cloveringold85 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

^^Thanks Penny and Clover and Bod for stepping up for me, I really appreciate that. This whole shit took me by surprise right now (The jokes) I think I'm going offline for now. I need I break right now.

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No problem. That kind of behavior is just uncalled for. This is supposed to be a discussion about Prince's death investigation.

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Sending you peace & hugs!

cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

What line is that, Clov? Are you injecting your thoughts into someting that does not exist?

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You don't make jokes about someone who is Autisic, okay? NOT COOL at all.

You believe that I was making a joke about his autism? You stir up shit that don't exist.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

I have no idea what the lipstick business site is, nor do I engage in finding out who writes what to whom. Therefore, that would make it an impossibility to aim anything at you. I am however, kindly reminded that poking fun with you, is not an option. So as to not run the risk of you perceiving that I would make fun of your condition, it won't happen again. Fair enough?

If you have no idea what it is, then why did you write about it on the previews page and drag my name into it while talking about Laura?

Its called a joke. You're going to have to get used to them outside the confines of the condition. We all know that you dont agree with anything Laura has to say so why would you elope with her? That was the point of the joke. If you didn't understand that, I hope you do now.

Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

If you have no idea what it is, then why did you write about it on the previews page and drag my name into it while talking about Laura?

Its called a joke. You're going to have to get used to them outside the confines of the condition. We all know that you dont agree with anything Laura has to say so why would you elope with her? That was the point of the joke. If you didn't understand that, I hope you do now.

Yes I get it now.

Menes said:

cloveringold85 said:

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You don't make jokes about someone who is Autisic, okay? NOT COOL at all.

You believe that I was making a joke about his autism? You stir up shit that don't exist.

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You said to WhiteDude:

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Remember words like" sarcasm"? Poking fun? They are alive and well. Try it sometime.

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It's like you and Pete were in cahoots and made WhiteDude feel uncomfortable.

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I don't want any issues and I don't want to derail this thread either..........

cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

You believe that I was making a joke about his autism? You stir up shit that don't exist.

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You said to WhiteDude:

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Remember words like" sarcasm"? Poking fun? They are alive and well. Try it sometime.

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It's like you and Pete were in cahoots and made WhiteDude feel uncomfortable.

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I don't want any issues and I don't want to derail this thread either..........

There was never an issue. I stated if he remembered words like "sarcasm" and "poking fun" because he said he doesnt get it when it happens and wanted to understand how to deal with them in my previous conversations with him. Stop poking your nose into things you dont know about and get you some business . You're stuck in one gear.

Menes said:

cloveringold85 said:

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You said to WhiteDude:

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Remember words like" sarcasm"? Poking fun? They are alive and well. Try it sometime.

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It's like you and Pete were in cahoots and made WhiteDude feel uncomfortable.

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I don't want any issues and I don't want to derail this thread either..........

There was never an issue. I stated if he remembered words like "sarcasm" and "poking fun" because he said he doesnt get it when it happens and wanted to understand how to deal with them in my previous conversations with him. Stop poking your nose into things you dont know about and get you some business . You're stuck in one gear.

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Obviously, you don't know anything about Autism, or you wouldn't have said what you said.

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I stand up for what is right and I have a voice, just like the next person.

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Poking my nose? Now.....you're trying to stir up more drama.

PeteSilas said:

XxAxX said:

this sounds like the argument that white people 'invented slavery', when it was present for thousands of year in africa before white man arrived.

similarly, many native american indians had major wars among the different tribes. so no, that was not 'eden', Pete. please stop sneaking in digs at whitey on this thread. PR is for making digs at whitey if you really have to.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/news-wires-white-papers-and-books/native-american-warfare-west-conflict-among-southwestern-indians

i know better than you, and i anticipated guilty reactions like that. No comparison to what the european brought here, we still haven't cleaned up the mess they made on us, i have to bar my family because I can't deal with fetal alcohol syndrome, alcoholism, laziness, irresponsibility, mental issues due to being kidnapped and adopted out, not my problem, i can only deal with my own small world. I can't fix what was done to these people. I can say that the older folks still had a lot of great stuff about them but they are gone now. If i can overcome my addiction to money, learn some new ways, i would seriously consider trying to live like they used to. I really would. I'm in the middle now and that's not a good place to be.

not even a hint of guilt here. PR please

jtfolden said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

XxAxX said: Also to this speculation, it was noted that his face was moist and the temp inside PP was 75 And those three having a secret app to hide what they were discussing [Edited 4/24/18 15:31pm]

People seem to be ignoring the fact that the Fire Chief seems to indicate it was much WARMER in the elevator itself. Also, his stomach was full of Fentanyl... this spray nonsense is just that.

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I was thinking about that too. They said it was very warm inside PP, and they asked to turn the thermostat down.

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Strange that it would be warmer inside the elevator. I did not notice any A/C/heat vents in there.

^ weird. the more i read these files the less i feel i 'know'. anyone else beset with even more questions now than before they read the files and transcripts?

XxAxX said:

^ weird. the more i read these files the less i feel i 'know'. anyone else beset with even more questions now than before they read the files and transcripts?

YES ...ME

jtfolden said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I always wondered was the elevator door opened or closed when Kirk(who was the first to find him) found him? if the door was closed did his body travel from a different floor before the elevator door opened up?

I'm sorry I've thought of EVERY single detail about this tragic scenerio.

Yeah, my mind has run through all the possible scenarios too. I assume it was closed or he would have been found much quicker. I also seem to believe it was stated it was closed when the first responder got there.

I assume Prince was moving up or down in the elevator at the time that he lost conciousness/vomited but if the door had been open he possibly could have stumbled / fell outward.

...and I wonder if he tried to stop the elevator. There is a place just to the right of the control pad that was "wet" when they first found him and you can see that whatever it was drained onto the floor. I don't know if it was drool or vomit but it was stated that saliva was coming from his mouth when found.

He could have laid there in the warmer elevator unconcious for a while, too (and sweat - thus why his face was moist), before he finally passed.

He had it so warm in there with the heater on and the space heater also. He must have been very anemic. They said his feet was facing the door when they opened it. So he may have tried to push the elevator button then vomited and fell to the floor.

I felt so much at peace seeing him laying there.He looked so peaceful like he was sleep. His skin was so smooth and radiate. Like he had not a worry in the world. He is definitely in a better place now pain free.

Lovejunky said:

XxAxX said:

^ weird. the more i read these files the less i feel i 'know'. anyone else beset with even more questions now than before they read the files and transcripts?

YES ...ME

it just doesn't add up

XxAxX said:

jtfolden said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I always wondered was the elevator door opened or closed when Kirk(who was the first to find him) found him? if the door was closed did his body travel from a different floor before the elevator door opened up?

I'm sorry I've thought of EVERY single detail about this tragic scenerio.

Yeah, my mind has run through all the possible scenarios too. I assume it was closed or he would have been found much quicker. I also seem to believe it was stated it was closed when the first responder got there.

I assume Prince was moving up or down in the elevator at the time that he lost conciousness/vomited but if the door had been open he possibly could have stumbled / fell outward.

...and I wonder if he tried to stop the elevator. There is a place just to the right of the control pad that was "wet" when they first found him and you can see that whatever it was drained onto the floor. I don't know if it was drool or vomit but it was stated that saliva was coming from his mouth when found.

He could have laid there in the warmer elevator unconcious for a while, too (and sweat - thus why his face was moist), before he finally passed.

The patch on the door looks like it came from projectile vomiting. IMO

jtfolden said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Hey White Dude...I got your back...everyone else? leave him alone...HE'S MINE!

Oh just stop it Bodhi, he's been mine for several months now.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

He had it so warm in there with the heater on and the space heater also. He must have been very anemic. They said his feet was facing the door when they opened it. So he may have tried to push the elevator button then vomited and fell to the floor.

I felt so much at peace seeing him laying there.He looked so peaceful like he was sleep. His skin was so smooth and radiate. Like he had not a worry in the world. He is definitely in a better place now pain free.

No he was not very anemic, it was mild.

Let's try to keep the facts, fact.

Here's the text from page 32 of investigation report where the detective describes a conversation with the medical examiner:

"On 05-23?2016 at about 0800 hours, I spoke to Doctor Strobel by telephone. She said she had the results of

the chemical analysis of the stomach fluids back for the lab. She said that the extremely high level of
fentanyl in the stomach contents left no doubt the drug was ingested orally by Prince in pill form."

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

jtfolden said:

People seem to be ignoring the fact that the Fire Chief seems to indicate it was much WARMER in the elevator itself. Also, his stomach was full of Fentanyl... this spray nonsense is just that.

Sorry if this has been posted but where did it say his stomach was full of fentanyl? I only remember it saying he had enough fentanyl to take out a few men larger than him

disch said:

the chemical analysis of the stomach fluids back for the lab. She said that the extremely high level of
fentanyl in the stomach contents left no doubt the drug was ingested orally by Prince in pill form."

XxAxX said:

Lovejunky said:

YES ...ME

it just doesn't add up

Damn it!

PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

He had it so warm in there with the heater on and the space heater also. He must have been very anemic. They said his feet was facing the door when they opened it. So he may have tried to push the elevator button then vomited and fell to the floor.

I felt so much at peace seeing him laying there.He looked so peaceful like he was sleep. His skin was so smooth and radiate. Like he had not a worry in the world. He is definitely in a better place now pain free.

No he was not very anemic, it was mild.

Let's try to keep the facts, fact.

Did U view his blood test results? I never said he was! I said he "MUST" of been.

I thought I replied to jtfolden?

cloveringold85 said:

XxAxX said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

These file's are very clear! Prince was in pain and got addicted to opiates. I know i wrote on here that someone close to prince's camp that he had cancer but tyat person was wrong, we now know the truth and we need to accept that truth and stop making up theories

The police investigation is a simplified slice of the truth, but it keeps his name clean, so I'm good with it. Not saying that he had anything else going on, but SOMEBODY close to him spread the lie that he was sick and not addicted to me when he was still alive. That person phukked up everything by doing that and it's a factor in why we lost him.

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funksterr said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

These file's are very clear! Prince was in pain and got addicted to opiates. I know i wrote on here that someone close to prince's camp that he had cancer but tyat person was wrong, we now know the truth and we need to accept that truth and stop making up theories

The police investigation is a simplified slice of the truth, but it keeps his name clean, so I'm good with it. Not saying that he had anything else going on, but SOMEBODY close to him spread the lie that he was sick and not addicted to me when he was still alive. That person phukked up everything by doing that and it's a factor in why we lost him.

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This is a heartbreaking piece of the puzzle: people would rather that he had a terminal illness than an addiction that could be treated. I'm NOT saying that addiction is not a terminal illness...but a recognition of his real problem would have opened up a vast array of options. Lies and smoke and mirrors left him with NO options except to get sicker and slip away.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PennyPurple said:

No he was not very anemic, it was mild.

Let's try to keep the facts, fact.

Did U view his blood test results? I never said he was! I said he "MUST" of been.

I thought I replied to jtfolden?

Doesn't make a difference who replied to.

I viewed the document that said he was only slightly anemic. How about you, did you review the documents?