shednz said:

PeteSilas said:

show me some photos, there was a thread recently about Prince being od'd on cocaine around the time of 1999/vanity breakup, many people remembered it, i never heard that one myself. at any rate, I can tell you my expereince, I am too fat, recently i took a prescribed pill to curb my appetite, it caused euphoria I liked it too much and told the doc I didn't want it. I gained back the 20 pounds I lost, but, i always thought prince would be like that, i guess i was wrong. Eddie Murphy once claimed his fascination with elvis was that he looked to be in total control and that he was totally out of control. Maybe it was like that for prince, it was certainly like that for Bruce Lee another of my heroes so I've seen it all. Strong people, all I can say is that that realm of fame is crushing. Prince did it longer than many of them.

Those photos were on here (or linked from here) somewhere. I found them back in 2016 when I was reading here after he passed. There was a person posting (I can't remember the name) who seemed very close to the whole thing and spoke about Prince feeling terrible guilt around Vanity and the drugs he and her were involved with. Wish I could find and reread these in light of the investigation files.

I speculated on that, myself, but i don't remember anyone who was actually there with firsthand knowledge. I could see it though. Also, his other girlfriend (his first?) kim upsher died a few mos before that.

PennyPurple said:

XxAxX said:

does anyone else find it creepy that Mani came right to Paisley Park when she heard that Prince had passed? remember, this is the person who has made not so nice comments about him since their divorce.

exactly how long did it take her to travel there? did Prince ever change the locks after she was ejected from his life? maybe it's just me but i find her continued presence and commentary about inside knowledge disturbing. she stands to benefit from his demise, and immediately took steps to file for the trademark mere days after his passing. pure speculation on my part, but still...

As fast as she filed for the trademark, she must've done it in the air on the way to PP.

I don't know why she would think she was welcome.

ikr? creepy much?

cloveringold85 said:

poppys said:

Pete

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I think Laura worked her magic on him, LOL

laura was so sexy and entrancing, i asked her once to send me a pic so i could see if she looked normal. I loved her though.

cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

By the sound of it, he had lot's of vitamins.

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They do make a Mens 50+ Multivitamin. You wouldn't think that Men can be anemic, but it happens.

a good multi should have done the trick unless the drugs were doing something. I know that when i had ulcers, my buddy said i looked sick but I was probably never in better phsical condition outside of that.

XxAxX said:

Yes, very creepy.

I recall a conversation I had w/a fellow orger in which Mani was discussed. My theory on Mani was that her years long obsession w/the "performer", Prince, clouded her view of the Man. She fell in love w/the persona but, unbeknownst to her, she married the Man. Then, shit became real and she bailed because, after all, Prince was a mere mortal w/all the human failings we each possess.

Prince, the Man, was rejected and let down time and time again.

NotACleverName said:

XxAxX said:

does anyone else find it creepy that Mani came right to Paisley Park when she heard that Prince had passed? remember, this is the person who has made not so nice comments about him since their divorce. exactly how long did it take her to travel there? did Prince ever change the locks after she was ejected from his life? maybe it's just me but i find her continued presence and commentary about inside knowledge disturbing. she stands to benefit from his demise, and immediately took steps to file for the trademark mere days after his passing. pure speculation on my part, but still...

Yes, very creepy. I recall a conversation I had w/a fellow orger in which Mani was discussed. My theory on Mani was that her years long obsession w/the "performer", Prince, clouded her view of the Man. She fell in love w/the persona but, unbeknownst to her, she married the Man. Then, shit became real and she bailed because, after all, Prince was a mere mortal w/all the human failings we each possess. Prince, the Man, was rejected and let down time and time again.

what do we know? all i know is it baffles my mind how these guys are so stupid as to think that any of "these folks" (as prince once described the people around him in a definitive tone of distrust) around them actually give a shit about them. Prince knew, he said to neal karlen that he knew none of them would be around if he wasn't who he was, he knew, he always knew. Sex appeal though, as laura has taught me, can be a powerful thing

NotACleverName said:

Yes. Good point about Prince the persona and Prince the man. And to be fair, my guess is Prince, the man, did some rejecting and letting people down of his own as well.
[Edited 4/24/18 14:29pm]

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Another avenue worth thinking about. This may sound a major conspiracy theory but just think what a logical and easy way it would be to kill someone with no suspicion.

A WB agent (or a hired hand working on their behalf) approaches Kirk, Meron or Phaedra or all 3 and gives them a massive bribe to provide inside information. They then explain his pill problem and where he keeps them along with information on the lack of a registered will (or explain where the will is and remove it) etc.

The WB agent now knowing there are no security cameras at PP enters (or instead pays one of the three to do it) and then ensures that the pills are replaced with ones laced with fentanyl knowing it would cause a massive overdose. P takes them late at night, is found dead next morning, this goes along with the narrative of a rock star hooked on drugs (and staff will confirm he had taken pain pills for years despite those ones being relatively harmless) and no-one would think any the wiser.

Kirk, Meron, Phaedra keep quiet as instructed, delete any evidence of collaboration with the agent, receive their money and disappear into the sunset (perhaps in a few years to be found dead themselves in suspicious circumstances).

[Edited 4/24/18 11:29am]

forgive me but the same type of speculation has been plaguing me as well. just the fact that fentanyl can be administered in spray form bothers me https://www.drugs.com/cdi...spray.html

poppys said:

shednz said:

hmmm, tried that and the search forums function on the home page. No luck. Does it work for others?

Try prizefight . I thought something didn't look right.

thanks!

lion88 said:

To be honest after 2 years personally I’m getting a bit tired and annoyed to read about the investigation and the possible conspiracies

For me the information we got last week that there will be no murder charges and the published detailed documents and photo’s ultimately gave me some closure and it makes it possible for me to look forward and move on.

It is something I did not expect at all, but it happened. I now want to focus mainly on the talent and music of Prince instead of reading negative news about his drugs use and conspiracies about his death and reasons why he died.

His music is what he would like to be remembered about. We are not getting him back unfortunately, which is sad and still very, very hard to cope with.But his spirit is still there in his music to give us energy and joy.

I respect every ones opinion and where they are right now, but I wanted to share how I feel at the moment.

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I understand. These past 2-years haven't been easy for any of us.

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Prince's music is his legacy & will always be cherished.

PeteSilas said:

bondno9 said:

shednz said: If it doesn’t stay long then why did tox screen from 4/21 show itin his blood?

because they wanted to see what they could find. He wouldn't tell them shit would he. can't blame the man, i'm an indian and I have a real hard time trusting white people period especially authority figures. that's something that we blacks/indians have to look at.

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Native Americans aren't black. Whatchutalkinbout??

kmama07 said:

I would agree with that.

uh, i guess some of us have different ideas about "worth thinking about." And the ME reported that his stomach was full of fentanyl, so he definitely swallpwed it.

XxAxX said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Another avenue worth thinking about. This may sound a major conspiracy theory but just think what a logical and easy way it would be to kill someone with no suspicion.

A WB agent (or a hired hand working on their behalf) approaches Kirk, Meron or Phaedra or all 3 and gives them a massive bribe to provide inside information. They then explain his pill problem and where he keeps them along with information on the lack of a registered will (or explain where the will is and remove it) etc.

The WB agent now knowing there are no security cameras at PP enters (or instead pays one of the three to do it) and then ensures that the pills are replaced with ones laced with fentanyl knowing it would cause a massive overdose. P takes them late at night, is found dead next morning, this goes along with the narrative of a rock star hooked on drugs (and staff will confirm he had taken pain pills for years despite those ones being relatively harmless) and no-one would think any the wiser.

Kirk, Meron, Phaedra keep quiet as instructed, delete any evidence of collaboration with the agent, receive their money and disappear into the sunset (perhaps in a few years to be found dead themselves in suspicious circumstances).

[Edited 4/24/18 11:29am]

forgive me but the same type of speculation has been plaguing me as well. just the fact that fentanyl can be administered in spray form bothers me https://www.drugs.com/cdi...spray.html

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Just a select few here that don't want to admit that some of us here were right all along. Must be an ego thing or people who are trying to save face now.

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Funny, as in the odd behaviors of some orgers.

no, i said i was open all along, i'm still here, i've said it's possible he was a junkie all along, i've been consistent as have you, i just was waiting, and I think it'll all come back around. I still thought the blind gossip thing was coincidental, but.., like i said, rumours can get started and someone in his inner circle probably thought he had aids, and then the crazy religious shit, well.., that sounds like the man.

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Prince was a junkie? A junkie to me, is some homeless person, shooting up drugs on the street. I don't see it that way -- Prince was in pain and wanted relief from that pain, although he thought he could cure himself.

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After 2-years, it's finally come out that we were all being fed a bunch of bullshit. And that hurts, especially with it coming from those who worked closely with him, and yet they lied for 2-years.

bondno9 said:

shednz said:

Fentanyl doesn't stay in the sytem for blood and urine tests for very long at all. SO, if he didn't have anymore fentanyl the day before he went to Schulenberg it wouldn't have shown with the tests Schulenberg took. The lack of fentanyl in his system from those tests shows nothing about his pattern of fentanyl use.

If it doesn’t stay long then why did tox screen from 4/21 show itin his blood?

Because he took fentanyl that night. That was the finisher.

NotACleverName said:

shednz said:

hmmm, tried that and the search forums function on the home page. No luck. Does it work for others?

Here you go, shednz - https://cse.google.com/cs...gsc.page=1 - search results. This link - http://forum.prince.org/m...&pg=39 - should take you to pg 39, reply #1144 (scroll down as there are more - #1152 & #1157 if I am remembering correctly) of part 3 of the death investigation thread. Btw...when you search "prizefight", the results include threads the member posted in but does not display only "prizefight". The thread result reveals that poster participated in that thread. Hope that helps!

Cheers!

cloveringold85 said:

I hear what you're saying Clover.
I, too, feel duped in a way. Fed the bullshit lies, the persona verses reality (of both Prince and his Underlings). It's a drag, but I guess the bottom line is no one in that camp really owes us shit. Plus, no one (including him) in the underlings circle seems to have gone out of their way to REALLY step up in the situation (and not worry about personal/financial repercussions) to help him...if they didn't feel they owed HIM at least that much, I don't expect jack or shit for us fans.

Also on the junkie remark...
As crude as it sounds...
A drunk is a drunk
Anjunkie is a junkie

Whether they are on the street or running a corporation.
It sucks, but bottom line, it's the same addiction either way. The choice of verbiage can sound harsh, but that's what it is.
Not trying to be a dick...At all!
(I'm a recovering drunk...was never on the street, and because I was never on the street certainly doesn't make me better than a drunk who is...that's all I'm saying) ❤️❤️
[Edited 4/24/18 14:53pm]

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

no, i said i was open all along, i'm still here, i've said it's possible he was a junkie all along, i've been consistent as have you, i just was waiting, and I think it'll all come back around. I still thought the blind gossip thing was coincidental, but.., like i said, rumours can get started and someone in his inner circle probably thought he had aids, and then the crazy religious shit, well.., that sounds like the man.

.Prince was a junkie? A junkie to me, is some homeless person, shooting up drugs on the street. I don't see it that way -- Prince was in pain and wanted relief from that pain, although he thought he could cure himself.

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After 2-years, it's finally come out that we were all being fed a bunch of bullshit. And that hurts, especially with it coming from those who worked closely with him, and yet they lied for 2-years.

Sorry, the WORST junkie I ever met was a rich physician who had every advantage in life,a spoiled trust funder who had everything handed to him, grew up in Beverly Hills, was a mega-Prince fan, had every material toy you could ever want, perfectly tailored, perfect teeth...perfectly evil.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

cloveringold85 said:

.Prince was a junkie? A junkie to me, is some homeless person, shooting up drugs on the street. I don't see it that way -- Prince was in pain and wanted relief from that pain, although he thought he could cure himself.

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After 2-years, it's finally come out that we were all being fed a bunch of bullshit. And that hurts, especially with it coming from those who worked closely with him, and yet they lied for 2-years.

Sorry, the WORST junkie I ever met was a rich physician who had every advantage in life,a spoiled trust funder who had everything handed to him, grew up in Beverly Hills, was a mega-Prince fan, had every material toy you could ever want, perfectly tailored, perfect teeth...perfectly evil.

Exactly, you don't have to live on the streets to be a junkie.

PeteSilas said:

shednz said:

Those photos were on here (or linked from here) somewhere. I found them back in 2016 when I was reading here after he passed. There was a person posting (I can't remember the name) who seemed very close to the whole thing and spoke about Prince feeling terrible guilt around Vanity and the drugs he and her were involved with. Wish I could find and reread these in light of the investigation files.

I speculated on that, myself, but i don't remember anyone who was actually there with firsthand knowledge. I could see it though. Also, his other girlfriend (his first?) kim upsher died a few mos before that.

check out the last two photos of young Prince here http://prince.org/msg/7/420491 . They don't scream 1980s sobriety to me. Not sure exactly when these date - looks 1999 ish?

disch said:

uh, i guess some of us have different ideas about "worth thinking about." And the ME reported that his stomach was full of fentanyl, so he definitely swallpwed it.

XxAxX said:

forgive me but the same type of speculation has been plaguing me as well. just the fact that fentanyl can be administered in spray form bothers me https://www.drugs.com/cdi...spray.html

let me clarify: fentanyl appears to be easily obtained and comes in a number of forms to choose from. i've never visited the 'dark web' but i'm curious about how easily someone can obtain this dangerous drug there

kmama07 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince was a junkie? A junkie to me, is some homeless person, shooting up drugs on the street. I don't see it that way -- Prince was in pain and wanted relief from that pain, although he thought he could cure himself.

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After 2-years, it's finally come out that we were all being fed a bunch of bullshit. And that hurts, especially with it coming from those who worked closely with him, and yet they lied for 2-years.

I hear what you're saying Clover. I, too, feel duped in a way. Fed the bullshit lies, the persona verses reality (of both Prince and his Underlings). It's a drag, but I guess the bottom line is no one in that camp really owes us shit. Plus, no one (including him) in the underlings circle seems to have gone out of their way to REALLY step up in the situation (and not worry about personal/financial repercussions) to help him...if they didn't feel they owed HIM at least that much, I don't expect jack or shit for us fans. Also on the junkie remark... As crude as it sounds... A drunk is a drunk Anjunkie is a junkie Whether they are on the street or running a corporation. It sucks, but bottom line, it's the same addiction either way. The choice of verbiage can sound harsh, but that's what it is. Not trying to be a dick...At all! (I'm a recovering drunk...was never on the street, and because I was never on the street certainly doesn't make me better than a drunk who is...that's all I'm saying) ❤️❤️ [Edited 4/24/18 14:53pm]

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No problem!

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No one owes us anything; that is true. They are the one's who have to face themselves in the mirror every morning. You reap what you sow.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I think Laura worked her magic on him, LOL

laura was so sexy and entrancing, i asked her once to send me a pic so i could see if she looked normal. I loved her though.

Pete, when is your first session?

ChocolateBox3121 said:

As someone asked before, why do you keep posting this?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

cloveringold85 said:

.Prince was a junkie? A junkie to me, is some homeless person, shooting up drugs on the street. I don't see it that way -- Prince was in pain and wanted relief from that pain, although he thought he could cure himself.

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After 2-years, it's finally come out that we were all being fed a bunch of bullshit. And that hurts, especially with it coming from those who worked closely with him, and yet they lied for 2-years.

Sorry, the WORST junkie I ever met was a rich physician who had every advantage in life,a spoiled trust funder who had everything handed to him, grew up in Beverly Hills, was a mega-Prince fan, had every material toy you could ever want, perfectly tailored, perfect teeth...perfectly evil..

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Gotcha!

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Do you think Prince still would have been a junkie, if he never had hip or back pain?

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Do you think his drug use was genetics (Tyka had addictions too).????

cloveringold85 said:

I'd like to think he initially started using for legit reasons and it just got the better of him. Pride stood in the way, thought he could handle it, and it ultimately handled him.

Sorry clover, just realized that question wasn't directed towards me.

Menes said:

PeteSilas said:

laura was so sexy and entrancing, i asked her once to send me a pic so i could see if she looked normal. I loved her though.

Pete, when is your first session?

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I can never tell if Pete is really serious or just jerking our chain!

kmama07 said:

Sorry clover, just realized that question wasn't directed towards me.

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It's okay -- I appreciate what other's think, and I agree with what you said.