Anti-anxieties like valium can also be used to ease opioid withdrawal (which can cause anxiety)

206Michelle said:

moonsister said:

206Michelle said: And he had two medications for anxiety in his bags so something was weighing heavy on his mind.

moonsister, I forgot about the anti-anxiety meds. I found an article here with more information on the anti-anxiety medications. The information in the articles comes from the search warrants of PP.

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"Prince Investigation: Warrants Detail Pills Found All Over Paisley Park" by Tracy Connor, April 17, 2017, http://www.nbcnews.com/ne...k-n747371.

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The day before Prince's death, Schulenberg prescribed three drugs for him: clonidine, which is used to treat high blood pressure and attention deficit disorder, and the anti-anxiety agents Valium and hydroxyzine pamoate. Johnson picked them up from the pharmacy and claimed it was the "first time he had ever done something like that for Prince."

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Johnson told investigators he was "unaware Prince was addicted to pain medication." But a representative of the rehab Recovery Without Walls told detectives that Johnson had contacted them because the star was struggling with opiate use.

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Nope, KJ has stated that the incident in 2014 was "due to dehydration", bank on it (maybe not in the warrant-but it was stated). If I need to find a link I will. This is KJ's "go to" statement when things went wrong with Prince..and to take it a step further, I'll bet you money this is what he stated in regards to the OD on 4/21/96. You get fluids for dehydration,period. A slang term for this in the medical field is a "banana bag"..as the fluids are comprised of mainly thiamine,folic acid and magnesium sulfate-these fluids are administered for dehydration and to replenish nutritional deficiencies.

disch said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

206Michelle said:

Yes, I agree with you that he had a hard time seeking help. I wonder if he was fearful of or felt shame about going into rehab because of the possibility of negative press coverage. Consistent with his control issues, he was so private, but if he went into rehab, it's likely that such information would not have remained private or within his control.

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I believe that there were plenty of people who would have helped Prince, had he reached out to them. He helped Tyka with rehab, so I think he knew a little bit about the process.

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Why do you think that he couldn't call up Sheila E. or Dez and ask them for help? I would like to believe that if he had asked them for help, that they would have helped him. There are any number of people whom he could have asked for help. Prince spoke to Will Smith on April 20th...Prince could have asked Will for help. He could have asked Judith Hill, Damaris Lewis, or Tamron Hall. He could have asked Kirk J. He could have asked Van Jones. He could have asked Tyka or one of his other siblings. He could have asked Kim Berry or Shelby J. He could have asked Mayte or Mani. He could have asked Wendy, Lisa, Dr. Fink, or Bobby Z. He could have asked John or Yaritza Blackwell. He could have asked Larry or Tina Graham. He had millions of fans, some of whom came to events at Paisley Park. He could have asked one of them for help. He could have asked a doctor for help.

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There are many people whom he could have asked for help, but as far as I know, he didn't seek out help. IT IS DIFFICULT TO HELP SOMEONE WHO REFUSES TO SEEK HELP OR REFUSES TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HE/SHE HAS A PROBLEM. Some states have laws that allow family members to force a person into rehab if the person has an addiction, but I don't know if Minnesota had this kind of law on the books in early 2016. All of that being said, I don't buy the argument that he didn't have anyone to whom he could turn for help.

I agree and as a point of clarification, I put 'couldn't' in quotes to try and imply that PRINCE felt, for whaever reason, that he couldn't reach out. You are right, he had many people who loved and would have helped him but I think his pride kept him from doing so.

Pride...Bingo! Pride, along with shame, fear, and need for control, is one of the qualities that can contribute to a person's refusal/unwillingness to seek help. Prince certainly had a lot of pride.

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206Michelle said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince was either in denial, or he did not want anyone to worry about him. Several people contacted him (Tamron Hall, Apples.....); and he told them all that he was "fine", and not worry. It's been documented that he was not feeling well those last few weeks; something was going on with his health, but I have a feeling that it was all tied to the "opiods"; because he wanted everyone to believe it was the Flu, but it could have been symptoms of withdrawal. I don't believe he was an addict, but I think he was taking meds for his pain, and it was having an adverse effect on his health. Very sad.

cloveringold85, I agree with almost everything you wrote here. I use the phrases "abusing or addicted to" and "(ab)use/addicted" (I meant to say (ab)use/addiction) because of the uncertainty of his relationship to the opiates/painkillers.

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I gotcha!

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I like the term Dr. Drew used; he said he felt Prince was "heavily dependent".

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I feel so bad for Prince, because the thought of him losing control probably gave him panic attacks. It's a dehibilitating experience when you feel your life is spiriling out of control. Prince was a man who was "always in control"; but due to almost 40-years of performing; he did so much damage to his body; the constant pains.

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He didn't want to tell us; he didn't want us to worry; and we understand that now. He knows we will always love him.

PennyPurple said:

If it was reported-I know EXACTLY who it was...if it wasn't reported, the mods were watching the thread, and when just a little TMI was revealed, it was yanked...making it APPEAR that someone reported the thread, because technically-there was NOTHING TO REPORT! No rules were broken, no one even cursed, no one was "snipped"

cloveringold85 said:

206Michelle said:

cloveringold85, I agree with almost everything you wrote here. I use the phrases "abusing or addicted to" and "(ab)use/addicted" (I meant to say (ab)use/addiction) because of the uncertainty of his relationship to the opiates/painkillers.

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I gotcha!

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I like the term Dr. Drew used; he said he felt Prince was "heavily dependent".

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I feel so bad for Prince, because the thought of him losing control probably gave him panic attacks. It's a dehibilitating experience when you feel your life is spiriling out of control. Prince was a man who was "always in control"; but due to almost 40-years of performing; he did so much damage to his body; the constant pains.

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He didn't want to tell us; he didn't want us to worry; and we understand that now. He knows we will always love him.

I like the phrase "heavily dependent." I didn't even think of using the term dependent, but I like that term, and I think it's an accurate description of Prince's relationship to the painkillers/opiates.

"(Heavily) dependent" seems to capture Prince's relationship with painkillers/opiates while avoiding the negative connotation that comes with the word addicted and the label "addict."

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Oh I don't doubt at all that KJ claimed "dehydration" -- in my view, that's a standard bullshit reason (celebs seem to go to the hospital mysteriously often for "dehydration." Almost as much as "exhaustion.")

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If Prince was truly that dehydrated it would be because he had major vomiting or diarrhea (or just ran a marathon in 100-degree heat), something like that. I don't think a basically healthy person gets so dehydrated to have to be rushed to the ER because they forgot to drink enough water.

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I personally have recieved intravenous fluids at the hospital when i wasn't dehydrated. I had a fainting spell (caused by something unrelated to dehydration) and vomited when I awoke (just once, not repeatedly). In the ER, they just popped a fluid IV in me as, it seemed to me, some kind of routine thing they do with fainters.

precioux said:

Nope, KJ has stated that the incident in 2014 was "due to dehydration", bank on it (maybe not in the warrant-but it was stated). If I need to find a link I will. This is KJ's "go to" statement when things went wrong with Prince..and to take it a step further, I'll bet you money this is what he stated in regards to the OD on 4/21/96. You get fluids for dehydration,period. A slang term for this in the medical field is a "banana bag"..as the fluids are comprised of mainly thiamine,folic acid and magnesium sulfate-these fluids are administered for dehydration and to replenish nutritional deficiencies. disch said:

Yeah the very vague info about that 2014/5 hospitalization apparently came from Kirk. Per the warrant: "Prince had gone to the Hwy 212 Medical Center (Ridgeview Hospital) for an illness in 2014 or 2015. Johnson told Detective Wagner that Prince received fluids during his visit." So that doesn't really tell us anything ("fluids" could be basically anything, including medication).

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As for any other medical treatments, all we know for sure is 2 visits with Dr S in the couple weeks before his death. Anthing else hasn't been revealed. We know he had joint surgery in 2010 (probably 2 surgeries given the 2 scars in autopsy summary), but we don't know if the surgery successed or failed, and what joint issues he was dealing with after that. (KJ apparently told detectives that the Prince's first Dr S appointment was for "hip pain," but it's really hard to know if that was the true/whole story; the medications prescribed that day in Kirk's name that were found in Prince's possession were an anti-nausea drug and vitamin d).

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So there's a lot we don't know -- just that there's no public record of ongoing treatment for anything in recent years. That doesn't mean it's not possible he wasn't getting some treatment somewhere, but nothing that's been reported so far would give us an inkling about that.

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There was a huge outbreak of this new virus, "Elizabethkingia" that was sweeping through the mid-west back in 2014-2016. I never heard about this on the news and just happened to come across it the other day.

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http://www.thedailybeast....he-midwest

cloveringold85 said:

There was a huge outbreak of this new virus, "Elizabethkingia" that was sweeping through the mid-west back in 2014-2016. I never heard about this on the news and just happened to come across it the other day.

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http://www.thedailybeast....he-midwest

Thanks Clover,

I never heard of that so I had to look it up.

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I copied from the CDC website:

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~DD55

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

Well, we know it wasn't us, because we weren't here for about 7 Days.

If it was reported-I know EXACTLY who it was...if it wasn't reported, the mods were watching the thread, and when just a little TMI was revealed, it was yanked...making it APPEAR that someone reported the thread, because technically-there was NOTHING TO REPORT! No rules were broken, no one even cursed, no one was "snipped"

I know who it was too, they seem to get a lot of threads deleted/hidden.

Still can't find any info about prince's apparent seizure on the plane. I watched all of Dr Drew's interviews, heard the radio shows, and don't recall him ever saying it was that and not an OD.

Oh well, I'm just going to assume old granite head made it up. After all, a few others were contemptuous of his opinion on the subject, early doors, while I was singing his praises. But yeah, it's very annoying when so-called facts are made up. If you don't know shit about something, go to someone who is an expert on the subject! And don't believe any old crone.

On the Carver County Log the call was listed for Dehydration this is the report from the call for the ambulance. This has nothing to do with KJ as he cannot force the EMT's to say it was dehydration. In the Rolling Stone artilce Prince said he sometimes would get so busy he would not take a break or drink water and Sheila E mentioned it in her book from 2014.

So he went to the hospital for dehydration per the log. KJ did say he was in the hospital in 2014 and 2015 for treatment but said he did not know for what.

disch said:

Oh I don't doubt at all that KJ claimed "dehydration" -- in my view, that's a standard bullshit reason (celebs seem to go to the hospital mysteriously often for "dehydration." Almost as much as "exhaustion.")

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If Prince was truly that dehydrated it would be because he had major vomiting or diarrhea (or just ran a marathon in 100-degree heat), something like that. I don't think a basically healthy person gets so dehydrated to have to be rushed to the ER because they forgot to drink enough water.

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I personally have recieved intravenous fluids at the hospital when i wasn't dehydrated. I had a fainting spell (caused by something unrelated to dehydration) and vomited when I awoke (just once, not repeatedly). In the ER, they just popped a fluid IV in me as, it seemed to me, some kind of routine thing they do with fainters.

precioux said:

Nope, KJ has stated that the incident in 2014 was "due to dehydration", bank on it (maybe not in the warrant-but it was stated). If I need to find a link I will. This is KJ's "go to" statement when things went wrong with Prince..and to take it a step further, I'll bet you money this is what he stated in regards to the OD on 4/21/96. You get fluids for dehydration,period. A slang term for this in the medical field is a "banana bag"..as the fluids are comprised of mainly thiamine,folic acid and magnesium sulfate-these fluids are administered for dehydration and to replenish nutritional deficiencies. disch said:

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fortuneandserendipity said:

Still can't find any info about prince's apparent seizure on the plane. I watched all of Dr Drew's interviews, heard the radio shows, and don't recall him ever saying it was that and not an OD.

Oh well, I'm just going to assume old granite head made it up. After all, a few others were contemptuous of his opinion on the subject, early doors, while I was singing his praises. But yeah, it's very annoying when so-called facts are made up. If you don't know shit about something, go to someone who is an expert on the subject! And don't believe any old crone.

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I posted a link yesterday of an interview (radio show) that Dr. Drew gave after the emergency in Moline. He stated that the Moline emergency incident sounded like a "seizure" in his opinion.

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Granted, this was "before" we had the information we have now.

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I don't believe anyone here was making anything up, btw.

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laurarichardson said:

On the Carver County Log the call was listed for Dehydration this is the report from the call for the ambulance. This has nothing to do with KJ as he cannot force the EMT's to say it was dehydration. In the Rolling Stone artilce Prince said he sometimes would get so busy he would not take a break or drink water and Sheila E mentioned it in her book from 2014.

So he went to the hospital for dehydration per the log. KJ did say he was in the hospital in 2014 and 2015 for treatment but said he did not know for what.

disch said:

Oh I don't doubt at all that KJ claimed "dehydration" -- in my view, that's a standard bullshit reason (celebs seem to go to the hospital mysteriously often for "dehydration." Almost as much as "exhaustion.")

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If Prince was truly that dehydrated it would be because he had major vomiting or diarrhea (or just ran a marathon in 100-degree heat), something like that. I don't think a basically healthy person gets so dehydrated to have to be rushed to the ER because they forgot to drink enough water.

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I personally have recieved intravenous fluids at the hospital when i wasn't dehydrated. I had a fainting spell (caused by something unrelated to dehydration) and vomited when I awoke (just once, not repeatedly). In the ER, they just popped a fluid IV in me as, it seemed to me, some kind of routine thing they do with fainters.

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Also, keep in mind that a lot of medications say to drink "plenty of water", which I'm sure Prince did not. Like you said, many of those close to him said Prince would not drink or eat for several hours. That's not good. Dehydration can cause a person to pass-out. If you are severely dehydrated, you will need to be put on intravenous to replace the electrolytes your body has lost.

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Sad story, but a few days ago, a couple was hiking with their 4-year old dog, and the dog suddenly died from dehydration. It was too hot and the owner's were negligent. Same thing happens with people. Sometimes you don't even realize you are dehydrated.

You can find the log report here (it's the Oct 23, 2013). Laura's right that Kirk isn't mentioned on this. It's unclear to me if "dehydration" was an actual diagnosis (I don't think EMTs are charged with diagnosing?) or a record of what the caller said.

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Anyway, if he truly was so dehydrated that an ambulence needed to be called, that wasn't just from being busy and forgetting to drink for a while. There would have been some other condition that caused it (vomiting or diarrhea caused by ... don't know) that was the real issue.

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Or that was just what the caller said and it was actually something else. Who knows. Medical intervention helped him on that day and I wish there was similar intervention available on that awful day in 2016.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

On the Carver County Log the call was listed for Dehydration this is the report from the call for the ambulance. This has nothing to do with KJ as he cannot force the EMT's to say it was dehydration. In the Rolling Stone artilce Prince said he sometimes would get so busy he would not take a break or drink water and Sheila E mentioned it in her book from 2014.

So he went to the hospital for dehydration per the log. KJ did say he was in the hospital in 2014 and 2015 for treatment but said he did not know for what.

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Also, keep in mind that a lot of medications say to drink "plenty of water", which I'm sure Prince did not. Like you said, many of those close to him said Prince would not drink or eat for several hours. That's not good. Dehydration can cause a person to pass-out. If you are severely dehydrated, you will need to be put on intravenous to replace the electrolytes your body has lost.

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Sad story, but a few days ago, a couple was hiking with their 4-year old dog, and the dog suddenly died from dehydration. It was too hot and the owner's were negligent. Same thing happens with people. Sometimes you don't even realize you are dehydrated.

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disch said:

You can find the log report here (it's the Oct 23, 2013). Laura's right that Kirk isn't mentioned on this. It's unclear to me if "dehydration" was an actual diagnosis (I don't think EMTs are charged with diagnosing?) or a record of what the caller said.

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Anyway, if he truly was so dehydrated that an ambulence needed to be called, that wasn't just from being busy and forgetting to drink for a while. There would have been some other condition that caused it (vomiting or diarrhea caused by ... don't know) that was the real issue.

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Or that was just what the caller said and it was actually something else. Who knows. Medical intervention helped him on that day and I wish there was similar intervention available on that awful day in 2016.

cloveringold85 said:

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Also, keep in mind that a lot of medications say to drink "plenty of water", which I'm sure Prince did not. Like you said, many of those close to him said Prince would not drink or eat for several hours. That's not good. Dehydration can cause a person to pass-out. If you are severely dehydrated, you will need to be put on intravenous to replace the electrolytes your body has lost.

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Sad story, but a few days ago, a couple was hiking with their 4-year old dog, and the dog suddenly died from dehydration. It was too hot and the owner's were negligent. Same thing happens with people. Sometimes you don't even realize you are dehydrated.

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Yes; the loss of too much body fluids will cause severe dehydration. That's why when someone is ill, the doctor will always tell you to "drink plenty of fluids".

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If Prince was placed on an I.V., then he must have been in a bad state. But, he was out and about after the Moline incident. Maybe he was not listening to his body and taking care of himself?

moonsister said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Ha-ha!

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Well, as we all know, Prince did not have the best upbringing. His own Mother gave him a porno magazine when he was just a child. His Father ruled with a tight fist. He left home at age 12?

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He overcame a lot of obstacles in spite of his traumatic childhood. He had a God-given talent and used it, instead of wasting it away and becoming some bum. Thank God!!

I have a cd of an interview he gave in London back when he was about 20 where he states he went through his mother's stuff being nosy and found the porn. He also states he ran away, not that he got kicked out of anyone's house. If I drive long distance by myself I like to listen to it in my car, his voice is so sexy and sweet at the same time.

It is well known that he ran from his mother house because he could not get along with his step father and was put out by his dad. Prince talked about this in the Rolling Stone article.

I know an EMT and unfortunatly had to call an ambulance for myself for exteme vomiting. EMT's have to log what the call was for so if Prince had overdosed the log would say. It is possible he just did not drink enough water or maybe he was dehydrated due to vomiting or crapping. It can happen due to many illness or even drugs illegal or not . I do not believe he mannaged to get around in the manner that he did and worked that way that he did and was abusing these drugs for years. May have been on and off or dealing with other health issues but we know if the EMT's picked him for an O.D the report would say so.

We also do not know what he was in the hospital for in 2014 or 2015 for treatment and no one has yet to explain the 65k line item for medical treatment.

Just more holes in the story.

cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

You can find the log report here (it's the Oct 23, 2013). Laura's right that Kirk isn't mentioned on this. It's unclear to me if "dehydration" was an actual diagnosis (I don't think EMTs are charged with diagnosing?) or a record of what the caller said.

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Anyway, if he truly was so dehydrated that an ambulence needed to be called, that wasn't just from being busy and forgetting to drink for a while. There would have been some other condition that caused it (vomiting or diarrhea caused by ... don't know) that was the real issue.

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Or that was just what the caller said and it was actually something else. Who knows. Medical intervention helped him on that day and I wish there was similar intervention available on that awful day in 2016.

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Yes; the loss of too much body fluids will cause severe dehydration. That's why when someone is ill, the doctor will always tell you to "drink plenty of fluids".

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If Prince was placed on an I.V., then he must have been in a bad state. But, he was out and about after the Moline incident. Maybe he was not listening to his body and taking care of himself?

cloveringold85 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Still can't find any info about prince's apparent seizure on the plane. I watched all of Dr Drew's interviews, heard the radio shows, and don't recall him ever saying it was that and not an OD.

Oh well, I'm just going to assume old granite head made it up. After all, a few others were contemptuous of his opinion on the subject, early doors, while I was singing his praises. But yeah, it's very annoying when so-called facts are made up. If you don't know shit about something, go to someone who is an expert on the subject! And don't believe any old crone.

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I posted a link yesterday of an interview (radio show) that Dr. Drew gave after the emergency in Moline. He stated that the Moline emergency incident sounded like a "seizure" in his opinion.

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Granted, this was "before" we had the information we have now.

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I don't believe anyone here was making anything up, btw.

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Dr. Drew also considered this possibility after the Judith Hill interview (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1606/22/ddhln.01.html):

"But listen, Dax, when you go back to look at these stories, I want you to know this. To have somebody, their eyes freeze and their sensorium altered before they become unconscious, that is very peculiar. That is not the typical reaction to opiates and opioids.

It makes me wonder if he also had some sort of seizure phenomenon, and that could be related to the God knows what are the medication he was taking.

Again, we only know about the fentanyl, but they do not give us the report of the other toxicologies. They do not do that in Minnesota, apparently.

But please keep an eye on that, because that is not somebody just passing out from opioid use."

farnorth said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I posted a link yesterday of an interview (radio show) that Dr. Drew gave after the emergency in Moline. He stated that the Moline emergency incident sounded like a "seizure" in his opinion.

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Granted, this was "before" we had the information we have now.

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I don't believe anyone here was making anything up, btw.

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Dr. Drew also considered this possibility after the Judith Hill interview (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1606/22/ddhln.01.html):

"But listen, Dax, when you go back to look at these stories, I want you to know this. To have somebody, their eyes freeze and their sensorium altered before they become unconscious, that is very peculiar. That is not the typical reaction to opiates and opioids.

It makes me wonder if he also had some sort of seizure phenomenon, and that could be related to the God knows what are the medication he was taking.

Again, we only know about the fentanyl, but they do not give us the report of the other toxicologies. They do not do that in Minnesota, apparently.

But please keep an eye on that, because that is not somebody just passing out from opioid use."

Thank you someone thinks loads of people have nothing to do but make up stuff when all of this infor is easy to find and snaps into place. His eyes became fixed for a few percocets

farnorth said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I posted a link yesterday of an interview (radio show) that Dr. Drew gave after the emergency in Moline. He stated that the Moline emergency incident sounded like a "seizure" in his opinion.

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Granted, this was "before" we had the information we have now.

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I don't believe anyone here was making anything up, btw.

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Dr. Drew also considered this possibility after the Judith Hill interview (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1606/22/ddhln.01.html):

"But listen, Dax, when you go back to look at these stories, I want you to know this. To have somebody, their eyes freeze and their sensorium altered before they become unconscious, that is very peculiar. That is not the typical reaction to opiates and opioids.

It makes me wonder if he also had some sort of seizure phenomenon, and that could be related to the God knows what are the medication he was taking.

Again, we only know about the fentanyl, but they do not give us the report of the other toxicologies. They do not do that in Minnesota, apparently.

But please keep an eye on that, because that is not somebody just passing out from opioid use."

Ok that is a source. But in this interview he seems uncertain, fishing around for possibilities, as he's responding to new information given to him there and then.

This is my problem. When Judith Hill says "his eyes fixed" that could be for any length of time. It could have been for an inordinate time where his eyes never closed. Or it could have been momentarily, as little as a second before closing his eyes and falling unconscious. We don't know enough information about that specific detail. We have one eye witness account that can't be corroborated.

I'm just not persuaded by Dr Drew's speculation from June, mainly because we learned later from the warrant that the Moline doctor did indeed document it as opioid overdose.

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If you read the whole transcript of this Dr Drew show, you'll see he and his co-host kind of had some info wrong about this incident (they really focused on the JH's "eyes fixing" comment and claimed that "his eyes fixing really freaked her out" when in the actual interview with JH doesn't say that. And Dr Drew also said that it was weird that Prince's "sensorium altered" prior to passing out but that's also not in JH's comments).

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Remeber that, right after the autopsy summary was released, Dr. Drew also offered some info about fentanyl that as far as we know turned out not to be applicable in Prince's case (he discussed fentanyl OD only via sucking patches or injection; he didn't yet know that Prince's fentanyl was likely in laced counterfeit pills, a delivery method he never mentioned).

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So in other words, this sounds like he was riffing off a quick reading of that day's interview. Would be interesting what he or other pros would say if they had a close read of every piece of info now available.

laurarichardson said:

farnorth said:

Dr. Drew also considered this possibility after the Judith Hill interview (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1606/22/ddhln.01.html):

"But listen, Dax, when you go back to look at these stories, I want you to know this. To have somebody, their eyes freeze and their sensorium altered before they become unconscious, that is very peculiar. That is not the typical reaction to opiates and opioids.

It makes me wonder if he also had some sort of seizure phenomenon, and that could be related to the God knows what are the medication he was taking.

Again, we only know about the fentanyl, but they do not give us the report of the other toxicologies. They do not do that in Minnesota, apparently.

But please keep an eye on that, because that is not somebody just passing out from opioid use."

Thank you someone thinks loads of people have nothing to do but make up stuff when all of this infor is easy to find and snaps into place. His eyes became fixed for a few percocets

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fortuneandserendipity said:

farnorth said:

Dr. Drew also considered this possibility after the Judith Hill interview (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1606/22/ddhln.01.html):

"But listen, Dax, when you go back to look at these stories, I want you to know this. To have somebody, their eyes freeze and their sensorium altered before they become unconscious, that is very peculiar. That is not the typical reaction to opiates and opioids.

It makes me wonder if he also had some sort of seizure phenomenon, and that could be related to the God knows what are the medication he was taking.

Again, we only know about the fentanyl, but they do not give us the report of the other toxicologies. They do not do that in Minnesota, apparently.

But please keep an eye on that, because that is not somebody just passing out from opioid use."

Ok that is a source. But in this interview he seems uncertain, fishing around for possibilities, as he's responding to new information given to him there and then.

This is my problem. When Judith Hill says "his eyes fixed" that could be for any length of time. It could have been for an inordinate time where his eyes never closed. Or it could have been momentarily, as little as a second before closing his eyes and falling unconscious. We don't know enough information about that specific detail. We have one eye witness account that can't be corroborated.

Fortune, great observation. Thanks, DD55

moonsister said:

I have a cd of an interview he gave in London back when he was about 20 where he states he went through his mother's stuff being nosy and found the porn. He also states he ran away, not that he got kicked out of anyone's house. If I drive long distance by myself I like to listen to it in my car, his voice is so sexy and sweet at the same time.

It has been said, and it might have been discussed on the Hahn book thread that one time Prince & Tyka said they both ran away, and nobody even noticed.

He left his mom's house due to the step dad abusing him, he went to live with his dad and got kicked out of there because his dad caught him having sex with a girl. He ended up living with Andre's family.

PennyPurple said:

moonsister said:

I have a cd of an interview he gave in London back when he was about 20 where he states he went through his mother's stuff being nosy and found the porn. He also states he ran away, not that he got kicked out of anyone's house. If I drive long distance by myself I like to listen to it in my car, his voice is so sexy and sweet at the same time.

It has been said, and it might have been discussed on the Hahn book thread that one time Prince & Tyka said they both ran away, and nobody even noticed.

He left his mom's house due to the step dad abusing him, he went to live with his dad and got kicked out of there because his dad caught him having sex with a girl. He ended up living with Andre's family.

Penny, thank you for the clarification.

206Michelle said:

PennyPurple said:

It has been said, and it might have been discussed on the Hahn book thread that one time Prince & Tyka said they both ran away, and nobody even noticed.

He left his mom's house due to the step dad abusing him, he went to live with his dad and got kicked out of there because his dad caught him having sex with a girl. He ended up living with Andre's family.

Penny, thank you for the clarification.

i cant think of (and dont know of) ANY black man on this planet, that would kick his pretty, sometimes effeminate, 12 year old son out of the house for having sex with a girl... i will never believe that story

RJOrion said:

206Michelle said:

Penny, thank you for the clarification.

i cant think of (and dont know of) ANY black man on this planet, that would kick his pretty, sometimes effeminate, 12 year old son out of the house for having sex with a girl... i will never believe that story

I can totally believe it, especially because John Nelson was born in 1916. Premarital sex was very taboo up until the 1960s.

RJOrion said:

206Michelle said:

Penny, thank you for the clarification.

i cant think of (and dont know of) ANY black man on this planet, that would kick his pretty, sometimes effeminate, 12 year old son out of the house for having sex with a girl... i will never believe that story

Don't know.? But several people have said this.

206Michelle said:

RJOrion said:

i cant think of (and dont know of) ANY black man on this planet, that would kick his pretty, sometimes effeminate, 12 year old son out of the house for having sex with a girl... i will never believe that story

I can totally believe it, especially because John Nelson was born in 1916. Premarital sex was very taboo up until the 1960s.

cmon...John L. Nelson was having premarital sex and extramarital sex before and after Prince was born... not buying any perceived taboos...not in that house...

RJOrion said:

206Michelle said:

Penny, thank you for the clarification.

i cant think of (and dont know of) ANY black man on this planet, that would kick his pretty, sometimes effeminate, 12 year old son out of the house for having sex with a girl... i will never believe that story

Wowie-Zowie: interesting comment, though provoking, astute, cuts through the BS, thinking outside-the-box of the pre-packaged creation myth, in other words...doesn't belong on the org., too adult, too real. Thank you.