OzlemUcucu said:

Menes said:

If you know you are right, why would you get so upset over varying opinions on this thread ?What good is it doing to comment in the first place? After all, you know you are right.

Because I visit the org very often but rarely post and when I read very obscure opinions it makes me wonder. Some folks project their own world beliefs onto Prince, which has nothing to do with him. They rather hear themselves talk instead of talking about Prince. There are no theories concerning his death. The facts are out there and if you have been a fan for long you would know about this. He told us everything that he wanted us to know. Just accept it and respect his decision. Any other shit is irrelevant and only exists in your head.

Yes ,yes yes. Your presence is well felt and duly noted.

1. Because you "visit the org very often but rarely post "= I am right.

2. "When I read very obscure opinions it makes me wonder"= I am right.

3."Some folks project their own world beliefs onto Prince which has nothing to do with him= I knew him better than you did, but I'm not projecting any of my thoughts or feelings on the matter.

4. "They are no theories concerning his death"= I dont need one. I have the facts.

5. "The facts are out there and if you have been a fan long enough, you would know about this" = whatever I believe to be true is true since I have the facts.

6. "He told us everything that he wanted us to know" = Of course. Usually, people who are dependent on a substance dont divulge such information to the general public.

7. "Just accept it and respect his decision"= Which one? The right to overdose? The right to not seek help? Or is it his right to die ? Ok. It was his right.

8. "Any other shit is irrelevant and only exist in your head" = What's in yours? Prince?

Menes, it's always a pleasure to see you

Menes said:

Mumio said:

Menes, it's always a pleasure to see you

Mumio, Hi! How are ya?

I've been doing good staying out of trouble and on topic!

purplefam99 said:

Menes said:

Well, if one believes that he was reduced to a fiend chasing the same high that nearly killed him days before( which by the way, is common amongst hardcore addicts), you gotta think about what kind of person we are talking about here.


That is not the kind of secret Prince would want getting out. Something drastic had to be done once that secret was out. That secret that got out, destroyed a lot of what he preached and fought against, which would make him out to be the biggest hypocrite in the industry.

There is a lot of shame and guilt associated with such a disaster. Voluntary rehab. was probably not the first on the agenda that fateful night.

You believe the “I was fighting to get back into my body story” by JH. I don’t think someone who would say those words really would want to die less than a week Later. And that confounds the no fear of death theory. But a lot could have happened mentally with him between Moline and 4/21, I can admit that. [Edited 10/24/17 18:15pm]

She said a lot of things. If I'm not mistaken she also stated that he agreed to seek help/therapy shortly after that. That didn't turn out to be the case. If he wasn't willing to get medical help for his condition the conventional way, I dont see Prince entering rehab for the world to know.

But if we believe everything someone said , we might as well throw Tyka's comments in there which she seemed to make his death appear to be a pre-determined event orchestrated by him. Or at least something she was prepared for. She never really elaborated on it and the interviewer should've been placed on probation for not getting that out of her. It's not that I dont believe either, but it's all speculation.

As you stated, a lot happened between that flight and when he died, to include but not limited to, a lot of heavy srcutiny from just about every source you could think of.

purplefam99 said:

Tyka, we love your brother if that isn’t painfully obvious. So I think she had a strong feeling. Anyone here get those? Strong premonitions. If we are to believe that Prince was gifted, I believe equally there are people who possess this gift. That is what I think tyka’s Statement was about. She had a strong feeling that stuck with her she knew in someway death was lingering near And in waiting for her brother. She knew it. I believe her and whatever she felt. I will not discount it, ever. [Edited 10/24/17 18:47pm]

I can understand that.

Here's a question for you...

How do you feel about either of these two statements:

1. Prince , the addict, could not resist his addiction and subsequently died of it.

2. Prince committed suicide in order to not deal with the aftermath/ revelation of his addiction .

Menes said:

Menes said:

purplefam99 said:

Tyka, we love your brother if that isn’t painfully obvious. So I think she had a strong feeling. Anyone here get those? Strong premonitions. If we are to believe that Prince was gifted, I believe equally there are people who possess this gift. That is what I think tyka’s Statement was about. She had a strong feeling that stuck with her she knew in someway death was lingering near And in waiting for her brother. She knew it. I believe her and whatever she felt. I will not discount it, ever. [Edited 10/24/17 18:47pm]

I can understand that.

Here's a question for you...

How do you feel about either of these two statements:

1. Prince , the addict, could not resist his addiction and subsequently died of it.

2. Prince committed suicide in order to not deal with the aftermath/ revelation of his addiction .

Menes, you forgot #3

3. Prince was terminally ill so there was no reason for him to go to rehab. Prince decided to die with dignity to stop the madness since eventually he was going to be bed ridden and would never allow for others to assist him in his final days.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Menes said:

I can understand that.

Here's a question for you...

How do you feel about either of these two statements:

1. Prince , the addict, could not resist his addiction and subsequently died of it.

2. Prince committed suicide in order to not deal with the aftermath/ revelation of his addiction .

Menes, you forgot #3

3. Prince was terminally ill so there was no reason for him to go to rehab. Prince decided to die with dignity to stop the madness since eventually he was going to be bed ridden and would never allow for others to assist him in his final days.

I personally feel that #3 is the most probable, given everything that we now know, as hard as it is to think of.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Menes said:

I can understand that.

Here's a question for you...

How do you feel about either of these two statements:

1. Prince , the addict, could not resist his addiction and subsequently died of it.

2. Prince committed suicide in order to not deal with the aftermath/ revelation of his addiction .

Menes, you forgot #3

3. Prince was terminally ill so there was no reason for him to go to rehab. Prince decided to die with dignity to stop the madness since eventually he was going to be bed ridden and would never allow for others to assist him in his final days.

Ok. Let's add #3 ( as in he was terminally ill and decided to stop the madness) to the follow up. You can add whatever illness you decide.

Using your own general knowledge of Prince, of these 3 possibilities, which story line do you believe would have preserved his legacy in the most favorable light ?

* Please keep in mind that I am narrowing the timeline to after the moline incident and his decision thereafter, specifically.

Menes said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Menes, you forgot #3

3. Prince was terminally ill so there was no reason for him to go to rehab. Prince decided to die with dignity to stop the madness since eventually he was going to be bed ridden and would never allow for others to assist him in his final days.

Ok. Let's add #3 ( as in he was terminally ill and decided to stop the madness) to the follow up. You can add whatever illness you decide.

Using your own general knowledge of Prince, of these 3 possibilities, which story line do you believe would have preserved his legacy in the most favorable light ?

* Please keep in mind that I am narrowing the timeline to after the moline incident and his decision thereafter, specifically.

His legacy will be fine. I do not like the drug addict tag but I have to admit I do not see him getting trashed in the media for being a junkie. I suspect because the stories and evidence do not exsist to back up the narravtive.

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

Ok. Let's add #3 ( as in he was terminally ill and decided to stop the madness) to the follow up. You can add whatever illness you decide.

Using your own general knowledge of Prince, of these 3 possibilities, which story line do you believe would have preserved his legacy in the most favorable light ?

* Please keep in mind that I am narrowing the timeline to after the moline incident and his decision thereafter, specifically.

His legacy will be fine. I do not like the drug addict tag but I have to admit I do not see him getting trashed in the media for being a junkie. I suspect because the stories and evidence do not exsist to back up the narravtive.

Someone did make a comment about a Southpark episode on Facebook. There's a thread here on the org from a few days ago: http://prince.org/msg/7/448161 I did not see the episode so can't say if true or not.

[Edited 10/25/17 8:02am]

Menes said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Menes, you forgot #3

3. Prince was terminally ill so there was no reason for him to go to rehab. Prince decided to die with dignity to stop the madness since eventually he was going to be bed ridden and would never allow for others to assist him in his final days.

Ok. Let's add #3 ( as in he was terminally ill and decided to stop the madness) to the follow up. You can add whatever illness you decide.

Using your own general knowledge of Prince, of these 3 possibilities, which story line do you believe would have preserved his legacy in the most favorable light ?

* Please keep in mind that I am narrowing the timeline to after the moline incident and his decision thereafter, specifically.

#3 as written by ISLIJAG. Medication use as needed for performance injuries to his body over the years, then increasing use due to illness to control escalating pain. I know not everyone sees things the way I do, but I am in favor of a person's right to die with dignity if terminally ill. No one should have to suffer in those circumstances.

[Edited 10/25/17 8:29am]

Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

His legacy will be fine. I do not like the drug addict tag but I have to admit I do not see him getting trashed in the media for being a junkie. I suspect because the stories and evidence do not exsist to back up the narravtive.

Someone did make a comment about a Southpark episode on Facebook. There's a thread here on the org from a few days ago: http://prince.org/msg/7/448161 I did not see the episode so can't say if true or not.

[Edited 10/25/17 8:02am]

Well Southpark makes fun of everybody and Prince may have been to conservative in his later years for the Southpark boys. Other then that I see a lot of love for him in the media. Oddly enough some of the assoicates have been worst then the mainstream media.

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

Someone did make a comment about a Southpark episode on Facebook. There's a thread here on the org from a few days ago: http://prince.org/msg/7/448161 I did not see the episode so can't say if true or not.

[Edited 10/25/17 8:02am]

Well Southpark makes fun of everybody and Prince may have been to conservative in his later years for the Southpark boys. Other then that I see a lot of love for him in the media. Oddly enough some of the assoicates have been worst then the mainstream media.

I'm not seeing him get trashed out there either and I hope it stays that way. I don't know what to make of some of the associates remarks.

Mumio said:

Menes said:

Ok. Let's add #3 ( as in he was terminally ill and decided to stop the madness) to the follow up. You can add whatever illness you decide.

Using your own general knowledge of Prince, of these 3 possibilities, which story line do you believe would have preserved his legacy in the most favorable light ?

* Please keep in mind that I am narrowing the timeline to after the moline incident and his decision thereafter, specifically.

#3 as written by ISLIJAG. Medication use as needed for performance injuries to his body over the years, then increasing use due to illness to control escalating pain. I know not everyone sees things the way I do, but I am in favor of a person's right to die with dignity if terminally ill. No one should have to suffer in those circumstances.

[Edited 10/25/17 8:29am]

Fair point. As it relates to his legacy, do you think the narrative would have been the same if in fact he was terminally ill , or that he was a confirmed longtime abuser of illegal substances?

OperatingThetan said:

We don't need to know anymore. She KNEW. We've been saying it since she told us last year.

OperatingThetan said:

Tyka has just added more fuel to the fire on BBC radio. Apparently, in addition to the previously reported phone call, Prince also shared a picture and song which revealed he was dying. If Tyka is going to make these kind of statements she may as well clarify the entire issue.

See the interview from The Times today. Prince put the whole Paisley Park Musemum together with details on how it should be run. He kept every outfit even band members clothes and music in order to display them he and wanted his ashes on display at Paisley Park.

He knew he was dying and at this point I do not see why anyone is still in a state of denial.

As an exhibition of Prince memorabilia arrives in London, Lisa Verrico talks to the woman who is cataloguing the extraordinary riches of Paisley Park

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-from-paisley-park-to-the-o2-fr2kdkvrw

“Incredibly, most of what you see is as it was when we arrived,” Marchese says. “The murals, the theme rooms, the corridor of awards, the wall with a timeline of Prince’s influences and protégés, the closets containing memorabilia plastered with his pictures. He made telling his story easy because he’d put the story there for us.

“I saw emails between him and his staff, and he’d literally written the script — ‘Here’s what I did in studio A and Studio B’ — with a list of what was recorded there. ‘Next you head into the film room.’ It’s clear he wanted to share his experience here.

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As he requested, his ashes are on display in a casket, designed by his sister, that is Paisley Park in miniature, purposely positioned to catch sunbeams.

[Edited 10/25/17 10:27am]

laurarichardson said:

OperatingThetan said:

Tyka has just added more fuel to the fire on BBC radio. Apparently, in addition to the previously reported phone call, Prince also shared a picture and song which revealed he was dying. If Tyka is going to make these kind of statements she may as well clarify the entire issue.

See the interview from The Times today. Prince put the whole Paisley Park Musemum together with details on how it should be run. He kept every customer even band members clothes and music in order to display them he wanted his ashes on display at Paisley Park.

He knew he was dying and at this point I do not see why anyone is still in a state of denial.

You are right, and just like it's already been said, there are those who are dissing her and don't believe her. Unbelievable.

Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

See the interview from The Times today. Prince put the whole Paisley Park Musemum together with details on how it should be run. He kept every customer even band members clothes and music in order to display them he wanted his ashes on display at Paisley Park.

He knew he was dying and at this point I do not see why anyone is still in a state of denial.

You are right, and just like it's already been said, there are those who are dissing her and don't believe her. Unbelievable.

They need to knock it off. That was her brother and she is doing what he asked her to do. In fact she is doing what any sibling that cared would do.

laurarichardson said:

-/You are new and unfortunately a lot of info has been removed that has already been discussed that point to illness.

1) What would be the point of going to rehab if he was sick with something else

2) Why take the fake pills when he access to legit pills.

3) Why tell numerous people even the promoter of the Atlanta concert that he was not feeling a 100% and would need to go back to his doctor before continuing on with the concerts. Why go to Dr.S if he was just addicted to drugs as Dr. S wrote no pain pills for him and the Dr. has no back ground in addiction management.

4) The chefs have said via their Facebook page that they were lied to about his health.

5) About a dozen people who worked for Prince are telling us we do not know the whole story.

6) Why would he have a 65k line item on his inventory sheet for medical expenses? Did he spend 65k on illegal drugs and the admins decided to report the expense to the court.

7) Why was he doing a tour with him going down memory lane. He was not the type of artist to look back and he sure gave away a tremendous amount of money to charity in his final days.

8) Tidal claims that someone had a POA for sign the Tidal deal for him? Why would such a controlling person give any person POA. No one every said that Prince was not addicted to these drugs in the last months of his life. The question is why? What happened between January and April. There are pics from the fall of 2015 and he does not look yellow in the face.

If you want to ignore what his sister just said on the BBC go ahead. Everything I just stated is plausible if one is dealing with a terminal illness.

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

-/You are new and unfortunately a lot of info has been removed that has already been discussed that point to illness.

1) What would be the point of going to rehab if he was sick with something else

2) Why take the fake pills when he access to legit pills.

3) Why tell numerous people even the promoter of the Atlanta concert that he was not feeling a 100% and would need to go back to his doctor before continuing on with the concerts. Why go to Dr.S if he was just addicted to drugs as Dr. S wrote no pain pills for him and the Dr. has no back ground in addiction management.

4) The chefs have said via their Facebook page that they were lied to about his health.

5) About a dozen people who worked for Prince are telling us we do not know the whole story.

6) Why would he have a 65k line item on his inventory sheet for medical expenses? Did he spend 65k on illegal drugs and the admins decided to report the expense to the court.

7) Why was he doing a tour with him going down memory lane. He was not the type of artist to look back and he sure gave away a tremendous amount of money to charity in his final days.

8) Tidal claims that someone had a POA for sign the Tidal deal for him? Why would such a controlling person give any person POA. No one every said that Prince was not addicted to these drugs in the last months of his life. The question is why? What happened between January and April. There are pics from the fall of 2015 and he does not look yellow in the face.

[Edited 10/25/17 10:35am]

OperatingThetan said:

Tyka has just added more fuel to the fire on BBC radio. Apparently, in addition to the previously reported phone call, Prince also shared a picture and song which revealed he was dying. If Tyka is going to make these kind of statements she may as well clarify the entire issue.

All she is doing is adding fuel to the fire. She needs to stop speaking in riddles and spit it out, or mention nothing at all. This is what pisses me off.

laurarichardson said:

If you want to ignore what his sister just said on the BBC go ahead. Everything I just stated is plausible if one is dealing with a terminal illness.

[Edited 10/25/17 10:35am]

Of course, that terminal illness issue. What remarkable contriving and manipulating it must take to fool everyone into believing there's nothing seriously wrong?! Really, noone guessed a thing.

In addition, I don't see any connection between believing in his 'terminal illness' and believing someone deliberately slipped him a dodgy pill... they're equally implausible. I posted a couple of pages back about how much gray area there is between absolute wellness and chronic, incurable disease. I place Prince's issues bang center in the huge, generic area in between. He was unwell but not diseased.

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

You are right, and just like it's already been said, there are those who are dissing her and don't believe her. Unbelievable.

They need to knock it off. That was her brother and she is doing what he asked her to do. In fact she is doing what any sibling that cared would do.

So, if everything she said is true, does that mean that he preempted his forseable death because his plans were interrupted by the overdose?

Menes said:

So, if everything she said is true, does that mean that he preempted his forseable death because his plans were interrupted by the overdose?

Kinda lookin like that.

Can someone post the interview? I can't find it.