We know a lot more of what happened given the 214 page document that anyone can access and read (well, maybe not everyone). However, we really "know" only a bit of the puzzle. Prince was great at compartmentalizing his life so that no one knew everything.

btw: For people expressing Tyka complicity (or pleasure/relief in her brother's passing) - two sources (her son and Theo) both indicated that Tyka would have to contact the gatekeeper (KJ or Theo) if she wanted to speak to Prince. How would anyone feel if their sibling made them request an appointment to speak to them? Please don't judge family dynamics ... I mean really, what would you do? Multiple people have said that Prince pushed them away because they knew him too well and they would have known something was wrong. [Snip - luv4u]

Also - did anyone else notice that paperwork was found documenting the hip surgery in Texas (NOT at Mayo Clinic as reported orally by interviewees)? Possibly two surgeries for hip?

Sorry no page number cites - I skimmed the document on my tablet - not so easy to save and cite info.

Also - I wish Laura was still posting here. I was a long time lurker, even prior to 2016, but have rarely posted due to the contentious nature of discussions here.

Funny how some people who complain about bullying behavior are so quick to join in and bully and make fun of others.

Let the insults begin!!

What in the world??? So KJ "accidently" sends a photo of some "stairs" to Dr. S at what looks like 9:38 pm and then at 11:12 pm sends another text saying "sorry for that photo. please fax those charts to Mr. Howard Kornfeld SO ..."

Text from Dr. S to KJ on 4/20 about Phaedra

Strawberrylova123 said:

These file's are very clear! Prince was in pain and got addicted to opiates. I know i wrote on here that someone close to prince's camp that he had cancer but tyat person was wrong, we now know the truth and we need to accept that truth and stop making up theories

i'm just curious: why would Prince need a presciption for painkillers from Dr. Schulenberg in Kirk's name when Paisley Park was apparently littered with various types of painkillers? why didn't Prince just take whatever he had on hand?

bondno9 said:

Text from Dr. S to KJ on 4/20 about Phaedra

Sorry I didn't read all the documents. Did they say where these stairs are? PP? Kirks? thanks, DD55

PennyPurple said:

jtfolden said:

Yeah, my mind has run through all the possible scenarios too. I assume it was closed or he would have been found much quicker. I also seem to believe it was stated it was closed when the first responder got there.

I assume Prince was moving up or down in the elevator at the time that he lost conciousness/vomited but if the door had been open he possibly could have stumbled / fell outward.

...and I wonder if he tried to stop the elevator. There is a place just to the right of the control pad that was "wet" when they first found him and you can see that whatever it was drained onto the floor. I don't know if it was drool or vomit but it was stated that saliva was coming from his mouth when found.

He could have laid there in the warmer elevator unconcious for a while, too (and sweat - thus why his face was moist), before he finally passed.

The patch on the door looks like it came from projectile vomiting. IMO

It had to be vomit and they probably were able to analyze what was in this throat at the scene. Remember back to the day the announcement was made, where they held a press conference telling us he had passed, the sheriff (I think) made the statement ‘he had drugs on him when he died’ and then there was this fire storm on he org about P not having pants with pockets. Well as it turns out he indeed was not carrying any drugs, so how were they so certain it was drugs within minutes the day he died? Especially to say 'he had drugs on him', what did that mean? Hopefully I’m not remembering that wrong. ~DD55

XxAxX said:

i'm just curious: why would Prince need a presciption for painkillers from Dr. Schulenberg in Kirk's name when Paisley Park was apparently littered with various types of painkillers? why didn't Prince just take whatever he had on hand?

Unfortunately, he did take what he had on hand.

Thus the emergency landing in Illinois, and then again on April 21st.

The script he got from Dr. S wasnt strong enough? Or he was combining them?

XxAxX said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

These file's are very clear! Prince was in pain and got addicted to opiates. I know i wrote on here that someone close to prince's camp that he had cancer but tyat person was wrong, we now know the truth and we need to accept that truth and stop making up theories

i'm just curious: why would Prince need a presciption for painkillers from Dr. Schulenberg in Kirk's name when Paisley Park was apparently littered with various types of painkillers? why didn't Prince just take whatever he had on hand?

EXACTLY!!!!! And why the hell did Kirk feel the need to remove those pills from Dr. S. but left ALL the rest?????

DD55 said:

It had to be vomit and they probably were able to analyze what was in this throat at the scene. Remember back to the day the announcement was made, where they held a press conference telling us he had passed, the sheriff (I think) made the statement ‘he had drugs on him when he died’ and then there was this fire storm on he org about P not having pants with pockets. Well as it turns out he indeed was not carrying any drugs, so how were they so certain it was drugs within minutes the day he died? Especially to say 'he had drugs on him', what did that mean? Hopefully I’m not remembering that wrong. ~DD55

I dont think the Sheriff said this ^^ I think it was the news saying this, and the information came from anonymous sources.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

XxAxX said:

i'm just curious: why would Prince need a presciption for painkillers from Dr. Schulenberg in Kirk's name when Paisley Park was apparently littered with various types of painkillers? why didn't Prince just take whatever he had on hand?

EXACTLY!!!!! And why the hell did Kirk feel the need to remove those pills from Dr. S. but left ALL the rest?????

Leave what pills?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

EXACTLY!!!!! And why the hell did Kirk feel the need to remove those pills from Dr. S. but left ALL the rest?????

Leave what pills?

The pills Prince supposedly took and the ones the police found in various locations of PP after Prince died.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Leave what pills?

The pills Prince supposedly took and the ones the police found in various locations of PP after Prince died.

Kirk cleaned the common areas as the investigative report states...

I dont think any employees/associates were permitted in his private living area unless invited.

Honestly, at this point in time we know nothing about Prince's health conditions. Generally, it takes rounds of blood work and other tests to diagnose serious health conditions. A routine CBC will not necessarily point out any cancer. Multiple doctors missed ovarian cancer until I went to the ER ... the only bloodwork tell over multiple years would have been elevated platelets and most doctors would miss that - and did miss that.

We do know that he had blood pressure meds (lisonopril ?) that were prescribed under one of the bodyguard's name (Shaun?). Prince was reported by Dr S to have had high blood pressure.

This at least suggests that Prince was trying to take care of health issues, but not under the eye of someone who would know "all" about his current conditions.

Compartmentalizing. It's what Prince did and, therefore, no one can dismiss the possibility of other underlying health conditions. The full details have not been, and possibly never will be, revealed.

Could someone please help me with this one question I have? If the police/ detectives searching Prince's compound found money, pills in bottles or loose in Kleenex or bed sheets, how can His personal assistant,his bodygaurd/ best friend (Kirk) or even cleaning or maid staff not "see or know " what was happening??I'm sorry but just looking at the evidence photos it didn't look very " hidden" to me, especially if you are in his inner circle and had access to the whole building.And why do the police except that answer from them that they we're unaware?

it's not really a question that we here can answer -- why kirk didn't know (or said he didn't know). The pills were all found in Prince's private living quarters and were mostly in mislabeled bottles, so it's possible, I guess, that people just didn't see. Or maybe they did and they aren't being honest with the police.

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I don't know about cleaning staff; there wasn't a cleaning person interview included in the docs.

Ellie77 said:

Could someone please help me with this one question I have? If the police/ detectives searching Prince's compound found money, pills in bottles or loose in Kleenex or bed sheets, how can His personal assistant,his bodygaurd/ best friend (Kirk) or even cleaning or maid staff not "see or know " what was happening??I'm sorry but just looking at the evidence photos it didn't look very " hidden" to me, especially if you are in his inner circle and had access to the whole building.And why do the police except that answer from them that they we're unaware?

If he had health conditions, he doesn't appear to be any doctor's care for them and wasn't getting any treatment for them other than tingling in his limbs and (to judith) hand pain. In his discussions with Dr S, he didn't mention any health problems. The autopsy would likely have uncovered a cancer or similar but nothing was mentioned in the short report or in the investigation docs that referenced a finding like that.

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hope you're doing well since your cancer diagnosis!

MiPans said:

Honestly, at this point in time we know nothing about Prince's health conditions. Generally, it takes rounds of blood work and other tests to diagnose serious health conditions. A routine CBC will not necessarily point out any cancer. Multiple doctors missed ovarian cancer until I went to the ER ... the only bloodwork tell over multiple years would have been elevated platelets and most doctors would miss that - and did miss that.

We do know that he had blood pressure meds (lisonopril ?) that were prescribed under one of the bodyguard's name (Shaun?). Prince was reported by Dr S to have had high blood pressure.

This at least suggests that Prince was trying to take care of health issues, but not under the eye of someone who would know "all" about his current conditions.

Compartmentalizing. It's what Prince did and, therefore, no one can dismiss the possibility of other underlying health conditions. The full details have not been, and possibly never will be, revealed.

[Edited 4/24/18 20:40pm]

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

XxAxX said:

i'm just curious: why would Prince need a presciption for painkillers from Dr. Schulenberg in Kirk's name when Paisley Park was apparently littered with various types of painkillers? why didn't Prince just take whatever he had on hand?

EXACTLY!!!!! And why the hell did Kirk feel the need to remove those pills from Dr. S. but left ALL the rest?????

i might have missed it but i do not see any evidence at all that the pill bottles were fingerprinted. it looks like the investigators just asumed that the pills all belonged to Prince. even if Prince was known to use pills, that part of the investigation feels a little sloppy to me.

MiPans said:

Honestly, at this point in time we know nothing about Prince's health conditions. Generally, it takes rounds of blood work and other tests to diagnose serious health conditions. A routine CBC will not necessarily point out any cancer. Multiple doctors missed ovarian cancer until I went to the ER ... the only bloodwork tell over multiple years would have been elevated platelets and most doctors would miss that - and did miss that.

We do know that he had blood pressure meds (lisonopril ?) that were prescribed under one of the bodyguard's name (Shaun?). Prince was reported by Dr S to have had high blood pressure.

This at least suggests that Prince was trying to take care of health issues, but not under the eye of someone who would know "all" about his current conditions.

Compartmentalizing. It's what Prince did and, therefore, no one can dismiss the possibility of other underlying health conditions. The full details have not been, and possibly never will be, revealed.

Could you please show me where it was reported that Prince had high blood pressure and was being treated for it. There were no health issues other then mild anemia. If he had cancer or anything else, he would've had to go to the Dr to find that out. He didn't go to Drs.

Stop trying to change the narrative to cancer again, because that's BS.

Ellie77 said:

Could someone please help me with this one question I have? If the police/ detectives searching Prince's compound found money, pills in bottles or loose in Kleenex or bed sheets, how can His personal assistant,his bodygaurd/ best friend (Kirk) or even cleaning or maid staff not "see or know " what was happening??I'm sorry but just looking at the evidence photos it didn't look very " hidden" to me, especially if you are in his inner circle and had access to the whole building.And why do the police except that answer from them that they we're unaware?

right. moreover, the pill bottles were simply placed on top of everything else in Prince's bags. out in plain sight in his bags and on shelves around the park.

one would think they'd have been hidden better by Prince? i guess it's possible that the photos were taken after someone had rummaged around in his bag, but the photos should have been an accurate reflection of where, exactly, they were found

XxAxX said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

EXACTLY!!!!! And why the hell did Kirk feel the need to remove those pills from Dr. S. but left ALL the rest?????

i might have missed it but i do not see any evidence at all that the pill bottles were fingerprinted. it looks like the investigators just asumed that the pills all belonged to Prince. even if Prince was known to use pills, that part of the investigation feels a little sloppy to me.

You would think that by the sheer magnitude of Prince's hometown celebrity status, that no i would have gone undotted and no t uncrossed.

XxAxX said:

i might have missed it but i do not see any evidence at all that the pill bottles were fingerprinted. it looks like the investigators just asumed that the pills all belonged to Prince. even if Prince was known to use pills, that part of the investigation feels a little sloppy to me.

They failed to take Ps fingerprints. What??

However, they did DNA on the bottles and P was the main DNA on the Bayer, and Aleve bottles.

Thanks - I am fortunate and am doing very well. I am grateful every day.

I wonder about Prince having blood pressure meds in PPark. I think it very possible that he was self-treating for at least some conditions. His blood presssure was high, as was reported in the NYT accessible documents. It does make some sense to conclude that he may have been treating this condition by having others obtain meds for him, as these meds are not typically controlled medications. Why have them around? Blood pressure med are known for their nasty side effects. I would be interested in finding out the dates medications were prescribed.

Again, he could have had an underlying medical condition that was not disclosed. After all, he indicated to Dr. S that he was having difficulties because he took TYLENOL. Some may argue that he was being up front bc he indicated wisdom tooth removal, but that is just part of the compartmentalization. I will tell you about my wisdom tooth (therefore I am sharing information and being up front with you), so you will be more likely to believe me when I tell you I am trying to stop taking tylenol and the soup was bad.

Just saying - and as a person who has dx for both cancer and lyme disease (missed for 20 years) - it makes sense to me on some level to be distrustful. I thought I was going to the ER for diverticulitis and wound up losing most of my lady parts and a 12 pound tumor.

Prince was not exactly a trusting sort, and he seems to have a well developed capacity for rationalizing. In listening to interviews from associates, I am thinking that this is one of the more endearing aspects of his personality. People knew he was not quite on spot with his reasoning, so they wanted to protect him?

funksterr said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

These file's are very clear! Prince was in pain and got addicted to opiates. I know i wrote on here that someone close to prince's camp that he had cancer but tyat person was wrong, we now know the truth and we need to accept that truth and stop making up theories

The police investigation is a simplified slice of the truth, but it keeps his name clean, so I'm good with it. Not saying that he had anything else going on, but SOMEBODY close to him spread the lie that he was sick and not addicted to me when he was still alive. That person phukked up everything by doing that and it's a factor in why we lost him.

[Edited 4/24/18 18:45pm]

[Edited 4/24/18 18:45pm]

huh? how did they fuck it up, did prince get wind of the aids stories and try to get even more secretive? what? and who was the person in his circle, no names asked, but is it the same who went to blind gossip with the aids story?

funksterr said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

These file's are very clear! Prince was in pain and got addicted to opiates. I know i wrote on here that someone close to prince's camp that he had cancer but tyat person was wrong, we now know the truth and we need to accept that truth and stop making up theories

The police investigation is a simplified slice of the truth, but it keeps his name clean, so I'm good with it. Not saying that he had anything else going on, but SOMEBODY close to him spread the lie that he was sick and not addicted to me when he was still alive. That person phukked up everything by doing that and it's a factor in why we lost him.

[Edited 4/24/18 18:45pm]

[Edited 4/24/18 18:45pm]

and see? enough of this kind of shit to keep the mystery alive. now i have to find out who the hell sasha1 was , i don't recall her.

funksterr said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

These file's are very clear! Prince was in pain and got addicted to opiates. I know i wrote on here that someone close to prince's camp that he had cancer but tyat person was wrong, we now know the truth and we need to accept that truth and stop making up theories

The police investigation is a simplified slice of the truth, but it keeps his name clean, so I'm good with it. Not saying that he had anything else going on, but SOMEBODY close to him spread the lie that he was sick and not addicted to me when he was still alive. That person phukked up everything by doing that and it's a factor in why we lost him.

[Edited 4/24/18 18:45pm]

[Edited 4/24/18 18:45pm]

also, i have wondered if he was terminal that he would never allow himself to die in a hospital, he'd take himself out first, that's been what i've said since the start. that it had to be aids if he would rather be remembered as a drug addict than an aids patient.

PennyPurple said:

MiPans said:

Honestly, at this point in time we know nothing about Prince's health conditions. Generally, it takes rounds of blood work and other tests to diagnose serious health conditions. A routine CBC will not necessarily point out any cancer. Multiple doctors missed ovarian cancer until I went to the ER ... the only bloodwork tell over multiple years would have been elevated platelets and most doctors would miss that - and did miss that.

We do know that he had blood pressure meds (lisonopril ?) that were prescribed under one of the bodyguard's name (Shaun?). Prince was reported by Dr S to have had high blood pressure.

This at least suggests that Prince was trying to take care of health issues, but not under the eye of someone who would know "all" about his current conditions.

Compartmentalizing. It's what Prince did and, therefore, no one can dismiss the possibility of other underlying health conditions. The full details have not been, and possibly never will be, revealed.

Could you please show me where it was reported that Prince had high blood pressure and was being treated for it. There were no health issues other then mild anemia. If he had cancer or anything else, he would've had to go to the Dr to find that out. He didn't go to Drs.

Stop trying to change the narrative to cancer again, because that's BS.

The NYT documents indicate that Prince's blood pressure was high, when taken at Dr. S's office. I cannot quote the exact page, but it is in the reports. I believe the systolic was close to 160 (maybe around 158?) and the diastolic was maybe low. However, the systolic was certainly high. I am not at all saying that Prince had cancer, there is no evidence for that in the documents released. However, there is also no information in the documents to disprove an underlying health issue, including cancer. How do you prove something does not exist, when scientists indicate that we all have our DNA breaking down with most people having cells running amok. Edit: the documents also state from multiple sources that Prince had doctors in MN that he routinely saw and even had flown out to concerts. However, none of the interviewees could remember the doctors' names (yes, that is plural doctors who were referenced in the NYT documents.)

[Edited 4/24/18 21:31pm]

laura could take it with the best of them, that's why i loved her and she didn't hold it against you, i'd flat insult her and she'd be cool. My first real response directly to laura was about 10 years ago when i was criticizing Prince over something, forget exactly what, but I said to her "laura, your amazing, i knew you'd pop up on me, Prince could piss right on my head and you'd defend him" "well, you shouldn't have been in the way of the piss".

MiPans said:

We know a lot more of what happened given the 214 page document that anyone can access and read (well, maybe not everyone). However, we really "know" only a bit of the puzzle. Prince was great at compartmentalizing his life so that no one knew everything.

btw: For people expressing Tyka complicity (or pleasure/relief in her brother's passing) - two sources (her son and Theo) both indicated that Tyka would have to contact the gatekeeper (KJ or Theo) if she wanted to speak to Prince. How would anyone feel if their sibling made them request an appointment to speak to them? Please don't judge family dynamics ... I mean really, what would you do? Multiple people have said that Prince pushed them away because they knew him too well and they would have known something was wrong. [Snip - luv4u]

Also - did anyone else notice that paperwork was found documenting the hip surgery in Texas (NOT at Mayo Clinic as reported orally by interviewees)? Possibly two surgeries for hip?

Sorry no page number cites - I skimmed the document on my tablet - not so easy to save and cite info.

Also - I wish Laura was still posting here. I was a long time lurker, even prior to 2016, but have rarely posted due to the contentious nature of discussions here.

Funny how some people who complain about bullying behavior are so quick to join in and bully and make fun of others.

Let the insults begin!!

PeteSilas said:

anyway, back on drugs, was it the docs that got him hooked post-surgery or did it go back further?

It's in the files that Prince had a problem post-surgery where they found him naked and roaming around PP slightly out of it, saying he was hot. It was excused away as a bad reaction to percocet but someone else said he was actually going through withdrawals at the time... Also, there are prior incidents that have been mentioned of him OD'ing, such as in '96 where it was pills and wine and they said his stomach had to be pumped, IIRC. ...and people all along mentioned him using pain pills because of pain. My guess is the reliance on pills slowly grew as his pain grew.

DD55 said:

PennyPurple said:

The patch on the door looks like it came from projectile vomiting. IMO

It had to be vomit and they probably were able to analyze what was in this throat at the scene. Remember back to the day the announcement was made, where they held a press conference telling us he had passed, the sheriff (I think) made the statement ‘he had drugs on him when he died’ and then there was this fire storm on he org about P not having pants with pockets. Well as it turns out he indeed was not carrying any drugs, so how were they so certain it was drugs within minutes the day he died? Especially to say 'he had drugs on him', what did that mean? Hopefully I’m not remembering that wrong. ~DD55

no, that's correct, the "on him" thing, we all assumed it may have been patches of fentanyl if i remember right. at any rate "on him" could mean anything in copspeak.

PennyPurple said:

jtfolden said:

Yeah, my mind has run through all the possible scenarios too. I assume it was closed or he would have been found much quicker. I also seem to believe it was stated it was closed when the first responder got there.

I assume Prince was moving up or down in the elevator at the time that he lost conciousness/vomited but if the door had been open he possibly could have stumbled / fell outward.

...and I wonder if he tried to stop the elevator. There is a place just to the right of the control pad that was "wet" when they first found him and you can see that whatever it was drained onto the floor. I don't know if it was drool or vomit but it was stated that saliva was coming from his mouth when found.

He could have laid there in the warmer elevator unconcious for a while, too (and sweat - thus why his face was moist), before he finally passed.

The patch on the door looks like it came from projectile vomiting. IMO

Yeah, that was sort of my guess too... although I find something odd about the "splatter pattern".