laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

What you posted is no real evidence, it's you're suggestion. What the Chefs told could also mean an opiod addiction, 'cause this is a Kind of illnes

—The cheafs were accused of poisoning him and their response was to say no we did not and that his health was bad and that they were lied to about it. It is called deductive reasoning. We know what he wanted us to know.

best quote ever, laurarichardson!

lets repeat it together: We know what he wanted us to know! one more: We know what he wanted us to know!
since y'all seem to find so much joy in repetition, continue as often as y'all like.

we all have to deal with his passing but y'all have been diggin deep into his privacy against his wishes again and again and again brewing up the same old assumptions for 1.5 years now. proceeding won't make it easier and I guess the so called truth won't be jumping out of one of those nonsense threads in the near future. and I really really hope those close to him will keep his privacy forever.

why is it so hard for some fans who claim loving him to pay that little respect, honor his wishes and let it go?

(well I personally don't care for an answer ... just give it to yourself quietly)

lemoncrush19 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

lemoncrush19 said:

best quote ever, laurarichardson!

lets repeat it together: We know what he wanted us to know! one more: We know what he wanted us to know!
since y'all seem to find so much joy in repetition, continue as often as y'all like.

we all have to deal with his passing but y'all have been diggin deep into his privacy against his wishes again and again and again brewing up the same old assumptions for 1.5 years now. proceeding won't make it easier and I guess the so called truth won't be jumping out of one of those nonsense threads in the near future. and I really really hope those close to him will keep his privacy forever.

why is it so hard for some fans who claim loving him to pay that little respect, honor his wishes and let it go?

(well I personally don't care for an answer ... just give it to yourself quietly)

Maybe this thread gets locked soon

if u're trying to imply now I would have reported the thread u didn't read or least of all understand my post.

lemoncrush19 said:

I think I started this round of speculation, see post #751.

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Sometimes what is not said is as loud or louder as what actually is said. I came to a conclusion based on reading the Senator from MN's book, which was a great read. I asked for discussion on my theory.

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Hoping for some stimulating conversation, not the same old blah, blah, blah.... some people posting the sames stuff over and over.... no joy in some people's repetition.

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peace, DD55

lemoncrush19 said:

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said: —The cheafs were accused of poisoning him and their response was to say no we did not and that his health was bad and that they were lied to about it. It is called deductive reasoning. We know what he wanted us to know.

best quote ever, laurarichardson!

lets repeat it together: We know what he wanted us to know! one more: We know what he wanted us to know!
since y'all seem to find so much joy in repetition, continue as often as y'all like.

we all have to deal with his passing but y'all have been diggin deep into his privacy against his wishes again and again and again brewing up the same old assumptions for 1.5 years now. proceeding won't make it easier and I guess the so called truth won't be jumping out of one of those nonsense threads in the near future. and I really really hope those close to him will keep his privacy forever.

why is it so hard for some fans who claim loving him to pay that little respect, honor his wishes and let it go?

(well I personally don't care for an answer ... just give it to yourself quietly)

To be fair, i think everyone on here is upset at Prince's early passing. Generally, 57 might not be that young but it's Prince we're talking about. I'm sure many thought he would live to at least 85. On top of which, imo listening to music is the best way to reach 100.

fortuneandserendipity said:

lemoncrush19 said:

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said: —The cheafs were accused of poisoning him and their response was to say no we did not and that his health was bad and that they were lied to about it. It is called deductive reasoning. We know what he wanted us to know.

best quote ever, laurarichardson!

lets repeat it together: We know what he wanted us to know! one more: We know what he wanted us to know!
since y'all seem to find so much joy in repetition, continue as often as y'all like.

we all have to deal with his passing but y'all have been diggin deep into his privacy against his wishes again and again and again brewing up the same old assumptions for 1.5 years now. proceeding won't make it easier and I guess the so called truth won't be jumping out of one of those nonsense threads in the near future. and I really really hope those close to him will keep his privacy forever.

why is it so hard for some fans who claim loving him to pay that little respect, honor his wishes and let it go?

(well I personally don't care for an answer ... just give it to yourself quietly)

My point is don't believe everything you read in the media some people on this board do believe the narrative. I have a right to my opinion and to discuss it and my opinions are being challeged as well as many other poster's opinions. We certainly have the righ to explain and express ourselves.

Also do not assume that all of the information that is known is posted on this board. Prince' privacy is being respected.

DD55 said:

Not everyone plans their suicide the way some might think, and it could be planned (thought about) for a loooooong time, and the person is just waiting for the right time, or something triggers those thoughts into actions. You can make a case either way… many people give away a lot of stuff to people to whom they want to have those things, AND are still making plans. Did P do that? We don’t know.

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Others are more spontaneous in appearance, they have been thinking about it a lot and then one day they decide that is the day. I know someoone who attempted and than God failed. But unfortunately, I know about this all too well. Someone I knew very well, the most gentle kindest women on the planet took her own life in 2010. She went on day to day, working, leading a ’normal’ life, did everything she was supposed to do daily, but in the mean time (about 6 months before her death) bought a gun, registered it, everything was legal, and she had the gun for a months…. then one day said she was going out for a run. Well, you know the end. What did or did not happen on that fateful day? What could have changed the course? We’ll never know.

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Ok, let’s discuss this theory with regards to Prince, ok?

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I have come to a new opinion that Prince’s death was due to suicide. (Pleae don’t run me off the org yet) I’ll tell you what makes me think that. I bought and read Al Frankin’s new book. It is fantastic by the way. He is one of the senators from MN. In the book, he does go into depth regarding the opioid crisis, substance abuse (his own wife had a drinking problem and a very good friend of his had a substance abuse problem) and he speaks to the problem of drugs in general in the USA; he tackles the issue head on, holding nothing back.

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His book went to print a long while after Prince died. How can the Senator from Minnesota talk about the opioid crisis, substance abuse, pain meds out of control, and fentanyl and not once mention MN’s favorite ’son’ Prince? It doesn’t make sense to me…. and as Judge Judy says…if it doesn’t make sense it’s probably not true.

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If P’s death were a simple OD, I think Al Franken would have mentioned it, as it is such a huge loss to everyone, but by omission and not acknowledging Prince’s death, and all the while talking about the drug problem of prescription medications….. IDK, makes me wonder if Al knows something we don’t and he will not print a lie (that Prince died of an accidental OD). That is what makes me think suicide. If course I could be wrong but to me that’s where my opinion is leaning these days.

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What do you'all think?

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Peace, DD55

I think your points are very valid. We have not run across anyone from Minneapolis or from his circle who have said anything about a long time drug problem. Estates cannot sue for defamation so where are the drug stories?

DD55 said:

I think I started this round of speculation, see post #751.

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Sometimes what is not said is as loud or louder as what actually is said. I came to a conclusion based on reading the Senator from MN's book, which was a great read. I asked for discussion on my theory.

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Hoping for some stimulating conversation, not the same old blah, blah, blah.... some people posting the sames stuff over and over.... no joy in some people's repetition.

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peace, DD55

Franken is a pretty straight forward guy. It is odd that he did not mention Prince since he was talking about opioid crisis.

Menes said:

purplefam99 said:

Menes said: Well I thought so, but maybe I’m tired. I’m not afraid of considering suicide as a cause of death, but I just am not feeling this theory. He seemed lonely but did A lot to never really be alone. I see a bit of this but not a load.

I understand . Aggregate critierias should be aplied.

Take the single example of the perceived burdensomeness and its relation to self worth: In essence , a person experiencing this form of stimuli, feels that others would be better off if she/he were dead. Of what you know of Prince( and his resistance in asking for help of any kind), would you say that after his near death experience, his non-reaction to the event is parallel with this theory?

Secondly, as it relates to the fear death, I think the article(s) are a bit more in depth than perhaps what you may have written. It is "acquired"which means there must be evidence of life experiences/pain/suffering/destructive behavior in order to weaken ones fear of death. Of what you know of Prince, are there any life experiences/pain/suffering/desctructive behavior that may have altered his perception or weaken his fear of death?

thanks for your reply. i was tired. i see some of your points more clearly today. not completely sure

of the strength of this theory in his regard and from my outside view, but of course i can see some parallels.

the "acquired" bit about death puzzles me a bit, cause i do think people here and elsewhere share some of those suffering, painful life experiences that P had, we all suffer from those, i can think of

3 that i share with him and they haven't weakend my fear of death. no more than i think normal

for a person of my age who has lived 1/2 of a life. i know the end is now more in sight than before.

so that one kinda puzzles me. but i could still be tired. . thx.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Sheila E. said that’s the man she knew, too.

“It’s just like being a football player and a basketball player. You know he really took care of himself. He ate well. He ate better than me,” she said.

She said she hadn’t talked to him for at least six months but tried to reach him after reading reports that he needed emergency medical attention. She said the man who answered told her Prince was sleeping and would let him know she called.

“He said he was good,” she said.

So if it was suicide, why didn't P reach out to Sheila E before he commits such an act? She said it was six months earlier when they last spoke. Didn't some of ya'll say he reached out to old friends and that this could be an evidence that he killed himself? If so, why didn't he reach out for her? Doesn't seem right.

Mayte said the same, she tried to reach him in January and that a guy just said that P was alright, she never got to talk to him.

Somebody also said that they got an E-mail from Prince and it was cryptic implying that he wanted to say goodbye to her. Was it Tamron? It was different than the ones he would usually send out. I can't remember who it was.

OzlemUcucu said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

OzlemUcucu said:

Somebody also said that they got an E-mail from Prince and it was cryptic implying that he wanted to say goodbye to her. Was it Tamron? It was different than the ones he would usually send out. I can't remember who it was.

That's the first time I heard that now. Is that a rumour or a fact?

I remember reading that, yes. Most his associates said after he died that he was reaching out to them but he was cryptic. He invited some to PP but didn't meet and some other crazy things. I think it was Tamron.

I don't understand however why it is so difficult to some of you to understand that he was addicted. He had to take those meds to function, to perform, this was his job. Performing was his job, he lived for what he loved, and Prince was a very proud man. He chose to continue to perform and live for the music, and ultimately died for it or cause of it. It's very easy to understand for me. He was a proud man, that's all that he wanted. It's not week it's being very strong, actually.

purplefam99 said:

Menes said:

I understand . Aggregate critierias should be aplied.

Take the single example of the perceived burdensomeness and its relation to self worth: In essence , a person experiencing this form of stimuli, feels that others would be better off if she/he were dead. Of what you know of Prince( and his resistance in asking for help of any kind), would you say that after his near death experience, his non-reaction to the event is parallel with this theory?

Secondly, as it relates to the fear death, I think the article(s) are a bit more in depth than perhaps what you may have written. It is "acquired"which means there must be evidence of life experiences/pain/suffering/destructive behavior in order to weaken ones fear of death. Of what you know of Prince, are there any life experiences/pain/suffering/desctructive behavior that may have altered his perception or weaken his fear of death?

thanks for your reply. i was tired. i see some of your points more clearly today. not completely sure

of the strength of this theory in his regard and from my outside view, but of course i can see some parallels.

the "acquired" bit about death puzzles me a bit, cause i do think people here and elsewhere share some of those suffering, painful life experiences that P had, we all suffer from those, i can think of

3 that i share with him and they haven't weakend my fear of death. no more than i think normal

for a person of my age who has lived 1/2 of a life. i know the end is now more in sight than before.

so that one kinda puzzles me. but i could still be tired. . thx.

Once you start factoring things like epigenetics, upbringing, interpersonal skills,death ideations, destructive behaviorial traits, guilt,shame, and lastly, the destruction of the facade, thoughts related to the fear of death probably won't be the same for you as it was for him. Unless of course, your life mirrored his.

Either way, he was a very brilliant and clever man who disarmed the world with charm and talent unmatched by any other artist I've ever known.

However, the burning and unusual decision to risk the same outcome by ingesting a chemical that he knew could kill him in but a few days between events, is tantamount to him being:


1. Insane ( we know he wasn't).


2. Ignorant of the end result it could/would produce( we know he wasn't).


3. An extremely addicted fiend with no control .


4. Someone who was a few steps ahead of us in regards to how he wanted to deal with it all.

OzlemUcucu said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I believe that too, I never said something else. Years of dancing in heels took it's toll on him. Sheila E stated her pain, just imagine his pain. I even don't think it's shame to be addicted.

—It is a wild assumption to make that he was ashamed of his addiction. All this talk of emotional pain. Why does it not occur to you that he was in physical pain and wanted it to end? What would you do if you saw no end to pain and it was about to get worst? [Edited 10/24/17 14:28pm]

Suicide.

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

purplefam99 said:

thanks for your reply. i was tired. i see some of your points more clearly today. not completely sure

of the strength of this theory in his regard and from my outside view, but of course i can see some parallels.

the "acquired" bit about death puzzles me a bit, cause i do think people here and elsewhere share some of those suffering, painful life experiences that P had, we all suffer from those, i can think of

3 that i share with him and they haven't weakend my fear of death. no more than i think normal

for a person of my age who has lived 1/2 of a life. i know the end is now more in sight than before.

so that one kinda puzzles me. but i could still be tired. . thx.

Once you start factoring things like epigenetics, upbringing, interpersonal skills,death ideations, destructive behaviorial traits, guilt,shame, and lastly, the destruction of the facade, thoughts related to the fear of death probably won't be the same for you as it was for him. Unless of course, your life mirrored his.

Either way, he was a very brilliant and clever man who disarmed the world with charm and talent unmatched by any other artist I've ever known.

However, the burning and unusual decision to risk the same outcome by ingesting a chemical that he knew could kill him in but a few days between events, is tantamount to him being:


1. Insane ( we know he wasn't).


2. Ignorant of the end result it could/would produce( we know he wasn't).


3. An extremely addicted fiend with no control .


4. Someone who was a few steps ahead of us in regards to how he wanted to deal with it all.

but isn't that what addiction is. the body needs it now. i think addiction is a beast and that is

why one usually needs help, rehab, methodone, therapy in order to break the addiction. i think

2, he was truly ignorant to self admin drugs and get them from the street. sorry P, that was ignorant.

3, yes an addict that too no judgement , but yes that too

4, maybe so in that last week losing control, sad about other death, kinda good with what he had done and oh again losing some control that he loved, yep he could have choosen 4.

i do see your points tho.

purplefam99 said:

Menes said:

Once you start factoring things like epigenetics, upbringing, interpersonal skills,death ideations, destructive behaviorial traits, guilt,shame, and lastly, the destruction of the facade, thoughts related to the fear of death probably won't be the same for you as it was for him. Unless of course, your life mirrored his.

Either way, he was a very brilliant and clever man who disarmed the world with charm and talent unmatched by any other artist I've ever known.

However, the burning and unusual decision to risk the same outcome by ingesting a chemical that he knew could kill him in but a few days between events, is tantamount to him being:


1. Insane ( we know he wasn't).


2. Ignorant of the end result it could/would produce( we know he wasn't).


3. An extremely addicted fiend with no control .


4. Someone who was a few steps ahead of us in regards to how he wanted to deal with it all.

but isn't that what addiction is. the body needs it now. i think addiction is a beast and that is

why one usually needs help, rehab, methodone, therapy in order to break the addiction. i think

2, he was truly ignorant to self admin drugs and get them from the street. sorry P, that was ignorant.

3, yes an addict that too no judgement , but yes that too

4, maybe so in that last week losing control, sad about other death, kinda good with what he had done and oh again losing some control that he loved, yep he could have choosen 4.

i do see your points tho.

Well, if one believes that he was reduced to a fiend chasing the same high that nearly killed him days before( which by the way, is common amongst hardcore addicts), you gotta think about what kind of person we are talking about here.


That is not the kind of secret Prince would want getting out. Something drastic had to be done once that secret was out. That secret that got out, destroyed a lot of what he preached and fought against, which would make him out to be the biggest hypocrite in the industry.

There is a lot of shame and guilt associated with such a disaster. Voluntary rehab. was probably not the first on the agenda that fateful night.

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I believe that too, I never said something else. Years of dancing in heels took it's toll on him. Sheila E stated her pain, just imagine his pain. I even don't think it's shame to be addicted.

—It is a wild assumption to make that he was ashamed of his addiction. All this talk of emotional pain. Why does it not occur to you that he was in physical pain and wanted it to end? What would you do if you saw no end to pain and it was about to get worst? [Edited 10/24/17 14:28pm]

Don't be silly. Prince was a religious man, and he had a strong head and a strong will. What you are saying is so against his beliefs. I don't think he ever considered killing himself unless he had an illness such as dementia that would have prevented him to do what he couldn't stop which is creating music. He lived for his music.

As I wrote before he died for what he loved most. In my eyes he was a very strong man.

And yes, this is something he would have been extremely ashamed of if he had lived without performing, because we are talking about a very proud man, but regardless he just didn't want to stop. Have you never met anybody who was willing to die for something that they loved most? I think this is what he wanted to be remembered for. This is his will.

Anyway, I will never believe in any other theories. Presuming any other theories is not what he stood for and I doubt it was in his heart. Wake up.

[Edited 10/24/17 16:09pm]

OzlemUcucu said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

OzlemUcucu said:

Don't be silly. Prince was a religious man, and he had a strong head and a strong will. What you are saying is so against his beliefs. I don't think he ever considered killing himself unless he had an illness such as dementia that would have prevented him to do what he couldn't stop which is creating music. He lived for his music.

As I wrote before he died for what he loved most. In my eyes he was a very strong man.

And yes, this is something he would have been extremely ashamed of if he had lived without performing, because we are talking about a very proud man, but regardless he just didn't want to stop. Have you never met anybody who was willing to die for something that they loved most? I think this is what he wanted to be remembered for. This is his will.

Anyway, I will never believe in any other theories. Presuming any other theories is not what he stood for and I doubt it was in his heart. Wake up.

[Edited 10/24/17 16:09pm]

All of what you said Ozlem!

I know I am right. I was so in tears when I had realized the next day after he died, how he must have felt to be ashamed, it made him so human. To be ashamed is not a weakness, it is a very strong trait. He had such strong principles and he was so proud. This is so Prince. So much love from Prince. He gave so much.

I don't want to go into debates about this issue because this is a topic I get very upset about, so I am not going to comment to anyone objecting my opinion. Thx

OzlemUcucu said:

OzlemUcucu said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

OzlemUcucu said: All of what you said Ozlem!

I know I am right. I was so in tears when I had realized the next day after he died, how he must have felt to be ashamed, it made him so human. To be ashamed is not a weakness, it is a very strong trait. He had such strong principles and he was so proud. This is so Prince. So much love from Prince. He gave so much.

I don't want to go into debates about this issue because this is a topic I get very upset about, so I am not going to comment to anyone objecting my opinion. Thx

If you know you are right, why would you get so upset over varying opinions on this thread ?What good is it doing to comment in the first place? After all, you know you are right.

I think Bodhi mentioned the shame factor several pages back, and everyone jumped on that poster....wonder why the silence with this other poster and the shame factor?

Menes said:

OzlemUcucu said:

I know I am right. I was so in tears when I had realized the next day after he died, how he must have felt to be ashamed, it made him so human. To be ashamed is not a weakness, it is a very strong trait. He had such strong principles and he was so proud. This is so Prince. So much love from Prince. He gave so much.

I don't want to go into debates about this issue because this is a topic I get very upset about, so I am not going to comment to anyone objecting my opinion. Thx

If you know you are right, why would you get so upset over varying opinions on this thread ?What good is it doing to comment in the first place? After all, you know you are right.

Because I visit the org very often but rarely post and when I read very obscure opinions it makes me wonder. Some folks project their own world beliefs onto Prince, which has nothing to do with him. They rather hear themselves talk instead of talking about Prince. There are no theories concerning his death. The facts are out there and if you have been a fan for long you would know about this. He told us everything that he wanted us to know. Just accept it and respect his decision. Any other shit is irrelevant and only exists in your head.