Bodhitheblackdog said:

RJOrion said:

i cant think of (and dont know of) ANY black man on this planet, that would kick his pretty, sometimes effeminate, 12 year old son out of the house for having sex with a girl... i will never believe that story

Wowie-Zowie: interesting comment, though provoking, astute, cuts through the BS, thinking outside-the-box of the pre-packaged creation myth, in other words...doesn't belong on the org., too adult, too real. Thank you.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

RJOrion said:

206Michelle said:

I can totally believe it, especially because John Nelson was born in 1916. Premarital sex was very taboo up until the 1960s.

cmon...John L. Nelson was having premarital sex and extramarital sex before and after Prince was born... not buying any perceived taboos...not in that house...

Pretty sure you are right about John Nelson's history. That being said, I can absolutely believe that he kicked Prince out of the house at age 12. I've never heard the story of him being kicked out of the house at age 12 disputed on this website until now, so I believe it, until someone like Tyka says otherwise.

206Michelle said:

RJOrion said:

cmon...John L. Nelson was having premarital sex and extramarital sex before and after Prince was born... not buying any perceived taboos...not in that house...

Pretty sure you are right about John Nelson's history. That being said, I can absolutely believe that he kicked Prince out of the house at age 12. I've never heard the story of him being kicked out of the house at age 12 disputed on this website until now, so I believe it, until someone like Tyka says otherwise.

READ SLOWLY: no one said he wasn't kicked out of his fathers' house, we're just saying it wasn't for banging a girl. Got It?

RJOrion said:

moonsister said:

RJOrion said:

i cant think of (and dont know of) ANY black man on this planet, that would kick his pretty, sometimes effeminate, 12 year old son out of the house for having sex with a girl... i will never believe that story

Not only that but kicking your little kid out of the house is against the law. IF he was kicked out, and that's a big if, maybe he got caught in bed with a boy. His dad might have said go live with your mom, I could believe that. I've even read here on the org he got busted in bed with his dads girlfriend! Just make up stuff here and there why doncha

or just maybe, if he found him in bed with a boy, he might say something like, "YOU WANNA DO THAT SHIT???? FINE !!!, GO DO THAT SHIT AT HIS HOUSE !!! AND YOU CAN STAY THERE TOO!!! *(FAST FORWARD)* "Yo Andre, can i come stay with you? my pops kicked me out"...

Im not saying thats what definitely happened for sure, because only John & Prince (and maybe Andre Anderson) know... but THATS how that would have played out in most families I know...black or white...

RJOrion said:

206Michelle said:

206Michelle said:

cloveringold85 said:

206Michelle said:

RJOrion said:

206Michelle said:

Penny, thank you for the clarification.

i cant think of (and dont know of) ANY black man on this planet, that would kick his pretty, sometimes effeminate, 12 year old son out of the house for having sex with a girl... i will never believe that story

John L. Nelson was a 7th day Adventist and because he catted around does not mean he wanted his 12 year old using his house as a flop house to have sex in. This was in the 1970s in a strict religious black household black parents back then did not let their 12 years knowingly have sex in their house.

I also remember Chazz saying Prince would do stuff to piss his dad off. So the girl staying may have been the final straw.

RJOrion said:

moonsister said:

RJOrion said: Not only that but kicking your little kid out of the house is against the law. IF he was kicked out, and that's a big if, maybe he got caught in bed with a boy. His dad might have said go live with your mom, I could believe that. I've even read here on the org he got busted in bed with his dads girlfriend! Just make up stuff here and there why doncha

or just maybe, if he found him in bed with a boy, he might say something like, "YOU WANNA DO THAT SHIT???? FINE !!!, GO DO THAT SHIT AT HIS HOUSE !!! AND YOU CAN STAY THERE TOO!!! *(FAST FORWARD)* "Yo Andre, can i come stay with you? my pops kicked me out"...

Im not saying thats what definitely happened for sure, because only John & Prince (and maybe Andre Anderson) know... but THATS how that would have played out in most families I know...black or white...

Is this your fantasy?

I have read basically the same thing that was just posted, but no matter what the cause, a 12-year-old was essentially abandoned by his mother (who kept the sister) in favor of her romantic partner, and then a 13-year-old left or was kicked out of his father's home. I think those two events are the core of everything he did for the rest of his life, both personally and professionally. He was the collateral damage of his parents' actions, and he never healed. JMO

I read somewhere that it was an older family friend..This might be the same source where you read that he got busted with his dad's girlfriend.

Question: Doesn't that mean that Prince was statutory raped or molested? Is it so far-fetched that the guy who wrote "Sister" was being manipulated and 'raped' by an adult at this father's house and his father, being clueless and old school, blamed his somewhat rebellious pre-teen son (or didn't know how to handle it) and kicked him out (sent him to live with his mother.) Imagine the impact that would have on Prince and relationship with his dad.

I don't think it was a boy his own age that Prince was with. I think it was an adult female.

moonsister said:

RJOrion said:

i cant think of (and dont know of) ANY black man on this planet, that would kick his pretty, sometimes effeminate, 12 year old son out of the house for having sex with a girl... i will never believe that story

Not only that but kicking your little kid out of the house is against the law. IF he was kicked out, and that's a big if, maybe he got caught in bed with a boy. His dad might have said go live with your mom, I could believe that. I've even read here on the org he got busted in bed with his dads girlfriend! Just make up stuff here and there why doncha

If he was an adult women it would have set his young mind off the deep end and explain his treatment of women. Because I think he adored them but at the same could not trust them 100%.

Keep in mind Andre said his brother was Eddie was a pimp and that Prince got an education at his house. Also T.C. Ellis said a lot of gangsters and old pimps retired to N. Minneapolis and the neighborhood had a gangster/pimp vibe. He said Prince was not a trouble maker but he grew up around that gangster/pimp vibe so I think if he was involved with an older women or even girls at 12 it would not have been looked down on in that kind of warped enviroment. I definitely got the impression that he went from a solid working class home to the a hood like enviroment when he started hanging at the Anderson house.

Even the story about taking food out of the neighbor's refridgerator made me realize his home stituation was poor with his family and even once he left.

purplerabbithole said:

I read somewhere that it was an older family friend..This might be the same source where you read that he got busted with his dad's girlfriend.

Question: Doesn't that mean that Prince was statutory raped or molested? Is it so far-fetched that the guy who wrote "Sister" was being manipulated and 'raped' by an adult at this father's house and his father, being clueless and old school, blamed his somewhat rebellious pre-teen son (or didn't know how to handle it) and kicked him out (sent him to live with his mother.) Imagine the impact that would have on Prince and relationship with his dad.

I don't think it was a boy his own age that Prince was with. I think it was an adult female.

moonsister said:

RJOrion said: Not only that but kicking your little kid out of the house is against the law. IF he was kicked out, and that's a big if, maybe he got caught in bed with a boy. His dad might have said go live with your mom, I could believe that. I've even read here on the org he got busted in bed with his dads girlfriend! Just make up stuff here and there why doncha

purplerabbithole said:

I read somewhere that it was an older family friend..This might be the same source where you read that he got busted with his dad's girlfriend.

Question: Doesn't that mean that Prince was statutory raped or molested? Is it so far-fetched that the guy who wrote "Sister" was being manipulated and 'raped' by an adult at this father's house and his father, being clueless and old school, blamed his somewhat rebellious pre-teen son (or didn't know how to handle it) and kicked him out (sent him to live with his mother.) Imagine the impact that would have on Prince and relationship with his dad.

I don't think it was a boy his own age that Prince was with. I think it was an adult female.

I may be mistaken but I thought he left his Mom's house to live with his dad, when his dad kicked him out, he had nowhere to go. He called his dad and begged and cried to come back and his dad said no. He asked to live with another friend, and those parents said no, that's when he asked to live with Andre and Andres mother let him live there, but she called Prince's mom 1st. Andre's mom took him in as her own, with her other children. I'm under the impression that it was the 1st time he may have lived in a loving household.

Also it is said that Prince said he would never cry again and he didn't, after the phone call to his dad.

1Sasha said:

I have read basically the same thing that was just posted, but no matter what the cause, a 12-year-old was essentially abandoned by his mother (who kept the sister) in favor of her romantic partner, and then a 13-year-old left or was kicked out of his father's home. I think those two events are the core of everything he did for the rest of his life, both personally and professionally. He was the collateral damage of his parents' actions, and he never healed. JMO

Not only did his mother keep Tyka, she also had Omaar. I question if Omaar also suffered from abuse from his dad, like what was doled out to Prince. Tyka probably had it pretty rough there also.

PennyPurple said:

1Sasha said:

I have read basically the same thing that was just posted, but no matter what the cause, a 12-year-old was essentially abandoned by his mother (who kept the sister) in favor of her romantic partner, and then a 13-year-old left or was kicked out of his father's home. I think those two events are the core of everything he did for the rest of his life, both personally and professionally. He was the collateral damage of his parents' actions, and he never healed. JMO

Not only did his mother keep Tyka, she also had Omaar. I question if Omaar also suffered from abuse from his dad, like what was doled out to Prince. Tyka probably had it pretty rough there also.

I have often wondered if Prince had been sexually abused at a younger age. I do not know why, but I have always gotten that vibe. Getting kicked out of his dad's house is an interesting story. If Prince was messin' about with his dad's GF, then that follows the pattern of his mom choosing (in essence) her man over her son and John L. choosing his GF over Prince. Abandonment.

I have always been curious about Chris Moon's relationship with Prince. There are hints of intimacy with Owen. Even Prince said he knew of only homosexual in the area. I never heard Morris or Andre say the same thing. I wonder if Prince's abuse caused him to be confused sexually. That is if he was in fact abused.

nelcp777 said:

PennyPurple said:

Not only did his mother keep Tyka, she also had Omaar. I question if Omaar also suffered from abuse from his dad, like what was doled out to Prince. Tyka probably had it pretty rough there also.

I have often wondered if Prince had been sexually abused at a younger age. I do not know why, but I have always gotten that vibe. Getting kicked out of his dad's house is an interesting story. If Prince was messin' about with his dad's GF, then that follows the pattern of his mom choosing (in essence) her man over her son and John L. choosing his GF over Prince. Abandonment.

I have always been curious about Chris Moon's relationship with Prince. There are hints of intimacy with Owen. Even Prince said he knew of only homosexual in the area. I never heard Morris or Andre say the same thing. I wonder if Prince's abuse caused him to be confused sexually. That is if he was in fact abused.

There are no hints of intimacy with Owen. He wrote a letter after they decided to go there separate ways which according to Pepe Willie was for very different reasons then Owne gave. So I cannot take what Owen had to say seriously.

Guys can express emotions without something sexual going on and you have to remember Prince may have looked to these men as father figures only to be disappointed like he was with his dad when he was young which by the way Prince talked about when speaking about his dad.

Prince said he some guy in the neighborhood was a cross dresser that everyone use to laugh at.

Prince told numerous people that he was going to have a wild sexual image he concocted this image to sell records since the first album bombed.

PennyPurple said:

1Sasha said:

I have read basically the same thing that was just posted, but no matter what the cause, a 12-year-old was essentially abandoned by his mother (who kept the sister) in favor of her romantic partner, and then a 13-year-old left or was kicked out of his father's home. I think those two events are the core of everything he did for the rest of his life, both personally and professionally. He was the collateral damage of his parents' actions, and he never healed. JMO

Not only did his mother keep Tyka, she also had Omaar. I question if Omaar also suffered from abuse from his dad, like what was doled out to Prince. Tyka probably had it pretty rough there also.

Tyka ran away as well said her mom would cut down about her looks and weight. She said once they both ran away and no one came looking for them. I often wonder about Omarr and what so of house he grew up in. Was Heyward abusive or was it that he just did not care for his step children.

laurarichardson said:

nelcp777 said:

I have often wondered if Prince had been sexually abused at a younger age. I do not know why, but I have always gotten that vibe. Getting kicked out of his dad's house is an interesting story. If Prince was messin' about with his dad's GF, then that follows the pattern of his mom choosing (in essence) her man over her son and John L. choosing his GF over Prince. Abandonment.

I have always been curious about Chris Moon's relationship with Prince. There are hints of intimacy with Owen. Even Prince said he knew of only homosexual in the area. I never heard Morris or Andre say the same thing. I wonder if Prince's abuse caused him to be confused sexually. That is if he was in fact abused.

There are no hints of intimacy with Owen. He wrote a letter after they decided to go there separate ways which according to Pepe Willie was for very different reasons then Owne gave. So I cannot take what Owen had to say seriously.

Guys can express emotions without something sexual going on and you have to remember Prince may have looked to these men as father figures only to be disappointed like he was with his dad when he was young which by the way Prince talked about when speaking about his dad.

Prince said he some guy in the neighborhood was a cross dresser that everyone use to laugh at.

Prince told numerous people that he was going to have a wild sexual image he concocted this image to sell records since the first album bombed.

Thanks for the info. The hints of intimacy, I meant that from Owen's view. I should have been clearer. Thanks for clearing up the crossdressing subject.

[Edited 7/20/17 8:28am]

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Not only did his mother keep Tyka, she also had Omaar. I question if Omaar also suffered from abuse from his dad, like what was doled out to Prince. Tyka probably had it pretty rough there also.

Tyka ran away as well said her mom would cut down about her looks and weight. She said once they both ran away and no one came looking for them. I often wonder about Omarr and what so of house he grew up in. Was Heyward abusive or was it that he just did not care for his step children.

Who was Omarr's father? A boyfriend but not a husband? I am not passing judgment - my siblings and I have the same mother but different fathers, so that is cool with me. I am just thinking about what those kids went through. I don't think the parents had a clue what they were doing to them.

1Sasha said:

laurarichardson said:

Tyka ran away as well said her mom would cut down about her looks and weight. She said once they both ran away and no one came looking for them. I often wonder about Omarr and what so of house he grew up in. Was Heyward abusive or was it that he just did not care for his step children.

Who was Omarr's father? A boyfriend but not a husband? I am not passing judgment - my siblings and I have the same mother but different fathers, so that is cool with me. I am just thinking about what those kids went through. I don't think the parents had a clue what they were doing to them.

Hayward Baker. Mattie married him. He was her third husband. This is the man that people said that Prince did not even like to hear people say "Hey" to him because it reminded him of Hayward.

What does that tell you? He said Hayward use to lock him in a closet and would make him do stupid stuff like picking dandelions out of the yard instead of letting him play music. I do not blame if he wanted to get the hell out of there. Kids do not run away from home for no reason.

Andre Cymone said he came to him and said "He could not take that shit" anymore.

[Edited 7/20/17 9:02am]

Thanks, LR. Such misery for at least two of the kids.

1Sasha said:

Thanks, LR. Such misery for at least two of the kids.

Tyka wrote a e-book a few years ago. She did some interviews to promote it and then it vanished but in the interviews were more about her bad relationship with their mom. I felt sorry just listening to her talk about her mom putting her down.

I think both went through some misery in there parents homes and Prince found away to get out and she did not. I do not think the problems he had with pain pills has anything to do with his upbringing but I do not think his obssesion with work and always trying to do better or go to the next level of perfection did. I think it drove him to his death because he did not listen to his body and slow down.

nelcp777 said:

PennyPurple said:

Not only did his mother keep Tyka, she also had Omaar. I question if Omaar also suffered from abuse from his dad, like what was doled out to Prince. Tyka probably had it pretty rough there also.

I have often wondered if Prince had been sexually abused at a younger age. I do not know why, but I have always gotten that vibe. Getting kicked out of his dad's house is an interesting story. If Prince was messin' about with his dad's GF, then that follows the pattern of his mom choosing (in essence) her man over her son and John L. choosing his GF over Prince. Abandonment.

I have always been curious about Chris Moon's relationship with Prince. There are hints of intimacy with Owen. Even Prince said he knew of only homosexual in the area. I never heard Morris or Andre say the same thing. I wonder if Prince's abuse caused him to be confused sexually. That is if he was in fact abused.

I have always said this...Owen comes across, even in early interviews as if their split was a romantic break up. He even stated that Prince wrote him a letter professing his love for him, but that they had to go their separate ways. Owen said he will keep that letter until the day he dies. I brought this notion up on the Book thread by Alex Hahn when the the discussion of the book was at the point of Owen and Prince going their separate ways, and I even posted the interviews...but of course, people would not even entertain the notion, when Owen's own words (that have been repeatedly stated) fall on deaf ears.

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

Who was Omarr's father? A boyfriend but not a husband? I am not passing judgment - my siblings and I have the same mother but different fathers, so that is cool with me. I am just thinking about what those kids went through. I don't think the parents had a clue what they were doing to them.

Hayward Baker. Mattie married him. He was her third husband. This is the man that people said that Prince did not even like to hear people say "Hey" to him because it reminded him of Hayward.

What does that tell you? He said Hayward use to lock him in a closet and would make him do stupid stuff like picking dandelions out of the yard instead of letting him play music. I do not blame if he wanted to get the hell out of there. Kids do not run away from home for no reason.

Andre Cymone said he came to him and said "He could not take that shit" anymore.

[Edited 7/20/17 9:02am]

Prince is also quoted as stating that Hayward would buy him things instead of spending time with him...Prince said "ya know, like companionship, instead of giving me things"

Good comments. In life and in death, no one seems to know the truth.