PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

I'm having a bit of a brain freeze. The Autopsy report says : Time of death: 10:07 am on April 21, 2016. I assume the paramedics made that call on site.

Prince was found unresponsive at 09:43 am on April 21st, 2016. I assume by KJ and others.

How is it the ME was not able to quantify a better time of death? It can't be 10:07 am.

Did Prince OD that morning or the night before? Surely she/they would know that?

Maybe I missed something?

I think it's because they can't call an official time of death until an official gets there. Maybe the paramedics aren't qualified to call it.

Mumio said:

Menes said:

I'm having a bit of a brain freeze. The Autopsy report says : Time of death: 10:07 am on April 21, 2016. I assume the paramedics made that call on site.

Prince was found unresponsive at 09:43 am on April 21st, 2016. I assume by KJ and others.

How is it the ME was not able to quantify a better time of death? It can't be 10:07 am.

Did Prince OD that morning or the night before? Surely she/they would know that?

Maybe I missed something?

I don't know that it was ever official, but there was word out there that he could have passed up to 6 hours before he was found.

Hmmm. Well I'm looking at two forms. The non certified records of death for admin use only from the ME's office and the Release Of Public Data from the same office. On the Non Certified Records form, it says 10:07 am is the actual time of death. It was then certified on June 2, 2016.

On the autopsy form that was released, (as in the public data form we saw) there is no line for it (time of death) but what does it say for date of injury?

However, the date of death (the 21st) is mentioned on the same page on the top right hand corner of the public data form.



a Did she intentionally omit the time of death and date of injury on the public data form ? Why is it on the other form?

b: Her autopsy report, (in terms of time and date), were primarily manufactured by the paramedics and investigators who were on the scene 15 minutes after the 911 call. That's about 10:07 or so that am. This has to be why she used that time on the non public form because as far as we know, the autopsy was performed the same day . I dont think investigators and paramedics perform autopsies, so how is it that both are matching up in terms of time?

c: If Prince's body was showing sings of lividity, rigor mortis in the face, etc. she would have known that such changes are observed within 1-2 hours after death. However, if she doesn't have to mention it, she would easily qualify "time of injury" with : unknown. Uknown to me , means that she didnt see any changes and therefore, that would mean that Prince was dead for no more than an hour before they found him. There is always a general sense of time.

I don't know why we would have two compelling reports with varying information.

Correction: I meant autopsy was NOT performed on the same day.

[Edited 10/28/17 18:49pm]

In case of any doubt , you can get a non certified record of the data which shows the additional information.


Noncertified Death Record...tion (PDF)

mnfriend said:

She is not telling all (IMO) Article in daily mail says P called her while she was at McDonalds 3 years ago from an unlisted # (what, why say that?) he only called to say I have finished my job here on Earth or something like that 1 sentence that’s how she ‘knew’ That’s all she says, and that she is still using drugs and or alcohol to numb pain. Seriously. ETA: article was only her promoting O2. [Edited 10/27/17 6:10am]

Actually, she said the exact opposite, that this is the first time that she's had to deal with this kind of pain without drugs or alcohol.

ThatWhiteDude said:

precioux said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

precioux said:

Menes said:

Mumio said:

I don't know that it was ever official, but there was word out there that he could have passed up to 6 hours before he was found.

Hmmm. Well I'm looking at two forms. The non certified records of death for admin use only from the ME's office and the Release Of Public Data from the same office. On the Non Certified Records form, it says 10:07 am is the actual time of death. It was then certified on June 2, 2016.

On the autopsy form that was released, (as in the public data form we saw) there is no line for it (time of death) but what does it say for date of injury?

However, the date of death (the 21st) is mentioned on the same page on the top right hand corner of the public data form.



a Did she intentionally omit the time of death and date of injury on the public data form ? Why is it on the other form?

b: Her autopsy report, (in terms of time and date), were primarily manufactured by the paramedics and investigators who were on the scene 15 minutes after the 911 call. That's about 10:07 or so that am. This has to be why she used that time on the non public form because as far as we know, the autopsy was performed the same day . I dont think investigators and paramedics perform autopsies, so how is it that both are matching up in terms of time?

c: If Prince's body was showing sings of lividity, rigor mortis in the face, etc. she would have known that such changes are observed within 1-2 hours after death. However, if she doesn't have to mention it, she would easily qualify "time of injury" with : unknown. Uknown to me , means that she didnt see any changes and therefore, that would mean that Prince was dead for no more than an hour before they found him. There is always a general sense of time.

I don't know why we would have two compelling reports with varying information.

Correction: I meant autopsy was NOT performed on the same day.

[Edited 10/28/17 18:49pm]

I don't know what forum member Fortune and Serendipity's interpretation is, but I think that the confusion is in the interpretation of the forms that have been fed to the public vs. those that are not available to the public.

The public data report that was released is wholly separate from non public data, or certified death is not the only form that is in existence. Nor is it the full and complete picture. See 2017 Minnesota statues 13.83. It is merely part and parcel , protocol for non pubic data and is not the actual certified death record .

AS it relates to cremation : Before creamtion can take place, a "documentation of death worksheet " must be completed and certified for the disposition of a dead body . Prince was cremated in very short time after his death and a death registration must be filed withing days after death and prior to final disposition of the body and certified. That would be certified by the ME.


I think it is fair to say that an autopsy report was never released to the public. It is not accessible to the public unless you are the next of kin, a physician or authorized attorney. I would be willing to wager that things like lividity, body temp, a more precise time of death, etc, is on that form. I have read reports of "Prince's autopsy report released". One may have been performed but it wasn't released.


Because there is an ongoing investigation, certified death records and non pubic data (autopsy)documentation, is prohibited from release to the gen. public.. (See Minnesota statue 13.83 Subd.4.) I am pretty sure that things are a bit more specific on that form. IE; time of death. etc.

On the non public data form, it lists manner of death as an accident and that the cause of this accidental death was fentanyl toxicity. That form will not tell you of any other significant conditions ( she placed NA in that column) . I don't know if this "NA" is directly related to the accidental death( as in contributing cause) or, if it means that he didnt have any other signifcant conditions worth noting. I suspect the former.

In addition, there is no way that she would be able to tell if Prince decided to commit suicide at any moment prior to the actual act. The guidelines for determing suicide were not met.

Her releasing that non public data form, created more confusion in the interpretation of what the document really is and what was the reason for its release. It is not a "short form" of another document, nor is it a requirement to list any other information on said form. Furthermore, I never understood why someone representing Prince, or the investigative team, not clear things up a bit about what was being released. It's not as if, we,the general public, are aware of the rules.

Of note, I saw another document where she certified the time of death as 10:07.am as opposed to "unknown". She certified that on June 2nd , I believe. I guess her autopsy report is the same time that the paramedics called it in? What a coincidence! I interpret that to mean that Prince was alive(but unresponsive) when Kirk and others got in the house, but that 15 minutes or so later Prince was dead. Really?

Again that time of death is probably due to the fact that is when the paramedics arrived and he was DOA. So that time is pretty certain. It doesn't mean that he actually died that moment, it means that is the time they had confirmation.

I only know this because my MIL passed away and was found in her home, the last contact that was made with her was on a Friday Night, they found her the following Sunday. The date of death and the time of death is when it was confirmed by LE or the coroner.

I believe when Andrew called 911 he told them that he was dead.

A bit off topic, but does anybody know what happened to the Tyka thread and her interview?

PennyPurple said:

A bit off topic, but does anybody know what happened to the Tyka thread and her interview?

Another one gone poof!!!

PennyPurple said:

A bit off topic, but does anybody know what happened to the Tyka thread and her interview?

I think it's been moved to the Associated Artists / People forum.

EDIT: It's now gone from there too...

[Edited 10/29/17 14:40pm]

Dibblekins said:

PennyPurple said:

A bit off topic, but does anybody know what happened to the Tyka thread and her interview?

I think it's been moved to the Associated Artists / People forum.

Nope, not that one, the one titled "Tyka claims Prince asked her to share a picture with Andre..."

2004Fan said:

Dibblekins said:

I think it's been moved to the Associated Artists / People forum.

Nope, not that one, the one titled "Tyka claims Prince asked her to share a picture with Andre..."

Yes - the one you mention had been moved to the Associated Artists forum but has now gone.

2004Fan said:

Dibblekins said:

I think it's been moved to the Associated Artists / People forum.

Nope, not that one, the one titled "Tyka claims Prince asked her to share a picture with Andre..."

I had just posted on it and it disappeared.

Uh oh....

precioux said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

But F&S didn't say that P had a terminal illnes

Read it again! Did I SAY F&S said that?? NO! I said: "it's not a fact, rather speculation that p has a terminal disease"-see that ?!?! But, F&S is trying to drive home the "idea" that IF an underlying disease was there, that it should've been mentioned. This cheering for DELUSIONAL "theories" is not looking too good for the home team. I and others are done trying to kindly explain the rules of thumb when an ME makes a decision, but it is obviously falling on deaf ears, with a cheering team to boot! LMMFAO! Carry on...

You do not know if P was aware he was taking fentanyl. And neither would the ME bc she isn't clairvoyant or a mindreader. The various pills found in Paisley Park can all be imported from China over the internet. Including 100% pure fentanyl. I've seen the video (props to phatphuk) and it's as easy as ordering off ebay - so maybe P knew what he was doing that night, maybe he didn't.

I did not say 'underlying illness'. All along I've said terminal illness as the hypothesis. I'm simply saying, with the alleged elephant-killing amount of fentanyl recorded from autopsy, plus an advanced life-threatening illness, you might think the ME would include that in Part 2 (as a contributory cause) BC IN WESTERN WORLD IF YOU HAVE STAGE 4 CANCER FOR EXAMPLE THE DRUG THEY OFTEN GIVE IS... FENTANYL FOR PALLIATIVE CARE. What part of that do you not understand? Are you one of those people who can't see 2 sides of an argument... as I repeat, the ME is not clairvoyant or a mindreader?!?! Given what can be deduced from the report...

She doesn't know why P had that level of fentanyl in his bloodstream.

She cannot read his intent. Because she was not in his head on the night of the 20th/21st ok?!

She does not know if he was taking it - as relief - for his terminal illness condition!!!? (assuming he had one)

I would be staggered if evidence of any terminal illness ever emerges. It would probably be the strangest celebrity death find of all time.

fortuneandserendipity said:

precioux said:

ThatWhiteDude said: Read it again! Did I SAY F&S said that?? NO! I said: "it's not a fact, rather speculation that p has a terminal disease"-see that ?!?! But, F&S is trying to drive home the "idea" that IF an underlying disease was there, that it should've been mentioned. This cheering for DELUSIONAL "theories" is not looking too good for the home team. I and others are done trying to kindly explain the rules of thumb when an ME makes a decision, but it is obviously falling on deaf ears, with a cheering team to boot! LMMFAO! Carry on...

You do not know if P was aware he was taking fentanyl. And neither would the ME bc she isn't clairvoyant or a mindreader. The various pills found in Paisley Park can all be imported from China over the internet. Including 100% pure fentanyl. I've seen the video (props to phatphuk) and it's as easy as ordering off ebay - so maybe P knew what he was doing that night, maybe he didn't.

I did not say 'underlying illness'. All along I've said terminal illness as the hypothesis. I'm simply saying, with the alleged elephant-killing amount of fentanyl recorded from autopsy, plus an advanced life-threatening illness, you might think the ME would include that in Part 2 (as a contributory cause) BC IN WESTERN WORLD IF YOU HAVE STAGE 4 CANCER FOR EXAMPLE THE DRUG THEY OFTEN GIVE IS... FENTANYL FOR PALLIATIVE CARE. What part of that do you not understand? Are you one of those people who can't see 2 sides of an argument... as I repeat, the ME is not clairvoyant or a mindreader?!?! Given what can be deduced from the report...

She doesn't know why P had that level of fentanyl in his bloodstream.

She cannot read his intent. Because she was not in his head on the night of the 20th/21st ok?!

She does not know if he was taking it - as relief - for his terminal illness condition!!!? (assuming he had one)

I would be staggered if evidence of any terminal illness ever emerges. It would probably be the strangest celebrity death find of all time.

I think you've made a strong argument that he did NOT have a terminal illness, there was no legit need for a high tolerance to fentanyl to have been built up in his system and if he DID die of an accidental overdose (as per the ME's conclusion) and it was NOT suicide (as per the ME's conclusion) that he ACCIDENTALLY took a little more fentanyl than he was used to taking as a long time fentanyl user. BTW, I don't personally agree with what I've just written, I have a different theory, just trying to untangle the thread. Don't know if I did....I'm sure someone will tell me.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

You do not know if P was aware he was taking fentanyl. And neither would the ME bc she isn't clairvoyant or a mindreader. The various pills found in Paisley Park can all be imported from China over the internet. Including 100% pure fentanyl. I've seen the video (props to phatphuk) and it's as easy as ordering off ebay - so maybe P knew what he was doing that night, maybe he didn't.

I did not say 'underlying illness'. All along I've said terminal illness as the hypothesis. I'm simply saying, with the alleged elephant-killing amount of fentanyl recorded from autopsy, plus an advanced life-threatening illness, you might think the ME would include that in Part 2 (as a contributory cause) BC IN WESTERN WORLD IF YOU HAVE STAGE 4 CANCER FOR EXAMPLE THE DRUG THEY OFTEN GIVE IS... FENTANYL FOR PALLIATIVE CARE. What part of that do you not understand? Are you one of those people who can't see 2 sides of an argument... as I repeat, the ME is not clairvoyant or a mindreader?!?! Given what can be deduced from the report...

She doesn't know why P had that level of fentanyl in his bloodstream.

She cannot read his intent. Because she was not in his head on the night of the 20th/21st ok?!

She does not know if he was taking it - as relief - for his terminal illness condition!!!? (assuming he had one)

I would be staggered if evidence of any terminal illness ever emerges. It would probably be the strangest celebrity death find of all time.

I think you've made a strong argument that he did NOT have a terminal illness, there was no legit need for a high tolerance to fentanyl to have been built up in his system and if he DID die of an accidental overdose (as per the ME's conclusion) and it was NOT suicide (as per the ME's conclusion) that he ACCIDENTALLY took a little more fentanyl than he was used to taking as a long time fentanyl user. BTW, I don't personally agree with what I've just written, I have a different theory, just trying to untangle the thread. Don't know if I did....I'm sure someone will tell me.

Thanks for the acknowledgement. I've seen the PhatPhuk video, very revealing. I believe P knew he was taking fentanyl. I think bone pain, opiate withdrawal and hyperalgesia took their toll. My first gut reaction to seeing the report 'That's not right'.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I think you've made a strong argument that he did NOT have a terminal illness, there was no legit need for a high tolerance to fentanyl to have been built up in his system and if he DID die of an accidental overdose (as per the ME's conclusion) and it was NOT suicide (as per the ME's conclusion) that he ACCIDENTALLY took a little more fentanyl than he was used to taking as a long time fentanyl user. BTW, I don't personally agree with what I've just written, I have a different theory, just trying to untangle the thread. Don't know if I did....I'm sure someone will tell me.

Thanks for the acknowledgement. I've seen the PhatPhuk video, very revealing. I believe P knew he was taking fentanyl. I think bone pain, opiate withdrawal and hyperalgesia took their toll. My first gut reaction to seeing the report 'That's not right'.

ME TOO.

fortuneandserendipity said:

precioux said:

ThatWhiteDude said: Read it again! Did I SAY F&S said that?? NO! I said: "it's not a fact, rather speculation that p has a terminal disease"-see that ?!?! But, F&S is trying to drive home the "idea" that IF an underlying disease was there, that it should've been mentioned. This cheering for DELUSIONAL "theories" is not looking too good for the home team. I and others are done trying to kindly explain the rules of thumb when an ME makes a decision, but it is obviously falling on deaf ears, with a cheering team to boot! LMMFAO! Carry on...

You do not know if P was aware he was taking fentanyl. And neither would the ME bc she isn't clairvoyant or a mindreader. The various pills found in Paisley Park can all be imported from China over the internet. Including 100% pure fentanyl. I've seen the video (props to phatphuk) and it's as easy as ordering off ebay - so maybe P knew what he was doing that night, maybe he didn't.

I did not say 'underlying illness'. All along I've said terminal illness as the hypothesis. I'm simply saying, with the alleged elephant-killing amount of fentanyl recorded from autopsy, plus an advanced life-threatening illness, you might think the ME would include that in Part 2 (as a contributory cause) BC IN WESTERN WORLD IF YOU HAVE STAGE 4 CANCER FOR EXAMPLE THE DRUG THEY OFTEN GIVE IS... FENTANYL FOR PALLIATIVE CARE. What part of that do you not understand? Are you one of those people who can't see 2 sides of an argument... as I repeat, the ME is not clairvoyant or a mindreader?!?! Given what can be deduced from the report...

She doesn't know why P had that level of fentanyl in his bloodstream.

She cannot read his intent. Because she was not in his head on the night of the 20th/21st ok?!

She does not know if he was taking it - as relief - for his terminal illness condition!!!? (assuming he had one)

I would be staggered if evidence of any terminal illness ever emerges. It would probably be the strangest celebrity death find of all time.

I am definitely in agreement with the (3) bolded statements. In addition , I don't see Prince having a hard time deciding whether he would want to face the music ( as in now the world knows what the hell is going on with me) as opposed to , shutting it down.

Guess we will have to wait for Laura or Mulefunk's book to find out the truth. Some friends.

Menes said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

You do not know if P was aware he was taking fentanyl. And neither would the ME bc she isn't clairvoyant or a mindreader. The various pills found in Paisley Park can all be imported from China over the internet. Including 100% pure fentanyl. I've seen the video (props to phatphuk) and it's as easy as ordering off ebay - so maybe P knew what he was doing that night, maybe he didn't.

I did not say 'underlying illness'. All along I've said terminal illness as the hypothesis. I'm simply saying, with the alleged elephant-killing amount of fentanyl recorded from autopsy, plus an advanced life-threatening illness, you might think the ME would include that in Part 2 (as a contributory cause) BC IN WESTERN WORLD IF YOU HAVE STAGE 4 CANCER FOR EXAMPLE THE DRUG THEY OFTEN GIVE IS... FENTANYL FOR PALLIATIVE CARE. What part of that do you not understand? Are you one of those people who can't see 2 sides of an argument... as I repeat, the ME is not clairvoyant or a mindreader?!?! Given what can be deduced from the report...

She doesn't know why P had that level of fentanyl in his bloodstream.

She cannot read his intent. Because she was not in his head on the night of the 20th/21st ok?!

She does not know if he was taking it - as relief - for his terminal illness condition!!!? (assuming he had one)

I would be staggered if evidence of any terminal illness ever emerges. It would probably be the strangest celebrity death find of all time.

I am definitely in agreement with the (3) bolded statements. In addition , I don't see Prince having a hard time deciding whether he would want to face the music ( as in now the world knows what the hell is going on with me) as opposed to , shutting it down.

Guess we will have to wait for Laura or Mulefunk's book to find out the truth. Some friends.

did i miss LR's confirmation of writing a book???

fortuneandserendipity said:

purplefam99 said:

Menes said:

I am definitely in agreement with the (3) bolded statements. In addition , I don't see Prince having a hard time deciding whether he would want to face the music ( as in now the world knows what the hell is going on with me) as opposed to , shutting it down.

Guess we will have to wait for Laura or Mulefunk's book to find out the truth. Some friends.

did i miss LR's confirmation of writing a book???

I don't want trouble. I'm still on probation over that nasty conversation concerning Mayte fucking that prancing peasant in Spain. Best you confirm things for yourself.

Menes said:

purplefam99 said:

did i miss LR's confirmation of writing a book???

I don't want trouble. I'm still on probation over that nasty conversation concerning Mayte fucking that prancing peasant in Spain. Best you confirm things for yourself.

And Prince fucking Manuela is legit? (Not saying that you said that, just asking if there are any doublestandards)

Menes said:

purplefam99 said:

did i miss LR's confirmation of writing a book???

I don't want trouble. I'm still on probation over that nasty conversation concerning Mayte fucking that prancing peasant in Spain. Best you confirm things for yourself.

Hahahahahahahahaha! Menes you are a pisser!

Menes said:

Menes said:

Hmmm. Well I'm looking at two forms. The non certified records of death for admin use only from the ME's office and the Release Of Public Data from the same office. On the Non Certified Records form, it says 10:07 am is the actual time of death. It was then certified on June 2, 2016.

On the autopsy form that was released, (as in the public data form we saw) there is no line for it (time of death) but what does it say for date of injury?

However, the date of death (the 21st) is mentioned on the same page on the top right hand corner of the public data form.



a Did she intentionally omit the time of death and date of injury on the public data form ? Why is it on the other form?

b: Her autopsy report, (in terms of time and date), were primarily manufactured by the paramedics and investigators who were on the scene 15 minutes after the 911 call. That's about 10:07 or so that am. This has to be why she used that time on the non public form because as far as we know, the autopsy was performed the same day . I dont think investigators and paramedics perform autopsies, so how is it that both are matching up in terms of time?

c: If Prince's body was showing sings of lividity, rigor mortis in the face, etc. she would have known that such changes are observed within 1-2 hours after death. However, if she doesn't have to mention it, she would easily qualify "time of injury" with : unknown. Uknown to me , means that she didnt see any changes and therefore, that would mean that Prince was dead for no more than an hour before they found him. There is always a general sense of time.

I don't know why we would have two compelling reports with varying information.

Correction: I meant autopsy was NOT performed on the same day.

[Edited 10/28/17 18:49pm]

I don't know what forum member Fortune and Serendipity's interpretation is, but I think that the confusion is in the interpretation of the forms that have been fed to the public vs. those that are not available to the public.

The public data report that was released is wholly separate from non public data, or certified death is not the only form that is in existence. Nor is it the full and complete picture. See 2017 Minnesota statues 13.83. It is merely part and parcel , protocol for non pubic data and is not the actual certified death record .

AS it relates to cremation : Before creamtion can take place, a "documentation of death worksheet " must be completed and certified for the disposition of a dead body . Prince was cremated in very short time after his death and a death registration must be filed withing days after death and prior to final disposition of the body and certified. That would be certified by the ME.


I think it is fair to say that an autopsy report was never released to the public. It is not accessible to the public unless you are the next of kin, a physician or authorized attorney. I would be willing to wager that things like lividity, body temp, a more precise time of death, etc, is on that form. I have read reports of "Prince's autopsy report released". One may have been performed but it wasn't released.


Because there is an ongoing investigation, certified death records and non pubic data (autopsy)documentation, is prohibited from release to the gen. public.. (See Minnesota statue 13.83 Subd.4.) I am pretty sure that things are a bit more specific on that form. IE; time of death. etc.

On the non public data form, it lists manner of death as an accident and that the cause of this accidental death was fentanyl toxicity. That form will not tell you of any other significant conditions ( she placed NA in that column) . I don't know if this "NA" is directly related to the accidental death( as in contributing cause) or, if it means that he didnt have any other signifcant conditions worth noting. I suspect the former.

In addition, there is no way that she would be able to tell if Prince decided to commit suicide at any moment prior to the actual act. The guidelines for determing suicide were not met.

Her releasing that non public data form, created more confusion in the interpretation of what the document really is and what was the reason for its release. It is not a "short form" of another document, nor is it a requirement to list any other information on said form. Furthermore, I never understood why someone representing Prince, or the investigative team, not clear things up a bit about what was being released. It's not as if, we,the general public, are aware of the rules.

Of note, I saw another document where she certified the time of death as 10:07.am as opposed to "unknown". She certified that on June 2nd , I believe. I guess her autopsy report is the same time that the paramedics called it in? What a coincidence! I interpret that to mean that Prince was alive(but unresponsive) when Kirk and others got in the house, but that 15 minutes or so later Prince was dead. Really?

I had no confusion irt what I was looking at when the death report was put out there. There was some kind of blurb at the top of it that explained the info provided was in accordance with state law, so it was clear there'd be nothing more than that. Apparently a lot of people missed that paragraph. PennyPurple had provided info in another post as to why the time was listed as it was and I do believe she is correct about it.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

I don't want trouble. I'm still on probation over that nasty conversation concerning Mayte fucking that prancing peasant in Spain. Best you confirm things for yourself.

And Prince fucking Manuela is legit? (Not saying that you said that, just asking if there are any doublestandards)

Thanks White Dude for being such an honest man...rare and quite appealing!

Mumio said:

Menes said:

I don't know what forum member Fortune and Serendipity's interpretation is, but I think that the confusion is in the interpretation of the forms that have been fed to the public vs. those that are not available to the public.

The public data report that was released is wholly separate from non public data, or certified death is not the only form that is in existence. Nor is it the full and complete picture. See 2017 Minnesota statues 13.83. It is merely part and parcel , protocol for non pubic data and is not the actual certified death record .

AS it relates to cremation : Before creamtion can take place, a "documentation of death worksheet " must be completed and certified for the disposition of a dead body . Prince was cremated in very short time after his death and a death registration must be filed withing days after death and prior to final disposition of the body and certified. That would be certified by the ME.


I think it is fair to say that an autopsy report was never released to the public. It is not accessible to the public unless you are the next of kin, a physician or authorized attorney. I would be willing to wager that things like lividity, body temp, a more precise time of death, etc, is on that form. I have read reports of "Prince's autopsy report released". One may have been performed but it wasn't released.


Because there is an ongoing investigation, certified death records and non pubic data (autopsy)documentation, is prohibited from release to the gen. public.. (See Minnesota statue 13.83 Subd.4.) I am pretty sure that things are a bit more specific on that form. IE; time of death. etc.

On the non public data form, it lists manner of death as an accident and that the cause of this accidental death was fentanyl toxicity. That form will not tell you of any other significant conditions ( she placed NA in that column) . I don't know if this "NA" is directly related to the accidental death( as in contributing cause) or, if it means that he didnt have any other signifcant conditions worth noting. I suspect the former.

In addition, there is no way that she would be able to tell if Prince decided to commit suicide at any moment prior to the actual act. The guidelines for determing suicide were not met.

Her releasing that non public data form, created more confusion in the interpretation of what the document really is and what was the reason for its release. It is not a "short form" of another document, nor is it a requirement to list any other information on said form. Furthermore, I never understood why someone representing Prince, or the investigative team, not clear things up a bit about what was being released. It's not as if, we,the general public, are aware of the rules.

Of note, I saw another document where she certified the time of death as 10:07.am as opposed to "unknown". She certified that on June 2nd , I believe. I guess her autopsy report is the same time that the paramedics called it in? What a coincidence! I interpret that to mean that Prince was alive(but unresponsive) when Kirk and others got in the house, but that 15 minutes or so later Prince was dead. Really?

I had no confusion irt what I was looking at when the death report was put out there. There was some kind of blurb at the top of it that explained the info provided was in accordance with state law, so it was clear there'd be nothing more than that. Apparently a lot of people missed that paragraph. PennyPurple had provided info in another post as to why the time was listed as it was and I do believe she is correct about it.

Yea, I had to brush up on the difference between the public data and non public data forms. I am still puzzled as to why on one form it says 10:07am as time of death, and on the other, it says "unknown". Shouldn't it be the same time?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

And Prince fucking Manuela is legit? (Not saying that you said that, just asking if there are any doublestandards)

Thanks White Dude for being such an honest man...rare and quite appealing!

Thanks Bodhitheblackdog