ChocolateBox3121 said:

jtfolden said:

People seem to be ignoring the fact that the Fire Chief seems to indicate it was much WARMER in the elevator itself. Also, his stomach was full of Fentanyl... this spray nonsense is just that.

I always wondered was the elevator door opened or closed when Kirk(who was the first to find him) found him? if the door was closed did his body travel from a different floor before the elevator door opened up?

I'm sorry I've thought of EVERY single detail about this tragic scenerio.

Yeah, my mind has run through all the possible scenarios too. I assume it was closed or he would have been found much quicker. I also seem to believe it was stated it was closed when the first responder got there.

I assume Prince was moving up or down in the elevator at the time that he lost conciousness/vomited but if the door had been open he possibly could have stumbled / fell outward.

...and I wonder if he tried to stop the elevator. There is a place just to the right of the control pad that was "wet" when they first found him and you can see that whatever it was drained onto the floor. I don't know if it was drool or vomit but it was stated that saliva was coming from his mouth when found.

He could have laid there in the warmer elevator unconcious for a while, too (and sweat - thus why his face was moist), before he finally passed.

cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

Remember words like" sarcasm"? Poking fun? They are alive and well. Try it sometime.

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Yes, but you and Pete are coming across as very insensitive. WhiteDude already told us he is Autistic.

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It's just not nice. There is a line you just should not cross.

did we cross lines? did we go too far clover? are you autistic by chance?

cloveringold85 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

See my comment to Pete, I'm sorry but I don't get it when someone makes a joke, and it's not my fault tho.....I can't do it in real life, let alone on the internet where it's even harder for people like me......

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cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

Remember words like" sarcasm"? Poking fun? They are alive and well. Try it sometime.

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Yes, but you and Pete are coming across as very insensitive. WhiteDude already told us he is Autistic.

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It's just not nice. There is a line you just should not cross.

What line is that, Clov? Are you injecting your thoughts into someting that does not exist?

cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

Have you guys looked into postmortem drug concentrations in urine and blood for both hydrocodone and fentanyl?

What's the lethal amounts for hydrocodone? How does it interact with fentanyl? What are the excretion time frame for hyrdocodone in urine? For fentanyl in blood? How does the metabolic rate affect the time determined for usage/ detection? Why are these key factors important? Might just tell you an approximate time he took it and whether it was one pill or more... just saying.

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That's too much TMI for me!

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I think it only takes 2-3 grains of Fentanyl -- and Prince had way more than that in his system. He was only 109 LBS.

i thought he was 112 but i've only made it through fifty pages so far. skimmed the judith hill interview.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Honestly, I don't like to argue. You mentioning white people seemed like you were trying to stir the pot.

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I actually have Native American blood in my family.

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There are good doctors and bad doctors -- I don't see why you have to attach race to it.

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Do you think Conrad Murray was a good doctor?

conrad murray is a reaction to the ingrained distrust, I had to learn a lesson like that myself when i worked for an Indian who was worse than any white people i ever worked for. In truth, none of us can take any kind of moral highground anymore, we're too tainted, but where it started for us was our interaction with europeans, before that, we had a virtual eden here.

this sounds like the argument that white people 'invented slavery', when it was present for thousands of year in africa before white man arrived.

similarly, many native american indians had major wars among the different tribes. so no, that was not 'eden', Pete. please stop sneaking in digs at whitey on this thread. PR is for making digs at whitey if you really have to.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/news-wires-white-papers-and-books/native-american-warfare-west-conflict-among-southwestern-indians

ThatWhiteDude said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Come on now, be nice.

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Autism is nothing to joke about. Show a little respect.

Menes was nice about it at least, but Pete seems to be an a*hole for no reason....

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Pete doesn't like white people either. I don't judge people by their skin color -- I judge them by their character. But hey, that's just me.

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I try not to take these things personal, and neither should you, because it has more to do with the person who said it than anyone else.

Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

See my comment to Pete, I'm sorry but I don't get it when someone makes a joke, and it's not my fault tho.....I can't do it in real life, let alone on the internet where it's even harder for people like me......

How do you manage to understand so much of Prince's lyirics? Tons of sarcasm, symbolic and figurative language round them parts. Interesting.

It takes a while for me to understand certain things. It's not like I don't understand sarcasm at all, but the thing with your joke was that I did write on LSA one time and it seemed like a personal aim at me.

cloveringold85 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes was nice about it at least, but Pete seems to be an a*hole for no reason....

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Pete doesn't like white people either. I don't judge people by their skin color -- I judge them by their character. But hey, that's just me.

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I try not to take these things personal, and neither should you, because it has more to do with the person who said it than anyone else.

Thanks Clover. I'm going to ignore Pete from now.

cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

Word is she might be eloping with WhiteDude after making up on the lisptick site. I'm not sure of how much love she has left.

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Laura and WhiteDude!! No way!!

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WhiteDude is a cool guy.

TWD is a sweetheart, and he's waayy to cool for Laura.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, but you and Pete are coming across as very insensitive. WhiteDude already told us he is Autistic.

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It's just not nice. There is a line you just should not cross.

did we cross lines? did we go too far clover? are you autistic by chance?

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Yes, I think you did, and you know it. WhiteDude said he was autistic, so why are you trying to be funny about it?

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No, I'm not autistic, but you are racist, it seems. Very sad.

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Laura and WhiteDude!! No way!!

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WhiteDude is a cool guy.

TWD is a sweetheart, and he's waayy to cool for Laura.

Thank you Penny.

cloveringold85 said:

shednz said:

check out the last two photos of young Prince here http://prince.org/msg/7/420491 . They don't scream 1980s sobriety to me. Not sure exactly when these date - looks 1999 ish?

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I've seen those pics of him and he looked high on something. He would probably say his eyes were bloodshot from working late and being up all night.

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I did want to add -- There were no other illegal substances (coke/pot) in PP found....so, maybe all those rumors were all just bullshit too.

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Nothing really seemed suspicious around PP, other than the illicit pills.

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No sex dungeons either.

Clover, I thought we still really didn't know because the case files release were from MN, not the DEA. There still might be info we don't know about. Am I wrong? thanks, ~DD55

ThatWhiteDude said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Hey White Dude...I got your back...everyone else? leave him alone...HE'S MINE!

Menes said:

jtfolden said:

Ummm, because it was mere hours after he took it and he died?

Have you guys looked into postmortem drug concentrations in urine and blood for both hydrocodone and fentanyl?

What's the lethal amounts for hydrocodone? How does it interact with fentanyl? What are the excretion time frame for hyrdocodone in urine? For fentanyl in blood? How does the metabolic rate affect the time determined for usage/ detection? Why are these key factors important? Might just tell you an approximate time he took it and whether it was one pill or more... just saying.

Oh c'mon Menes just tell us.

XxAxX said:

PeteSilas said:

conrad murray is a reaction to the ingrained distrust, I had to learn a lesson like that myself when i worked for an Indian who was worse than any white people i ever worked for. In truth, none of us can take any kind of moral highground anymore, we're too tainted, but where it started for us was our interaction with europeans, before that, we had a virtual eden here.

this sounds like the argument that white people 'invented slavery', when it was present for thousands of year in africa before white man arrived.

similarly, many native american indians had major wars among the different tribes. so no, that was not 'eden', Pete. please stop sneaking in digs at whitey on this thread. PR is for making digs at whitey if you really have to.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/news-wires-white-papers-and-books/native-american-warfare-west-conflict-among-southwestern-indians

i know better than you, and i anticipated guilty reactions like that. No comparison to what the european brought here, we still haven't cleaned up the mess they made on us, i have to bar my family because I can't deal with fetal alcohol syndrome, alcoholism, laziness, irresponsibility, mental issues due to being kidnapped and adopted out, not my problem, i can only deal with my own small world. I can't fix what was done to these people. I can say that the older folks still had a lot of great stuff about them but they are gone now. If i can overcome my addiction to money, learn some new ways, i would seriously consider trying to live like they used to. I really would. I'm in the middle now and that's not a good place to be.

Pete is an aquired taste maybe, insightful and wicked funny. I know he doesn't love me but I him.

poppys said:

Pete is an aquired taste maybe, insightful and wicked funny. I know he doesn't love me but I him.

i love everybody. it's just that i don't trust nobody.

^^Thanks Penny and Clover and Bod for stepping up for me, I really appreciate that. This whole shit took me by surprise right now (The jokes) I think I'm going offline for now. I need I break right now.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

did we cross lines? did we go too far clover? are you autistic by chance?

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Yes, I think you did, and you know it. WhiteDude said he was autistic, so why are you trying to be funny about it?

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No, I'm not autistic, but you are racist, it seems. Very sad.

only white people have ever called me racist, everyone else says "you go boy".

PeteSilas said:

PennyPurple said:

They don't owe us anything, and we don't owe them either. That means my $$ sure in the heck aren't going to them. I think if us fans start showing them we aren't interested in anything they have to sell, maybe they'll have to find a new job that doesn't involve Prince. We need to cut the cord.

with the net, does anyone need to buy music anymore? People made Priscilla Presley rich by buying Elvis' shit even though they hated her, thing is, sometimes they give us something that we need. Priscilla made a documentary recently and although i haven't got hbo, i'll watch it as soon as possible.

No but we don't have to buy tickets to the lounge shows, or buy what they are hawking.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Hey White Dude...I got your back...everyone else? leave him alone...HE'S MINE!

Thank you <3

anyway, back on drugs, was it the docs that got him hooked post-surgery or did it go back further?

ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

How do you manage to understand so much of Prince's lyirics? Tons of sarcasm, symbolic and figurative language round them parts. Interesting.

It takes a while for me to understand certain things. It's not like I don't understand sarcasm at all, but the thing with your joke was that I did write on LSA one time and it seemed like a personal aim at me.

I have no idea what the lipstick business site is, nor do I engage in finding out who writes what to whom. Therefore, that would make it an impossibility to aim anything at you. I am however, kindly reminded that poking fun with you, is not an option. So as to not run the risk of you perceiving that I would make fun of your condition, it won't happen again. Fair enough?

PennyPurple said:

PeteSilas said:

with the net, does anyone need to buy music anymore? People made Priscilla Presley rich by buying Elvis' shit even though they hated her, thing is, sometimes they give us something that we need. Priscilla made a documentary recently and although i haven't got hbo, i'll watch it as soon as possible.

No but we don't have to buy tickets to the lounge shows, or buy what they are hawking.

if it's good enough people will consume, my prediction only.

Menes said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, but you and Pete are coming across as very insensitive. WhiteDude already told us he is Autistic.

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It's just not nice. There is a line you just should not cross.

What line is that, Clov? Are you injecting your thoughts into someting that does not exist?

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You don't make jokes about someone who is Autisic, okay? NOT COOL at all.

ThatWhiteDude said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Come on now, be nice.

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Autism is nothing to joke about. Show a little respect.

Menes was nice about it at least, but Pete seems to be an a*hole for no reason....

Agreed.

Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

It takes a while for me to understand certain things. It's not like I don't understand sarcasm at all, but the thing with your joke was that I did write on LSA one time and it seemed like a personal aim at me.

I have no idea what the lipstick business site is, nor do I engage in finding out who writes what to whom. Therefore, that would make it an impossibility to aim anything at you. I am however, kindly reminded that poking fun with you, is not an option. So as to not run the risk of you perceiving that I would make fun of your condition, it won't happen again. Fair enough?

lipstick alley is a not highly regarded website that discusses all kinds of shit about celebs, they have no class and no pretentions about having any, however, sometimes, like the vile tmz, they have some good true shit. eddie murphy had some wild/true sounding shit about him on it which rang true when a former gay lover came on the site, it's all gone now, probably because eddie made it go away.

ThatWhiteDude said:

^^Thanks Penny and Clover and Bod for stepping up for me, I really appreciate that. This whole shit took me by surprise right now (The jokes) I think I'm going offline for now. I need I break right now.

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No problem. That kind of behavior is just uncalled for. This is supposed to be a discussion about Prince's death investigation.

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Sending you peace & hugs!

Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

It takes a while for me to understand certain things. It's not like I don't understand sarcasm at all, but the thing with your joke was that I did write on LSA one time and it seemed like a personal aim at me.

I have no idea what the lipstick business site is, nor do I engage in finding out who writes what to whom. Therefore, that would make it an impossibility to aim anything at you. I am however, kindly reminded that poking fun with you, is not an option. So as to not run the risk of you perceiving that I would make fun of your condition, it won't happen again. Fair enough?

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