I don't know, but I think the deletions are because those particular threads decended into name-calling, trolling, or just way off-topic stuff (for example there was a period I remember where there was a dedicatd thread just for "conspriacy theories" and everyone was supposed to keep such conversations there.)

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I think it's similar stuff that's gotten some individual members banned or suspended for periods of time.

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I for one would like it of those old threads could be locked but still accessible on the site. They are sort of a historical record of what some orgers were thinking during some very emotional times.

cloveringold85 said:

MMJas said:

So Stevie Nicks thread got locked too. I guess there can be no discussing the possibility of Prince having taken his own life...

Accidental OD or suicide. But who accidentally ODs twice in the same week?

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Any threads discussing the circumstances around Prince's death and alleged drug use, and the investigation gets deleted. I don't understand it, really. People still talk about Elvis' death, JFK, and people still talk about Michael Jackson's death, and those threads don't get deleted.

purplefam99 said:

cloveringold85 said:

Saw a commercial on t.v. last night for Aspercreme with Lidocaine, and it stopped me in my tracks, because Lidocaine was found in those illicit pills that Prince took. Made me very sad.

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Of course, this numbing cream is for topical use only (not to be ingested).

that is what i thought P might have been using on his knees or hips to help with pain as well.

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Yes, he probably was. They also make a roll-on type thingy as well. My husband sometimes gets really bad back pains and has to use this type of ointment. As you know, they also make those cold/hot patch things too.

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

thanks

As far Narcan read below. It is safe to use for other drugs and issues. So EMTs do use it if they are not sure what is in the person's system or if it might be combonation.

https://www.bjatraining.o...y-overdose
Naloxone only works on overdoses caused by opioids. This family of drugs includes prescription painkillers like OxyContin, fentanyl, methadone, and Vicodin, as well as street drugs like heroin. Naloxone will not reverse overdose resulting from non-opioid drugs, like cocaine, benzodiazepines (“benzos”), or alcohol. Given how safe naloxone is, a victim of a non-opioid overdose, or an overdose caused by a mixture of drugs will not be harmed by naloxone. In multiple drug overdoses (e.g., an opioid and a benzodiazepine) it is still worth administering naloxone as it will remove the effects of the opioid and may still reverse the overdose.
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thanks

laurarichardson said:

No, she said he was talking and his eyes became fixed and then he passed out. Or see exactly what she said below. “His eyes fixed,” just before he nodded off across a table from her, Ms. Hill, 32, recalled in an interview here, speaking for the first time about her presence on the April 15 flight from Atlanta, after Prince’s two shows there. Only one other passenger was on the private jet, Prince’s longtime friend and aide Kirk Johnson. They were bound for Paisley Park, Prince’s estate outside Minneapolis. Over vegetables and pasta, Prince and Ms. Hill discussed his performances that night, which turned out to be his last public concerts; other musicians like the funk singer Betty Davis; and photography, one of Prince’s hobbies. According to flight-tracking reports, the chartered 1988 Dassault Falcon 900 took off at 12:51 a.m. from Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport and was near Chicago, less than an hour from its destination, when Ms. Hill witnessed Prince fall unconscious. ]If she had glanced away in that instant, down at her phone or purse, she might have thought he had simply dozed off. [/b]“Thankfully, I happened to be looking into his face,” she said[/b]. [/u] Remember Dr.Drew said it did not sound like an O.D to him and we have a medical professional telling us the exact same thing on this board. We also have Prince himself telling everyone he had seziures. There is an interview with Morris Day on the Original 7 doc and he talks about how Prince use to space sometime when he was talking to him back in the day. These types of seziure can cause people to zone out and sometimes can start with severe headaches and sometime no warning at all and the person having may not even no they are having them. --- What is an absence seizure? An absence seizure causes a short period of “blanking out” or staring into space. Like other kinds of seizures, they are caused by brief abnormal electrical activity in a person’s brain. An absence seizure is a generalized onset seizure, which means it begins in both sides of the brain at the same time. An older term is petit mal seizures. Absence seizures usually affect only a person’s awareness of what is going on at that time, with immediate recovery. What do absence seizures look like? There are two types of absence seizures that may look a bit different. Both types of seizures are short, and people often don’t notice them at first. They may come and go so quickly that no one noties anything wrong. Or observers may mistake the symptoms for simple daydreaming or not paying attention. Typical Absence Seizures These seizures are the most common. The person suddenly stops all activity. It may look like he or she is staring off into space or just has a blank look. The eyes may turn upwards and eyelids flutter. The seizures usually last less than 10 seconds. Atypical Absence Seizures These absence seizures are called atypical because they may be longer, have a slower onset and offset, and involve different symptoms. The seizure still starts with staring into space, usually with a blank look. There is usually a change in muscle tone and movement. You may see Blinking over and over that may look like fluttering of the eyelids Smacking the lips or chewing movements Rubbing fingers together or making other hand motions An atypical absence seizure lasts longer, up to 20 seconds or more. -- So many different types and using drugs illegal or not can make things worst. A rack of different types of Seziures and syndrones http://www.epilepsy.com/l...s-seizures As far Narcan read below. It is safe to use for other drugs and issues. https://www.bjatraining.o...y-overdose Naloxone only works on overdoses caused by opioids. This family of drugs includes prescription painkillers like OxyContin, fentanyl, methadone, and Vicodin, as well as street drugs like heroin. Naloxone will not reverse overdose resulting from non-opioid drugs, like cocaine, benzodiazepines (“benzos”), or alcohol. Given how safe naloxone is, a victim of a non-opioid overdose, or an overdose caused by a mixture of drugs will not be harmed by naloxone. In multiple drug overdoses (e.g., an opioid and a benzodiazepine) it is still worth administering naloxone as it will remove the effects of the opioid and may still reverse the overdose. -------- said:

Narcan's only effective on opioid OD. My understanding is that it has no effect (negative or positive) on someone not ODing.

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Regarding the seizure theory, the descriptions I've read of petit mal and grand mal seizures sound nothing like what Judith Hill or the ambulence report described. (As always, curious to hear from a medical pro about this. I don't have any personal experience with these kinds of seizures.)

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This is Mayo Clinic's description of petit mal (also called absence seizures, which are mostly in kids): "a vacant stare, which may be mistaken for a lapse in attention that lasts 10 to 15 seconds, without any subsequent confusion, headache or drowsiness...A child may have absence seizures for some time before an adult notices the seizures, because they're so brief. "

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Grand mal: "Tonic phase: Loss of consciousness occurs, and the muscles suddenly contract and cause the person to fall down. This phase tends to last about 10 to 20 seconds. Clonic phase: The muscles go into rhythmic contractions, alternately flexing and relaxing. Convulsions usually last for less than two minutes."

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Prince went completely unconcious and stayed that way until medical treatment revived him 15+ minutes later. We don't have any description of convulsions, or a "vacant stare."

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(And just to be clear, I think the evidence is pretty conclusive that he ODed on opioids on the plane. This was just on my mind as people were discussion other theories.)

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Hmm, it's strange that article said they were close to "Chicago", because Chicago was not in the clear flight path; St. Paul-Minneapolis was. I actually found a website that shows the exact flight path; it was kinda sad looking at that, but I can post it, if anyone's interested in seeing it.

1Sasha said:

I feel like I am going to pharmacy school. I don't understand why the anti-nausea drug wasn't in its proper container, I don't know why the Percocet wasn't where it "should" be. It is just so strange that anything would be laying about, since I assume Prince didn't do his own housecleaning. Unless the pills weren't brought out until after Romeo left for his vacation, and no one else would be up in the residence that week. I have to go back to what many people have said here on the org: if it was my brother, and he was being labeled some junkie rock star, I would be fighting to clear his name if he had another illness or condition, such as cancer, and he was taking the pills to combat pain, etc.

i think she is cut from the same cloth and he was and isn't consumed with the need to speak. i just don't think she has the drive like him to be communicative in that way. She has said that

she grew up in a household that kept secrets. it was an audio you tube interview i believe that i

listened too, i believe the interview was prior to death.

PennyPurple said:

Morris didn't say he was having a seizure or seizures, Laura. Morris said (according to you) that he used to space sometimes when he was talking to him back in the day. The seizure stuff is being inserted by you, not by Morris.

laurarichardson said:

This is what Morris said.

There is an interview with Morris Day on the Original 7 doc and he talks about how Prince use to space sometime when he was talking to him back in the day.Petit mal seizure or Also called: absence seizure kind of sounds like what Morris was describing.

Petit mal seizure or Also called: absence seizure

Absence seizures look like staring spells during which the child is not aware or responsive. It can continue into adult hood It can also spin off into other eppiltic syndromes Lennox-Gastaut Syndrome which are never going to go away and some have no know meds for. There are at least 40 different types of epplictic seziure and syndromes. This is nothing to scoff at and certainly something he would not have gone into any detail about.

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but if i went to the dr and told him my kid was spacing out a lot and doesn't hear me when i try to

get him out of it. the dr might start to reason that he may be having seizures. since we know he

was epileptic, it is a significant clue that morris said even that.

purplefam99 said:

i would also like to comment on the HEP C. i was in a waiting room yesterday and there

was an article in country living magazine that was advertised to baby boomers saying that 1 in 30

baby boomers have hep c and don't know it. perhaps P did go his whole life and not know he

had it and that was the underlying condition and his liver taxed by hep C and simple could not filter any thing else and that

is why his drug levels were so high the liver was just not working properly any longer.

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Yes, HEP C has been talked a lot about recently. It is scary. We keep hearing about these other strange new viruses that are making people sick and some actually dying from them.

DD55 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I think Laura is referring to another plane she asked her Pilot friend about.

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Yes; he carried a travel bag with him for his personal items. I recall reading in the warrants that the bag was found near his bed/nightstand.

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Not sure if this bag mentioned in the warrants is the small black bag that he carried......

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In the suitcase next to Prince's bed, detectives found at least two bottles with pills prescribed by Schulenberg under Johnson's name on April 7: the anti-nausea drug ondansetron hydrochloride in a Vitamin D bottle, and the painkiller Percocet in a bottle labeled ondansetron.

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http://www.nbcnews.com/ne...rk-n747371

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The Ondansetron were in a Vitamin D bottle

The Percocet were in an Ondansteron bottle

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Why not just put the Percocet in the Vitamin D bottle? Why move the Ondansteron?

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I realize no one can know the answer, but it is curious to me. I apologize for the totally random question.

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I don't know either; it's very strange.

cloveringold85 said:

purplefam99 said:

thanks for the humor break, i needed one as i try to catch up from a few days ago.

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No problem!!

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I read a funny story once about how Patti LaBelle (love her); cooked all this delicious southern/soul food, and Prince only ate the bland stuff! LOL

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Now for me, I aint gonna pass up some southern fried chicken, mac and cheese and corn bread!!

me either!!!

cloveringold85 said:

purplefam99 said:

i would also like to comment on the HEP C. i was in a waiting room yesterday and there

was an article in country living magazine that was advertised to baby boomers saying that 1 in 30

baby boomers have hep c and don't know it. perhaps P did go his whole life and not know he

had it and that was the underlying condition and his liver taxed by hep C and simple could not filter any thing else and that

is why his drug levels were so high the liver was just not working properly any longer.

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Yes, HEP C has been talked a lot about recently. It is scary. We keep hearing about these other strange new viruses that are making people sick and some actually dying from them.

Isn't Hep C communicable?

disch said:

I don't know, but I think the deletions are because those particular threads decended into name-calling, trolling, or just way off-topic stuff (for example there was a period I remember where there was a dedicatd thread just for "conspriacy theories" and everyone was supposed to keep such conversations there.)

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I think it's similar stuff that's gotten some individual members banned or suspended for periods of time.

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I for one would like it of those old threads could be locked but still accessible on the site. They are sort of a historical record of what some orgers were thinking during some very emotional times.

cloveringold85 said:

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Any threads discussing the circumstances around Prince's death and alleged drug use, and the investigation gets deleted. I don't understand it, really. People still talk about Elvis' death, JFK, and people still talk about Michael Jackson's death, and those threads don't get deleted.

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It's strange, because they are completely deleting them. They used to just lock them. I agree; it helps to be able to go back to old threads from time-to-time when doing research, etc.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

She's come up with every possible theory but the obvious one, ahem *coughs* drug addiction!

It's the old 'Argument from ignorance' which means to say, an argument is true because it has not yet been proven false. LOL. We can't disprove he had cancer, organ failure, heptatitis C, resumption of epilepsy, AIDS. But the lack of evidence means he almost certainly didn't have these problems.

It sad when someone does not read well😰

You remind me of Donald Trump

Also, people with a good writing style tend to read very well. It's called verbal reasoning or verbal comprehension, on which you can test yourself online, should you so desire. But something tells me you won't.

purplefam99 said:

PennyPurple said:

Morris didn't say he was having a seizure or seizures, Laura. Morris said (according to you) that he used to space sometimes when he was talking to him back in the day. The seizure stuff is being inserted by you, not by Morris.

but if i went to the dr and told him my kid was spacing out a lot and doesn't hear me when i try to

get him out of it. the dr might start to reason that he may be having seizures. since we know he

was epileptic, it is a significant clue that morris said even that.

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I used to know someone who would "space out" like that. They would not react to my voice. After a minute or two, they would come out of it.

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I think we all "space out" from time-to-time, but that is not considered a seizure, i.e, I do that sometimes when I meditate or am in deep thought.

purplefam99 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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No problem!!

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I read a funny story once about how Patti LaBelle (love her); cooked all this delicious southern/soul food, and Prince only ate the bland stuff! LOL

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Now for me, I aint gonna pass up some southern fried chicken, mac and cheese and corn bread!!

me either!!!

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If I was there, I would say: "Prince, you is crazy!!!"

1Sasha said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, HEP C has been talked a lot about recently. It is scary. We keep hearing about these other strange new viruses that are making people sick and some actually dying from them.

Isn't Hep C communicable?

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I think so; if not treated.

cloveringold85 said:

purplefam99 said:

me either!!!

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If I was there, I would say: "Prince, you is crazy!!!"

and start eating off his plate!!!!!!

allow me a quick daydream

andre's mama seemed to love him like her own, i wish she would have kept a line open with him

and said "sugar what is going on with you" or "baby you don't need to have sex with the WHOLE world" or "you can occasionally sit down and take off those Heels" ok i'm back.

purplefam99 said:

1Sasha said:

I feel like I am going to pharmacy school. I don't understand why the anti-nausea drug wasn't in its proper container, I don't know why the Percocet wasn't where it "should" be. It is just so strange that anything would be laying about, since I assume Prince didn't do his own housecleaning. Unless the pills weren't brought out until after Romeo left for his vacation, and no one else would be up in the residence that week. I have to go back to what many people have said here on the org: if it was my brother, and he was being labeled some junkie rock star, I would be fighting to clear his name if he had another illness or condition, such as cancer, and he was taking the pills to combat pain, etc.

i think she is cut from the same cloth and he was and isn't consumed with the need to speak. i just don't think she has the drive like him to be communicative in that way. She has said that

she grew up in a household that kept secrets. it was an audio you tube interview i believe that i

listened too, i believe the interview was prior to death.

They both grew up in home with some serious problems she could just be a very withdrawn person.

The interview she did when she said they both ran away once and no one came looking for them was heartbreaking. If my kids ran away from home I would be losing my damm mind and my kid would not be living with a neighbor who had a son who stole stuff and another child who was a pimp. ( Andre's family)

purplefam99 said:

allow me a quick daydream

andre's mama seemed to love him like her own, i wish she would have kept a line open with him

and said "sugar what is going on with you" or "baby you don't need to have sex with the WHOLE world" or "you can occasionally sit down and take off those Heels" ok i'm back.

OH, purplefam99, this is SO sweet...

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said: It sad when someone does not read well😰

You remind me of Donald Trump

Also, people with a good writing style tend to read very well. It's called verbal reasoning or verbal comprehension, on which you can test yourself online, should you so desire. But something tells me you won't.

You should be the last person talking about reasoning. At no time have I ever said Prince was not using drugs. You simply skip over all bits of info and rattlle on having no idea what is even being discussed.

You keep droping in when you should be droping out.

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

i think she is cut from the same cloth and he was and isn't consumed with the need to speak. i just don't think she has the drive like him to be communicative in that way. She has said that

she grew up in a household that kept secrets. it was an audio you tube interview i believe that i

listened too, i believe the interview was prior to death.

They both grew up in home with some serious problems she could just be a very withdrawn person.

The interview she did when she said they both ran away once and no one came looking for them was heartbreaking. If my kids ran away from home I would be losing my damm mind and my kid would not be living with a neighbor who had a son who stole stuff and another child who was a pimp. ( Andre's family)

Yup...that's the point, LR, Mr. and Mrs. Nelson didn't care...and their children knew it. Talk about damaging...

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said: It sad when someone does not read well😰

You remind me of Donald Trump

Also, people with a good writing style tend to read very well. It's called verbal reasoning or verbal comprehension, on which you can test yourself online, should you so desire. But something tells me you won't.

You do not remind me of anyone because I do not waste my time thinking about you.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laurarichardson said:

They both grew up in home with some serious problems she could just be a very withdrawn person.

The interview she did when she said they both ran away once and no one came looking for them was heartbreaking. If my kids ran away from home I would be losing my damm mind and my kid would not be living with a neighbor who had a son who stole stuff and another child who was a pimp. ( Andre's family)

Yup...that's the point, LR, Mr. and Mrs. Nelson didn't care...and their children knew it. Talk about damaging...

It is incrediablity damanging and I still give him props for making it has far a he did in life. He had a hard road.

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

i think she is cut from the same cloth and he was and isn't consumed with the need to speak. i just don't think she has the drive like him to be communicative in that way. She has said that

she grew up in a household that kept secrets. it was an audio you tube interview i believe that i

listened too, i believe the interview was prior to death.

They both grew up in home with some serious problems she could just be a very withdrawn person.

The interview she did when she said they both ran away once and no one came looking for them was heartbreaking. If my kids ran away from home I would be losing my damm mind and my kid would not be living with a neighbor who had a son who stole stuff and another child who was a pimp. ( Andre's family)

we can't always help the decisions children/teenagers/young adults make but we can be there to give love if nothing else (andre's family). i think andre's mom loved her kids but would tell them whats what!! too all

the while making them a plate to eat.

MoBettaBliss said:

Adorecream said:

135 times the lethal dose. That is true drug addiction sorry. Why would anyone imbibe that much. Prince was a druggie and that has cooled my fandom somewhat.

if Prince having an addiction problem, like many human beings do, makes you think less of him, it says more about you than it does about him

Yes, MoBettaBliss, I totally agree. It's one thing for someone use drugs and simultaneously glorify the use of those drugs...that is an issue. Prince never glorified drug use. Addiction is a disease. People who are addicted or abusing need treatment and support, not ridicule.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

You remind me of Donald Trump

Also, people with a good writing style tend to read very well. It's called verbal reasoning or verbal comprehension, on which you can test yourself online, should you so desire. But something tells me you won't.

You should be the last person talking about reasoning. At no time have I ever said Prince was not using drugs. You simply skip over all bits of info and rattlle on having no idea what is even being discussed.

You keep droping in when you should be droping out.

Well you did have a problem with a few of us pointing out his problems could be classed as drug addiction. And you did have a problem with Dr Drew's exposition on fentanyl. Until you realised, that is, his apparent discovery the moline incident was best accounted for per the epileptic seizure theory, as alluded to by yourself. News to me I'm yet to discover this mystery source. Almost as though you magically willed it into being.

206Michelle said:

MoBettaBliss said:

if Prince having an addiction problem, like many human beings do, makes you think less of him, it says more about you than it does about him

Yes, MoBettaBliss, I totally agree. It's one thing for someone use drugs and simultaneously glorify the use of those drugs...that is an issue. Prince never glorified drug use. Addiction is a disease. People who are addicted or abusing need treatment and support, not ridicule.

I believe this fear of ridicule and embarassment over the situation he found himself in was a factor in his death. He couldn't deal with being outed as a druggie (and this had already started after Moline); because of his control issues, he never would gone to a lock-down rehab facility; because of pride/dignity and the realization that he may not have treated those in his life with the care and loyalty they deserved...he 'couldn't' call up Sheila or Dez or anybody and ask for help...he had limited options, perhaps even more limited by underlying organ damage only the ME would be able to confirm. At the end, he was alone in more ways than one. IMO, one fitting memorial to his memory would be if the family would admit the truth, help make PP both a center for music and dance and celebration AND drug awareness so we can add another wonderful thing that came out of his presence here on earth.

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

Are we tip-toeing around a conclusion that this overdose was deliberate?

--It is a possibility. We do not know if this came from one pill or several but keep in mind he had in his possession legit pain meds. Why take these and not the legit ones? I still have not seen any news of a massive deaths of people in the Minneapolis area with this level of Fentenyl. Why was Prince the only one to have this level of the drug? It was deliberate or someone got him some bad stuff and he had no idea what was in these pills.

But then if he had no idea what was in the pills, it still begs the question why were his clothes on backwards and inside-out?

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The cause of death on the death certificate is accidental overdose, so I accept that as the cause until evidence proves otherwise. (For the record, I would also rather believe that he died accidentally than by suicide, but if/when there is ever conclusive evidence to confirm that he deliberately took his own life, I will accept that evidence. If there is ever conclusive evidence to confirm that someone caused Prince's death, making it a homicide, I will accept that evidence also.)

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My thoughts have generated the following explanation for how the deathly overdose could be accidental. Perhaps Prince had already taken some opiates/pain meds that did not contain any fentanyl, these opiates/pain meds were affecting his cognition, and in this altered or woozy state-of-mind, he put his clothes on backwards and inside-out. Then, at some point, he ingested the pills that had Fentanyl, got on the elevator, and...died. I'm not trying to speculate, just trying to make sense of the situation given the details/facts that I know.

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laurarichardson said:

leec1 said:

leec1:

I have posted this previously. The link is below to a HLN video when Dr. Drew spoke with a medical examiner when the autopsy results were made public in June 2016. The medical examiner explains that diseases such as: AIDS, hepatitis etc. were not present otherwise they would have been listed in the autopsy report.

In addition, if you go to the CDC site, you will see that there are various illnesses that they track which indicate the Dept. of Health must notify them of deaths from these diseases.

Perhaps a medical professional can comment on whether diseases, such as cancer which the CDC tracks, would be required to be listed on an autopsy report in the contributory section.

https://www.youtube.com/w...vEj813Zjzo

In Minneasota only the short report is releashed to the public. Other issues are on a longer report which are sealed for 50 years unless the family allows it or it becomes needed for a criminal case.

Cancer or organ failure does not have to be reported to the CDC. Pain pills destroy your organs. You would have to stop using these meds immediatly.

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30 years...and another question that just popped into my mind...is the family stalling on the criminal investigation as to NOT have the long report available?

being in their eyes, what's the point? especially if they knew he had a problem, or knew what was going to happen in 2 years? JS

bolded:I wonder if "the angel" was part of an NDE experience and at the time, he didn't know any better, being that he was a child?

PennyPurple said:

Prince said he suffered from seizures as a little boy, but since the angel came to him and said he was healed, he had never suffered from another one.

laurarichardson said:

No, she said he was talking and his eyes became fixed and then he passed out. Or see exactly what she said below. “His eyes fixed,” just before he nodded off across a table from her, Ms. Hill, 32, recalled in an interview here, speaking for the first time about her presence on the April 15 flight from Atlanta, after Prince’s two shows there. Only one other passenger was on the private jet, Prince’s longtime friend and aide Kirk Johnson. They were bound for Paisley Park, Prince’s estate outside Minneapolis. Over vegetables and pasta, Prince and Ms. Hill discussed his performances that night, which turned out to be his last public concerts; other musicians like the funk singer Betty Davis; and photography, one of Prince’s hobbies. According to flight-tracking reports, the chartered 1988 Dassault Falcon 900 took off at 12:51 a.m. from Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport and was near Chicago, less than an hour from its destination, when Ms. Hill witnessed Prince fall unconscious. ]If she had glanced away in that instant, down at her phone or purse, she might have thought he had simply dozed off. [/b]“Thankfully, I happened to be looking into his face,” she said[/b]. [/u] Remember Dr.Drew said it did not sound like an O.D to him and we have a medical professional telling us the exact same thing on this board. We also have Prince himself telling everyone he had seziures. There is an interview with Morris Day on the Original 7 doc and he talks about how Prince use to space sometime when he was talking to him back in the day. These types of seziure can cause people to zone out and sometimes can start with severe headaches and sometime no warning at all and the person having may not even no they are having them. --- What is an absence seizure? An absence seizure causes a short period of “blanking out” or staring into space. Like other kinds of seizures, they are caused by brief abnormal electrical activity in a person’s brain. An absence seizure is a generalized onset seizure, which means it begins in both sides of the brain at the same time. An older term is petit mal seizures. Absence seizures usually affect only a person’s awareness of what is going on at that time, with immediate recovery. What do absence seizures look like? There are two types of absence seizures that may look a bit different. Both types of seizures are short, and people often don’t notice them at first. They may come and go so quickly that no one noties anything wrong. Or observers may mistake the symptoms for simple daydreaming or not paying attention. Typical Absence Seizures These seizures are the most common. The person suddenly stops all activity. It may look like he or she is staring off into space or just has a blank look. The eyes may turn upwards and eyelids flutter. The seizures usually last less than 10 seconds. Atypical Absence Seizures These absence seizures are called atypical because they may be longer, have a slower onset and offset, and involve different symptoms. The seizure still starts with staring into space, usually with a blank look. There is usually a change in muscle tone and movement. You may see Blinking over and over that may look like fluttering of the eyelids Smacking the lips or chewing movements Rubbing fingers together or making other hand motions An atypical absence seizure lasts longer, up to 20 seconds or more. -- So many different types and using drugs illegal or not can make things worst. A rack of different types of Seziures and syndrones http://www.epilepsy.com/l...s-seizures As far Narcan read below. It is safe to use for other drugs and issues. https://www.bjatraining.o...y-overdose Naloxone only works on overdoses caused by opioids. This family of drugs includes prescription painkillers like OxyContin, fentanyl, methadone, and Vicodin, as well as street drugs like heroin. Naloxone will not reverse overdose resulting from non-opioid drugs, like cocaine, benzodiazepines (“benzos”), or alcohol. Given how safe naloxone is, a victim of a non-opioid overdose, or an overdose caused by a mixture of drugs will not be harmed by naloxone. In multiple drug overdoses (e.g., an opioid and a benzodiazepine) it is still worth administering naloxone as it will remove the effects of the opioid and may still reverse the overdose. -------- said: [Edited 7/19/17 11:00am]