Former thread: http://prince.org/msg/7/453224

Continue the discussion here.

Please be civil. All rules apply.

littlemissG said:

purplerabbithole said:

From Part 3:

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cloveringold85 said:

nelcp777 said:

He may had an underlining illness, but I do not think he took his life or hit "fuck it". I believe it is what it has been discussed, an accidental OD from self medicating due to pain.

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I don't believe that either. But, why call an addiction specialist, if his family knew Prince was dying?

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Another key element in this case is the attorney, William Mauzy, who is representing Dr. Kornfeld and his son, Andrew; that no one seems to talk about.

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According to attorney, William Mauzy, he claims Prince arranged to meet with Dr. Kornfeld and his Son, Andrew; which is a lie. He contradicted himself by also saying that Dr. Kornfeld and Andrew had never met, nor spoken to Prince! I do not believe Prince had any knowledge that Andrew was coming to PP on April 21st.

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Also, the combination of Percocet and Buprenorphine (suboxone)--which Andrew was carrying, is very dangerous and deadly! Dr. Schulenberg had to have known this. Still, no accountability from anyone, and no arrests have been made.

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Morningsong said:

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That's the thing, he wasn't only an addiction specialist he specailized in pain management and opiod addiction, at least that's what I read. Which is why they reached all the way out to Cali because his methods are new and rare. I have a very strong feeling Prince has gone through a ton of methods over the years yet nothing worked for him and his lifestyle.

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My response to the bolded:

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The fact that Prince's rep's reached-out to a doctor in CA is very suspicious to me. There are plenty of qualified doctor's in MN area. If someone is having a grave medical emergency, you don't call-up some doctor in CA to fly out his med student Son, who's not even qualified to treat anyone.

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I never really watched the entire press conference with Attorney, William Mauzy until recently and he contradicts himself several times. I don't think he is being honest about what happened. Now, I know he is a defense attorney and represents Dr. Kornfeld and his Son, Andrew. A lot of what he said does not sit well with me.

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Mauzy states that Andrew's plan was to convince Prince to come out to CA for treatment. Convince? This sounds like Prince had no idea what was going on. Attorney Mauzy also stated that this is the type of thing that Andrew does all the time. That statement is quite troubling to me, because Andrew is not a doctor.

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If you're interested, here is the press conference with Attorney, William Mauzy:

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cloveringold85 said:

From Part 3:

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cloveringold85 said:

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I don't believe that either. But, why call an addiction specialist, if his family knew Prince was dying?

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Another key element in this case is the attorney, William Mauzy, who is representing Dr. Kornfeld and his son, Andrew; that no one seems to talk about.

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According to attorney, William Mauzy, he claims Prince arranged to meet with Dr. Kornfeld and his Son, Andrew; which is a lie. He contradicted himself by also saying that Dr. Kornfeld and Andrew had never met, nor spoken to Prince! I do not believe Prince had any knowledge that Andrew was coming to PP on April 21st.

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Also, the combination of Percocet and Buprenorphine (suboxone)--which Andrew was carrying, is very dangerous and deadly! Dr. Schulenberg had to have known this. Still, no accountability from anyone, and no arrests have been made.

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Morningsong said:

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That's the thing, he wasn't only an addiction specialist he specailized in pain management and opiod addiction, at least that's what I read. Which is why they reached all the way out to Cali because his methods are new and rare. I have a very strong feeling Prince has gone through a ton of methods over the years yet nothing worked for him and his lifestyle.

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My response to the bolded:

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The fact that Prince's rep's reached-out to a doctor in CA is very suspicious to me. There are plenty of qualified doctor's in MN area. If someone is having a grave medical emergency, you don't call-up some doctor in CA to fly out his med student Son, who's not even qualified to treat anyone.

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I never really watched the entire press conference with Attorney, William Mauzy until recently and he contradicts himself several times. I don't think he is being honest about what happened. Now, I know he is a defense attorney and represents Dr. Kornfeld and his Son, Andrew. A lot of what he said does not sit well with me.

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Mauzy states that Andrew's plan was to convince Prince to come out to CA for treatment. Convince? This sounds like Prince had no idea what was going on. Attorney Mauzy also stated that this is the type of thing that Andrew does all the time. That statement is quite troubling to me, because Andrew is not a doctor.

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If you're interested, here is the press conference with Attorney, William Mauzy:

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[Edited 4/5/18 11:53am]

I can't answer every single detail of who was what when or how because noone to date has answered all those questions with facts. All I know is according to his ads Kornfield is a pain specialist and an addiction specialist. What Prince knew, I don't know. What I know is he went to Dr. S for a full workup that Wednesday afternoon and that Thursday morning that same doctor showed up at PP with the results, it's in the warrants. Why the workup? I don't know, but it has been suggested it was because of expectation of Kornfield's arrival. Is that true? I don't know. I assume that Dr. Kornfield and Prince never spoke to each other. The attorney is there to protect his client so whatever he is saying is for the benefit of his client so maybe he's being very careful in how he words things, I don't know. But he is relaying all the information basically 3rd hand so some details could easily be missing. Many people have stated their discomfort about Andrew's arrival, personally I'm fine with the explanation that was given, life just works like that sometimes, if the Dr. had another client who was in an emergency situation then he'd be unprofessional to drop that client to go running off across the country. I wouldn't trust him as a client if I knew he did such things. He sent his son because he was the closest person who knew his father's methods. As far as I'm concerned the fact remains it was all too late anyway.

If you wanna stir the pot. My question is why were those pills still around after the Moline incident, especially if Kirk was able to get him a legit prescription of a similar med?

morningsong said:

If you wanna stir the pot. My question is why were those pills still around after the Moline incident, especially if Kirk was able to get him a legit prescription of a similar med?

When I read the warrants, I didn't see listed the pills from the prescription that Dr. S. had prescribed in Kirk's name that he told LE was actually for Prince.

I surmised when seeing this that Prince had probably used up the pills Dr. S. has prescribed. I don't know how many pills was in that prescription because that isn't mentioned in the warrants.

littlemissG said:

The last two years has convinced me of one thing; of the two Princes -the consumer product Prince vs. the man Prince, the man decided to protect the product. Can not promote the thousands of professional photographs taken yearly, sexual machine, and I haven’t really aged story if it was known he hurts worst than your Grandpa getting out of bed. I am sorry we couldn’t just let him be human. [Edited 4/5/18 6:49am]

leec1 said:

morningsong said:

If you wanna stir the pot. My question is why were those pills still around after the Moline incident, especially if Kirk was able to get him a legit prescription of a similar med?

When I read the warrants, I didn't see listed the pills from the prescription that Dr. S. had prescribed in Kirk's name that he told LE was actually for Prince.

I surmised when seeing this that Prince had probably used up the pills Dr. S. has prescribed. I don't know how many pills was in that prescription because that isn't mentioned in the warrants.

There is something in them that says a bottle was found with his name on it somewhere in PP, there also would be something in them where Kirk said he had never done something like that for Prince before, I'm not sure which one right now but since Kirk has only given one interview where he said his lips are sealed there's only one place that statement would be, and there was a leak or 2 stating that presciptions were picked up in Kirk's name.

morningsong said:

cloveringold85 said:

From Part 3:

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Morningsong said:

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That's the thing, he wasn't only an addiction specialist he specailized in pain management and opiod addiction, at least that's what I read. Which is why they reached all the way out to Cali because his methods are new and rare. I have a very strong feeling Prince has gone through a ton of methods over the years yet nothing worked for him and his lifestyle.

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My response to the bolded:

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The fact that Prince's rep's reached-out to a doctor in CA is very suspicious to me. There are plenty of qualified doctor's in MN area. If someone is having a grave medical emergency, you don't call-up some doctor in CA to fly out his med student Son, who's not even qualified to treat anyone.

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I never really watched the entire press conference with Attorney, William Mauzy until recently and he contradicts himself several times. I don't think he is being honest about what happened. Now, I know he is a defense attorney and represents Dr. Kornfeld and his Son, Andrew. A lot of what he said does not sit well with me.

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Mauzy states that Andrew's plan was to convince Prince to come out to CA for treatment. Convince? This sounds like Prince had no idea what was going on. Attorney Mauzy also stated that this is the type of thing that Andrew does all the time. That statement is quite troubling to me, because Andrew is not a doctor.

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If you're interested, here is the press conference with Attorney, William Mauzy:

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[Edited 4/5/18 11:53am]

I can't answer every single detail of who was what when or how because noone to date has answered all those questions with facts. All I know is according to his ads Kornfield is a pain specialist and an addiction specialist. What Prince knew, I don't know. What I know is he went to Dr. S for a full workup that Wednesday afternoon and that Thursday morning that same doctor showed up at PP with the results, it's in the warrants. Why the workup? I don't know, but it has been suggested it was because of expectation of Kornfield's arrival. Is that true? I don't know. I assume that Dr. Kornfield and Prince never spoke to each other. The attorney is there to protect his client so whatever he is saying is for the benefit of his client so maybe he's being very careful in how he words things, I don't know. But he is relaying all the information basically 3rd hand so some details could easily be missing. Many people have stated their discomfort about Andrew's arrival, personally I'm fine with the explanation that was given, life just works like that sometimes, if the Dr. had another client who was in an emergency situation then he'd be unprofessional to drop that client to go running off across the country. I wouldn't trust him as a client if I knew he did such things. He sent his son because he was the closest person who knew his father's methods. As far as I'm concerned the fact remains it was all too late anyway.

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I'm with you on most of what you said, except for the actions of Dr. Kornfeld and his Son, Andrew. I don't believe what they did was professional or ethical, at all. I have no doubt that they were all trying to help Prince, and Dr. Schulenberg included, but their methods are perplexing, to say the least. Many other healthcare professionals and addiction specialists have commented the same and questioned why Andrew was carrying drugs over state lines that he was not authorized to carry.

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Attorney Mauzy said Dr. Schulenberg cleared his schedule to meet with Prince on the 21st, but it was my understanding that Prince was aware Dr. Schulenberg was bringing him test results that day. But, I don't think he was aware that Andrew was going to be there.

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The attorney is only doing his job and what is best for his client, and I understand that. The fact that Andrew made the 911 Call, means he won't be held accountable for anything.

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It's all just very sad and it didn't have to end the way it did.

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If anything, it will be a lesson learned for Dr. Kornfeld and Andrew, and other doctor's as well.

morningsong said:

If you wanna stir the pot. My question is why were those pills still around after the Moline incident, especially if Kirk was able to get him a legit prescription of a similar med?

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Stir the pot? I'm only trying to have a conversation about something that is of importance, if anyone cares to discuss.

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I find it odd that all those pills were laying around PP after the Moline emergency....very odd, and I have no idea why Prince would do that. Kirk knows exactly what was going on with Prince, because he had Rx for Percocet written in his name and was giving them to Prince. This is why Kirk hired a lawyer, because he's not going to answer questions.

cloveringold85 said:

morningsong said:

If you wanna stir the pot. My question is why were those pills still around after the Moline incident, especially if Kirk was able to get him a legit prescription of a similar med?

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Stir the pot? I'm only trying to have a conversation about something that is of importance, if anyone cares to discuss.

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I find it odd that all those pills were laying around PP after the Moline emergency....very odd, and I have no idea why Prince would do that. Kirk knows exactly what was going on with Prince, because he had Rx for Percocet written in his name and was giving them to Prince. This is why Kirk hired a lawyer, because he's not going to answer questions.

I believe that Prince and his closest pals were used to the sanctity of PP and the control that P. wielded there...For decades it had been his famous, fancy, private space where he RULED with absolute authority. Why should he think he still couldn't control everything under its roof? It was business as usual.

littlemissG said:

The last two years has convinced me of one thing; of the two Princes -the consumer product Prince vs. the man Prince, the man decided to protect the product. Can not promote the thousands of professional photographs taken yearly, sexual machine, and I haven’t really aged story if it was known he hurts worst than your Grandpa getting out of bed. I am sorry we couldn’t just let him be human. [Edited 4/5/18 6:49am]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Stir the pot? I'm only trying to have a conversation about something that is of importance, if anyone cares to discuss.

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I find it odd that all those pills were laying around PP after the Moline emergency....very odd, and I have no idea why Prince would do that. Kirk knows exactly what was going on with Prince, because he had Rx for Percocet written in his name and was giving them to Prince. This is why Kirk hired a lawyer, because he's not going to answer questions.

I believe that Prince and his closest pals were used to the sanctity of PP and the control that P. wielded there...For decades it had been his famous, fancy, private space where he RULED with absolute authority. Why should he think he still couldn't control everything under its roof? It was business as usual.

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Yea, I know. I think maybe people were too afraid to say anything, for fear of losing their jobs, which is sad. A friends life is worth more than all the gold in the world. We will never find out about that Vault in Kirk's head.

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Whomever knew and did nothing.....well, that is something they have to live with, and they have to look at themselves each day in the mirror.

morningsong said:

leec1 said:

When I read the warrants, I didn't see listed the pills from the prescription that Dr. S. had prescribed in Kirk's name that he told LE was actually for Prince.

I surmised when seeing this that Prince had probably used up the pills Dr. S. has prescribed. I don't know how many pills was in that prescription because that isn't mentioned in the warrants.

There is something in them that says a bottle was found with his name on it somewhere in PP, there also would be something in them where Kirk said he had never done something like that for Prince before, I'm not sure which one right now but since Kirk has only given one interview where he said his lips are sealed there's only one place that statement would be, and there was a leak or 2 stating that presciptions were picked up in Kirk's name.

Dr. S originally told LE that he had written prescriptions in Kirk's name for Prince, but then he later retracted that statement and said he didn't do that. There were medications found with Kirk's name on it, but iirc, I don't think any of them were opoids.

http://people.com/music/p...er-claims/

Here is an article stating that Dr. Schulenberg denied giving a prescription in Kirk's name for Prince.



“Dr. Schulenberg has been and remains committed to providing full transparency regarding his practice as it relates to the Prince investigation. Dr. Schulenberg has previously disclosed all information regarding his care and treatment of Prince to his former employer, law enforcement authorities and regulatory authorities in the course of his complete cooperation with the investigation of Prince’s death. There are no restrictions on Dr. Schulenberg’s medical license, and contrary to headlines and media reports published in the wake of [Monday]’s unsealing of search warrants relating to the investigation, Dr. Schulenberg never directly prescribed opioids to Prince, nor did he ever prescribe opioids to any other person with the intent that they would be given to Prince.”

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benni said:

http://people.com/music/p...er-claims/

Here is an article stating that Dr. Schulenberg denied giving a prescription in Kirk's name for Prince.



“Dr. Schulenberg has been and remains committed to providing full transparency regarding his practice as it relates to the Prince investigation. Dr. Schulenberg has previously disclosed all information regarding his care and treatment of Prince to his former employer, law enforcement authorities and regulatory authorities in the course of his complete cooperation with the investigation of Prince’s death. There are no restrictions on Dr. Schulenberg’s medical license, and contrary to headlines and media reports published in the wake of [Monday]’s unsealing of search warrants relating to the investigation, Dr. Schulenberg never directly prescribed opioids to Prince, nor did he ever prescribe opioids to any other person with the intent that they would be given to Prince.”

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Yes, Dr. S. changed his story, per his attorney.

benni said:

The drugs from PP are listed in the 4/21 warrant and described in the 6/8 warrant.

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The 2 bottles with Kirk's name both contained different drugs than what was on their labels. Both bottles were dated 4/7:

- A vitamin D2 bottle that actually contained Ondansetron Hydrochloride, an anti-nausea drug (brand name: Zofran)

- An Ondansetron bottle that actually contained mostly Acetarninophen/oxycodone hydrochloride (aka Percocet). The bottle did contain one Ondansetron pill as well.

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So per this warrant, there was no opioid bottles with Kirk's name on them; there were Percocet pills in a bottle with Kirk's name on it, but the bottle was for a different drug.

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NotACleverName said:

benni said:

Dr. S originally told LE that he had written prescriptions in Kirk's name for Prince, but then he later retracted that statement and said he didn't do that. There were medications found with Kirk's name on it, but iirc, I don't think any of them were opoids.

I do believe there was a bottle of meds in Kirk's name that were, indeed, opioids.....Percocet which is Oxycodone and Acetominophen. If I remember correctly, there were 10 pills found. I think disch posted a link to the warrant from June (8th maybe?) on the previous part, 3, that detailed this. This article - https://www.apnews.com/6e...c0c5153b27 - mentions the script as well: "Authorities also found a prescription bottle in someone else’s name that contained 10 oxycodone pills, the official said, without revealing who was listed on the prescription".

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disch said:

The Zofran prescribed to Kirk could have been meant for Prince. Zofran is used for opioid-withdrawal nausea, among other nausea (such as caused by chemo or radiation).

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Edited to add: I found the relevant warrant that talks about Dr S prescribing opioids: "Prince Rogers Nelson had no prescriptions issued to him and that Kirk Johnson had only one, Oxycodone which was prescribed on 04-14-16 by Dr. Michael Schulenberg...who admitted in a statement to Detective Chris Nelson that he had prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson’s name for Prince’s privacy."

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But that prescription Oxycodone bottle wasn't among those found at PP. The 10 Percocet pills in the Ondansetron bottle could've been from that 4/14 script. If that's the case: I wonder how many pills were prescribed? 10 remained, so I wonder how many Prince took (if any) between 4/14 and his death?

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One note too: The specific Percocets that were found (labeled A-349) were a mid-strength version (5mg; Percocet go up to 10mg). Some have wondered here why P would have taken black-market opioids when he possessed some legit ones. Maybe one theory: Those legit Percocets weren't strong enough for his needs.

NotACleverName said:

Interesting.....the bottle has to be noted somewhere, otherwise, how would all this chatter about Dr. Schulenberg prescribing meds for Prince in Kirk's name have come about? Of course, we know he retracted that. Still, that bottle is noted somewhere. I'm certain I saw/read it somewhere. Guess I shouldn't say I'm "certain" because my eyes cross after a while reading everything (warrants, articles, etc.). Maybe I can find it tomorrow. Have to call it a night....the am alarm goes off very early for me. disch said:

The drugs from PP are listed in the 4/21 warrant and described in the 6/8 warrant. The 2 bottles with Kirk's name both contained different drugs than what was on their labels: These were the 2 bottles with Kirk's name on them. The bottles were both dated 4/7/16.

-A vitamin D2 bottle that actually contained Ondansetron Hydrochloride, an anti-nausea drug (brand name: Zofran. Zofran)

-An Ondansetron bottle that actually contained Acetarninophen/oxycodone hydrochloride (aka Percocet). So per this warrant, there was no opioid bottles with Kirk's name on them; there were Percocet pills in a bottle with Kirk's name on it, but the bottle was for a different drug.

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NotACleverName said:

Interesting.....the bottle has to be noted somewhere, otherwise, how would all this chatter about Dr. Schulenberg prescribing meds for Prince in Kirk's name have come about? Of course, we know he retracted that. Still, that bottle is noted somewhere. I'm certain I saw/read it somewhere. Guess I shouldn't say I'm "certain" because my eyes cross after a while reading everything (warrants, articles, etc.). Maybe I can find it tomorrow. Have to call it a night....the am alarm goes off very early for me. disch said:

The drugs from PP are listed in the 4/21 warrant and described in the 6/8 warrant. The 2 bottles with Kirk's name both contained different drugs than what was on their labels: These were the 2 bottles with Kirk's name on them. The bottles were both dated 4/7/16.

-A vitamin D2 bottle that actually contained Ondansetron Hydrochloride, an anti-nausea drug (brand name: Zofran. Zofran)

-An Ondansetron bottle that actually contained Acetarninophen/oxycodone hydrochloride (aka Percocet). So per this warrant, there was no opioid bottles with Kirk's name on them; there were Percocet pills in a bottle with Kirk's name on it, but the bottle was for a different drug.

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It came about because originally it was reported that Dr. S told LE that he did write a prescription for opoids for Prince and put it in Kirk's name.

It's been my experience that with situations like this, some people tend to cling to the original reports and ignore reports that come out later that might contradict the original report. So when these types of discussions happen, they still repeat the original report as fact. I sometimes think we are just hardwired that way, somehow, that original "facts" stick but updated information is forgotten.

i agree, early information can sometimes be more inaccurate and stuff gets clarified later.

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In this case, I'd believe what Dr S told LE more than what he (or his lawyer) told the press, because I think he'd be more motivated to tell the truth to LE than to tell the truth in a public press release, if there's a conradiction between them. But it's all a bit hazy especially because no opioid bottle with Kirk's name was found at PP.

benni said:

NotACleverName said:

Interesting.....the bottle has to be noted somewhere, otherwise, how would all this chatter about Dr. Schulenberg prescribing meds for Prince in Kirk's name have come about? Of course, we know he retracted that. Still, that bottle is noted somewhere. I'm certain I saw/read it somewhere. Guess I shouldn't say I'm "certain" because my eyes cross after a while reading everything (warrants, articles, etc.). Maybe I can find it tomorrow. Have to call it a night....the am alarm goes off very early for me. disch said:

It came about because originally it was reported that Dr. S told LE that he did write a prescription for opoids for Prince and put it in Kirk's name.

It's been my experience that with situations like this, some people tend to cling to the original reports and ignore reports that come out later that might contradict the original report. So when these types of discussions happen, they still repeat the original report as fact. I sometimes think we are just hardwired that way, somehow, that original "facts" stick but updated information is forgotten.

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disch said:

The Zofran prescribed to Kirk could have been meant for Prince. Zofran is used for opioid-withdrawal nausea, among other nausea (such as caused by chemo or radiation).

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Edited to add: I found the relevant warrant that talks about Dr S prescribing opioids: "Prince Rogers Nelson had no prescriptions issued to him and that Kirk Johnson had only one, Oxycodone which was prescribed on 04-14-16 by Dr. Michael Schulenberg...who admitted in a statement to Detective Chris Nelson that he had prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson’s name for Prince’s privacy."

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But that prescription Oxycodone bottle wasn't among those found at PP. The 10 Percocet pills in the Ondansetron bottle could've been from that 4/14 script. If that's the case: I wonder how many pills were prescribed? 10 remained, so I wonder how many Prince took (if any) between 4/14 and his death?

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One note too: The specific Percocets that were found (labeled A-349) were a mid-strength version (5mg; Percocet go up to 10mg). Some have wondered here why P would have taken illegal opioids when he possessed some legit ones. Maybe one theory: Those legit Percocets weren't strong enough for his needs.

NotACleverName said:

Interesting.....the bottle has to be noted somewhere, otherwise, how would all this chatter about Dr. Schulenberg prescribing meds for Prince in Kirk's name have come about? Of course, we know he retracted that. Still, that bottle is noted somewhere. I'm certain I saw/read it somewhere. Guess I shouldn't say I'm "certain" because my eyes cross after a while reading everything (warrants, articles, etc.). Maybe I can find it tomorrow. Have to call it a night....the am alarm goes off very early for me. disch said:

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The maximum that can be prescribed is a 30 day supply, with most opioids being given every 6 to 8 hours. (And that is for chronic pain.) For acute pain, it's a 5 day supply, I believe. So it's possible a prescription of 90 to 120 pills could have been written, but it's highly doubtful, if there were only 10 pills left. It's also possible that Kirk just gave Prince 10 pills out of the prescription written for him and that's why they were in a different bottle.

My son takes a controlled medication and his dad and I have to divide them up between the two households. If we don't have a spare bottle with the actual medication name on it, along with the miligrams, we'll put it in a different bottle and label it with our son's name, medication type, miligrams of each pill, and directions for taking them. I doubt other people do that because they probably just don't think about it. But we do it because if we're ever pulled over taking it to the other parent's home, we want to make sure that it's labeled, but also because we want to make sure that he is taking the right medication.

disch said:

i agree, early information can sometimes be more inaccurate and stuff gets clarified later.

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In this case, I'd believe what Dr S told LE more than what he (or his lawyer) told the press, because I think he'd be more motivated to tell the truth to LE than to tell the truth in a public press release, if there's a conradiction between them. But it's all a bit hazy especially because no opioid bottle with Kirk's name was found at PP.

benni said:

It came about because originally it was reported that Dr. S told LE that he did write a prescription for opoids for Prince and put it in Kirk's name.

It's been my experience that with situations like this, some people tend to cling to the original reports and ignore reports that come out later that might contradict the original report. So when these types of discussions happen, they still repeat the original report as fact. I sometimes think we are just hardwired that way, somehow, that original "facts" stick but updated information is forgotten.

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I agree in this situation that it is more likely that Dr. S did tell LE that he had prescribed medication for Prince under Kirk's name. I think the later denial was a protection for himself against the medical board, which would definitely frown on that.

Interesting. Realistically, I think Prince probably took few to none of those Percocets. The reason: I doubt his plane OD was on Percocet, because it would take an awful lot of 5mg Percocets to trigger a severe OD. And the rest of the week, it seems that he was in withdrawal (i.e., no or extremely minimal opioids) until ODed fatally on fentanyl (i.e., not legit percocets).

benni said:

disch said:

The Zofran prescribed to Kirk could have been meant for Prince. Zofran is used for opioid-withdrawal nausea, among other nausea (such as caused by chemo or radiation).

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Edited to add: I found the relevant warrant that talks about Dr S prescribing opioids: "Prince Rogers Nelson had no prescriptions issued to him and that Kirk Johnson had only one, Oxycodone which was prescribed on 04-14-16 by Dr. Michael Schulenberg...who admitted in a statement to Detective Chris Nelson that he had prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson’s name for Prince’s privacy."

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But that prescription Oxycodone bottle wasn't among those found at PP. The 10 Percocet pills in the Ondansetron bottle could've been from that 4/14 script. If that's the case: I wonder how many pills were prescribed? 10 remained, so I wonder how many Prince took (if any) between 4/14 and his death?

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One note too: The specific Percocets that were found (labeled A-349) were a mid-strength version (5mg; Percocet go up to 10mg). Some have wondered here why P would have taken illegal opioids when he possessed some legit ones. Maybe one theory: Those legit Percocets weren't strong enough for his needs.

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The maximum that can be prescribed is a 30 day supply, with most opioids being given every 6 to 8 hours. (And that is for chronic pain.) For acute pain, it's a 5 day supply, I believe. So it's possible a prescription of 90 to 120 pills could have been written, but it's highly doubtful, if there were only 10 pills left. It's also possible that Kirk just gave Prince 10 pills out of the prescription written for him and that's why they were in a different bottle.

My son takes a controlled medication and his dad and I have to divide them up between the two households. If we don't have a spare bottle with the actual medication name on it, along with the miligrams, we'll put it in a different bottle and label it with our son's name, medication type, miligrams of each pill, and directions for taking them. I doubt other people do that because they probably just don't think about it. But we do it because if we're ever pulled over taking it to the other parent's home, we want to make sure that it's labeled, but also because we want to make sure that he is taking the right medication.

disch said:

Interesting. Realistically, I think Prince probably took few to none of those Percocets. The reason: I doubt his plane OD was on Percocet, because it would take an awful lot of 5mg Percocets to trigger a severe OD. And the rest of the week, it seems that he was in withdrawal (i.e., no or extremely minimal opioids) until ODed fatally on fentanyl (i.e., not legit percocets).

benni said:

The maximum that can be prescribed is a 30 day supply, with most opioids being given every 6 to 8 hours. (And that is for chronic pain.) For acute pain, it's a 5 day supply, I believe. So it's possible a prescription of 90 to 120 pills could have been written, but it's highly doubtful, if there were only 10 pills left. It's also possible that Kirk just gave Prince 10 pills out of the prescription written for him and that's why they were in a different bottle.

My son takes a controlled medication and his dad and I have to divide them up between the two households. If we don't have a spare bottle with the actual medication name on it, along with the miligrams, we'll put it in a different bottle and label it with our son's name, medication type, miligrams of each pill, and directions for taking them. I doubt other people do that because they probably just don't think about it. But we do it because if we're ever pulled over taking it to the other parent's home, we want to make sure that it's labeled, but also because we want to make sure that he is taking the right medication.

Just found this on Percocets:

Below is an overview of the six strengths of Percocet that can be prescribed.

• Percocet 2.5/325: This is the weakest dose of Percocet, and this is what most doctors will start with because a small dosage strength can help avoid side effects like respiratory depression. When someone is dependent on Percocet or has been using it for a while, this may also be used as a way to gradually reduce the Percocet dosage to avoid withdrawal symptoms.
• Percocet 7.5/325: This Percocet dosage contains 7.5 mg of oxycodone, and as with the other dosages, the second number refers to the amount of acetaminophen in the dose. This dosage has an additional amount of oxycodone from the previous Percocet dosage, but the acetaminophen is the same. This can be used for the treatment of moderate pain.
• Percocet 7.5/500: The difference in this Percocet dosage from the previous isn’t in the amount of oxycodone, but is in the amount of the acetaminophen.
• Percocet 10/325: This Percocet dosage is one of the two options with the highest amount of oxycodone, and this is meant to be used in patients who have a high, severe level of pain.
• Percocet 10/650: Finally, the strongest available Percocet dosage is this one. It has the maximum amount of oxycodone and acetaminophen, and it should be tapered when someone is to stop using it.

In terms of general Percocet dosage guidelines, when adults are being treated with this drug, they should start with the lowest possible dose and take only one to two tablets every six hours as needed. The total dose of acetaminophen, which can cause liver damage, should not be more than four grams in a 24-hour period.

With the rest of the dosages, one tablet only should be taken, every six hours as needed. With Percocet 5 mg/325 mg, the maximum daily dose is 12 tablets, with 7.5/325 the maximum dose is eight tablets, and with the strongest Percocet dosages, the maximum is six tablets per day.

It’s important when someone is taking Percocet when prescribed for pain that they follow the dosages exactly because not doing so puts them at a higher risk of developing a dependence and of ultimately abusing the drug. It can also lead to adverse reactions.

disch said:

Interesting. Realistically, I think Prince probably took few to none of those Percocets. The reason: I doubt his plane OD was on Percocet, because it would take an awful lot of 5mg Percocets to trigger a severe OD. And the rest of the week, it seems that he was in withdrawal (i.e., no or extremely minimal opioids) until ODed fatally on fentanyl (i.e., not legit percocets).

benni said:

The maximum that can be prescribed is a 30 day supply, with most opioids being given every 6 to 8 hours. (And that is for chronic pain.) For acute pain, it's a 5 day supply, I believe. So it's possible a prescription of 90 to 120 pills could have been written, but it's highly doubtful, if there were only 10 pills left. It's also possible that Kirk just gave Prince 10 pills out of the prescription written for him and that's why they were in a different bottle.

My son takes a controlled medication and his dad and I have to divide them up between the two households. If we don't have a spare bottle with the actual medication name on it, along with the miligrams, we'll put it in a different bottle and label it with our son's name, medication type, miligrams of each pill, and directions for taking them. I doubt other people do that because they probably just don't think about it. But we do it because if we're ever pulled over taking it to the other parent's home, we want to make sure that it's labeled, but also because we want to make sure that he is taking the right medication.

Huh. Just found this too:

Percocet Overdose – How Much Is Too Much?

The reason people abuse Percocet is for the narcotic oxycodone that helps manage pain. But Percocet only contains 2.5-10 mg of oxycodone and between 325 – 650 mg of acetaminophen, the active ingredient of Tylenol. Both can cause serious toxicity in the body. Percocet abuse will always pose the risk of death and overdose. This is why Percocet should only be taken in the doses recommended by your doctor. Snorting, injecting, chewing, or crushing Percocet increases your risk of overdose.

Acetaminophen overdose – More than 1000 mg of acetaminophen at one time won’t kill you, but will cause chronic liver damage if taken habitually. But at doses higher than 4000 mg per day, the acetaminophen in Percocet poisons you, causing severe effects such as vomiting and abdominal pain. More than 7000 mg of acetaminophen can kill you.

Oxycodone overdose – It’s also possible to overdose on the oxycodone found in Percocet, but this requires taking enough Percocet that you’d be having issues with the acetaminophen already. It takes about 40 mg of oxycodone to overdose if you haven’t taken the medication before. At the lowest strength of Percocet, you’d need over 16 pills for the oxycodone to be dangerous, but you’d be well over the daily limit for acetaminophen poisoning and would need immediate medical attention.

Percocet Overdose Complications

The most dangerous complication of Percocet overdose is liver damage. It may take up to 12 hours for symptoms of Percocet overdose to occur, which is one reason Percocet abuse is so dangerous. You can experience Percocet OD symptoms as minor as stomach pain or as serious as a coma. But Percocet overdose needs to be treated immediately, to avoid potential liver failure and subsequent death. And by the time you notice symptoms, permanent damage may have already been done to your liver.


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There is no way the plane incident occurred 12 hours following the concert. Wasn't it reported that he had taken the percocets after he finished the concert? In order for him to have OD'd on the percocets, he would have to have taken much earlier in the day. Wouldn't he?