mnfriend said:

I don’t have anything to add, I have been following I live in N CA now there are 2 murals here, 1 is next to a business I frequent, it is an eye level larger than life wallpaper and I end up parked it front of it staring him in the eyes. I am stunned every time- that it was put there, how intense to me. The cafe it represents, maybe no-one else feels it

Care to share a picture of what you are seeing?

luvsexy4all said:

" ....im never really out of control"

That's right. And he never was either, no matter what is being put out there.

Mumio said:

Mumio said:

luvsexy4all said:

" ....im never really out of control"

That's right. And he never was either, no matter what is being put out there.

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When someone says they are in control of an illegal or prescribed substance, it is quite the opposite. YOU don't control the drug; the DRUG controls YOU!!

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One of the signs of addiction is delusion.

cloveringold85 said:

Mumio said:

That's right. And he never was either, no matter what is being put out there.

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When someone says they are in control of an illegal or prescribed substance, it is quite the opposite. YOU don't control the drug; the DRUG controls YOU!!

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One of the signs of addiction is delusion.

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

Mumio said:

That's right. And he never was either, no matter what is being put out there.

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When someone says they are in control of an illegal or prescribed substance, it is quite the opposite. YOU don't control the drug; the DRUG controls YOU!!

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One of the signs of addiction is delusion.

you're so cute, clover...I think the sayng is "...sign of addiction is denial"...

PennyPurple said:

nelcp777 said:

It is sad that people get hooked from prescriptions. Now, there is a crackdown on these prescriptions but that is too little too late for many people.

A doctor near where I live was arrested for over prescribing pain meds.

It's sad when people who really need them, can't get them because of all the abuse.

Don't be surprised if we have to start showing ID to buy Tide Pods, or Rubbers.

I won't be surprised at all. Sad times we live in.

cloveringold85 said:

Mumio said:

That's right. And he never was either, no matter what is being put out there.

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When someone says they are in control of an illegal or prescribed substance, it is quite the opposite. YOU don't control the drug; the DRUG controls YOU!!

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One of the signs of addiction is delusion.

I know exactly what all of this means clover. But thanks anyway.

I still stick with what I said

sonshine said:

cloveringold85 said:

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When someone says they are in control of an illegal or prescribed substance, it is quite the opposite. YOU don't control the drug; the DRUG controls YOU!!

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One of the signs of addiction is delusion.

He was still in relatively good control altho i'm sure that was getting more difficult to maintain. People have a hard time believing that high functioning addicts do exist. Given enough time tho eventually it will all fall apart. He wasn't at that point yet. He wasn't pulling any Britney Spears or Amy Winehouse level stunts yet.

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True, not "yet". I've experienced what addiction is all about in my own family. My sister does this, and the reason why I cannot have a relationship with her. I will be talking on the phone with her, and she starts to slur her words and then denies she is on anything. People don't realize how they hurt other's when they do this and when they aren't being honest with themselves.

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I'm not saying this is what Prince was doing, but I just wish he got himself help. I still love him and always will.

precioux said:

cloveringold85 said:

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When someone says they are in control of an illegal or prescribed substance, it is quite the opposite. YOU don't control the drug; the DRUG controls YOU!!

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One of the signs of addiction is delusion.

you're so cute, clover...I think the sayng is "...sign of addiction is denial"...

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Well, it's all in the same category. Denial/delusion......not dealing with reality.

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I'm from the east coast, so some of you may not follow what I'm saying.

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Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

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When someone says they are in control of an illegal or prescribed substance, it is quite the opposite. YOU don't control the drug; the DRUG controls YOU!!

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One of the signs of addiction is delusion.

I know exactly what all of this means clover. But thanks anyway.

I still stick with what I said

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Okay, but how can someone who is under the influence/abuse of a drug (any drug) be "in control"?

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I'm not talking about Advil or Tylenol here.

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Check with Dr. Drew, because he would say differently.

cloveringold85 said:

Mumio said:

I know exactly what all of this means clover. But thanks anyway.

I still stick with what I said

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Okay, but how can someone who is under the influence/abuse of a drug (any drug) be "in control"?

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I'm not talking about Advil or Tylenol here.

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Check with Dr. Drew, because he would say differently.

I don't care what the tv doc has to say about anything You'd never catch me quoting anything coming from him.

This comment you are making here is insulting to anyone who takes pain medication for pain relief. You are implying they don't know what they are doing. I am gonna tell you point blank that you are wrong about that.

cloveringold85 said:

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Okay, but how can someone who is under the influence/abuse of a drug (any drug) be "in control"?

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I'm not talking about Advil or Tylenol here.

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Check with Dr. Drew, because he would say differently.

Because people who use these drugs for chronic pain, have a different reaction, then people who abuse these drugs. If taken properly and under a Dr.'s care one doesn't normally lose control.

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Okay, but how can someone who is under the influence/abuse of a drug (any drug) be "in control"?

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I'm not talking about Advil or Tylenol here.

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Check with Dr. Drew, because he would say differently.

Because people who use these drugs for chronic pain, have a different reaction, then people who abuse these drugs. If taken properly and under a Dr.'s care one doesn't normally lose control.

correct again, Penny, this FACT cannot be stated enough...but the key is "under Dr.'s care" because you get habituated so rapidly and need to ramp up your intake to even dull, let alone erase, your pain.

Two years ago I had several surgeries that required post-op pain management. I purposely devised a super slow weaning glid path of six weeks to get the opoids out of my body...they are SO seductive and do so much more than ease physical pain...but they are insidious, super dangerous, compelling, magical...and deadly.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

purplefam99 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

correct again, Penny, this FACT cannot be stated enough...but the key is "under Dr.'s care" because you get habituated so rapidly and need to ramp up your intake to even dull, let alone erase, your pain.

Two years ago I had several surgeries that required post-op pain management. I purposely devised a super slow weaning glid path of six weeks to get the opoids out of my body...they are SO seductive and do so much more than ease physical pain...but they are insidious, super dangerous, compelling, magical...and deadly.

Sounds like even you took the matter in your own hands. Dr’s care isn’t always the ultimate standard. Sometimes one knows better what is best for their own body and it is not necessisriy What is prescribed. Although I do see the point your trying to make.

Exactly, I was shocked at how many pain meds the dr ordered up for me...the surgeon, the master in his field where I live with 30 years experience, told me people didn't get dependant until about about after 90 days...but in my gut, I knew differently.

Another scenario: imagine you are a surgeon with a celebrity client. You don't want them complaining of pain after the procedure which would put your caring and competance in question...so you keep them happily numbed for as long as they want. You want them to like you. You LIKE being the physician to a celebrity...maybe they'll come back for a hip procedure on the other side. You're star struck...AND, the Rx is just a piece of paper to you and look how happy it makes the client.

Mumio said:

Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Okay, but how can someone who is under the influence/abuse of a drug (any drug) be "in control"?

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I'm not talking about Advil or Tylenol here.

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Check with Dr. Drew, because he would say differently.

I don't care what the tv doc has to say about anything You'd never catch me quoting anything coming from him.

This comment you are making here is insulting to anyone who takes pain medication for pain relief. You are implying they don't know what they are doing. I am gonna tell you point blank that you are wrong about that.

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We just talked about this in the Apples thread, and I tried to clarify what I said and meant by my comment.

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I am in no way insulting anyone who takes a Rx for pain. I'm sorry you took it that way.

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All I am trying to say is that if, and "IF" (big if) someone has a dependency on pain meds, whether it be Prince or your neighbor, then that is not someone who is in-control. That is all I am trying to say.

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Peace!

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Okay, but how can someone who is under the influence/abuse of a drug (any drug) be "in control"?

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I'm not talking about Advil or Tylenol here.

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Check with Dr. Drew, because he would say differently.

Because people who use these drugs for chronic pain, have a different reaction, then people who abuse these drugs. If taken properly and under a Dr.'s care one doesn't normally lose control.

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I think some of you are misunderstanding me. I was referring to someone who is ABUSING pain meds, i.e., dependency/addiction.

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I guess I don't speak english?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

purplefam99 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said: Sounds like even you took the matter in your own hands. Dr’s care isn’t always the ultimate standard. Sometimes one knows better what is best for their own body and it is not necessisriy What is prescribed. Although I do see the point your trying to make.

Exactly, I was shocked at how many pain meds the dr ordered up for me...the surgeon, the master in his field where I live with 30 years experience, told me people didn't get dependant until about about after 90 days...but in my gut, I knew differently.

Another scenario: imagine you are a surgeon with a celebrity client. You don't want them complaining of pain after the procedure which would put your caring and competance in question...so you keep them happily numbed for as long as they want. You want them to like you. You LIKE being the physician to a celebrity...maybe they'll come back for a hip procedure on the other side. You're star struck...AND, the Rx is just a piece of paper to you and look how happy it makes the client.

I am not famous, but I can remember going to the ER for hip pain, and the doctor gave me one of the Oxys ... after two days I was no longer in pain but I would come home, get some iced tea, take one of the pills and watch TV. I liked them a lot. I felt really good with them. Then one day I flushed the rest of the pills down the drain because I liked the feeling too much. Imagine being in excruciating pain and needing something, anything, to quell the pain. I can see how addiction would be so easy.

1Sasha said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Exactly, I was shocked at how many pain meds the dr ordered up for me...the surgeon, the master in his field where I live with 30 years experience, told me people didn't get dependant until about about after 90 days...but in my gut, I knew differently.

Another scenario: imagine you are a surgeon with a celebrity client. You don't want them complaining of pain after the procedure which would put your caring and competance in question...so you keep them happily numbed for as long as they want. You want them to like you. You LIKE being the physician to a celebrity...maybe they'll come back for a hip procedure on the other side. You're star struck...AND, the Rx is just a piece of paper to you and look how happy it makes the client.

I am not famous, but I can remember going to the ER for hip pain, and the doctor gave me one of the Oxys ... after two days I was no longer in pain but I would come home, get some iced tea, take one of the pills and watch TV. I liked them a lot. I felt really good with them. Then one day I flushed the rest of the pills down the drain because I liked the feeling too much. Imagine being in excruciating pain and needing something, anything, to quell the pain. I can see how addiction would be so easy.

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It can happen very easily. When I lost my Mother and I was going through a lot of stress in my life, my doctor prescribed me a low-dose of Xanax, and I only take it when I'm feeling stressed. Xanax gives you a feeling of "not giving a fuck", and this is why it can be very dangerous. One day, I took one, and I was driving down the road, and I just felt so good inside; like, nothing could bother me. I was driving too fast, and then realized what I was doing -- almost like I had no fear. It was kinda scary, to be honest, so I can see how easy it is to become dependent on any drug.

Morgaine said:

Mumio said:

I don't care what the tv doc has to say about anything You'd never catch me quoting anything coming from him.

This comment you are making here is insulting to anyone who takes pain medication for pain relief. You are implying they don't know what they are doing. I am gonna tell you point blank that you are wrong about that.

You can state your opinion and choose what to believe into eternity, but it doesn't grant validity or fact to your statements. Opiates alter thinking in multiple ways, including brain structure & neurobiology. From one dose, one time. Consistent/daily usage of opiates over time can cause habituation including dependence/addiction. Just because you say it is so, does not make it fact.

I stand by what I said above. Not everyone taking pain meds is unaware of what they are doing. Thanks for your response.

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Mumio said:

Morgaine said:

Mumio said: You can state your opinion and choose what to believe into eternity, but it doesn't grant validity or fact to your statements. Opiates alter thinking in multiple ways, including brain structure & neurobiology. From one dose, one time. Consistent/daily usage of opiates over time can cause habituation including dependence/addiction. Just because you say it is so, does not make it fact.

I stand by what I said above. Not everyone taking pain meds is unaware of what they are doing. Thanks for your response.

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Take it from 1 who knows, if taken correctly and as prescribed, they don't lose all control.

Addicted, yes they become addicted because anyone who uses these drugs long term becomes addicted. And that's why this drug has become such a problem. Big Pharma lied. Depending on the doseage and years of use it took several years for my hubby to be weaned off.

PennyPurple said:

Mumio said:

I stand by what I said above. Not everyone taking pain meds is unaware of what they are doing. Thanks for your response.

[Edited 4/12/18 14:09pm]

Take it from 1 who knows, if taken correctly and as prescribed, they don't lose all control.

Addicted, yes they become addicted because anyone who uses these drugs long term becomes addicted. And that's why this drug has become such a problem. Big Pharma lied. Depending on the doseage and years of use it took several years for my hubby to be weaned off.

Yeah, I don't dispute dependency, I just took issue with it being said that those who take pain meds lose control. It's not true.

Very sorry about your husband's medical situation, wishing you both the best

Mumio said:

PennyPurple said:

Take it from 1 who knows, if taken correctly and as prescribed, they don't lose all control.

Addicted, yes they become addicted because anyone who uses these drugs long term becomes addicted. And that's why this drug has become such a problem. Big Pharma lied. Depending on the doseage and years of use it took several years for my hubby to be weaned off.

Yeah, I don't dispute dependency, I just took issue with it being said that those who take pain meds lose control. It's not true.

Very sorry about your husband's medical situation, wishing you both the best

Thank you Mumio.

I also would like to add that my hubby was a firefighter and he was still able to perform his job while taking this medication.

The reason he had to retire was because of a career ending surgery on his spinal cord and when he woke up he couldn't feel his left leg, he can move it, just can't feel it and he falls quite a lot.

PennyPurple said:

Mumio said:

Yeah, I don't dispute dependency, I just took issue with it being said that those who take pain meds lose control. It's not true.

Very sorry about your husband's medical situation, wishing you both the best

Thank you Mumio.

I also would like to add that my hubby was a firefighter and he was still able to perform his job while taking this medication.

The reason he had to retire was because of a career ending surgery on his spinal cord and when he woke up he couldn't feel his left leg, he can move it, just can't feel it and he falls quite a lot.

Oh Penny, sending healing vibes to you and your husband...thanks for sharing your personal trauma with these drugs, very brave. xoxo

PennyPurple said:

Mumio said:

Yeah, I don't dispute dependency, I just took issue with it being said that those who take pain meds lose control. It's not true.

Very sorry about your husband's medical situation, wishing you both the best

Thank you Mumio.

I also would like to add that my hubby was a firefighter and he was still able to perform his job while taking this medication.

The reason he had to retire was because of a career ending surgery on his spinal cord and when he woke up he couldn't feel his left leg, he can move it, just can't feel it and he falls quite a lot.

What an awful situation for him This can't be easy for either of you.

Thanks all. It's not easy but we are still alive!

Like many people, I wondered why didn't he seek out help? Mayo Clinic in his backyard and the recovery institute he helped his sister into and through--he knew where help was and he could afford it (that near million in gold bars....)

So what kept him from that help? The fast departure from Moline hospital though by then he was and had been seen by Kirk's doctor. Then I read this report in the NYT https://mobile.nytimes.co...=Homepage

Though it is about black mothers and their babies, it addresses institutional racism in health care. Prince's hospital experiences surely weren't good with his children (Baby Nelson and the miscarried child--it is hard to imagine the shock and pain of the boy's birth and death)--maybe that is why he bought the land across from PP to build a hospital. So his family would have care he trusted. Hospitals are tough places for anyone, but for black Americans, (and the issue is with the US according to the story) it is especially hard. I had no idea. Another lesson.