2004Fan said:

Saw a commercial on t.v. last night for Aspercreme with Lidocaine, and it stopped me in my tracks, because Lidocaine was found in those illicit pills that Prince took. Made me very sad.

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Of course, this numbing cream is for topical use only (not to be ingested).

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

Interesting I know a pilot the next time I run into him I will ask about it. I already asked about a plane loaded with drugs being allowed to take off and he side that was a no go.

Who said the plane was loaded with drugs?

I'm sure he had his black bag that he carried everywhere with him, pills were found in it, were they not?...at PP.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

Interesting I know a pilot the next time I run into him I will ask about it. I already asked about a plane loaded with drugs being allowed to take off and he side that was a no go.

Who said the plane was loaded with drugs?

I'm sure he had his black bag that he carried everywhere with him, pills were found in it, were they not?...at PP.

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I think Laura is referring to another plane she asked her Pilot friend about.

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Yes; he carried a travel bag with him for his personal items. I recall reading in the warrants that the bag was found near his bed/nightstand.

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Not sure if this bag mentioned in the warrants is the small black bag that he carried......

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In the suitcase next to Prince's bed, detectives found at least two bottles with pills prescribed by Schulenberg under Johnson's name on April 7: the anti-nausea drug ondansetron hydrochloride in a Vitamin D bottle, and the painkiller Percocet in a bottle labeled ondansetron.

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http://www.nbcnews.com/ne...rk-n747371

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PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

2004Fan said:

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Who said the plane was loaded with drugs?

I'm sure he had his black bag that he carried everywhere with him, pills were found in it, were they not?...at PP.

Back when all this started some news outlets were saying that the bags of different types of pills were on the plane. Once we we were able to read the search warrants nothing was said about this at all.

Oh, I see. Thanks.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I think Laura is referring to another plane she asked her Pilot friend about.

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Yes; he carried a travel bag with him for his personal items. I recall reading in the warrants that the bag was found near his bed/nightstand.

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Not sure if this bag mentioned in the warrants is the small black bag that he carried......

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In the suitcase next to Prince's bed, detectives found at least two bottles with pills prescribed by Schulenberg under Johnson's name on April 7: the anti-nausea drug ondansetron hydrochloride in a Vitamin D bottle, and the painkiller Percocet in a bottle labeled ondansetron.

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http://www.nbcnews.com/ne...rk-n747371

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Yes, we do not know if the travel bag was the same bag we have seen him photographed with or if it was an actual suitcase next to his bed. Like I said before he would not have needed Peter Bravestrong on his baggage on a private plane.

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Yes, it's described as a suitcase; they did not use the word "carry on" bag, like we saw him carrying in the pics. But, it might be the same bag.

laurarichardson said:

Yes, we do not know if the travel bag was the same bag we have seen him photographed with or if it was an actual suitcase next to his bed. Like I said before he would not have needed Peter Bravestrong on his baggage on a private plane.

I dont think he flew private on long distance plane rides.

I read where someone flew with him in 1st class on the way to Hawaii.

laurarichardson said:

2004Fan said:

IIRC, it's the media that ran to the Roberts a few days after the reunion of saturday, April 23rd, 2016 at PP.

--The Roberts could have kept quiet.

True, but as mnfriend wrote in post #780, they were caught off gard and were grieving and that's the feeling I got from reading the article. We also would not have known about his eating issues. They shed a little light on the last few months of is life.

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, we do not know if the travel bag was the same bag we have seen him photographed with or if it was an actual suitcase next to his bed. Like I said before he would not have needed Peter Bravestrong on his baggage on a private plane.

I dont think he flew private on long distance plane rides.

I read where someone flew with him in 1st class on the way to Hawaii.

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He flew into Perth, Australia on the same jet he was on in Moline:

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http://www.dailymail.co.u...-tour.html

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It could be that he did not always fly on a private jet. The thought of being on an airplane and someone says: "Hey, Prince is in first class!" LOL

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cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

It took almost 20 minutes from the call went to the tower to land so if they went on to Minneapolis who knows what would have happened. said:

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I read an article where someone with aviation experience gave their opinion on the Moline emergency landing. I would have to do some research to find it (so, don't quote me); but this person said that it really made no sense that they landed in Moline, when the aircraft could have easily landed in St Paul-Minneapolis in the same time-frame. I thought that was quite interesting.

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Imagine the attention it would get, landing ODd in Mineappolis....

So Stevie Nicks thread got locked too. I guess there can be no discussing the possibility of Prince having taken his own life...

Accidental OD or suicide. But who accidentally ODs twice in the same week?

MMJas said:

So Stevie Nicks thread got locked too. I guess there can be no discussing the possibility of Prince having taken his own life...

Accidental OD or suicide. But who accidentally ODs twice in the same week?

It does not matter if it was OD, sucide or under lying illness. There are people who are packing a lunch and living in La La land and who do not know how to skip a topic they are not interested.

It seems that every "death" thread is deleted. We are all speculating, but I wonder if the Sharon interview has anything to do with eliminating what could be distasteful to some people.

cloveringold85 said:

1Sasha said:

It seems that every "death" thread is deleted. We are all speculating, but I wonder if the Sharon interview has anything to do with eliminating what could be distasteful to some people.

It could be but as long as things are unresolved deleting will not make anything go away.

I know.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said: On his show he said that very few people die from opiad overdoses unless they are mixed with other drugs or alcohol because you keep vomiting up everything. He also said in his show that what Judith described sounded like a seziure because she said he stopped speaking in mis sentence and his eyes became fixed.

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Yes, the Moline incident is very suspicious as we can't get any clear information on what happened. Like you said, Dr. Drew said it sounded like a "seizure" in his professional opinion.

can narcan bring you out of a seizure? and if not i'm guessing the narcan doesn't harm you if it is giving in the wrong circumstance??

purplefam99 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, the Moline incident is very suspicious as we can't get any clear information on what happened. Like you said, Dr. Drew said it sounded like a "seizure" in his professional opinion.

can narcan bring you out of a seizure? and if not i'm guessing the narcan doesn't harm you if it is giving in the wrong circumstance??

no, it is strictly used to reverse the effects of opiods.
no, it is not harmful to someone even if they do not have opiods in their system.

purplefam99 said:

1Sasha said:

With a little research, one can find out a lot about this case. LauraRichardson has done her research, as have others. It is just my opinion, but we all have to have open minds about what might have happened, and about what led up to the final day.

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Narcan's only effective on opioid OD. My understanding is that it has no effect (negative or positive) on someone not ODing.

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Regarding the seizure theory, the descriptions I've read of petit mal and grand mal seizures sound nothing like what Judith Hill or the ambulence report described. (As always, curious to hear from a medical pro about this. I don't have any personal experience with these kinds of seizures.)

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This is Mayo Clinic's description of petit mal (also called absence seizures, which are mostly in kids): "a vacant stare, which may be mistaken for a lapse in attention that lasts 10 to 15 seconds, without any subsequent confusion, headache or drowsiness...A child may have absence seizures for some time before an adult notices the seizures, because they're so brief. "

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Grand mal: "Tonic phase: Loss of consciousness occurs, and the muscles suddenly contract and cause the person to fall down. This phase tends to last about 10 to 20 seconds. Clonic phase: The muscles go into rhythmic contractions, alternately flexing and relaxing. Convulsions usually last for less than two minutes."

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Prince went completely unconcious and stayed that way until medical treatment revived him 15+ minutes later. We don't have any description of convulsions, or a "vacant stare."

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(And just to be clear, I think the evidence is pretty conclusive that he ODed on opioids on the plane. This was just on my mind as people were discussion other theories.)

purplefam99 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, the Moline incident is very suspicious as we can't get any clear information on what happened. Like you said, Dr. Drew said it sounded like a "seizure" in his professional opinion.

can narcan bring you out of a seizure? and if not i'm guessing the narcan doesn't harm you if it is giving in the wrong circumstance??

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disch said:

Narcan's only effective on opioid OD. My understanding is that it has no effect (negative or positive) on someone not ODing.

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Regarding the seizure theory, the descriptions I've read of petit mal and grand mal seizures sound nothing like what Judith Hill or the ambulence report described. (As always, curious to hear from a medical pro about this. I don't have any personal experience with these kinds of seizures.)

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This is Mayo Clinic's description of petit mal (also called absence seizures, which are mostly in kids): "a vacant stare, which may be mistaken for a lapse in attention that lasts 10 to 15 seconds, without any subsequent confusion, headache or drowsiness...A child may have absence seizures for some time before an adult notices the seizures, because they're so brief. "

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Grand mal: "Tonic phase: Loss of consciousness occurs, and the muscles suddenly contract and cause the person to fall down. This phase tends to last about 10 to 20 seconds. Clonic phase: The muscles go into rhythmic contractions, alternately flexing and relaxing. Convulsions usually last for less than two minutes."

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Prince went completely unconcious and stayed that way until medical treatment revived him 15+ minutes later. We don't have any description of convulsions, or a "vacant stare."

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(And just to be clear, I think the evidence is pretty conclusive that he ODed on opioids on the plane. This was just on my mind as people were discussion other theories.)

purplefam99 said:

can narcan bring you out of a seizure? and if not i'm guessing the narcan doesn't harm you if it is giving in the wrong circumstance??

[Edited 7/19/17 10:29am]

Correct!

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

No need to use an aliase when you are on a private jet. Your bags will not be stolen.

Romero said he actually had the bag with him. He also said he was with Prince 24/7 up until the time he went on vacation.

Covering up is one thing. Standing around in St. Barts with a jacket and gloves is another thing and there are pics of him from the show in St. Barts dressed in the same get up.

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I'm really not sure why Prince would use an alias on a private jet. I'm just taking a wild guess.

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How is it possible to be with someone, 24/7? I'm sure Prince had to have some time alone.

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Not sure on the jacket and gloves; it was New Year's Eve, but I'm sure it was nice and balmy in St. Barts. Perhaps it was cold on the airplane? Prince was very thin, so not much body fat to keep him warm, I'm guess. If only he had some of my cooking, I could solve that problem! Sorry, I think this thread could use some humor right about now, LOL

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I do make a delicious baked ziti!!

thanks for the humor break, i needed one as i try to catch up from a few days ago.

cloveringold85 said:

Saw a commercial on t.v. last night for Aspercreme with Lidocaine, and it stopped me in my tracks, because Lidocaine was found in those illicit pills that Prince took. Made me very sad.

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Of course, this numbing cream is for topical use only (not to be ingested).

that is what i thought P might have been using on his knees or hips to help with pain as well.