cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

Look at this article. Lisa, Lisa, Lisa............SMDH

Here's some snippets, for the full article a link is provided.

Revolution band member Lisa Coleman suspected that Prince had been using drugs for a decade before his death in April 2016.

“I didn't know to what extent,” she told us in advance of upcoming Revolution performances at Sony Hall on Oct. 11 and 12.

“I had heard rumors over the last like 10 years or something that he was fooling around with drugs,” Coleman said. “It was so unusual, but I knew he was in a lot of pain and he was going through a lot with his hip and that made sense to me.”

“I was shocked that it had gone so far,” she said. “It's hard to think about even the pictures that I saw of him and stuff in the last two months (of his life). ‘Hey something’s wrong. Someone give him some soup or something.’ It really freaked me out.”

www.nydailynews.com/enter...-1.3919189

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What the??

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

Look at this article. Lisa, Lisa, Lisa............SMDH

Here's some snippets, for the full article a link is provided.

www.nydailynews.com/enter...-1.3919189

what's that sound? is it the floodgates opening? I have been saying on this site for 2 years that a LOT of people knew...they thought (IMO) that they were being either supportive friends by keeping their mouths shut or they were just looking out for their own interests and didn't want to get bounced from the Purple gravy train......he also had a lifelong habit of seductively promising people in the biz (usually women) that he would mentor, enhance and launch their careers...so they had BOTH motives to clam up.

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Yea, but Lisa is old skool -- she knew Prince from the beginning of his career, so she had nothing to lose -- she wasn't one of Prince's "new" women, i.e.; "new muse" or anything.

rogifan said:

luvsexy4all said:

these drug threads r tired....those that know ..know... and those that dont wanna know ...stay in their mindset

No they’re tired because nobody really knows, nobody’s ever going to make sense of it all, yet soon it will be part 10 with everyone still spouting their theories/conspiracies. I guess the horse is made of Teflon.

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All we will be fed from here on out is little tidbits........it's all we got!!

leec1 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Man, people are heartless or maybe just extremely conflicted and confused. . She said in another interview this year that if she had known of his overdose that she would have gone to Paisley. Now, she is saying she suspected for 10 years that he was dabbling in drugs but didn't know the extent and that right before he died and she saw pictures of him, she thought he was undereating. I would think that the extent of the problem would be apparent by the skinniness. But that being said, I re-read old threads on this site fromJanuary of 2016 and early days of the Piano and Microphone tour (before Moline) and no one seemed to be expressing concern on here about his health, and fans obviously knew of the rumors of him popping pills for his hip problems in 2009 and saw his weight loss as well, so maybe she had the same info fans had and just didnt do a good enough job of putting one and one together. I think he was keeping a lot of people in the dark and only trickling info was coming out. Confounding people. The times he did talk to LIsa were probably brief, cryptic, on the phone and music oriented. If he seemed fine during the conversations (and stopped contact after 2014), not sure she had the chance or know-how to broach the subject.

As for your other comment I hope you are not implying that we will get an onslaught of Me-Too movement complaints that P forced (indirectly) proteges to sleep with him in exchange for musical mentorship and careers.

PennyPurple said:

Thanks sorry about the link.

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10-years is a mighty long time to be suspicious of a friends "supposed" drug use.

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It's like, they are only now making sense of it? Rather strange, if you ask me!

I was angry when I first read this article last night (especially with her use of the words "fooling around" with drugs (bad choice of words that made it sound recreational). But I read closer and she understood his usage to be for his hips (maybe she thought he should have just gotten surgery instead of 'fooling around' with drugs to deal with pain.). Anyhow, if you recall, P evenually got some kind of surgery, gained weight and was looking better around 2011. Maybe all she was saying was that P had turned to drugs (according to rumors) to deal with hips rather than his usual non-drug stance but she didn't know if he had continued to do so and didnt see an immediate threat until that is, he got real thin in 2014. But at that point, she didn't know what was going on (whether it was drugs or just not eating.)

cloveringold85 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Man, people are heartless or maybe just extremely conflicted and confused. . She said in another interview this year that if she had known of his overdose that she would have gone to Paisley. Now, she is saying she suspected for 10 years that he was dabbling in drugs but didn't know the extent and that right before he died and she saw pictures of him, she thought he was undereating. I would think that the extent of the problem would be apparent by the skinniness. But that being said, I re-read old threads on this site fromJanuary of 2016 and early days of the Piano and Microphone tour (before Moline) and no one seemed to be expressing concern on here about his health, and fans obviously knew of the rumors of him popping pills for his hip problems in 2009 and saw his weight loss as well, so maybe she had the same info fans had and just didnt do a good enough job of putting one and one together. I think he was keeping a lot of people in the dark and only trickling info was coming out. Confounding people. The times he did talk to LIsa were probably brief, cryptic, on the phone and music oriented. If he seemed fine during the conversations (and stopped contact after 2014), not sure she had the chance or know-how to broach the subject.

As for your other comment I hope you are not implying that we will get an onslaught of Me-Too movement complaints that P forced (indirectly) proteges to sleep with him in exchange for musical mentorship and careers.

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10-years is a mighty long time to be suspicious of a friends "supposed" drug use.

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It's like, they are only now making sense of it? Rather strange, if you ask me!

Wow, just wow The darned hip

http://www.nydailynews.co...-1.3919189

purplerabbithole said:

I was angry when I first read this article last night (especially with her use of the words "fooling around" with drugs (bad choice of words that made it sound recreational). But I read closer and she understood his usage to be for his hips (maybe she thought he should have just gotten surgery instead of 'fooling around' with drugs to deal with pain.). Anyhow, if you recall, P evenually got some kind of surgery, gained weight and was looking better around 2011. Maybe all she was saying was that P had turned to drugs (according to rumors) to deal with hips rather than his usual non-drug stance but she didn't know if he had continued to do so and didnt see an immediate threat until that is, he got real thin in 2014. But at that point, she didn't know what was going on (whether it was drugs or just not eating.)

cloveringold85 said:

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10-years is a mighty long time to be suspicious of a friends "supposed" drug use.

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It's like, they are only now making sense of it? Rather strange, if you ask me!

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It's all speculation, really. I think Lisa is just trying to make sense of it all, like the rest of us. I'm sure they are questioning themselves and feeling guilty for not knowing something was going on with Prince, and maybe they could have helped, or maybe not. When you lose a loved one, "guilt" is one of the stages of grieving.

luv4u said:

Wow, just wow The darned hip

http://www.nydailynews.co...-1.3919189

Revolution band member Lisa Coleman suspected that Prince had been using drugs for a decade before his death in April 2016.

"I didn't know to what extent," she told us in advance of upcoming Revolution performances at Sony Hall on Oct. 11 and 12.

"I had heard rumors over the last like 10 years or something that he was fooling around with drugs," Coleman said. "It was so unusual, but I knew he was in a lot of pain and he was going through a lot with his hip and that made sense to me." ........

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Hmmm, so she heard rumors too.

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No one was really close enough to Prince to really know what was going on in the last 10-years of his life. The only person that would know would be Kirk. I'm sure Prince confided in him regarding his hip pain. Makes me sad to think that Prince was in so much pain, even for one minute!!

Bodhitheblackdog said:

cloveringold85 said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I communicated with Denise so I won't have any further comments about her..

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I'm still baffled by what Denise meant. We all know that jellyfish are deadly; was she trying to say Prince was dangerous (to himself) and deadly?

Jellyfish are toxic and dangerous.
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Note that she has Prince ensnared in their tentacles - the most toxic and dangerous part of them.

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I think Vanity / Denise was possibly trying to tell us that Prince was trapped in some way or other - and it wasn't going to end well.

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Re Lisa's comment about 'fooling around' with pain-killers for his hip. It suggests that he wasn't going about things in an entirely sensible way - possibly self-medicating rather than doing things properly, getting medical attention, etc.
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Jellyfish.

Dibblekins said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I'm still baffled by what Denise meant. We all know that jellyfish are deadly; was she trying to say Prince was dangerous (to himself) and deadly?

Jellyfish are toxic and dangerous.
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Note that she has Prince ensnared in their tentacles - the most toxic and dangerous part of them.

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I think Vanity / Denise was possibly trying to tell us that Prince was trapped in some way or other - and it wasn't going to end well.

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Re Lisa's comment about 'fooling around' with pain-killers for his hip. It suggests that he wasn't going about things in an entirely sensible way - possibly self-medicating rather than doing things properly, getting medical attention, etc.
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Jellyfish.

Prince released an instrumental called "Disco Jellyfish". Which later ended up being the back track of the masterpiece hit single "CHOCOLATEBOX".

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Dibblekins said:

Jellyfish are toxic and dangerous.
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Note that she has Prince ensnared in their tentacles - the most toxic and dangerous part of them.

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I think Vanity / Denise was possibly trying to tell us that Prince was trapped in some way or other - and it wasn't going to end well.

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Re Lisa's comment about 'fooling around' with pain-killers for his hip. It suggests that he wasn't going about things in an entirely sensible way - possibly self-medicating rather than doing things properly, getting medical attention, etc.
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Jellyfish.

Prince released an instrumental called "Disco Jellyfish". Which later ended up being the back track of the masterpiece hit single "CHOCOLATEBOX".

Maybe drugs were hidden in with the chocolates? DID ANYONE CHECK THE CHOCOLATE BOXES IN PP?!?
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I'm kidding - but, Lord knows, stranger things have been said on here!!!

Or one could just interpret what she said as a bad choice of words...or maybe it is foolish at all to take drugs instead of getting the hip replaced..(scar tissue removal ain't enough). However, how well he moved around during the Welcome to America tour, it would be easy for anyone looking in from the outside to think that whatever surgery he did have(tissue removal) did the trick. Unfortunately, it sounds like a short term solution.

Who knows what denise was referring to..For all we know, she was talking about Prince being ensnared in SIN due to singing sexual innuendo. She was a very religious person--possibly more so than Prince.

Dibblekins said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I'm still baffled by what Denise meant. We all know that jellyfish are deadly; was she trying to say Prince was dangerous (to himself) and deadly?

Jellyfish are toxic and dangerous.
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Note that she has Prince ensnared in their tentacles - the most toxic and dangerous part of them.

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I think Vanity / Denise was possibly trying to tell us that Prince was trapped in some way or other - and it wasn't going to end well.

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Re Lisa's comment about 'fooling around' with pain-killers for his hip. It suggests that he wasn't going about things in an entirely sensible way - possibly self-medicating rather than doing things properly, getting medical attention, etc.
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Jellyfish.

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purplerabbithole said:

Dibblekins said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Prince released an instrumental called "Disco Jellyfish". Which later ended up being the back track of the masterpiece hit single "CHOCOLATEBOX".

Maybe drugs were hidden in with the chocolates? DID ANYONE CHECK THE CHOCOLATE BOXES IN PP?!?
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I'm kidding - but, Lord knows, stranger things have been said on here!!!

I don't find ANYTHING about Prince's addiction funny or something to joke about. Especially since many of the details are not known or solved.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

Look at this article. Lisa, Lisa, Lisa............SMDH

Here's some snippets, for the full article a link is provided.

www.nydailynews.com/enter...-1.3919189

what's that sound? is it the floodgates opening? I have been saying on this site for 2 years that a LOT of people knew...they thought (IMO) that they were being either supportive friends by keeping their mouths shut or they were just looking out for their own interests and didn't want to get bounced from the Purple gravy train......he also had a lifelong habit of seductively promising people in the biz (usually women) that he would mentor, enhance and launch their careers...so they had BOTH motives to clam up.

But but but, the story is that whilst in Atlanta ,his pills had already been switched by"forces". Then , for good measure,( and to ensure he would not escape the hand of death the next time), they set him up by pre-arranging the 'bad batch' inside PP, sent every one home, turned off/disabled the security system . All of these things increased the odds of him shoveling at least one bad one down his throat. Once he finally realized what was being done to him, he hauled ass to try to get help but only made it as far as his final resting place , the elevator.

If only he had called the cops the first time (when he was suspicious that dark forces were out to get him), he would still be here today. Shame he opted to bike ride and do a pseudo- mini show instead.

Very dark "forces" ... You know the ones on the uber right who partnered and conspired with record executives who had ties back in Palermo.

I'm bothered by the fact that his associates, who knew him better then we do, didn't try to help him.

NOW they see it......Prince helped a lot of people, but who helped him in times of need? He helped them with medical bills, he loaned some money as is stated in the court documents...still not repaid...

It saddens me.

Well, Prince had walls. He didnt own a cell phone, had an email a limited number of associates probably knew, gave people the runaround, had been touring, was eccentric and cryptic to begin with, was living 1000's of miles away from many of the older associates (I remember some interview with W and L from maybe 2011 or 2007, in which Lisa stated she hadn't been to PP since 1988. Wendy had been there more recently), was entrenched in disputes with the Family and The Time. I remember reading interviews with folks who were trying to get info on P at the time when his health looked bad but had to ask to someone who know someone who knew Prince. He was surrounded by younger people who knew only recent version of him (in other words if his disposition was different than typically known they may not be able to sense it as easily.) Plus, he was a guy who had gone through a skinny, pill-popping year in the past (2009) and survived it. Plus his weight loss became most noticeable the last 5 months or so of his life so maybe people thought they had some time to reach him. Plus, there were the pschophants too blinded by his fame, talent and aura to see a suffering man. I wonder how many tried to contact him or ask around when the plane went down in Molene. I remember reading that the search warrants shows there were definitely concerned emails to his account. I think the problem is that he needed a more forceful personality to shake him up, to get him to take care of himself. It sounds like Kirk and Meron let him down. There is another problem--quality of life. How do we know how bad it was for him. Maybe his liver was shot and the pain was so unbearable that his time was limited and therefore the people who knew better just decided to let him live with ease from suffering -- that is until other alternatives (pain/addiction) specialists became an idea. Another problem is that direct opposition could mean losing one's job. That's not an excuse for being indifferent to his suffering, but it might a factor in how one approaches the problem. Maybe, people were trying to do both at the same time -- keep their jobs and subtlely try to get him help and it just wasn't working. the bigger tragedy might be that Prince himself was too scared to let the more powerful/iindependent folks in his life or past know how bad he was suffering. Maybe he thought they wouldn't really care..Some might not have cared, but many might have. Its hard to ask for help if you think a majority of the people might exploit your suffering or be indifferent. But it is worth trying for the two or three (or more hopefully) who would care enough to help.

PennyPurple said:

I'm bothered by the fact that his associates, who knew him better then we do, didn't try to help him.

NOW they see it......Prince helped a lot of people, but who helped him in times of need? He helped them with medical bills, he loaned some money as is stated in the court documents...still not repaid...

It saddens me.

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littlemissG said:

benni said:

muleFunk said:

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

Dibblekins said:

Maybe drugs were hidden in with the chocolates? DID ANYONE CHECK THE CHOCOLATE BOXES IN PP?!?
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I'm kidding - but, Lord knows, stranger things have been said on here!!!

I don't find ANYTHING about Prince's addiction funny or something to joke about. Especially since many of the details are not known or solved.

Apologies for making you upset - I'm one who finds dark humour a useful coping mechanism.

Dibblekins said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I'm still baffled by what Denise meant. We all know that jellyfish are deadly; was she trying to say Prince was dangerous (to himself) and deadly?

Jellyfish are toxic and dangerous.
.
Note that she has Prince ensnared in their tentacles - the most toxic and dangerous part of them.

.
I think Vanity / Denise was possibly trying to tell us that Prince was trapped in some way or other - and it wasn't going to end well.

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Re Lisa's comment about 'fooling around' with pain-killers for his hip. It suggests that he wasn't going about things in an entirely sensible way - possibly self-medicating rather than doing things properly, getting medical attention, etc.
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Jellyfish.

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Maybe Denise was using the jellyfish as a metaphor to suggest (like you said) that he was tangled-up (caught-up) in something bad (or someone) bad? It could have been a metaphor for his dangerous overuse of prescription drugs? We just don't know...a big mystery. I guess she was cryptic too, like Prince?

Morgaine said:

muleFunk said:

cloveringold85 said: