said:

laurarichardson said:

No, she said he was talking and his then became fixed and past out. Remember Dr.Drew said it did not sound like an O.D to him and we have a medical professional telling us the exact same thing on this board. We also have Prince himself telling everyone he had seziures. There is an interview with Morris Day on the Original 7 doc and he talks about how Prince use to space sometime when he was talking to him back in the day. These types of seziure can cause people to zone out and sometimes can start with severe headaches and sometime no wearing at all and the person having may not even no they are having them. said:

Narcan's only effective on opioid OD. My understanding is that it has no effect (negative or positive) on someone not ODing.

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Regarding the seizure theory, the descriptions I've read of petit mal and grand mal seizures sound nothing like what Judith Hill or the ambulence report described. (As always, curious to hear from a medical pro about this. I don't have any personal experience with these kinds of seizures.)

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This is Mayo Clinic's description of petit mal (also called absence seizures, which are mostly in kids): "a vacant stare, which may be mistaken for a lapse in attention that lasts 10 to 15 seconds, without any subsequent confusion, headache or drowsiness...A child may have absence seizures for some time before an adult notices the seizures, because they're so brief. "

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Grand mal: "Tonic phase: Loss of consciousness occurs, and the muscles suddenly contract and cause the person to fall down. This phase tends to last about 10 to 20 seconds. Clonic phase: The muscles go into rhythmic contractions, alternately flexing and relaxing. Convulsions usually last for less than two minutes."

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Prince went completely unconcious and stayed that way until medical treatment revived him 15+ minutes later. We don't have any description of convulsions, or a "vacant stare."

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(And just to be clear, I think the evidence is pretty conclusive that he ODed on opioids on the plane. This was just on my mind as people were discussion other theories.)

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thanks!!!

i would also like to comment on the HEP C. i was in a waiting room yesterday and there

was an article in country living magazine that was advertised to baby boomers saying that 1 in 30

baby boomers have hep c and don't know it. perhaps P did go his whole life and not know he

had it and that was the underlying condition and his liver taxed by hep C and simple could not filter any thing else and that

is why his drug levels were so high the liver was just not working properly any longer.

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

So Stevie Nicks thread got locked too. I guess there can be no discussing the possibility of Prince having taken his own life...

Accidental OD or suicide. But who accidentally ODs twice in the same week?

It does not matter if it was OD, sucide or under lying illness. There are people who are packing a lunch and living in La La land and who do not know how to skip a topic they are not interested.

what she said ^^^^

precioux said:

purplefam99 said:

can narcan bring you out of a seizure? and if not i'm guessing the narcan doesn't harm you if it is giving in the wrong circumstance??

no, it is strictly used to reverse the effects of opiods.
no, it is not harmful to someone even if they do not have opiods in their system.

thanks

Again, Prince passed out completely and remained unconcious until medical treatment revived him 15+ minutes later. The seizures described below are naturallly over in 15 second to 2 or 3 minutes. Sounds very different to me.

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The doctor who treated Prince in Moline documented it as being an opioid OD. That doctor's conclusion carries much, much more weight for me than others who weren't part of the emergency or treatment.

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Anyway, we'll just agree to disagree on this.

laurarichardson said:

No, she said he was talking and his then became fixed and past out. Remember Dr.Drew said it did not sound like an O.D to him and we have a medical professional telling us the exact same thing on this board. We also have Prince himself telling everyone he had seziures. There is an interview with Morris Day on the Original 7 doc and he talks about how Prince use to space sometime when he was talking to him back in the day. These types of seziure can cause people to zone out and sometimes can start with severe headaches and sometime no wearing at all and the person having may not even no they are having them. said:

Narcan's only effective on opioid OD. My understanding is that it has no effect (negative or positive) on someone not ODing.

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Regarding the seizure theory, the descriptions I've read of petit mal and grand mal seizures sound nothing like what Judith Hill or the ambulence report described. (As always, curious to hear from a medical pro about this. I don't have any personal experience with these kinds of seizures.)

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This is Mayo Clinic's description of petit mal (also called absence seizures, which are mostly in kids): "a vacant stare, which may be mistaken for a lapse in attention that lasts 10 to 15 seconds, without any subsequent confusion, headache or drowsiness...A child may have absence seizures for some time before an adult notices the seizures, because they're so brief. "

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Grand mal: "Tonic phase: Loss of consciousness occurs, and the muscles suddenly contract and cause the person to fall down. This phase tends to last about 10 to 20 seconds. Clonic phase: The muscles go into rhythmic contractions, alternately flexing and relaxing. Convulsions usually last for less than two minutes."

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Prince went completely unconcious and stayed that way until medical treatment revived him 15+ minutes later. We don't have any description of convulsions, or a "vacant stare."

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(And just to be clear, I think the evidence is pretty conclusive that he ODed on opioids on the plane. This was just on my mind as people were discussion other theories.)

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purplefam99 said:

i would also like to comment on the HEP C. i was in a waiting room yesterday and there

was an article in country living magazine that was advertised to baby boomers saying that 1 in 30

baby boomers have hep c and don't know it. perhaps P did go his whole life and not know he

had it and that was the underlying condition and his liver taxed by hep C and simple could not filter any thing else and that

is why his drug levels were so high the liver was just not working properly any longer.

After the toxicolgy report came out this was the only reason I brought it up again.

purplefam99 said:

i would also like to comment on the HEP C. i was in a waiting room yesterday and there

was an article in country living magazine that was advertised to baby boomers saying that 1 in 30

baby boomers have hep c and don't know it. perhaps P did go his whole life and not know he

had it and that was the underlying condition and his liver taxed by hep C and simple could not filter any thing else and that

is why his drug levels were so high the liver was just not working properly any longer.

leec1:

I have posted this previously. The link is below to a HLN video when Dr. Drew spoke with a medical examiner when the autopsy results were made public in June 2016. The medical examiner explains that diseases such as: AIDS, hepatitis etc. were not present otherwise they would have been listed in the autopsy report.

In addition, if you go to the CDC site, you will see that there are various illnesses that they track which indicate the Dept. of Health must notify them of deaths from these diseases.

Perhaps a medical professional can comment on whether diseases, such as cancer which the CDC tracks, would be required to be listed on an autopsy report in the contributory section.

No I am saying he could have had both problems going on. Using drugs or alcohol can increase the seziures and make them more servere. There are about 3 dozen different types and syndromes and the opiads themselves can cause seziures. I also have looked at the program Intervention which had a epodise about people abusing pain pills. None of those people looked like death warmed over in the face like Prince did.

No one is saying he did not have an issue that day with pain pills. Some of us believe he had other issues that were causing him pain perhaps accelerating health issues he may have already have.

There is too much stuff here to be a coincedence. People do not plan to o.d. two years ahead. In addition, rumors have been going around from back to last year that he had a terminal condition.

disch said:

Well, we'll just agree to disagree what the evidence we have indicates about the plane emerency specifically. Sounds like you're pretty convinced that his emergency onboard was brought o by some disorder unrelated to opioids.

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The doctor who treated Prince in Moline documented it as being an opioid OD. That doctor's conclusion carries much, much more weight for me than others who weren't part of the emergency or treatment.

laurarichardson said:

No, she said he was talking and his then became fixed and past out. Remember Dr.Drew said it did not sound like an O.D to him and we have a medical professional telling us the exact same thing on this board. We also have Prince himself telling everyone he had seziures. There is an interview with Morris Day on the Original 7 doc and he talks about how Prince use to space sometime when he was talking to him back in the day. These types of seziure can cause people to zone out and sometimes can start with severe headaches and sometime no wearing at all and the person having may not even no they are having them. said:

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cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

Who said the plane was loaded with drugs?

I'm sure he had his black bag that he carried everywhere with him, pills were found in it, were they not?...at PP.

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I think Laura is referring to another plane she asked her Pilot friend about.

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Yes; he carried a travel bag with him for his personal items. I recall reading in the warrants that the bag was found near his bed/nightstand.

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Not sure if this bag mentioned in the warrants is the small black bag that he carried......

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In the suitcase next to Prince's bed, detectives found at least two bottles with pills prescribed by Schulenberg under Johnson's name on April 7: the anti-nausea drug ondansetron hydrochloride in a Vitamin D bottle, and the painkiller Percocet in a bottle labeled ondansetron.

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http://www.nbcnews.com/ne...rk-n747371

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purplefam99 said:

precioux said:

no, it is strictly used to reverse the effects of opiods.
no, it is not harmful to someone even if they do not have opiods in their system.

thanks

As far Narcan read below. It is safe to use for other drugs and issues. So EMTs do use it if they are not sure what is in the person's system or if it might be combonation.

https://www.bjatraining.o...y-overdose
Naloxone only works on overdoses caused by opioids. This family of drugs includes prescription painkillers like OxyContin, fentanyl, methadone, and Vicodin, as well as street drugs like heroin. Naloxone will not reverse overdose resulting from non-opioid drugs, like cocaine, benzodiazepines (“benzos”), or alcohol. Given how safe naloxone is, a victim of a non-opioid overdose, or an overdose caused by a mixture of drugs will not be harmed by naloxone. In multiple drug overdoses (e.g., an opioid and a benzodiazepine) it is still worth administering naloxone as it will remove the effects of the opioid and may still reverse the overdose.
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leec1 said:

purplefam99 said:

i would also like to comment on the HEP C. i was in a waiting room yesterday and there

was an article in country living magazine that was advertised to baby boomers saying that 1 in 30

baby boomers have hep c and don't know it. perhaps P did go his whole life and not know he

had it and that was the underlying condition and his liver taxed by hep C and simple could not filter any thing else and that

is why his drug levels were so high the liver was just not working properly any longer.

leec1:

I have posted this previously. The link is below to a HLN video when Dr. Drew spoke with a medical examiner when the autopsy results were made public in June 2016. The medical examiner explains that diseases such as: AIDS, hepatitis etc. were not present otherwise they would have been listed in the autopsy report.

In addition, if you go to the CDC site, you will see that there are various illnesses that they track which indicate the Dept. of Health must notify them of deaths from these diseases.

Perhaps a medical professional can comment on whether diseases, such as cancer which the CDC tracks, would be required to be listed on an autopsy report in the contributory section.

https://www.youtube.com/w...vEj813Zjzo

In Minneasota only the short report is releashed to the public. Other issues are on a longer report which are sealed for 50 years unless the family allows it or it becomes needed for a criminal case.

Cancer or organ failure does not have to be reported to the CDC. Pain pills destroy your organs. You would have to stop using these meds immediatly.

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Prince said he suffered from seizures as a little boy, but since the angel came to him and said he was healed, he had never suffered from another one.

laurarichardson said:

No, she said he was talking and his eyes became fixed and then he passed out. Or see exactly what she said below. “His eyes fixed,” just before he nodded off across a table from her, Ms. Hill, 32, recalled in an interview here, speaking for the first time about her presence on the April 15 flight from Atlanta, after Prince’s two shows there. Only one other passenger was on the private jet, Prince’s longtime friend and aide Kirk Johnson. They were bound for Paisley Park, Prince’s estate outside Minneapolis. Over vegetables and pasta, Prince and Ms. Hill discussed his performances that night, which turned out to be his last public concerts; other musicians like the funk singer Betty Davis; and photography, one of Prince’s hobbies. According to flight-tracking reports, the chartered 1988 Dassault Falcon 900 took off at 12:51 a.m. from Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport and was near Chicago, less than an hour from its destination, when Ms. Hill witnessed Prince fall unconscious. ]If she had glanced away in that instant, down at her phone or purse, she might have thought he had simply dozed off. [/b]“Thankfully, I happened to be looking into his face,” she said[/b]. [/u] Remember Dr.Drew said it did not sound like an O.D to him and we have a medical professional telling us the exact same thing on this board. We also have Prince himself telling everyone he had seziures. There is an interview with Morris Day on the Original 7 doc and he talks about how Prince use to space sometime when he was talking to him back in the day. These types of seziure can cause people to zone out and sometimes can start with severe headaches and sometime no warning at all and the person having may not even no they are having them. --- What is an absence seizure? An absence seizure causes a short period of “blanking out” or staring into space. Like other kinds of seizures, they are caused by brief abnormal electrical activity in a person’s brain. An absence seizure is a generalized onset seizure, which means it begins in both sides of the brain at the same time. An older term is petit mal seizures. Absence seizures usually affect only a person’s awareness of what is going on at that time, with immediate recovery. What do absence seizures look like? There are two types of absence seizures that may look a bit different. Both types of seizures are short, and people often don’t notice them at first. They may come and go so quickly that no one noties anything wrong. Or observers may mistake the symptoms for simple daydreaming or not paying attention. Typical Absence Seizures These seizures are the most common. The person suddenly stops all activity. It may look like he or she is staring off into space or just has a blank look. The eyes may turn upwards and eyelids flutter. The seizures usually last less than 10 seconds. Atypical Absence Seizures These absence seizures are called atypical because they may be longer, have a slower onset and offset, and involve different symptoms. The seizure still starts with staring into space, usually with a blank look. There is usually a change in muscle tone and movement. You may see Blinking over and over that may look like fluttering of the eyelids Smacking the lips or chewing movements Rubbing fingers together or making other hand motions An atypical absence seizure lasts longer, up to 20 seconds or more. -- So many different types and using drugs illegal or not can make things worst. A rack of different types of Seziures and syndrones http://www.epilepsy.com/l...s-seizures As far Narcan read below. It is safe to use for other drugs and issues. https://www.bjatraining.o...y-overdose Naloxone only works on overdoses caused by opioids. This family of drugs includes prescription painkillers like OxyContin, fentanyl, methadone, and Vicodin, as well as street drugs like heroin. Naloxone will not reverse overdose resulting from non-opioid drugs, like cocaine, benzodiazepines (“benzos”), or alcohol. Given how safe naloxone is, a victim of a non-opioid overdose, or an overdose caused by a mixture of drugs will not be harmed by naloxone. In multiple drug overdoses (e.g., an opioid and a benzodiazepine) it is still worth administering naloxone as it will remove the effects of the opioid and may still reverse the overdose. -------- said:

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He said he mom told him he told her that an angel came to him and said he was not going to have them anymore. Well he said he was five when this happened. If you want to believe he never had another seizure in life go ahead. I just told you what Morris Day said a few years ago in the Original 7 documentary and he did not meet Prince until JHS.

PennyPurple said:

Prince said he suffered from seizures as a little boy, but since the angel came to him and said he was healed, he had never suffered from another one.

laurarichardson said:

No, she said he was talking and his eyes became fixed and then he passed out. Or see exactly what she said below. “His eyes fixed,” just before he nodded off across a table from her, Ms. Hill, 32, recalled in an interview here, speaking for the first time about her presence on the April 15 flight from Atlanta, after Prince’s two shows there. Only one other passenger was on the private jet, Prince’s longtime friend and aide Kirk Johnson. They were bound for Paisley Park, Prince’s estate outside Minneapolis. Over vegetables and pasta, Prince and Ms. Hill discussed his performances that night, which turned out to be his last public concerts; other musicians like the funk singer Betty Davis; and photography, one of Prince’s hobbies. According to flight-tracking reports, the chartered 1988 Dassault Falcon 900 took off at 12:51 a.m. from Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport and was near Chicago, less than an hour from its destination, when Ms. Hill witnessed Prince fall unconscious. ]If she had glanced away in that instant, down at her phone or purse, she might have thought he had simply dozed off. [/b]“Thankfully, I happened to be looking into his face,” she said[/b]. [/u] Remember Dr.Drew said it did not sound like an O.D to him and we have a medical professional telling us the exact same thing on this board. We also have Prince himself telling everyone he had seziures. There is an interview with Morris Day on the Original 7 doc and he talks about how Prince use to space sometime when he was talking to him back in the day. These types of seziure can cause people to zone out and sometimes can start with severe headaches and sometime no warning at all and the person having may not even no they are having them. --- What is an absence seizure? An absence seizure causes a short period of “blanking out” or staring into space. Like other kinds of seizures, they are caused by brief abnormal electrical activity in a person’s brain. An absence seizure is a generalized onset seizure, which means it begins in both sides of the brain at the same time. An older term is petit mal seizures. Absence seizures usually affect only a person’s awareness of what is going on at that time, with immediate recovery. What do absence seizures look like? There are two types of absence seizures that may look a bit different. Both types of seizures are short, and people often don’t notice them at first. They may come and go so quickly that no one noties anything wrong. Or observers may mistake the symptoms for simple daydreaming or not paying attention. Typical Absence Seizures These seizures are the most common. The person suddenly stops all activity. It may look like he or she is staring off into space or just has a blank look. The eyes may turn upwards and eyelids flutter. The seizures usually last less than 10 seconds. Atypical Absence Seizures These absence seizures are called atypical because they may be longer, have a slower onset and offset, and involve different symptoms. The seizure still starts with staring into space, usually with a blank look. There is usually a change in muscle tone and movement. You may see Blinking over and over that may look like fluttering of the eyelids Smacking the lips or chewing movements Rubbing fingers together or making other hand motions An atypical absence seizure lasts longer, up to 20 seconds or more. -- So many different types and using drugs illegal or not can make things worst. A rack of different types of Seziures and syndrones http://www.epilepsy.com/l...s-seizures As far Narcan read below. It is safe to use for other drugs and issues. https://www.bjatraining.o...y-overdose Naloxone only works on overdoses caused by opioids. This family of drugs includes prescription painkillers like OxyContin, fentanyl, methadone, and Vicodin, as well as street drugs like heroin. Naloxone will not reverse overdose resulting from non-opioid drugs, like cocaine, benzodiazepines (“benzos”), or alcohol. Given how safe naloxone is, a victim of a non-opioid overdose, or an overdose caused by a mixture of drugs will not be harmed by naloxone. In multiple drug overdoses (e.g., an opioid and a benzodiazepine) it is still worth administering naloxone as it will remove the effects of the opioid and may still reverse the overdose. -------- said: [Edited 7/19/17 11:00am]

laurarichardson said:

He said he mom told him he told her that an angel came to him and said he was not going to have them anymore. Well he said he was five when this happened. If you want to believe he never had another seizure in life go ahead. I just told you what Morris Day said a few years ago in the Original 7 documentary and he did not meet Prince until JHS.

PennyPurple said:

Prince said he suffered from seizures as a little boy, but since the angel came to him and said he was healed, he had never suffered from another one.

Morris Day didn't say he had seizures.

I feel like I am going to pharmacy school. I don't understand why the anti-nausea drug wasn't in its proper container, I don't know why the Percocet wasn't where it "should" be. It is just so strange that anything would be laying about, since I assume Prince didn't do his own housecleaning. Unless the pills weren't brought out until after Romeo left for his vacation, and no one else would be up in the residence that week. I have to go back to what many people have said here on the org: if it was my brother, and he was being labeled some junkie rock star, I would be fighting to clear his name if he had another illness or condition, such as cancer, and he was taking the pills to combat pain, etc.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

He said he mom told him he told her that an angel came to him and said he was not going to have them anymore. Well he said he was five when this happened. If you want to believe he never had another seizure in life go ahead. I just told you what Morris Day said a few years ago in the Original 7 documentary and he did not meet Prince until JHS.

Morris Day didn't say he had seizures.

This is what Morris said.

There is an interview with Morris Day on the Original 7 doc and he talks about how Prince use to space sometime when he was talking to him back in the day.Petit mal seizure or Also called: absence seizure kind of sounds like what Morris was describing.

Absence seizures look like staring spells during which the child is not aware or responsive. It can continue into adult hood It can also spin off into other eppiltic syndromes Lennox-Gastaut Syndrome which are never going to go away and some have no know meds for. There are at least 40 different types of epplictic seziure and syndromes. This is nothing to scoff at and certainly something he would not have gone into any detail about.

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Morris didn't say he was having a seizure or seizures, Laura. Morris said (according to you) that he used to space sometimes when he was talking to him back in the day. The seizure stuff is being inserted by you, not by Morris.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Morris Day didn't say he had seizures.

This is what Morris said.

There is an interview with Morris Day on the Original 7 doc and he talks about how Prince use to space sometime when he was talking to him back in the day.Petit mal seizure or Also called: absence seizure kind of sounds like what Morris was describing.

Petit mal seizure or Also called: absence seizure

Absence seizures look like staring spells during which the child is not aware or responsive. It can continue into adult hood It can also spin off into other eppiltic syndromes Lennox-Gastaut Syndrome which are never going to go away and some have no know meds for. There are at least 40 different types of epplictic seziure and syndromes. This is nothing to scoff at and certainly something he would not have gone into any detail about.

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1Sasha said:

I feel like I am going to pharmacy school. I don't understand why the anti-nausea drug wasn't in its proper container, I don't know why the Percocet wasn't where it "should" be. It is just so strange that anything would be laying about, since I assume Prince didn't do his own housecleaning. Unless the pills weren't brought out until after Romeo left for his vacation, and no one else would be up in the residence that week. I have to go back to what many people have said here on the org: if it was my brother, and he was being labeled some junkie rock star, I would be fighting to clear his name if he had another illness or condition, such as cancer, and he was taking the pills to combat pain, etc.

Exactly, even joint pain. We have had Tavis Smiley, Billy Sparks and Scotty Baldwin speak on it but no one from his family. I feel it he was in pain he had to do what he had to do. It is a hard stituation to manage. The pills are going to help your pain but kill your organs.

One thing is that there was a mix of real and counterfeit drugs. We just know what the appearance of the drugs was based on the description in the warrants, not if they were the real thing.

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I would assume Prince had a way he stored and organized his pills that made sense to him even if not to people like us (who only know bits and pieces about this stuff). I think there are things we could only know by asking him an unfortunately that's not an option.

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Having an underlying condition doesn't mean he couldn't also be struggling with addiction. Frankly if he had cancer that wouldn't answer any questions I have; it would cause a lot more, namely: Why would he self-medicate a disease like that with illicit drugs rather than getting proper medical care?

1Sasha said:

I feel like I am going to pharmacy school. I don't understand why the anti-nausea drug wasn't in its proper container, I don't know why the Percocet wasn't where it "should" be. It is just so strange that anything would be laying about, since I assume Prince didn't do his own housecleaning. Unless the pills weren't brought out until after Romeo left for his vacation, and no one else would be up in the residence that week. I have to go back to what many people have said here on the org: if it was my brother, and he was being labeled some junkie rock star, I would be fighting to clear his name if he had another illness or condition, such as cancer, and he was taking the pills to combat pain, etc.

I never said Morris said he had seziures. I said to me what Morris described sounds like a Absence Seziure. You can find the documentary on YOUTUBE and this was filmed back in 09 or 10 not recently and Morris certainly was not speaking about it in a caring manner.

This is what I think and you need to slow down and read what is stated.

PennyPurple said:

Morris didn't say he was having a seizure or seizures, Laura. Morris said (according to you) that he used to space sometimes when he was talking to him back in the day. The seizure stuff is being inserted by you, not by Morris.

laurarichardson said:

This is what Morris said.

There is an interview with Morris Day on the Original 7 doc and he talks about how Prince use to space sometime when he was talking to him back in the day.Petit mal seizure or Also called: absence seizure kind of sounds like what Morris was describing.

Petit mal seizure or Also called: absence seizure

Absence seizures look like staring spells during which the child is not aware or responsive. It can continue into adult hood It can also spin off into other eppiltic syndromes Lennox-Gastaut Syndrome which are never going to go away and some have no know meds for. There are at least 40 different types of epplictic seziure and syndromes. This is nothing to scoff at and certainly something he would not have gone into any detail about.

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"Having an underlying condition doesn't mean he couldn't also be struggling with addiction. "

I never said it did. He could have been dealing with both. Joint pain is a medical condition that could have lead to the addiction.

He had gone to see Dr. S twice and I do not see why he would not have gone to see other doctors under assumed names in the past. We know he was in the hospital twice for treatments in 2014 and 2015 per Kirk comments in the search warrents. We know he had 65k in medical expenses on his inventory report which we now know was not for an ambulance ride.

We simply have no way of knowing what medical issues or treatment he had been receiving and what links he would go to for protecting his privacy. He had enough money to go anywhere in the world and receive any treatement he wanted without the public knowing anything about it.

I think some of you forget the rich do not do things like the rest of us.

disch said:

One thing is that there was a mix of real and counterfeit drugs. We just know what the appearance of the drugs was based on the description in the warrants, not if they were the real thing.

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I would assume Prince had a way he stored and organized his pills that made sense to him even if not to people like us (who only know bits and pieces about this stuff). I think there are things we could only know by asking him an unfortunately that's not an option.

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Having an underlying condition doesn't mean he couldn't also be struggling with addiction. Frankly if he had cancer that wouldn't answer any questions I have; it would cause a lot more, namely: Why would he self-medicate a disease like that with illicit drugs rather than getting proper medical care?

1Sasha said:

I feel like I am going to pharmacy school. I don't understand why the anti-nausea drug wasn't in its proper container, I don't know why the Percocet wasn't where it "should" be. It is just so strange that anything would be laying about, since I assume Prince didn't do his own housecleaning. Unless the pills weren't brought out until after Romeo left for his vacation, and no one else would be up in the residence that week. I have to go back to what many people have said here on the org: if it was my brother, and he was being labeled some junkie rock star, I would be fighting to clear his name if he had another illness or condition, such as cancer, and he was taking the pills to combat pain, etc.

I think it's a massive jump from "morris said Prince spaced out while talking sometimes" to "Prince was having to petit mal seizures at the time" to "Prince was having a serious seizure disorder around the time of his death."

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Sorry, I'd need a WHOLE lot more evidence to be convinced that Prince was struggling with a neorological seizure disorder in the final months/years of his life.

laurarichardson said:

I never said Morris said he had seziures. I said to me what Morris described sounds like a Absence Seziure. You can find the documentary on YOUTUBE and this was filmed back in 09 or 10 not recently and Morris certainly was not speaking about it in a caring manner.

This is what I think and you need to slow down and read what is stated.

PennyPurple said:

Morris didn't say he was having a seizure or seizures, Laura. Morris said (according to you) that he used to space sometimes when he was talking to him back in the day. The seizure stuff is being inserted by you, not by Morris.

laurarichardson said:

leec1 said:

leec1:

I have posted this previously. The link is below to a HLN video when Dr. Drew spoke with a medical examiner when the autopsy results were made public in June 2016. The medical examiner explains that diseases such as: AIDS, hepatitis etc. were not present otherwise they would have been listed in the autopsy report.

In addition, if you go to the CDC site, you will see that there are various illnesses that they track which indicate the Dept. of Health must notify them of deaths from these diseases.

Perhaps a medical professional can comment on whether diseases, such as cancer which the CDC tracks, would be required to be listed on an autopsy report in the contributory section.

https://www.youtube.com/w...vEj813Zjzo

In Minneasota only the short report is releashed to the public. Other issues are on a longer report which are sealed for 50 years unless the family allows it or it becomes needed for a criminal case.

Cancer or organ failure does not have to be reported to the CDC. Pain pills destroy your organs. You would have to stop using these meds immediatly.

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leec1:

Did you view this video? It is the 2 doctors discussing the autopsy findings which include this medical examiner stating that communicable diseases such as AIDS, etc. would have to be listed on the autopsy report.

My recollection is that the in Minnesota autopsies are unsealed in 30 years.

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cloveringold85 said:

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He flew into Perth, Australia on the same jet he was on in Moline:

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http://www.dailymail.co.u...-tour.html

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It could be that he did not always fly on a private jet. The thought of being on an airplane and someone says: "Hey, Prince is in first class!" LOL

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I believe he was using this private jet for this tour. As I said before a long flight for someone dealing with withdrawals and you do not need to check your bags. [Edited 7/18/17 19:38pm]

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Okay; I see, he was using it for the P&M Tour. I think that Jet was/is owned by Warren Buffett.

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I read an article where someone with aviation experience gave their opinion on the Moline emergency landing. I would have to do some research to find it (so, don't quote me); but this person said that it really made no sense that they landed in Moline, when the aircraft could have easily landed in St Paul-Minneapolis in the same time-frame. I thought that was quite interesting.

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Imagine the attention it would get, landing ODd in Mineappolis....

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Yeah, and the airport in Moline is a small airport and it was closed at the time of the emergency landing; they only open the runway for emergencies. The story of how the plane had to descend so quickly is so horrifying!

MMJas said:

So Stevie Nicks thread got locked too. I guess there can be no discussing the possibility of Prince having taken his own life...

Accidental OD or suicide. But who accidentally ODs twice in the same week?

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Any threads discussing the circumstances around Prince's death and alleged drug use, and the investigation gets deleted. I don't understand it, really. People still talk about Elvis' death, JFK, and people still talk about Michael Jackson's death, and those threads don't get deleted.

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Yes, it's described as a suitcase; they did not use the word "carry on" bag, like we saw him carrying in the pics. But, it might be the same bag.

It would be nice to have clarification as to whether the suitcase was a suitcase or his litte black bag.

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That would be nice.

purplefam99 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I'm really not sure why Prince would use an alias on a private jet. I'm just taking a wild guess.

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How is it possible to be with someone, 24/7? I'm sure Prince had to have some time alone.

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Not sure on the jacket and gloves; it was New Year's Eve, but I'm sure it was nice and balmy in St. Barts. Perhaps it was cold on the airplane? Prince was very thin, so not much body fat to keep him warm, I'm guess. If only he had some of my cooking, I could solve that problem! Sorry, I think this thread could use some humor right about now, LOL

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I do make a delicious baked ziti!!

thanks for the humor break, i needed one as i try to catch up from a few days ago.

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No problem!!

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I read a funny story once about how Patti LaBelle (love her); cooked all this delicious southern/soul food, and Prince only ate the bland stuff! LOL

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Now for me, I aint gonna pass up some southern fried chicken, mac and cheese and corn bread!!

laurarichardson said:

"Having an underlying condition doesn't mean he couldn't also be struggling with addiction. "

I never said it did. He could have been dealing with both. Joint pain is a medical condition that could have lead to the addiction.

He had gone to see Dr. S twice and I do not see why he would not have gone to see other doctors under assumed names in the past. We know he was in the hospital twice for treatments in 2014 and 2015 per Kirk comments in the search warrents. We know he had 65k in medical expenses on his inventory report which we now know was not for an ambulance ride.

We simply have no way of knowing what medical issues or treatment he had been receiving and what links he would go to for protecting his privacy. He had enough money to go anywhere in the world and receive any treatement he wanted without the public knowing anything about it.

I think some of you forget the rich do not do things like the rest of us.

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One thing is that there was a mix of real and counterfeit drugs. We just know what the appearance of the drugs was based on the description in the warrants, not if they were the real thing.

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I would assume Prince had a way he stored and organized his pills that made sense to him even if not to people like us (who only know bits and pieces about this stuff). I think there are things we could only know by asking him an unfortunately that's not an option.

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Having an underlying condition doesn't mean he couldn't also be struggling with addiction. Frankly if he had cancer that wouldn't answer any questions I have; it would cause a lot more, namely: Why would he self-medicate a disease like that with illicit drugs rather than getting proper medical care?

LR: I don't disagree with what you wrote but the bolded above actually makes a diferent case (for me) and raises an entirely different set of questions: if he could go anywhere in the world, etc...WHY wasn' t he obtaining and using pharmacutical grade drugs, legit drugs??? One theory is that is that he WANTED to order/control his own supply which contained the UNUSUAL addition of lidocaine (as per his personal specs) so he could dose himsel in a manner other than orally (since he was throwing up a lot) and he wasn't a needle man.