rednblue said:
Thank you for your thoughtful, multifaceted response. I struggle to reconcile some of all that is Prince. : ) It sounds like you are farther along than I am with that. Like you, I have a lot of love. You mention "no toleration of drug addicts." If you want to see fewer people addicted to drugs, I'd suggest not using terms like "junkie." Also, I think any reasonable discussion of drug addiction needs to bear in mind the ability of drugs to remove pain, at least temporarily. Physical and/or emotional pain can be so intense that people will take their own lives to relieve the pain. I don't imagine that Prince did that, but some of the people I'd most like to hear on the topic of drug addiction are those who have personally experienced chronic, excruciating pain. rednblu....I had previously posted replies on this thread: http://prince.org/msg/7/4...&pg=24 that relate to your request above. REPLY #690: I have previously shared my use of these meds to treat my various conditions (symptomatic Tarlov Cysts, DDD (at various junctions along the length of my spine), Spinal Stenosis, Fibromyalgia)). Honestly, I take offense at your description of someone who might depend on these meds to live a productive, full life. While I realize my dependence on them, I am in no way, shape or form an abuser of them. I am not in a constant stupor, I do not continually trip up/fall down while walking, I am able to engage in coherent conservation, I don't vomit and sleep the entire day away, etc. Repeating what I have said before, I take some pretty potent stuff but no one would be the wiser unless I told them. Truly. No one. REPLY #699: I have been at the same dose (milligrams) of my meds since 2013. And let me assure you, I still feel pain every day. Before my meds, I was between 8 or 9 on the pain scale. Now I fluctuate between 2 to 4. On my 4 days, I take my daily allotment. On my 2 days, I don't. And, to be honest, on my 4 days I want to take more to get my pain to a 2. But I don't, because I am conscious of the fact that that is a very slippery slope. I don't ever want to compromise the value these meds have to me. Some may think a chronic pain sufferer is overly dramatic in their declarations of how these meds have "given them their lives back". But, for me, it's true. Before I began this regiment of meds (I also take anti-inflammatories, and other meds to help the symptoms of Fibro) my singular, most prominent focus on a daily basis was "how can I alleviate this pain?". The info above does not constitute the entirety of each reply. If you want to read each complete post, follow the link above to page 24 (if ikt doesn't load on that page) and read Reply #690 and #699. "Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann | |
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It can't be the same one, surely???
The article(s) are dated November, 2016. | |
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paulludvig said: I think some people find that Prince dying from a disease is LESS tragic than him dying from from drug addiction.
I agree paulludvig. Sadly,society doesn't generally see addiction as the disease it truly is. | |
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PennyPurple said:
Surely we couldn't be so lucky to have it be Prince's, Kirk Johnson. NO. It was a Kirk D. Johnson. | |
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Yeah, that's why I didn't get my hopes up. | |
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oliviacamron said: Lovejunky said:
Agreed. And I have lost respect for Mayte for saying that . It looks like she just wants money and attention I didn't get the impression Mayte was ever doubting the possibility Prince was in pain. And she has never claimed to have seen him abusing drugs or anything else. As for her "pill taking", she is the one who admitted to taking them as well as considering committing suicide also with pills. She didn't hide or shy away from that in the least. And I don't understand the question "where is the compassion for him in all this?". I don't think there is anyone here who doesn't have compassion for him,including Mayte. I certainly do. | |
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The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!
If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days... | |
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She is like a religious zealot with her fervor I don't really get it. There are other people in the world. The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!
If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days... | |
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Brand new boogie without the hero. | |
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I agree that the whole sequence of events seems infuriatingly stupid. There was a giant warning bell with Moline what just went unheeded -- in the way it seems it should be heeded, anyway, at least in retrospect. But I still think his OD was an accident and I accept the evaluation of the ME. I feel like there's so much we don't know, I try to accept the pieces of info we DO know, even if I don't like the story they tell or when they don't "make sense." I mean, it's not like everything about Prince's choices or his behavior "made sense" to me during the rest of his life either.
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oliviacamron said: Lovejunky said: Thats the first thing I noticed when this picture started circulating ?
Its o p e n too.. sho she was eating Cheetos while her brother ... ..... .....?
very unsettling
Maybe the bag of Cheetos belonged to her son. Her son was carrying Prince's box of remains so maybe he handed her his bag of chips to carry. But seriously...Cheetos 'Flaming Hot' at a cremation?? What were they thinking... 'cause you got to know...how I feel about you babe | |
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If Prince did not want to treat a disease ,eg cancer, then all he would need would be palliative drugs which is what he had..and with them he could control his destiny...just my opinion
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THE rason i posted the pic was because im not 100% sure that i trust tyka and her husband!
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No what he had was illegal street drugs. If he needed palliative drugs then a dr would have gave him those and he would have been under hospice care. | |
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disch said: I agree that the whole sequence of events seems infuriatingly stupid. There was a giant warning bell with Moline what just went unheeded -- in the way it seems it should be heeded, anyway, at least in retrospect. But I still think his OD was an accident and I accept the evaluation of the ME. I feel like there's so much we don't know, I try to accept the pieces of info we DO know, even if I don't like the story they tell or when they don't "make sense." I mean, it's not like everything about Prince's choices or his behavior "made sense" to me during the rest of his life either.
Someone said, either Moron or JH , that they thought someone WAS supposed to be with Prince that night. Anyone remember this? I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R. | |
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MD431Madcat said: THE rason i posted the pic was because im not 100% sure that i trust tyka and her husband!
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R. | |
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MD431Madcat said: THE rason i posted the pic was because im not 100% sure that i trust tyka and her husband!
Sure seems odd plus no tears. Even if you say you knew this day was coming ...you have emotions. The illegal street drug that killed him brings a question to ones mind. Who else would know how to get that specific stuff?? | |
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Are we seriously having a discussion about a year-old photo of Tyka holding a bag of cheetos? This picture was discussed extensively last year. Come on...
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disch said: Are we seriously having a discussion about a year-old photo of Tyka holding a bag of cheetos? This picture was discussed extensively last year. Come on...
Seriously... | |
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paulludvig said:
Isn't that basically the same thing lots of people are saying here on the org? Most likely denied to her and others yhat he eber helped get presceiption meds for Prince.... Then she daw the warrants and found out ofherwise. That is ny spexulation. Just a guess tho. I know that would be the question i adked him if i had been her. | |
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Well, just as I thought, the unsealing of the search warrants didn't really tell us much more than we already knew. The authorities still haven't found out where the illegal Fentanyl came from that took Prince's life. Also, why aren't these doctor's being held accountable for writing prescriptions using aliases? So, here we are, one year later, and we still don't have any closure. Unfortunately, we will never know what really happened to Prince in his last days. Not looking forward to 4/21/17. It's been an incredibly tough year.
"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016) | |
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bloodhound laura where'd you go, we love you. | |
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it's funny but i think even if we had all the info, there'd still be factions of different opinions. Michael Jackson was pretty clearly killed by propofol but some people think it was a fuckup by the doctor and some people think the doctor somehow was a plant to murder him. With Bruce Lee, there are still widely varying beliefs of what killed him, death curse, pain pill allergy,beating by the chinese mafia, even though this has mostly been cleared up by a doctor who treated him before he died for an allergic reaction to hashish, that's what happens when people cover things up, lie and use deciet. | |
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precioux said:
THere's your supposition!!! I knew you'd expose yourself Clonidine is also used ae a sleep aid. Ny daughter has taken sinxe she was small child to help ber sleep bc her ADHD medixibe would keep her awske | |
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cloveringold85 said: Well, just as I thought, the unsealing of the search warrants didn't really tell us much more than we already knew. The authorities still haven't found out where the illegal Fentanyl came from that took Prince's life. Also, why aren't these doctor's being held accountable for writing prescriptions using aliases? So, here we are, one year later, and we still don't have any closure. Unfortunately, we will never know what really happened to Prince in his last days. Not looking forward to 4/21/17. It's been an incredibly tough year.
Oh-My-gosh!!! Hey Clover!!! missed you bunches!!! So glad to see you [Edited 4/19/17 14:56pm] | |
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I guess we can put the rest the majority of the conspiracy theories now. I think we have a pretty good idea what happened and who procured the illicit pills. My guess is that the authorites simply can't prove it yet; enough to build a case anyway.
The lack of genuine understand concerning the nature of addiction, pain management and, in particular, opioid prescription drug abuse is astonishing. Many, many of you are talking about things you don't know about but only read in the news. To wit:
- addicts are remarkably clever at masking and hiding their addicitons. For someone like Prince, who was as private as he was powerful and surrounded by yes men, it would be even easier. His own wife was blind to it.
- A Vicodin habit (or even an oxcodone habit) would in NO WAY inhibit Prince's ability to function at a high level. So many of you just here "DRUGS!" and assume that these medicines turn you into Kieth Richards or Amy Winehouse. It doesn't work like that. Many, many people function perfectly normal and use the medications daily. A lot of them more than prescribed. Pro atheletes in particular function prefectly fine and pop these things like skittles. Doctors, lawyers, politicians and people from all walks of life regularly use these meds. They don't turn you into Sid Vicious or something out of Transpotting, Requiem for a Dream or The Basketball Diaries, so the fact that Prince functioned at a very high level is not evidence that he wasn't using. Often, opioids ENHANCE creativity. It's not an Afterschool Special. This cannot be emphasized enough.
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cloveringold85 said: Well, just as I thought, the unsealing of the search warrants didn't really tell us much more than we already knew. The authorities still haven't found out where the illegal Fentanyl came from that took Prince's life. Also, why aren't these doctor's being held accountable for writing prescriptions using aliases? So, here we are, one year later, and we still don't have any closure. Unfortunately, we will never know what really happened to Prince in his last days. Not looking forward to 4/21/17. It's been an incredibly tough year.
Hey clover....good to see you. Agree with your statements above just a circle going on still. | |
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Mkilpatrick74 said: precioux said:
THere's your supposition!!! I knew you'd expose yourself Clonidine is also used ae a sleep aid. Ny daughter has taken sinxe she was small child to help ber sleep bc her ADHD medixibe would keep her awske Correct-it's also prescribed for severe migraines. This "list" was the use it can be precrcribed for that (imho) best suited P's "recent" withdrawals, that's all...I don't believe zofran was for cancer, nor clonidine was for blood pressure as was alluded to previously [Edited 4/19/17 15:03pm] | |
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Hi Clovering. Good to see you! | |
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