ThatWhiteDude said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Thanks to a certain poster ( you know who you are) who laid out the claim more eloquently than I did.

I had to revisit any possible connection to Prince and suicide . Specifcally , what interpersonal theories could be assigned based upon what we know of Princes's life and his longstanding reactions to the events in his life.

Criterias : Epigenetics, upbringing, interpersonal skills, death ideations and percieved failures.

I am of the opinion that what appears to be unplanned, is but a perception by some that Prince was incapabale of fostering any thoughts of ending his life simply because he had plans for the future... (insert here whatever reasonable explanation you deem applicable).

However, there is enough empirical evidence quite to the contrary.

What is required is a consise review of historical data to support a consistent pattern of planning even when it appears to be unplanned. It can also be stated that there is enough evidence to support that plans that never manifested as scripted , were met with impulsive reactions that appear to reinforce both negative and positive behavior.


This is in no way an exact science , nor does it rescind the M.E.'s cause death. Rather, it gives those of us who are more agreeable to the idea of suicide (as a cause of death), scientific information, observations and a comprehensive framework that supports our claim.

Here are some really insightfulful articles on the abovementioned, its relation to operant conditioning , impulsivity and suicide.

Revisiting Impulsivity in Suicide - NCBI - NIH Quick scan: Abstract paragraph (3) - Role of impulsivity in suicide.

Interpersonal theory of suicide - Wikipedia I loathe Wiki, but it mirrored (Joiner 2005)

For the record, I to believe that he was too brilliant to feign ignorance about what he was ingesting or what the subsequent results of said chemicals would eventually produce. As in death.

Menes said:

Thanks to a certain poster ( you know who you are) who laid out the claim more eloquently than I did.

I had to revisit any possible connection to Prince and suicide . Specifcally , what interpersonal theories could be assigned based upon what we know of Princes's life and his longstanding reactions to the events in his life.

Criterias : Epigenetics, upbringing, interpersonal skills, death ideations and percieved failures.

I am of the opinion that what appears to be unplanned, is but a perception by some that Prince was incapabale of fostering any thoughts of ending his life simply because he had plans for the future... (insert here whatever reasonable explanation you deem applicable).

However, there is enough empirical evidence quite to the contrary.

What is required is a consise review of historical data to support a consistent pattern of planning even when it appears to be unplanned. It can also be stated that there is enough evidence to support that plans that never manifested as scripted , were met with impulsive reactions that appear to reinforce both negative and positive behavior.


This is in no way an exact science , nor does it rescind the M.E.'s cause death. Rather, it gives those of us who are more agreeable to the idea of suicide (as a cause of death), scientific information, observations and a comprehensive framework that supports our claim.

Here are some really insightfulful articles on the abovementioned, its relation to operant conditioning , impulsivity and suicide.

Revisiting Impulsivity in...NCBI - NIH Quick scan: Abstract paragraph (3) - Role of impulsivity in suicide.

Interpersonal theory of s... Wikipedia I loathe Wiki, but it mirrored (Joiner 2005)

For the record, I to believe that he was too brilliant to feign ignorance about what he was ingesting or what the subsequent results of said chemicals would eventually produce. As in death.

impulsive, dramatic, secretive, unconventional, willful, stubborn, isolated, controlling, lonely, in pain, arrogant, rich, resourceful, determined....but, no, no one ever called him stupid.

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Here are my last 2cs about the Tyka Interview: So she said that he called two years before he died and he told her that: "He said acomplished everything that's possible, he had done everything he could." (That's not the original Quote). She just said that, nothing more and then jumps to the conclusion that he prepared her two years earlier? If she didn't plan to get more specific she should've shut her mouth, 'cause she only created more controversy. If that was the only, thing he told her, then there's NO reason to think that he knew that he was dying! She just jumped to a conclusion, for whatever the reason was!

Why are you ignoring what she said about knowing about death two years ahead?

I'm not ignoring that, but she said that because he told her that. She didn't even hint, that he ever said something else. My point is that she should've shut her mouth if won't get any more specific, all her interview caused is more controversy!!

ThatWhiteDude said:

I'm not ignoring that, but she said that because he told her that. She didn't even hint, that he ever said something else. My point is that she should've shut her mouth if won't get any more specific, all her interview caused is more controversy!!

But that is what the family and friends do....Just like Prince. They never come right out and say anything, without talking in riddles.

You know what pisses me off? It seems like some fans just can't wrap their head around that Prince probably got hooked on these pills and just catched a hot pill!

You got no real evidence that this was suicide, yet you almost insist, because in your world that's the only acceptable thing, you know what I think? Ya'll just can't deal with the official cause of his death, it seems like you got to find a solution that makes it less hard to accept.

Like as some said: "If it was suicide, I could accept that, if he thought that he can't take it no more."

IF IT WAS SUICIDE WHY SHOULD THEY KEEP IT A SECRET?? THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT. THERE ARE SO MANY SINGERS THAT KILLED THEMSELVES AND NO ONE EVER KEPT IT A SECRET.

Funny that none of his family hints a suicide, but some fans seem to know him better tho. Ridiculous.

In another thread Mumio said: "Well, I trust my eyes and my heart." Oh yeah? I trust the people who actually knew him personally and said that he had infact a problem with his hip! WHY WOULD THEY LIE? And is it really so unbelieveble?

SERIOUS QUESTION: Why do you think it was suicide? None of his camp does, if you noticed some strange behaviour without actually meeting him in person, why did no one around him say so?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

Thanks to a certain poster ( you know who you are) who laid out the claim more eloquently than I did.

I had to revisit any possible connection to Prince and suicide . Specifcally , what interpersonal theories could be assigned based upon what we know of Princes's life and his longstanding reactions to the events in his life.

Criterias : Epigenetics, upbringing, interpersonal skills, death ideations and percieved failures.

I am of the opinion that what appears to be unplanned, is but a perception by some that Prince was incapabale of fostering any thoughts of ending his life simply because he had plans for the future... (insert here whatever reasonable explanation you deem applicable).

However, there is enough empirical evidence quite to the contrary.

What is required is a consise review of historical data to support a consistent pattern of planning even when it appears to be unplanned. It can also be stated that there is enough evidence to support that plans that never manifested as scripted , were met with impulsive reactions that appear to reinforce both negative and positive behavior.


This is in no way an exact science , nor does it rescind the M.E.'s cause death. Rather, it gives those of us who are more agreeable to the idea of suicide (as a cause of death), scientific information, observations and a comprehensive framework that supports our claim.

Here are some really insightfulful articles on the abovementioned, its relation to operant conditioning , impulsivity and suicide.

Revisiting Impulsivity in Suicide - NCBI - NIH Quick scan: Abstract paragraph (3) - Role of impulsivity in suicide.

Interpersonal theory of suicide - Wikipedia I loathe Wiki, but it mirrored (Joiner 2005)

For the record, I to believe that he was too brilliant to feign ignorance about what he was ingesting or what the subsequent results of said chemicals would eventually produce. As in death.

impulsive, dramatic, secretive, unconventional, willful, stubborn, isolated, controlling, lonely, in pain, arrogant, rich, resourceful, determined....but, no, no one ever called him stupid.

And yet, in some strange way, I grew up wanting him to never change a single thing about the way he was (sans the pain of course). It would be interesting to know what his parents were really like. Everything in this universe has a story.

PennyPurple said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I'm not ignoring that, but she said that because he told her that. She didn't even hint, that he ever said something else. My point is that she should've shut her mouth if won't get any more specific, all her interview caused is more controversy!!

But that is what the family and friends do....Just like Prince. They never come right out and say anything, without talking in riddles.

I still think that she just jumped to the conclusion if that's all he said to her. She should have be quiet, this caused another controversy. Prince didn't look like he had cancer or any other illness.

My uncle looks even worse, he's just an addict! No one ever says: "Damn, he looks sick." No he just looks like an addict. And he is, he's addicted to cannabis.

ThatWhiteDude said:

You know what pisses me off? It seems like some fans just can't wrap their head around that Prince probably got hooked on these pills and just catched a hot pill!

You got no real evidence that this was suicide, yet you almost insist, because in your world that's the only acceptable thing, you know what I think? Ya'll just can't deal with the official cause of his death, it seems like you got to find a solution that makes it less hard to accept.

Like as some said: "If it was suicide, I could accept that, if he thought that he can't take it no more."

IF IT WAS SUICIDE WHY SHOULD THEY KEEP IT A SECRET?? THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT. THERE ARE SO MANY SINGERS THAT KILLED THEMSELVES AND NO ONE EVER KEPT IT A SECRET.

Funny that none of his family hints a suicide, but some fans seem to know him better tho. Ridiculous.

In another thread Mumio said: "Well, I trust my eyes and my heart." Oh yeah? I trust the people who actually knew him personally and said that he had infact a problem with his hip! WHY WOULD THEY LIE? And is it really so unbelieveble?

SERIOUS QUESTION: Why do you think it was suicide? None of his camp does, if you noticed some strange behaviour without actually meeting him in person, why did no one around him say so?

I thought you were tired of the discussion? Second wind?

Menes said:

purplefam99 said:

Menes said:

Thanks to a certain poster ( you know who you are) who laid out the claim more eloquently than I did.

I had to revisit any possible connection to Prince and suicide . Specifcally , what interpersonal theories could be assigned based upon what we know of Princes's life and his longstanding reactions to the events in his life.

Criterias : Epigenetics, upbringing, interpersonal skills, death ideations and percieved failures.

I am of the opinion that what appears to be unplanned, is but a perception by some that Prince was incapabale of fostering any thoughts of ending his life simply because he had plans for the future... (insert here whatever reasonable explanation you deem applicable).

However, there is enough empirical evidence quite to the contrary.

What is required is a consise review of historical data to support a consistent pattern of planning even when it appears to be unplanned. It can also be stated that there is enough evidence to support that plans that never manifested as scripted , were met with impulsive reactions that appear to reinforce both negative and positive behavior.


This is in no way an exact science , nor does it rescind the M.E.'s cause death. Rather, it gives those of us who are more agreeable to the idea of suicide (as a cause of death), scientific information, observations and a comprehensive framework that supports our claim.

Here are some really insightfulful articles on the abovementioned, its relation to operant conditioning , impulsivity and suicide.

Revisiting Impulsivity in Suicide - NCBI - NIH Quick scan: Abstract paragraph (3) - Role of impulsivity in suicide.

Interpersonal theory of suicide - Wikipedia I loathe Wiki, but it mirrored (Joiner 2005)

For the record, I to believe that he was too brilliant to feign ignorance about what he was ingesting or what the subsequent results of said chemicals would eventually produce. As in death.

Hmmmm interesting, I don’t really see the burdensomenes being worth more dead than alive angle. And the ability to overcome the fears of ones death. He didn’t Really engage in on the edge activities. Racing cars, skydiving, BASE jumping, not even water skiing. I mean he played it really safe even his biking habits were of the cruiser bike with basket than bmx with pegs. I don’t know if I can see how this theory applies to Prince. Interesting articles tho.

Are you factoring in all of the abovementioned criterias?

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Here are my last 2cs about the Tyka Interview: So she said that he called two years before he died and he told her that: "He said acomplished everything that's possible, he had done everything he could." (That's not the original Quote). She just said that, nothing more and then jumps to the conclusion that he prepared her two years earlier? If she didn't plan to get more specific she should've shut her mouth, 'cause she only created more controversy. If that was the only, thing he told her, then there's NO reason to think that he knew that he was dying! She just jumped to a conclusion, for whatever the reason was!

Why are you ignoring what she said about knowing about death two years ahead?

Why are you ignoring her other comments? Can you answer the question that IF he told her that he'd die soon, then why didn't she had the codes for his vault? She seems like the only person that was prepared, she even said it herself. "I was prepared, everyone else wasn't" Then why didn't he give her the code for the vault? It doesn't make sense. And do you really believe that if he knew his time was up soon, that he wouldn't leave a will? Mayte stated that he had one when she was around, she even wondered where it was.

She's full of shit, she got asked what she's missing the most: "I don't miss anything." Oh really? That guy helped you through your addiction! EVEN IF YOU'RE PREPARED YOU ARE NEVER FULLY READY.

Ever thought of that she could've planned it? (Not that I believe that, 'cause there's no real evidence), but think about the Quote: "He's gone." And her coldness after receiving this message.

Not logical enough? Hmm, suicide ain't too logical either, but if we jump to conclusions, why not to the conclusion that Tyka got him killed? The reason? Maybe she's addicted again and needed the money.

Menes said:

purplefam99 said:

Menes said:

Are you factoring in all of the abovementioned criterias?

Well I thought so, but maybe I’m tired. I’m not afraid of considering suicide as a cause of death, but I just am not feeling this theory. He seemed lonely but did A lot to never really be alone. I see a bit of this but not a load.

I understand . Aggregate critierias should be aplied.

Take the single example of the perceived burdensomeness and its relation to self worth: In essence , a person experiencing this form of stimuli, feels that others would be better off if she/he were dead. Of what you know of Prince( and his resistance in asking for help of any kind), would you say that after his near death experience, his non-reaction to the event is parallel with this theory?

Secondly, as it relates to the fear death, I think the article(s) are a bit more in depth than perhaps what you may have written. It is "acquired"which means there must be evidence of life experiences/pain/suffering/destructive behavior in order to weaken ones fear of death. Of what you know of Prince, are there any life experiences/pain/suffering/desctructive behavior that may have altered his perception or weaken his fear of death?

ThatWhiteDude said:

PennyPurple said:

But that is what the family and friends do....Just like Prince. They never come right out and say anything, without talking in riddles.

I still think that she just jumped to the conclusion if that's all he said to her. She should have be quiet, this caused another controversy. Prince didn't look like he had cancer or any other illness.

My uncle looks even worse, he's just an addict! No one ever says: "Damn, he looks sick." No he just looks like an addict. And he is, he's addicted to cannabis.

He did look sick. You go back and you look at the last pictures and he did look ill. Look how thin he looked, in some pictures he even looked pale. He was also having problems with his stomach and possibly throat. He couldn't eat, the chef's told us that. Could be from the pills, disease, or depression. Don't know and I doubt we'll ever know.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Why are you ignoring her other comments? Can you answer the question that IF he told her that he'd die soon, then why didn't she had the codes for his vault? She seems like the only person that was prepared, she even said it herself. "I was prepared, everyone else wasn't" Then why didn't he give her the code for the vault? It doesn't make sense. And do you really believe that if he knew his time was up soon, that he wouldn't leave a will? Mayte stated that he had one when she was around, she even wondered where it was.

She's full of shit, she got asked what she's missing the most: "I don't miss anything." Oh really? That guy helped you through your addiction! EVEN IF YOU'RE PREPARED YOU ARE NEVER FULLY READY.

Ever thought of that she could've planned it? (Not that I believe that, 'cause there's no real evidence), but think about the Quote: "He's gone." And her coldness after receiving this message.

Not logical enough? Hmm, suicide ain't too logical either, but if we jump to conclusions, why not to the conclusion that Tyka got him killed? The reason? Maybe she's addicted again and needed the money.

I don't believe for a minute that anybody killed him on purpose. He bought the pills off of the streets and you never know what you are going to get, when you do something like that.

PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Did you actually read my post? There was nothing 'simplistic' in what i was saying. The ME's main job was to determine, first of all, whether P died as a result of underlying health issue/terminal illness VS dying of self-administered substances/acute toxicity.

Because there were no underlying health issues that could have brought about early death, 'Hickam's Dictum' has about as much relevance here as Monty Pythons' Bigus Dickus!?

I think you're reading too much into these latin terms and trying to escape a good argument by arguing about semantics instead.

Any additional health issues Prince had would not be listed on the short report if the did not directly cause his death. We have no idea what health issues he had and it irrational to assume he had none.

There is no circumstantial evidence to suggest Prince had any underlying illness, other than opiate withdrawal and bone pain.

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Q: Tyka is quoted as saying she had known for 2 years and had already "made peace" by the time of his passing, was it a shock to you or had you "made peace" too? A: An absolute shock, and no, there was no idea of that on my part. This is what Sharon said, Tyka is the only one that suggested this shit. Why would he only inform her?

He was not close to that part of the family. He was closer with Tyka and maybe Omarr. Some of his older 1/2 siblings hadn't ever been to Paisley Park.

PennyPurple said: