paradise000 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

That stood out to me as well.

Could be because the prescriptions were in Kirk's name...and pills here are being adjusted to your body weight. Kirk weighs a lot more than P. maybe the pills contained too much active ingredients than P.'s small body could process, hence the feeling sick and cancelling Atlanta. Just a thought.

I think on that crazy ass "When Doves Cry" movie" it said Prince weighed only 112 lbs. at the ime of his demise. Which is ridiculously light for a man, even one of Prince's stature.

oscarchristio777 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Exactly and for the sake of argument, Prince supposedly was going through withdrawals and was to get treatment the very next day. So how and why in the bloody fucking hell did he end up taking just one more pain pill? One that just so happened to look like a regular Hydrocodone pill but was laced with the Fentanyl that killed him?

To me that part above in bold looks really suspicious.

I suppose it could have just happened that way by mistake, but it makes u wonder too.

Also the security cameras being off ? wonder if it was normal for them to be off ? they should be able to track when they were last on and what was the usual routine of there use.

I agree it seems Prince had too many yes men and maybe yes women, Im sure it wasnt easy to sway someone as single minded and driven as Prince but considering what happened one week earlier and the fact people just left him alone given his known state is very unfortunate.

That's because it IS really suspicious!

Who was the last person Prince was in contact with on the 20th: either by telephone, text, email - you name it. Who was it? What time was it? He was badly dressed, popped a pill and fell into the elevator, based upon how they found him? Really? I have brought this up before, and you may think I am crazy, but in this mess, anything could have happened: did his former club manager die from the same pill lot? Did the authorities compare the drugs which killed both? I am not saying Prince was in contact with the manager, but someone else could have been. Even though the opioid epidemic is rampant in Minnesota, doesn't it sound ... odd?

disch said:

paradise000 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

That stood out to me as well.

Could be because the prescriptions were in Kirk's name...and pills here are being adjusted to your body weight. Kirk weighs a lot more than P. maybe the pills contained too much active ingredients than P.'s small body could process, hence the feeling sick and cancelling Atlanta. Just a thought.

The calculation for the dosage would've been made by the prescribing doctor and since he knew that P would be getting the actual pills instead of Kirk the prescribing doctor would've already taken P's body weight into consideration for the dosage.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

laurarichardson said:

anangellooksdown said:

laurarichardson said: Laura... Is it possible he had another surgery either in 2014, 2015 or even 2016 that would cause him to need more meds and/or explain the high health bills? Also, good health care is a lot more expensive than we might realize. I'm trying to think of what could explain that much cost in 2016. He had a number of one-off shows, but there was time in there for surgery too. These days you're in and out quick.

It is possible that he was having additional surgeries. Remember according to Billy Sparks he had hip surgery not replacement. I know their is a procedure for removing cartilage in the joints for ongoing joint issues ( do not shoot me I am not a doctor but I know I read about this as a alternative to hip replacement)

I find the fact that he had a blood pressure mointor and an Rx for blood pressure meds interesting as he was so slender I am very surprised he had a problem with blood pressure unless the pain pills were causing a problem or just aniexty.

Found this link. Pain pills can cause blood pressure to spike. This could be what Dr K meant by gravely ill. I have a few relatives and friends have blood pressure problems that made them have a stroke. Sad

http://www.medicinenet.com/high_blood_pressure_everyday_pain_relief/views.htm

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[Edited 4/18/17 5:35am]

He was gravely ill because he had an addiction. The withdrawal symptoms and some medication can cause high blood pressure. And the fact that he was slim means nothing. I got a very slim male friend who suffers both from HBP and cholesterol. It can be genetic.

And yes, he hid his medication in vitamin bottles, Laura, just as he hid his pain, etc.

Yes, stop with the seizure talk. That's a rumor that got started here. Don't be putting false information put there. Those drugs are used mainly for anxiety. Just stop please with the seizure disorder and cancer talk already. The truth is out there. Don't muddy it up. He had a pill problem. Don't make it something it wasn't. That alone is a big enough problem. Accept the truth and put your efforts into preventing this from happening to others. He deserves to have someone advocating for him, fighting for him, looking out for him. It would have been hard but he could have beat this. He could have been one of the lucky ones. I'm not mad at Kirk about anything except leaving him alone that night. One of the reasons he went into hide mode is because of the attitudes of his fans. People posting he lived a lie and wasn't what we thought he was. Coming up with crazy theories because they can t accept the simple truth. Speak for yourselves. He lived up to me. He didn't disappoint me. He deserves better than he got. He deserves better than this. The way he died does not define him. The only people taking away from his legacy are people who won't let this go. He would still be here if he felt safe enough to seek help.

Um

If it makes y'all feel better to believe that P "had a pill problem" then by all means, believe that.

sonshine said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I think on that crazy ass "When Doves Cry" movie" it said Prince weighed only 112 lbs. at the ime of his demise. Which is ridiculously light for a man, even one of Prince's stature.

He weighed 118 pounds when he was married to Mayte.

Really? How do you happen to know that? If you don't mind my asking.

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laurarichardson said:

anangellooksdown said:

moonsister said: Alcoholics leave bottles hidden everywhere...even women, wives and mothers hide them in laundry (VERY common), drawers, bottom of the trash barrel under the bag, the barn, anywhere they go alone for a few minutes so they can take a good swig...some bottles turn up years after they've gotten sober.

The were in his personal living area so they were not actually hidden. He knew were they where and he lived by himself so who was he hiding them from?

Possibly he concealed the pills from a girlfriend. Furthermore, I'm assuming he had a maid. If I were him, I wouldn't want that individual discovering my personal stash.

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Mayte tells a story in her new book about Prince stepping on a scale and he weight 118

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

sonshine said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said: He weighed 118 pounds when he was married to Mayte.

Really? How do you happen to know that? If you don't mind my asking.

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sonshine said:

Identity said:

laurarichardson said:

The were in his personal living area so they were not actually hidden. He knew were they where and he lived by himself so who was he hiding them from?

Possibly he concealed the pills from a girlfriend. Furthermore, I'm assuming he had a maid. If I were him, I wouldn't want individual discovering my personal stash.

Judith said she never saw him take anything and neither has anyone else. Why would he have drugs in the open even if he had an Rx. Do you keep your Rxs on your dinner table.

Search warrants do not say anything about a maid and I would think if had one the police interviewed them first.

laurarichardson said:

Identity said:

Possibly he concealed the pills from a girlfriend. Furthermore, I'm assuming he had a maid. If I were him, I wouldn't want individual discovering my personal stash.

Judith said she never saw him take anything and neither has anyone else. Why would he have drugs in the open even if he had an Rx. Do you keep your Rxs on your dinner table.

Search warrants do not say anything about a maid and I would think if had one the police interviewed them first.

JH was on that plane when he ODed. And we now know he indeed ODed from the search warrants. So Prince took 1 or two pain pills with JH on board of the plane, then proceeded to have a meal with her (pasta) and suddenly became unresponsive after taking the pills.

^Excellent observation. And if it had not been for her quick action, he would have died aboard the jet.

I don't think Judith Hill was his only "girlfriend". Days after his death, British singer Delilah claimed to be in love with him too. Of course, he had a maid. Prince cleaned his own crib? Doubtful.

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MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

It is possible that he was having additional surgeries. Remember according to Billy Sparks he had hip surgery not replacement. I know their is a procedure for removing cartilage in the joints for ongoing joint issues ( do not shoot me I am not a doctor but I know I read about this as a alternative to hip replacement)

I find the fact that he had a blood pressure mointor and an Rx for blood pressure meds interesting as he was so slender I am very surprised he had a problem with blood pressure unless the pain pills were causing a problem or just aniexty.

Found this link. Pain pills can cause blood pressure to spike. This could be what Dr K meant by gravely ill. I have a few relatives and friends have blood pressure problems that made them have a stroke. Sad

http://www.medicinenet.com/high_blood_pressure_everyday_pain_relief/views.htm

[Edited 4/18/17 5:30am]

[Edited 4/18/17 5:35am]

He was gravely ill because he had an addiction. The withdrawal symptoms and some medication can cause high blood pressure. And the fact that he was slim means nothing. I got a very slim male friend who suffers both from HBP and cholesterol. It can be genetic.

And yes, he hid his medication in vitamin bottles, Laura, just as he hid his pain, etc.

Of couse they were hidden in other bottles do you think illegal street drugs come in nice pharmacy bottles with your name on them. Please think about what you are typing before hand because the line of thinking is off in a big way.

We know he had an addiction you do not need to keep stating what you can do is acknowledge that these pills cause other health issues. He did actually have other Rx actually written for him so stop pretending he was some superman who would not have been gravely ill from the side effects of these pills. From my understanding as long as you are taking the meds you are find but that has nothing to do with the side effects such as high blood pressure it is possible who could have stroked out at any minute.

As far as seziures that came of Prince's own mouth more than once. People do not magically stop having them and withdrawals from pain pills can also cause seizures . One of the meds the doctor wrote for him is for seizure control.

disch said:

Mayte tells a story in her new book about Prince stepping on a scale and he weight 118

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Really? How do you happen to know that? If you don't mind my asking.

[Edited 4/18/17 6:19am]

Oh okay, thanks. Guess, I'll have to make the time to finish reading it.

Identity said:

I don't think Judith Hill was his only "girlfriend". Days after his death, British singer Delilah claimed to be in love with him too. Of course, he had a maid. Prince cleaned his own crib? Doubtful.

Then how come the maid was not interviewed also the chefs said he sometimes helped them set and clean the tables as he was very picky about neatness. He also had a very small staff at PP.

He could have very well cleaned his own private living space. I am sure he had a few lady friends other than Judith there is a rumor that he had one down in Turks and Cacios.

Funny how this strung out addict never stopped chasing women.

Identity said:

I don't think Judith Hill was his only "girlfriend". Days after his death, British singer Delilah claimed to be in love with him too. Of course, he had a maid. Prince cleaned his own crib? Doubtful.

Then how come the maid was not interviewed also the chefs said he sometimes helped them set and clean the tables as he was very picky about neatness. He also had a very small staff at PP.

He could have very well cleaned his own private living space. I am sure he had a few lady friends other than Judith there is a rumor that he had one down in Turks and Cacios.

Funny how this strung out addict never stopped chasing women.

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

Judith said she never saw him take anything and neither has anyone else. Why would he have drugs in the open even if he had an Rx. Do you keep your Rxs on your dinner table.

Search warrants do not say anything about a maid and I would think if had one the police interviewed them first.

JH was on that plane when he ODed. And we now know he indeed ODed from the search warrants. So Prince took 1 or two pain pills with JH on board of the plane, then proceeded to have a meal with her (pasta) and suddenly became unresponsive after taking the pills.

Stop dramatizing things. No where does it say she saw anything. Prince told the doctor in Moline he took one or two pills. Judith is not going to say she saw anything even if she did.

ForeverPaisley said:

DD55 said:

I think... someone correct me if I'm wrong. Oxy is a generic ingredient in Percocet which contains other ingredients. So, kinda the same thing basically.

Yep, They are pretty much the same thing. I've been prescribed percocet post-surgeries and when went to pick it up from pharmacy was given Oxy.

They are not the same thing.

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

He was gravely ill because he had an addiction. The withdrawal symptoms and some medication can cause high blood pressure. And the fact that he was slim means nothing. I got a very slim male friend who suffers both from HBP and cholesterol. It can be genetic.

And yes, he hid his medication in vitamin bottles, Laura, just as he hid his pain, etc.

Of couse they were hidden in other bottles do you think illegal street drugs come in nice pharmacy bottles with your name on them. Please think about what you are typing before hand because the line of thinking is off in a big way.

We know he had an addiction you do not need to keep stating what you can do is acknowledge that these pills cause other health issues. He did actually have other Rx actually written for him so stop pretending he was some superman who would not have been gravely ill from the side effects of these pills. From my understanding as long as you are taking the meds you are find but that has nothing to do with the side effects such as high blood pressure it is possible who could have stroked out at any minute.

As far as seziures that came of Prince's own mouth more than once. People do not magically stop having them and withdrawals from pain pills can also cause seizures . One of the meds the doctor wrote for him is for seizure control.

You are something else. You kept stating before he was not hiding his pills and now you are contradicting yourself by saying of course he hid his pills and coming strong on me. The whole case is already pretty insane and mind boggling without all this merrygoround, imo. I'm done.

You picture that because that is what the warrent states.

disch said:

I didn't really picture a bunch of meds lying around (like scattered all over the floor or something). I pictured them squirreled away in various bottles and tucked into cabinets, drawers etc.

moonsister said:

Lovejunky said: But they were hidden in vitamin bottles, or Aleve bottles, etc. His staff may have had no idea what was there. As for delivery if the pills were ordered over the Internet? Maybe a PO box?

how do you know they weren't interviewed?

-

And again: No one but you use insulting terms like "strung out addict," "junkie," etc. Thoese are YOUR preferred terms for people struggling with addiction.

laurarichardson said:

Identity said:

I don't think Judith Hill was his only "girlfriend". Days after his death, British singer Delilah claimed to be in love with him too. Of course, he had a maid. Prince cleaned his own crib? Doubtful.

Then how come the maid was not interviewed also the chefs said he sometimes helped them set and clean the tables as he was very picky about neatness. He also had a very small staff at PP.

He could have very well cleaned his own private living space. I am sure he had a few lady friends other than Judith there is a rumor that he had one down in Turks and Cacios.

Funny how this strung out addict never stopped chasing women.

laurarichardson said:

ForeverPaisley said:

Yep, They are pretty much the same thing. I've been prescribed percocet post-surgeries and when went to pick it up from pharmacy was given Oxy.

They are not the same thing.

Actually, they are the same thing.

https://www.drugs.com/percocet.html

What is Percocet?

Percocet contains a combination of acetaminophen and oxycodone. Oxycodone is an opioid pain medication. An opioid is sometimes called a narcotic. Acetaminophen is a less potent pain reliever that increases the effects of oxycodone.

Percocet is used to relieve moderate to severe pain.

Percocet may also be used for purposes not listed in this medication guide.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

laurarichardson said:

They are not the same thing.

Actually, they are the same thing.

https://www.drugs.com/percocet.html

What is Percocet?

Percocet contains a combination of acetaminophen and oxycodone. Oxycodone is an opioid pain medication. An opioid is sometimes called a narcotic. Acetaminophen is a less potent pain reliever that increases the effects of oxycodone.

Percocet is used to relieve moderate to severe pain.

Percocet may also be used for purposes not listed in this medication guide.

Thanks for clearing that up

laurarichardson said:

ForeverPaisley said:

Yep, They are pretty much the same thing. I've been prescribed percocet post-surgeries and when went to pick it up from pharmacy was given Oxy.

They are not the same thing.

Oxycodone with acetaminophen is generic Percocet.

Hydrocodone with acetaminophen is generic Vicodin.

ETA: Damn, y'all were typing while I was typing, but y'all type faster.

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MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

Of couse they were hidden in other bottles do you think illegal street drugs come in nice pharmacy bottles with your name on them. Please think about what you are typing before hand because the line of thinking is off in a big way.

We know he had an addiction you do not need to keep stating what you can do is acknowledge that these pills cause other health issues. He did actually have other Rx actually written for him so stop pretending he was some superman who would not have been gravely ill from the side effects of these pills. From my understanding as long as you are taking the meds you are find but that has nothing to do with the side effects such as high blood pressure it is possible who could have stroked out at any minute.

As far as seziures that came of Prince's own mouth more than once. People do not magically stop having them and withdrawals from pain pills can also cause seizures . One of the meds the doctor wrote for him is for seizure control.

You are something else. You kept stating before he was not hiding his pills and now you are contradicting yourself by saying of course he hid his pills and coming strong on me. The whole case is already pretty insane and mind boggling without all this merrygoround, imo. I'm done.

1) One more time.

The pills were in bottles for stuff like Vitamin C and Aleve.

Why would they not be in these bottles.

He got the Wastsons off the street. Do you think someone making illegal pills are going to provide a nice bottle with Prince's name on the side?

He put the pills in the bottle to make them easy to grab so loose pills do not get lost just like the reason they give you pills at the pharmacy in a damm botttle and not in your hand.

The pills were in his personal living area. They were not hiding in the studio or stashed by the oven in the kitchen. To me their are were pills usually are in people bedrooms and bathrooms

Who keeps any pills out on the coffee table. To me he was not stashing them or hiding them. It just sounds silly as the alternative is to keep them in a places were you would not keep pills illegal or illegal. You are making this out to be more than w hat it is