precioux said:

nelcp777 said:

I have often wondered if Prince had been sexually abused at a younger age. I do not know why, but I have always gotten that vibe. Getting kicked out of his dad's house is an interesting story. If Prince was messin' about with his dad's GF, then that follows the pattern of his mom choosing (in essence) her man over her son and John L. choosing his GF over Prince. Abandonment.

I have always been curious about Chris Moon's relationship with Prince. There are hints of intimacy with Owen. Even Prince said he knew of only homosexual in the area. I never heard Morris or Andre say the same thing. I wonder if Prince's abuse caused him to be confused sexually. That is if he was in fact abused.

I have always said this...Owen comes across, even in early interviews as if their split was a romantic break up. He even stated that Prince wrote him a letter professing his love for him, but that they had to go their separate ways. Owen said he will keep that letter until the day he dies. I brought this notion up on the Book thread by Alex Hahn when the the discussion of the book was at the point of Owen and Prince going their separate ways, and I even posted the interviews...but of course, people would not even entertain the notion, when Owen's own words (that have been repeatedly stated) fall on deaf ears.

You can love someone without it being sexual. I just do not see the 19 year-old Prince running around with musty hippy looking Owen. He could have certainly done better for himself if that were the case.

Plus you have what Pepe said about the comments Owen made behind Prince's back. It does not sound like a love fest.

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http://beautifulnightschitown.blogspot.com/search?q=Pepe+willie

We have some evidence of his childhood based on comments that came out of Prince and Tyka’s own mouth. It was not reported that he was put out of his dad’s house. Prince said so in the 1985 interview with Neal Karlen in the Rolling Stone. He told Neal in that interview that he sat at a phone booth and tried to call his dad to get back in the house and his dad kept hanging up the phone. He said he sat in the phone booth cried and after that never cried about anything.

Prince did not get along wit h his stepfather. He actually said the things we have talked about in this topic it is not a myth and no one is making anything up. I do not care for Alex Hahn but in his most recent book he spoke to Art Ericson who ran a summer youth program that Prince was in and he talks about how one summer he was active and out going at the camp and the summer after his stepfather he was extremely withdrawn and he confided in him that his stepfathter locked him in a closet. Some of this was mentioned in Jon Bream book Purple Reign which I have a copy of.

All of the things you say about Prince and stepdad could be true but it does not make abuse acceptable nor putting some dude over your child.

As far as finding porn ( playboy is considered porn) Prince said his mother showed it to him to teach him about the birds and bees. He said this out of his own mouth and even if he was misquoted he never corrected it.

Oh and Andre has said a few times in the last year that Prince’ s mom did not want him hanging around with him once calling him the Project N****r. Remember there dad’s played in a band together. The Nelson's knew who the Anderson's were.

There is a recorded interview that use to be on YOUTUBE by a European journalist that was recorded doing his short tour of Europe for the Dirty Mind tour it is about an hour long and Prince talks in more detail about his upbringing once again repeating some of these things. He could have been lying to make things dramatic but we know he said it.

DD55 said:

Just for balance…...

You guys have introduced several interesting theories. Yes, I believe he could have been sexually abused as a 12 year old. Yes I believe his upbringing was far from ideal. But before we go down the rabbit hole, please indulge me as I play — devils advocate.

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Until someone like Tyka speaks about his childhood in any definitive way we will never know. Even if she does speak, she was a child at the same time and children don’t always view things objectively. And she had her own problems.

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Not to start a big ta-do but we are interpreting p’s childhood based on very little evidence, i.e.. very few comments he made and our interpretation of those comments (and remember he did not publicly make any corrections, verify statements in the press or ‘correct’ discrepancies or non truths).

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It was said/reported that he was 'thrown out of his father’s house' at 12. However, it’s also been reported that his father was on the road, doing out of town gigs at that time. Maybe his father simply said to him…. Prince you are only 12 years old, you cannot stay here all alone, go back to your mother’s house. Possibility? If that happened today, and a child was left alone for over 48 horns, CPS would be there in a heartbeat and he would be in foster care. Where did Prince himself talk about crying after asking to come home? Not saying it didn’t happen, but maybe as child he didn’t understand that he couldn’t be left alone.

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Also, for what ever reason….I can also see John L saying to P something to the effect of … 'you live in my house and follow my rules, if you don’t like it get out.’

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His step father was a bad guy. I this true? I don’t know how many of you have had teenagers, but as a parent you can not let a teenager rule the household. Do we know all the facts? Was P so headstrong that he would or would not follow the rules of the household? I’m not saying this in negative way to Prince, only saying we do not know for sure the exact circumstances. Children often have segued views of life which is different than adults view things. P said he wanted time from his step dad and not gifts, we don’t know if the guy was working two jobs, was simply exhausted and did the best he could.

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After a few years of being the ‘man of the house’ it’s possible that P resented this new man (step dad) and acted out to the point that it would try any one’s patience and things broke down from there. P ran away from home, but never really lived ‘on the street' (as in sleeping on the floor of the bus station) he stayed with relatives and friends before landing more permanently at Andre’s. I can’t imaging his mother wasn’t informed by these people with whom he was staying.

He ‘found porn’ … hummmm, give me break, did he specify what exactly the ‘porn’ was? It may be as simple as his step dad and mom had a playboy magazine. To a kid that is porn! Doesn’t every kid sneak into their parents room and look around? (By the way, that is why you always, always lock guns in a secured box with a lock and key because your kids WILL look in your room.)

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There is so much urban legend surrounding the myth of Prince’s childhood, stories have been told and retold, I’ve lost track of what Prince himself actually said. And remember Prince said a lot of things for effect at times, served his purposes a the time, that some things turned out to be not so true (his father being half Italian).

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I’m not disagreeing with what anyone has said, all theories are possible. All I’m saying is we can’t jump to conclusions. I am not by any means saying his parents would ever be on the parent of the year list, but we are dealing with a very headstrong person, Prince, who is known for approaching life with ‘his way or the highway’ attitude. Having raised teenagers myself I know how they can be rebelious.

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Don’t mean to upset anyone, just trying to look for balance as we are all speculating. Please don't beat me up to much

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Peace.

~DD55

DD55 said:

Just for balance…...

You guys have introduced several interesting theories. Yes, I believe he could have been sexually abused as a 12 year old. Yes I believe his upbringing was far from ideal. But before we go down the rabbit hole, please indulge me as I play — devils advocate.

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Until someone like Tyka speaks about his childhood in any definitive way we will never know. Even if she does speak, she was a child at the same time and children don’t always view things objectively. And she had her own problems.

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Not to start a big ta-do but we are interpreting p’s childhood based on very little evidence, i.e.. very few comments he made and our interpretation of those comments (and remember he did not publicly make any corrections, verify statements in the press or ‘correct’ discrepancies or non truths).

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It was said/reported that he was 'thrown out of his father’s house' at 12. However, it’s also been reported that his father was on the road, doing out of town gigs at that time. Maybe his father simply said to him…. Prince you are only 12 years old, you cannot stay here all alone, go back to your mother’s house. Possibility? If that happened today, and a child was left alone for over 48 horns, CPS would be there in a heartbeat and he would be in foster care. Where did Prince himself talk about crying after asking to come home? Not saying it didn’t happen, but maybe as child he didn’t understand that he couldn’t be left alone.

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Also, for what ever reason….I can also see John L saying to P something to the effect of … 'you live in my house and follow my rules, if you don’t like it get out.’

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His step father was a bad guy. I this true? I don’t know how many of you have had teenagers, but as a parent you can not let a teenager rule the household. Do we know all the facts? Was P so headstrong that he would or would not follow the rules of the household? I’m not saying this in negative way to Prince, only saying we do not know for sure the exact circumstances. Children often have segued views of life which is different than adults view things. P said he wanted time from his step dad and not gifts, we don’t know if the guy was working two jobs, was simply exhausted and did the best he could.

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After a few years of being the ‘man of the house’ it’s possible that P resented this new man (step dad) and acted out to the point that it would try any one’s patience and things broke down from there. P ran away from home, but never really lived ‘on the street' (as in sleeping on the floor of the bus station) he stayed with relatives and friends before landing more permanently at Andre’s. I can’t imaging his mother wasn’t informed by these people with whom he was staying.

He ‘found porn’ … hummmm, give me break, did he specify what exactly the ‘porn’ was? It may be as simple as his step dad and mom had a playboy magazine. To a kid that is porn! Doesn’t every kid sneak into their parents room and look around? (By the way, that is why you always, always lock guns in a secured box with a lock and key because your kids WILL look in your room.)

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There is so much urban legend surrounding the myth of Prince’s childhood, stories have been told and retold, I’ve lost track of what Prince himself actually said. And remember Prince said a lot of things for effect at times, served his purposes a the time, that some things turned out to be not so true (his father being half Italian).

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I’m not disagreeing with what anyone has said, all theories are possible. All I’m saying is we can’t jump to conclusions. I am not by any means saying his parents would ever be on the parent of the year list, but we are dealing with a very headstrong person, Prince, who is known for approaching life with ‘his way or the highway’ attitude. Having raised teenagers myself I know how they can be rebelious.

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Don’t mean to upset anyone, just trying to look for balance as we are all speculating. Please don't beat me up to much

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Peace.

~DD55

leec1 said:

The link is below to the Rolling Stones article where Prince discussed his father throwing him out.

www.rollingstone.com/music/news/prince-talks-the-silence-is-broken-19850912

Thanks for the clarification and sources, Laura.

laurarichardson said:

We have some evidence of his childhood based on comments that came out of Prince and Tyka’s own mouth. It was not reported that he was put out of his dad’s house. Prince said so in the 1985 interview with Neal Karlen in the Rolling Stone. He told Neal in that interview that he sat at a phone booth and tried to call his dad to get back in the house and his dad kept hanging up the phone. He said he sat in the phone booth cried and after that never cried about anything.

Prince did not get along wit h his stepfather. He actually said the things we have talked about in this topic it is not a myth and no one is making anything up. I do not care for Alex Hahn but in his most recent book he spoke to Art Ericson who ran a summer youth program that Prince was in and he talks about how one summer he was active and out going at the camp and the summer after his stepfather he was extremely withdrawn and he confided in him that his stepfathter locked him in a closet. Some of this was mentioned in Jon Bream book Purple Reign which I have a copy of.

All of the things you say about Prince and stepdad could be true but it does not make abuse acceptable nor putting some dude over your child.

As far as finding porn ( playboy is considered porn) Prince said his mother showed it to him to teach him about the birds and bees. He said this out of his own mouth and even if he was misquoted he never corrected it.

Oh and Andre has said a few times in the last year that Prince’ s mom did not want him hanging around with him once calling him the Project N****r. Remember there dad’s played in a band together. The Nelson's knew who the Anderson's were.

There is a recorded interview that use to be on YOUTUBE by a European journalist that was recorded doing his short tour of Europe for the Dirty Mind tour it is about an hour long and Prince talks in more detail about his upbringing once again repeating some of these things. He could have been lying to make things dramatic but we know he said it.

DD55 said:

Just for balance…...

You guys have introduced several interesting theories. Yes, I believe he could have been sexually abused as a 12 year old. Yes I believe his upbringing was far from ideal. But before we go down the rabbit hole, please indulge me as I play — devils advocate.

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Until someone like Tyka speaks about his childhood in any definitive way we will never know. Even if she does speak, she was a child at the same time and children don’t always view things objectively. And she had her own problems.

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Not to start a big ta-do but we are interpreting p’s childhood based on very little evidence, i.e.. very few comments he made and our interpretation of those comments (and remember he did not publicly make any corrections, verify statements in the press or ‘correct’ discrepancies or non truths).

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It was said/reported that he was 'thrown out of his father’s house' at 12. However, it’s also been reported that his father was on the road, doing out of town gigs at that time. Maybe his father simply said to him…. Prince you are only 12 years old, you cannot stay here all alone, go back to your mother’s house. Possibility? If that happened today, and a child was left alone for over 48 horns, CPS would be there in a heartbeat and he would be in foster care. Where did Prince himself talk about crying after asking to come home? Not saying it didn’t happen, but maybe as child he didn’t understand that he couldn’t be left alone.

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Also, for what ever reason….I can also see John L saying to P something to the effect of … 'you live in my house and follow my rules, if you don’t like it get out.’

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His step father was a bad guy. I this true? I don’t know how many of you have had teenagers, but as a parent you can not let a teenager rule the household. Do we know all the facts? Was P so headstrong that he would or would not follow the rules of the household? I’m not saying this in negative way to Prince, only saying we do not know for sure the exact circumstances. Children often have segued views of life which is different than adults view things. P said he wanted time from his step dad and not gifts, we don’t know if the guy was working two jobs, was simply exhausted and did the best he could.

.

After a few years of being the ‘man of the house’ it’s possible that P resented this new man (step dad) and acted out to the point that it would try any one’s patience and things broke down from there. P ran away from home, but never really lived ‘on the street' (as in sleeping on the floor of the bus station) he stayed with relatives and friends before landing more permanently at Andre’s. I can’t imaging his mother wasn’t informed by these people with whom he was staying.

He ‘found porn’ … hummmm, give me break, did he specify what exactly the ‘porn’ was? It may be as simple as his step dad and mom had a playboy magazine. To a kid that is porn! Doesn’t every kid sneak into their parents room and look around? (By the way, that is why you always, always lock guns in a secured box with a lock and key because your kids WILL look in your room.)

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There is so much urban legend surrounding the myth of Prince’s childhood, stories have been told and retold, I’ve lost track of what Prince himself actually said. And remember Prince said a lot of things for effect at times, served his purposes a the time, that some things turned out to be not so true (his father being half Italian).

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I’m not disagreeing with what anyone has said, all theories are possible. All I’m saying is we can’t jump to conclusions. I am not by any means saying his parents would ever be on the parent of the year list, but we are dealing with a very headstrong person, Prince, who is known for approaching life with ‘his way or the highway’ attitude. Having raised teenagers myself I know how they can be rebelious.

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Don’t mean to upset anyone, just trying to look for balance as we are all speculating. Please don't beat me up to much

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Peace.

~DD55

laurarichardson said:

I know an EMT and unfortunatly had to call an ambulance for myself for exteme vomiting. EMT's have to log what the call was for so if Prince had overdosed the log would say. It is possible he just did not drink enough water or maybe he was dehydrated due to vomiting or crapping. It can happen due to many illness or even drugs illegal or not . I do not believe he mannaged to get around in the manner that he did and worked that way that he did and was abusing these drugs for years. May have been on and off or dealing with other health issues but we know if the EMT's picked him for an O.D the report would say so.

We also do not know what he was in the hospital for in 2014 or 2015 for treatment and no one has yet to explain the 65k line item for medical treatment.

Just more holes in the story.

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes; the loss of too much body fluids will cause severe dehydration. That's why when someone is ill, the doctor will always tell you to "drink plenty of fluids".

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If Prince was placed on an I.V., then he must have been in a bad state. But, he was out and about after the Moline incident. Maybe he was not listening to his body and taking care of himself?

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Yes, we really don't know what the hospital visits were for in 2014 & 2015. Given the fact that Tyka said "she knew for 2-years" when Prince died, which would be around that time-frame.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but Prince received fluids a day or two before he passed away, no?

farnorth said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I posted a link yesterday of an interview (radio show) that Dr. Drew gave after the emergency in Moline. He stated that the Moline emergency incident sounded like a "seizure" in his opinion.

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Granted, this was "before" we had the information we have now.

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I don't believe anyone here was making anything up, btw.

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[Edited 7/19/17 18:22pm]

Dr. Drew also considered this possibility after the Judith Hill interview (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1606/22/ddhln.01.html):

"But listen, Dax, when you go back to look at these stories, I want you to know this. To have somebody, their eyes freeze and their sensorium altered before they become unconscious, that is very peculiar. That is not the typical reaction to opiates and opioids.

It makes me wonder if he also had some sort of seizure phenomenon, and that could be related to the God knows what are the medication he was taking.

Again, we only know about the fentanyl, but they do not give us the report of the other toxicologies. They do not do that in Minnesota, apparently.

But please keep an eye on that, because that is not somebody just passing out from opioid use."

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Very good point. We are all wondering if he was having seizures and that may have contributed to his death, but wasn't the cause of death.

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Not related to Prince but, I was reading about Elvis' death the other day; do you know he had 14 different drugs in his system when he died, but his cause of death was a heart attack. Terrible.

disch said:

I'm just not persuaded by Dr Drew's speculation from June, mainly because we learned later from the warrant that the Moline doctor did indeed document it as opioid overdose.

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If you read the whole transcript of this Dr Drew show, you'll see he and his co-host kind of had some info wrong about this incident (they really focused on the JH's "eyes fixing" comment and claimed that "his eyes fixing really freaked her out" when in the actual interview with JH doesn't say that. And Dr Drew also said that it was weird that Prince's "sensorium altered" prior to passing out but that's also not in JH's comments).

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Remeber that, right after the autopsy summary was released, Dr. Drew also offered some info about fentanyl that as far as we know turned out not to be applicable in Prince's case (he discussed fentanyl OD only via sucking patches or injection; he didn't yet know that Prince's fentanyl was likely in laced counterfeit pills, a delivery method he never mentioned).

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So in other words, this sounds like he was riffing off a quick reading of that day's interview. Would be interesting what he or other pros would say if they had a close read of every piece of info now available.

laurarichardson said:

Thank you someone thinks loads of people have nothing to do but make up stuff when all of this infor is easy to find and snaps into place. His eyes became fixed for a few percocets

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Yeah, and I remember in the beginning, right after Prince had passed, and new information was still coming in, Dr. Drew said it was most likely that Prince got the pills from his doctor. He said nothing about illegal Fentanyl.

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I caught that too in that interview; Dr. Drew never mentioned "pills", only a patch or injection.

206Michelle said:

RJOrion said:

cmon...John L. Nelson was having premarital sex and extramarital sex before and after Prince was born... not buying any perceived taboos...not in that house...

Pretty sure you are right about John Nelson's history. That being said, I can absolutely believe that he kicked Prince out of the house at age 12. I've never heard the story of him being kicked out of the house at age 12 disputed on this website until now, so I believe it, until someone like Tyka says otherwise.

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Whether people want to believe it or not, it's true. I've read about it in several articles. What father would throw their 12 year-old Son out of the house, without good reason?

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Prince was hurt because his Father didn't want him back. Imagine what that did to Prince?

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After his Mother remarried, he tried living back at home again, but did not get along with his Step Father, and left for good.

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This stuff is nothing new and has been talked about for decades.

purplefam99 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I gotcha!

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I like the term Dr. Drew used; he said he felt Prince was "heavily dependent".

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I feel so bad for Prince, because the thought of him losing control probably gave him panic attacks. It's a dehibilitating experience when you feel your life is spiriling out of control. Prince was a man who was "always in control"; but due to almost 40-years of performing; he did so much damage to his body; the constant pains.

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He didn't want to tell us; he didn't want us to worry; and we understand that now. He knows we will always love him.

Clover I agree that he must have had panic attacks too, and the vision of him Enduring that alone saddens me. Not being able to say I'm scared or afraid to Anyone is just wholly gut wrenching to me. It is hard cause he culled us all Together and we are all grieving from our different points of view. His pride Our grief both just as loud, wanting essentially the same thing. For him to be ok.

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If only he allowed someone to take care of him; to nurture him; to tell him "It's okay to rest and take care of yourself." "It's okay to take time out for yourself; just be human."

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I think Prince did not know how to stop working. It was work, 24/7. He would make jokes about people who went on vacation. He did not believe in it. He had beautiful homes around the world, but did he ever stop and take the time to really enjoy it?

laurarichardson said:

RJOrion said:

i cant think of (and dont know of) ANY black man on this planet, that would kick his pretty, sometimes effeminate, 12 year old son out of the house for having sex with a girl... i will never believe that story

John L. Nelson was a 7th day Adventist and because he catted around does not mean he wanted his 12 year old using his house as a flop house to have sex in. This was in the 1970s in a strict religious black household black parents back then did not let their 12 years knowingly have sex in their house.

I also remember Chazz saying Prince would do stuff to piss his dad off. So the girl staying may have been the final straw.

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Yes, and it was not uncommon for Parents to kick their kids out of the house back in the 70s, or even 80s. My Mother threw my sister out of the house and she left and moved-in with her boyfriend. Back in those days, parents did not get punished for doing things like that; if that happened today, the parents would be charged with neglect of a minor child.

PennyPurple said:

purplerabbithole said:

I read somewhere that it was an older family friend..This might be the same source where you read that he got busted with his dad's girlfriend.

Question: Doesn't that mean that Prince was statutory raped or molested? Is it so far-fetched that the guy who wrote "Sister" was being manipulated and 'raped' by an adult at this father's house and his father, being clueless and old school, blamed his somewhat rebellious pre-teen son (or didn't know how to handle it) and kicked him out (sent him to live with his mother.) Imagine the impact that would have on Prince and relationship with his dad.

I don't think it was a boy his own age that Prince was with. I think it was an adult female.

I may be mistaken but I thought he left his Mom's house to live with his dad, when his dad kicked him out, he had nowhere to go. He called his dad and begged and cried to come back and his dad said no. He asked to live with another friend, and those parents said no, that's when he asked to live with Andre and Andres mother let him live there, but she called Prince's mom 1st. Andre's mom took him in as her own, with her other children. I'm under the impression that it was the 1st time he may have lived in a loving household.

Also it is said that Prince said he would never cry again and he didn't, after the phone call to his dad.

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Yes, you are correct.

nelcp777 said:

PennyPurple said:

Not only did his mother keep Tyka, she also had Omaar. I question if Omaar also suffered from abuse from his dad, like what was doled out to Prince. Tyka probably had it pretty rough there also.

I have often wondered if Prince had been sexually abused at a younger age. I do not know why, but I have always gotten that vibe. Getting kicked out of his dad's house is an interesting story. If Prince was messin' about with his dad's GF, then that follows the pattern of his mom choosing (in essence) her man over her son and John L. choosing his GF over Prince. Abandonment.

I have always been curious about Chris Moon's relationship with Prince. There are hints of intimacy with Owen. Even Prince said he knew of only homosexual in the area. I never heard Morris or Andre say the same thing. I wonder if Prince's abuse caused him to be confused sexually. That is if he was in fact abused.

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I hope that was not the case.

laurarichardson said:

nelcp777 said:

I have often wondered if Prince had been sexually abused at a younger age. I do not know why, but I have always gotten that vibe. Getting kicked out of his dad's house is an interesting story. If Prince was messin' about with his dad's GF, then that follows the pattern of his mom choosing (in essence) her man over her son and John L. choosing his GF over Prince. Abandonment.

I have always been curious about Chris Moon's relationship with Prince. There are hints of intimacy with Owen. Even Prince said he knew of only homosexual in the area. I never heard Morris or Andre say the same thing. I wonder if Prince's abuse caused him to be confused sexually. That is if he was in fact abused.

There are no hints of intimacy with Owen. He wrote a letter after they decided to go there separate ways which according to Pepe Willie was for very different reasons then Owne gave. So I cannot take what Owen had to say seriously.

Guys can express emotions without something sexual going on and you have to remember Prince may have looked to these men as father figures only to be disappointed like he was with his dad when he was young which by the way Prince talked about when speaking about his dad.

Prince said he some guy in the neighborhood was a cross dresser that everyone use to laugh at.

Prince told numerous people that he was going to have a wild sexual image he concocted this image to sell records since the first album bombed.

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Do you think WB persuaded Prince to be sexually provacative?

That is not the article, not the interview I was referencing..I will find it. Owen even stated the "breakup" was "like when a boy/girl break up" . I'm sure you know exactly what interview I'm talking about, as you posted this same reply on the book thread when I brought it up before.

laurarichardson said:-

precioux said:

I have always said this...Owen comes across, even in early interviews as if their split was a romantic break up. He even stated that Prince wrote him a letter professing his love for him, but that they had to go their separate ways. Owen said he will keep that letter until the day he dies. I brought this notion up on the Book thread by Alex Hahn when the the discussion of the book was at the point of Owen and Prince going their separate ways, and I even posted the interviews...but of course, people would not even entertain the notion, when Owen's own words (that have been repeatedly stated) fall on deaf ears.

You can love someone without it being sexual. I just do not see the 19 year-old Prince running around with musty hippy looking Owen. He could have certainly done better for himself if that were the case.

Plus you have what Pepe said about the comments Owen made behind Prince's back. It does not sound like a love fest.

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http://beautifulnightschitown.blogspot.com/search?q=Pepe+willie

They practiced in our home from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m., 10 hours a day. They worked really hard. Prince gotten a sum of money and he was buying all this new equipment from all the stores. Husney was his manager.

One day, Prince was at his home after rehearsal. I went over there, because, I couldn't get him on the phone. It was after they had practiced for 10 hours. So, I'm over (at his) house on France—he had just got signed by Warner Brothers, so, he had his own home. I was knocking on the door and he's not answering. I hear this tapping from the back of the house.

So, I go around to the side of the house, I look in these windows and I can see Prince playing drums. He's kicking drums after 10 hours of rehearsal. So, in between the beats, I'm knocking on the window, so, he can hear me. Then, he finally heard me and I said "Open the door, man!" So, he opens the door. We go down in the basement and we're talking. He was talking about what he needed. I said "Look man, your manager is supposed to be doing this stuff for you" and I said "Well, I'll go talk to (Husney)."

The next day, I go to (Husney's) office; he had an ad company. I said "Well, Prince needs this and Prince needs that. You're his manager and you're supposed to do this stuff for him."

Then he said --and these are his exact words-- "What, am I supposed to quit my job here at the ad company for some guy who probably won't make it?" I couldn't make that up...

Then I said, " [T]hen you're out, you're fired." I don't know if I had the right to say it, but, I said it, because, I was protecting my cousin. He said "Well, why don't you be his manager?"

I said, "Well, I'm not a manager. I can't be his manager. But, I'm not going to let him get screwed out here." Those were my exact words. So, I went back to Prince and let him know what was going on. He and Husney parted ways shortly after that. So, now, Prince needed management. He's signed to Warner Bros. He's got a good record out that's doing well, For You. But, he had no manager.

I knew Don Taylor, manager of Bob Marley and The Wailers, through my connections. I called him and said "I've got a guy who's signed with Warner Bros. His name is Prince and he needs management." He said, "Yeah, I know Mo Ostin (then president of Warner Bros. Records)." He sent Prince and myself two first-class airline tickets to fly to Miami. He got us both hotel rooms. He came over to the hotel and he and Prince went back to his house to talk business. I just stayed out of the way.

I told Prince, "Look, I'm not a manager, but, I'm not going to let you get screwed." But, I did manage him for 30 days. Warner Bros. as sending me all the correspondence and necessary things.

moonsister said:

I've got the tape of Prince stating he ran away, he said nothing about being kicked out. He said he found the porn in his mother's room, not that she handed it to him, I mean really? And it wasn't Playboy, it was erotic stories. I have this on tape, in his own voice, his own words. A 12 year old is a boy still, not a man, experimenting with your little buddy is not far fetched.

He said he ran away from his mom's house and got kicked out of his dad's house he talked about the Dad stituation in the Rolling Stone which links have been provided.

precioux said:

nelcp777 said:

I have often wondered if Prince had been sexually abused at a younger age. I do not know why, but I have always gotten that vibe. Getting kicked out of his dad's house is an interesting story. If Prince was messin' about with his dad's GF, then that follows the pattern of his mom choosing (in essence) her man over her son and John L. choosing his GF over Prince. Abandonment.

I have always been curious about Chris Moon's relationship with Prince. There are hints of intimacy with Owen. Even Prince said he knew of only homosexual in the area. I never heard Morris or Andre say the same thing. I wonder if Prince's abuse caused him to be confused sexually. That is if he was in fact abused.

I have always said this...Owen comes across, even in early interviews as if their split was a romantic break up. He even stated that Prince wrote him a letter professing his love for him, but that they had to go their separate ways. Owen said he will keep that letter until the day he dies. I brought this notion up on the Book thread by Alex Hahn when the the discussion of the book was at the point of Owen and Prince going their separate ways, and I even posted the interviews...but of course, people would not even entertain the notion, when Owen's own words (that have been repeatedly stated) fall on deaf ears.

precioux: how DARE you bring up something that casts doubt on the Prince creation myth. Go stand in the corner with RJOrion. Prince.Org. is for true-blue fans only... Fanatics...get it?

I would remember if Owen said they had a boy/girl breakup because he is implying something much different than what he has said in the past. This interview is with Pepe Willie and it sounds more like a major fallout because Owen was did not have any real belife in Prince as a artist.

I have never got the impression from Owen that anything gay was going on between them and when you work closely with someone the dynamic can be like a relationship. Jimmie Jam has always said that if Terry Lewis was a girl he would have married him. Do you think Jame and Lewis are a couple? Those two have probaly spent just about everyday together since JHS. It does not mean they are seeing each other in a sexual manner. I think you are ready more into Owen's statment then what is there. Prince was supposed to be his first big break in the big time he got him his recording contract and I am sure he was dispointed when he got dumped and from Pepe's comment it appears his ethusim had gone away.

Men and women who knew and worked for Prince were crying their eyes when he died he was not sleeping with all of those people either.

precioux said:

That is not the article, not the interview I was referencing..I will find it. Owen even stated the "breakup" was "like when a boy/girl break up" . I'm sure you know exactly what interview I'm talking about, as you posted this same reply on the book thread when I brought it up before.

laurarichardson said:-

You can love someone without it being sexual. I just do not see the 19 year-old Prince running around with musty hippy looking Owen. He could have certainly done better for himself if that were the case.

Plus you have what Pepe said about the comments Owen made behind Prince's back. It does not sound like a love fest.

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http://beautifulnightschitown.blogspot.com/search?q=Pepe+willie

They practiced in our home from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m., 10 hours a day. They worked really hard. Prince gotten a sum of money and he was buying all this new equipment from all the stores. Husney was his manager.

One day, Prince was at his home after rehearsal. I went over there, because, I couldn't get him on the phone. It was after they had practiced for 10 hours. So, I'm over (at his) house on France—he had just got signed by Warner Brothers, so, he had his own home. I was knocking on the door and he's not answering. I hear this tapping from the back of the house.

So, I go around to the side of the house, I look in these windows and I can see Prince playing drums. He's kicking drums after 10 hours of rehearsal. So, in between the beats, I'm knocking on the window, so, he can hear me. Then, he finally heard me and I said "Open the door, man!" So, he opens the door. We go down in the basement and we're talking. He was talking about what he needed. I said "Look man, your manager is supposed to be doing this stuff for you" and I said "Well, I'll go talk to (Husney)."

The next day, I go to (Husney's) office; he had an ad company. I said "Well, Prince needs this and Prince needs that. You're his manager and you're supposed to do this stuff for him."

Then he said --and these are his exact words-- "What, am I supposed to quit my job here at the ad company for some guy who probably won't make it?" I couldn't make that up...

Then I said, " [T]hen you're out, you're fired." I don't know if I had the right to say it, but, I said it, because, I was protecting my cousin. He said "Well, why don't you be his manager?"

I said, "Well, I'm not a manager. I can't be his manager. But, I'm not going to let him get screwed out here." Those were my exact words. So, I went back to Prince and let him know what was going on. He and Husney parted ways shortly after that. So, now, Prince needed management. He's signed to Warner Bros. He's got a good record out that's doing well, For You. But, he had no manager.

I knew Don Taylor, manager of Bob Marley and The Wailers, through my connections. I called him and said "I've got a guy who's signed with Warner Bros. His name is Prince and he needs management." He said, "Yeah, I know Mo Ostin (then president of Warner Bros. Records)." He sent Prince and myself two first-class airline tickets to fly to Miami. He got us both hotel rooms. He came over to the hotel and he and Prince went back to his house to talk business. I just stayed out of the way.

I told Prince, "Look, I'm not a manager, but, I'm not going to let you get screwed." But, I did manage him for 30 days. Warner Bros. as sending me all the correspondence and necessary things.

[Edited 7/20/17 12:06pm]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

precioux said:

I have always said this...Owen comes across, even in early interviews as if their split was a romantic break up. He even stated that Prince wrote him a letter professing his love for him, but that they had to go their separate ways. Owen said he will keep that letter until the day he dies. I brought this notion up on the Book thread by Alex Hahn when the the discussion of the book was at the point of Owen and Prince going their separate ways, and I even posted the interviews...but of course, people would not even entertain the notion, when Owen's own words (that have been repeatedly stated) fall on deaf ears.

precioux: how DARE you bring up something that casts doubt on the Prince creation myth. Go stand in the corner with RJOrion. Prince.Org. is for true-blue fans only... Fanatics...get it?

Sigh Look what this board has come to. Acutal links mean nothing and you want to hook him up with Owen. What in God's green earth would they have had in common? A old raisin hippie white man.

If you hooked him with Andre Cymone it would make more sense.

I know this is all for the sake of research, and we are talking about "Toxicology," but I don't care who shared Prince's bed. It wasn't me, dammit!

1Sasha said:

I know this is all for the sake of research, and we are talking about "Toxicology," but I don't care who shared Prince's bed. It wasn't me, dammit!

I no that is right. He went from sleeping with an old bitty women ( despite looking six years old in his JHS pictures ) to going with a wrinkled old white man. You got to love the org.

https://noisey.vice.com/en-us/article/689pwv/the-man-who-discovered-prince-owen-husney

In the article Owen states:

1.I watched him (Prince) walk out my door into the snow. I felt like the love of my life just walked out on me...that I'd just thrown her out...I couldn't eat, it was over a weekend and I was just like "Oh where is she, where is she..why doesn't she call? I was sick to my stomach".

2. On Owen's most treasured memorobilia:

"It's probably a letter he wrote to me. I don't want to go into detail, but it was a great letter and in it he (Prince) professed his love for me....it was probably around the time we were breaking up...he wrote me a long letter. At that time, I thought "God, now he's just turned into a prima donna"....that letter will never go anywhere- It will probably be with me until the day I die.

This was published BEFORE Prince died...and let's not forget Prince wrote "So Blue" for Owen after their fight....JS

laurarichardson said

I would remember if Owen said they had a boy/girl breakup because he is implying something much different than what he has said in the past. This interview is with Pepe Willie and it sounds more like a major fallout because Owen was did not have any real belife in Prince as a artist.

I have never got the impression from Owen that anything gay was going on between them and when you work closely with someone the dynamic can be like a relationship. Jimmie Jam has always said that if Terry Lewis was a girl he would have married him. Do you think Jame and Lewis are a couple? Those two have probaly spent just about everyday together since JHS. It does not mean they are seeing each other in a sexual manner. I think you are ready more into Owen's statment then what is there. Prince was supposed to be his first big break in the big time he got him his recording contract and I am sure he was dispointed when he got dumped and from Pepe's comment it appears his ethusim had gone away.

Men and women who knew and worked for Prince were crying their eyes when he died he was not sleeping with all of those people either.

precioux said:

That is not the article, not the interview I was referencing..I will find it. Owen even stated the "breakup" was "like when a boy/girl break up" . I'm sure you know exactly what interview I'm talking about, as you posted this same reply on the book thread when I brought it up before.

[Edited 7/20/17 12:06pm]

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

I know this is all for the sake of research, and we are talking about "Toxicology," but I don't care who shared Prince's bed. It wasn't me, dammit!

I no that is right. He went from sleeping with an old bitty women ( despite looking six years old in his JHS pictures ) to going with a wrinkled old white man. You got to love the org.

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

precioux said:

I have always said this...Owen comes across, even in early interviews as if their split was a romantic break up. He even stated that Prince wrote him a letter professing his love for him, but that they had to go their separate ways. Owen said he will keep that letter until the day he dies. I brought this notion up on the Book thread by Alex Hahn when the the discussion of the book was at the point of Owen and Prince going their separate ways, and I even posted the interviews...but of course, people would not even entertain the notion, when Owen's own words (that have been repeatedly stated) fall on deaf ears.

precioux: how DARE you bring up something that casts doubt on the Prince creation myth. Go stand in the corner with RJOrion. Prince.Org. is for true-blue fans only... Fanatics...get it?

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

I know this is all for the sake of research, and we are talking about "Toxicology," but I don't care who shared Prince's bed. It wasn't me, dammit!

I no that is right. He went from sleeping with an old bitty women ( despite looking six years old in his JHS pictures ) to going with a wrinkled old white man. You got to love the org.

yes, it is quite hysterical, but Owen is old now-he wasn't then...he could've been a raisin all the same though

There's no "reading more into it"...it's Owen's words, not Pepe or anyone else's. Read the link and or excerpts from the interview I've posted. Not that I WANT it to sound that way...Owen was even calling Prince "she"...there's not other way to look at his words

laurarichardson said:

I would remember if Owen said they had a boy/girl breakup because he is implying something much different than what he has said in the past. This interview is with Pepe Willie and it sounds more like a major fallout because Owen was did not have any real belife in Prince as a artist.

I have never got the impression from Owen that anything gay was going on between them and when you work closely with someone the dynamic can be like a relationship. Jimmie Jam has always said that if Terry Lewis was a girl he would have married him. Do you think Jame and Lewis are a couple? Those two have probaly spent just about everyday together since JHS. It does not mean they are seeing each other in a sexual manner. I think you are ready more into Owen's statment then what is there. Prince was supposed to be his first big break in the big time he got him his recording contract and I am sure he was dispointed when he got dumped and from Pepe's comment it appears his ethusim had gone away.

Men and women who knew and worked for Prince were crying their eyes when he died he was not sleeping with all of those people either.

precioux said:

That is not the article, not the interview I was referencing..I will find it. Owen even stated the "breakup" was "like when a boy/girl break up" . I'm sure you know exactly what interview I'm talking about, as you posted this same reply on the book thread when I brought it up before.

[Edited 7/20/17 12:06pm]

precioux said:

There's no "reading more into it"...it's Owen's words, not Pepe or anyone else's. Read the link and or excerpts from the interview I've posted. Not that I WANT it to sound that way...Owen was even calling Prince "she"...there's not other way to look at his words

laurarichardson said:

I would remember if Owen said they had a boy/girl breakup because he is implying something much different than what he has said in the past. This interview is with Pepe Willie and it sounds more like a major fallout because Owen was did not have any real belife in Prince as a artist.

I have never got the impression from Owen that anything gay was going on between them and when you work closely with someone the dynamic can be like a relationship. Jimmie Jam has always said that if Terry Lewis was a girl he would have married him. Do you think Jame and Lewis are a couple? Those two have probaly spent just about everyday together since JHS. It does not mean they are seeing each other in a sexual manner. I think you are ready more into Owen's statment then what is there. Prince was supposed to be his first big break in the big time he got him his recording contract and I am sure he was dispointed when he got dumped and from Pepe's comment it appears his ethusim had gone away.

Men and women who knew and worked for Prince were crying their eyes when he died he was not sleeping with all of those people either.

[Edited 7/20/17 12:06pm]

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I dunno. I think two men can share a really close bond and love one another, but not in a sexual way. I know lots of men who spend a lot of time together; they are best buddies, and people always joke and say "Y'all two should get a room, or get married". It's a joke, of course, but I think Owen may be infatuated with Prince. Sometimes when a good friendship comes to an end, it can feel like a divorce or break-up with your Girlfriend. To me, it's just a term used to describe the intensity of that relationship that was lost. Just my 2-cents.

Reading this page, it's time to once again quote my dearly departed friend John, a fountain of wisdom, compassion and gritty experience. When I would get frustrated at the obtuseness of others, he would say, "NEVER FORGET, DENIAL IS THE STRONGEST HUMAN EMOTION."

precioux said: