With a little research, one can find out a lot about this case. LauraRichardson has done her research, as have others. It is just my opinion, but we all have to have open minds about what might have happened, and about what led up to the final day.

laurarichardson said:

DD55 said:

I respect Dr Drew, Think he is knowledgable however, he’s going on what a reporter said that JH said, JH is not a medical professional and her description might not be exactly how a medical person would describe things (telephone game only with medical terms)… just thinking out loud on this one.

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However, I think that due to the fact that that plane made a very rapid descent (I don’t have the link right now), medial personnel were called quickly when they were only 45 min from Minnie shows that someone on that plane knew this was not seizure. Medical attention was needed immediately. That’s how I read this anyway, IMHO.

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Peace, DD55

Medical attention is needed for a seziure as well and no one on that plane was a medical professional.

Judith also said she was blind sided by the reporter so she did not know she was going to be asked about Prince which means she did not have to time to work on her story.

It is almost 30 minutes before they get down to the ambulance.

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I wanted to add:

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There has also been a lot of questions concerning why they landed in Moline, instead of Minneapolis, which was only 30 minutes away. The records state that the emergency call was made shortly after 1AM, and they dispatched EMTs around 1:15AM. I'm confused as to why Prince was still on the plane after they had landed and not rushed to the hospital?

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https://www.yahoo.com/new...47522.html

Cool, I'd like to see it.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

I've never seen anything to tell me the low cost of the ambulance ride, let alone an itemized bill.

I can send it to you if you like or tell you were to view it. I am not making up anything. I really do not have to since so much is weird and crazy about this stituation.

cloveringold85 said:

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I wanted to add:

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There has also been a lot of questions concerning why they landed in Moline, instead of Minneapolis, which was only 30 minutes away. The records state that the emergency call was made shortly after 1AM, and they dispatched EMTs around 1:15AM. I'm confused as to why Prince was still on the plane after they had landed and not rushed to the hospital?

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https://www.yahoo.com/new...47522.html

Weren't they working on him on the tarmac? That's what I thought I seen somewhere.

What's been reported is that he got treatment (narcan shot) on the tarmac, and was brought to the hospital after he revived

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

Medical attention is needed for a seziure as well and no one on that plane was a medical professional.

Judith also said she was blind sided by the reporter so she did not know she was going to be asked about Prince which means she did not have to time to work on her story.

It is almost 30 minutes before they get down to the ambulance.

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I wanted to add:

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There has also been a lot of questions concerning why they landed in Moline, instead of Minneapolis, which was only 30 minutes away. The records state that the emergency call was made shortly after 1AM, and they dispatched EMTs around 1:15AM. I'm confused as to why Prince was still on the plane after they had landed and not rushed to the hospital?

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https://www.yahoo.com/new...47522.html

disch said:

What's been reported is that he got treatment (narcan shot) on the tarmac, and was brought to the hospital after he revived

cloveringold85 said:

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I wanted to add:

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There has also been a lot of questions concerning why they landed in Moline, instead of Minneapolis, which was only 30 minutes away. The records state that the emergency call was made shortly after 1AM, and they dispatched EMTs around 1:15AM. I'm confused as to why Prince was still on the plane after they had landed and not rushed to the hospital?

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https://www.yahoo.com/new...47522.html

AFTER KJ carried Prince in his arms down the steps of the plane to the tarmac and waiting EMT's. I would love to ask KJ how many times he encountered and carried his unconscious life-time friend and avowed drug non-user to safety.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

laurarichardson said: I am a veterinarian specializing in large animal surgery...I will let the expert take it from...have a good day...

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2: THANK YOU for your posts and willingness to share your professional knowledge in such a compassionate and helpful way, Please come back!

Oh, I'm so so so very very very sorry...

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Since your experience isn't with HUMAN anatomy, physiology and the relationship between that and pharmacological symptoms and inter-correlations...you certainly can't be expected to know about the more intricate functions of the HUMAN body and how it differs from your veterinary learning and skillset...

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Had I been aware that HUMAN medicine was not your expertise it would've made sense that this coversation wasn't within your wheelhouse...

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Again, my sincerest apologies...

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said:

laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

AFTER KJ carried Prince in his arms down the steps of the plane to the tarmac and waiting EMT's. I would love to ask KJ how many times he encountered and carried his unconscious life-time friend and avowed drug non-user to safety.

Probably none. We do not see a bunch of calls going out to Paisley for ambulances and these two did not live together.

Sheeesh, LR, it was a metaphor...

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I wanted to add:

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There has also been a lot of questions concerning why they landed in Moline, instead of Minneapolis, which was only 30 minutes away. The records state that the emergency call was made shortly after 1AM, and they dispatched EMTs around 1:15AM. I'm confused as to why Prince was still on the plane after they had landed and not rushed to the hospital?

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https://www.yahoo.com/new...47522.html

Weren't they working on him on the tarmac? That's what I thought I seen somewhere.

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I think the story I linked above states that EMTs were on the plane trying to revive Prince. I need to read-up more on this to try to makes sense of it all.

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That link above also shows the medical bill for emergency services, btw.

The article says: "“T12 arrived first and began pt care pt was carried down from an airplane by pts body guard,” a firefighter noted about the patient in a report.

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I would interpret that as that Prince was carried out of the plane to the EMTs. What do you see as significant about whether treatment happened in or outside the plane?

cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

Weren't they working on him on the tarmac? That's what I thought I seen somewhere.

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I think the story I linked above states that EMTs were on the plane trying to revive Prince. I need to read-up more on this to try to makes sense of it all.

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That link above also shows the medical bill for emergency services, btw.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I just think they didn't have the manpower for such a huge investigation; they were overwhelmed, thus mistakes are made.

They had no idea what they were dealing with. Read the article below about how quickly and similar case was solved in Portland Ore. The pain meds were not from China they came in the mail from

North Carolina and it was not hard to track the dealer down.

I think major mistakes were made.

http://www.wweek.com/news/2017/07/05/an-18-year-old-girl-died-from-a-synthetic-opioid-she-bought-online-heres-how-portland-police-cracked-the-case/

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Wow, that is horrific! She was only 18 years-old.

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Illegal synthetic opioids are an epidemic in this country. There are people who are buying Heroin on the streets that is laced with Fentanyl and they die from Fentanyl overdose. Terrible!

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This: "The synthetic thing is new to everybody," Lewis says. "We thought heroin was the foe, but now these synthetics come along. It's a new chapter, and we don't know how it ends."

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"When you are making illicit purchases from anonymous sources, you can't depend on purity or that what you think you are buying is what you actually get," Strahm says. "You really don't know what you are purchasing.

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laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Allow me to offer my point-of-view, if I may:

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1) Prince probably always used aliases when he traveled because he didn't want to be hounded by the media, I'm guessing.

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2) If Romero packed Prince's bag, I'm sure Prince was able to add or remove things from his own bag while he was traveling.

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3) Prince started covering-up more (not showing as much skin), when he became a JW.

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4) Prince was grieving the loss of his beloved friend, Denise (Vanity); and the stress showed on his face.

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5) People who knew Prince never saw that he had a drug problem/or was a recreational drug user.

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No need to use an aliase when you are on a private jet. Your bags will not be stolen.

Romero said he actually had the bag with him. He also said he was with Prince 24/7 up until the time he went on vacation.

Covering up is one thing. Standing around in St. Barts with a jacket and gloves is another thing and there are pics of him from the show in St. Barts dressed in the same get up.

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I'm really not sure why Prince would use an alias on a private jet. I'm just taking a wild guess.

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How is it possible to be with someone, 24/7? I'm sure Prince had to have some time alone.

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Not sure on the jacket and gloves; it was New Year's Eve, but I'm sure it was nice and balmy in St. Barts. Perhaps it was cold on the airplane? Prince was very thin, so not much body fat to keep him warm, I'm guess. If only he had some of my cooking, I could solve that problem! Sorry, I think this thread could use some humor right about now, LOL

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I do make a delicious baked ziti!!

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

I think it came from unknown sources. What do you think of the low cost of the ambulance ride?

I've never seen anything to tell me the low cost of the ambulance ride, let alone an itemized bill.

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See bill from City of Moline:

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https://www.scribd.com/do...y-response

1Sasha said:

laurarichardson said:

It took almost 20 minutes from the call went to the tower to land so if they went on to Minneapolis who knows what would have happened. said:

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I wanted to add:

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There has also been a lot of questions concerning why they landed in Moline, instead of Minneapolis, which was only 30 minutes away. The records state that the emergency call was made shortly after 1AM, and they dispatched EMTs around 1:15AM. I'm confused as to why Prince was still on the plane after they had landed and not rushed to the hospital?

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https://www.yahoo.com/new...47522.html

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I read an article where someone with aviation experience gave their opinion on the Moline emergency landing. I would have to do some research to find it (so, don't quote me); but this person said that it really made no sense that they landed in Moline, when the aircraft could have easily landed in St Paul-Minneapolis in the same time-frame. I thought that was quite interesting.

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cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

The article says: "“T12 arrived first and began pt care pt was carried down from an airplane by pts body guard,” a firefighter noted about the patient in a report.

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I would interpret that as that Prince was carried out of the plane to the EMTs. What do you see as significant about whether treatment happened in or outside the plane?

cloveringold85 said:

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I think the story I linked above states that EMTs were on the plane trying to revive Prince. I need to read-up more on this to try to makes sense of it all.

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That link above also shows the medical bill for emergency services, btw.

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Yes; I find it rather odd that KJ carried Prince off the plane? Why did he do that?

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I would have waited for EMTs to get there, imo.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I read an article where someone with aviation experience gave their opinion on the Moline emergency landing. I would have to do some research to find it (so, don't quote me); but this person said that it really made no sense that they landed in Moline, when the aircraft could have easily landed in St Paul-Minneapolis in the same time-frame. I thought that was quite interesting.

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Interesting I know a pilot the next time I run into him I will ask about it. I already asked about a plane loaded with drugs being allowed to take off and he side that was a no go.

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That would be awesome if you could ask your pilot friend the next time you see him. My husband used to work in the aviation industry, so he may know; he's good with that kinda stuff. I really need to find that article I saw...when I do, I will post it.

He probably was in a panic state and trying to get Prince to the EMTs in what he thought was the fastest way. He probably just bolted out the door carrying prince the instant the plane stopped moving, I would imagime

cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

The article says: "“T12 arrived first and began pt care pt was carried down from an airplane by pts body guard,” a firefighter noted about the patient in a report.

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I would interpret that as that Prince was carried out of the plane to the EMTs. What do you see as significant about whether treatment happened in or outside the plane?

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Yes; I find it rather odd that KJ carried Prince off the plane? Why did he do that?

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I would have waited for EMTs to get there, imo.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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See bill from City of Moline:

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https://www.scribd.com/do...y-response

Thanks for posting.

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No problem. I just happened to see it was there in the article. I don't recall seeing the bill, until now.

1Sasha said:

cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

I've never seen anything to tell me the low cost of the ambulance ride, let alone an itemized bill.

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See bill from City of Moline:

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https://www.scribd.com/do...y-response

Thank you Clover.

Everything is redacted so there isn't much to see. How do we know it is for Prince?

disch said:

Laura, again, you're twisting words, so I'm going to bow out of this little chit-chat after this post. Feel free to follow up however you'd like, of course.

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Specifically you say below:

"Why won't you answer the question?" Well, in addition to the fact that I'm not required to post things just because you order me to, you didn't ask me a question. You made a statement -- "so you do not believe Judith but you believe unknown sources. " -- and I responded that the premise of your statement was false. I explained why below. But just to make it even clearer: I have no reason to doubt that JH accurately described what she saw. What I disagree with is that her description isn't possibly compatible with an opioid OD. I think it is.

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As for other health issue, I haven't said anything here one way or the other about that, so again, your just making up that "in your mind that his problems were all drugs and only drugs." This discussion was about the Moline plane emergency.

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You've insisted over the past months that Prince had many, many, many different conditions -- various kinds of cancer, organ failure, joint failure, hepatitis C, epilepsy, etc. What I think you're failing to understand is the difference between someone like me saying "we don't have evidence for something" (for example, there's no information publicly available that he was being actively treated for any specific chronic condition in the final year of his life) and saying "it's impossible that something occured." Those aren't the same thing.

laurarichardson said:

I am asking you do you believe Judith or not? Also she said a little bit more than his eyes became fixed if you go back and read the article. Why don't you answer the question? Anything at this point is possible reguarding his health you just have it in your mind that his problems were all drugs and only drugs. Which is fine if that is what you think. I just do not know too many people who plan their overdose two years in advance.

She's come up with every possible theory but the obvious one, ahem *coughs* drug addiction!

It's the old 'Argument from ignorance' which means to say, an argument is true because it has not yet been proven false. LOL. We can't disprove he had cancer, organ failure, heptatitis C, resumption of epilepsy, AIDS. But the lack of evidence means he almost certainly didn't have these problems.

disch said:

He probably was in a panic state and trying to get Prince to the EMTs in what he thought was the fastest way. He probably just bolted out the door carrying prince the instant the plane stopped moving, I would imagime

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes; I find it rather odd that KJ carried Prince off the plane? Why did he do that?

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I would have waited for EMTs to get there, imo.

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True.

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

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See bill from City of Moline:

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https://www.scribd.com/do...y-response

Thank you Clover.

Everything is redacted so there isn't much to see. How do we know it is for Prince?

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The bill is from the City of Moline for Prince's emergency services. There are several pages, but most of it is blacked-out, probably due to private information.