HatrinaHaterwitz said:

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It's in her biok. He was 5'2" and weighed 118.
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The ME report said 5'3" and weighed 112. Not that much difference.
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Note that it's notoriously difficult to measure the height of a deceased person. P's height was probably somewhere between 5'2" and 5'3".

LBrent said:

laurarichardson said:

They are not the same thing.

Oxycodone with acetaminophen is generic Percocet.

Hydrocodone with acetaminophen is generic Vicodin.

What is your point? Because the only proof we have about Percocet on the plane came from Kurt and these pills had Kirk's name on the bottle.

feeluupp said:

Kirk Johnson will be charged I guarentee you...

He lied multiple times, told Police he didn't know of any opiod addiction, yet he picked up multiple perscriptions for him under his name and alias names... As well as him being the one calling Dr. Andrew for an intervention...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvTgBKB8PPg

Where does the warrant say that Kirk was the one who called the Dr. about an intervention? Last I heard, we still don't know who set those wheels in motion.

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Prince did not have a "maid" per se.
He had guys who performed maintenance, cleaned the place, did laundry. Kirk was the overall facilities manager.
His assistant likely helped. We know she took his dry cleaning in.
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We'd know more but one of his employees (Griff) was chased away from here in the past two weeks.
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Already told you one of the horn players said he was having seziures. I saw the screen shot on Facebook a while back. In addtion, it was Prince himself who said he had them both on Tavis and George Lopez's show. Seizure do not just go away. We have no access to his medical files so you have no idea if this was not the case because you no reported information.

Withdrawals can also cause seizures and one of those meds is used as a anti-seziure med. Why would Dr. S write 3 anxiety drugs for Prince or Kirk?

See you are so busy making this just about addiction that you seem to think Prince could have avoided any and all side effects and subsequent medical conditions that come a long with it.

You seem to think he avoided all medical issues for the 30 years of use ( absurd in and of itself)

and you do not even believe he had joint pain or surgery but please dream on dreamer.

disch said:

Exactly. There are no credible reports of a "recommencement" of seizures. That was purely a theory someone here has put forth based on pretty much nothing. There's so much stuff flying around these boards that having some rigor around actual reported information and other theories is helpful. - Note that the warrant states definitely that the plane incident was an od, citing moline doctors as the source. - PennyPurple said:

Where besides this forum has it been mentioned that he was having seizures again?

What exactly are you arguing? That he wasn't going to extra efforts to hide his illegal drugs -- that he was just storing them in the standard normal way we all store our illegal drugs?

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

You are something else. You kept stating before he was not hiding his pills and now you are contradicting yourself by saying of course he hid his pills and coming strong on me. The whole case is already pretty insane and mind boggling without all this merrygoround, imo. I'm done.

1) One more time.

The pills were in bottles for stuff like Vitamin C and Aleve.

Why would they not be in these bottles.

He got the Wastsons off the street. Do you think someone making illegal pills are going to provide a nice bottle with Prince's name on the side?

He put the pills in the bottle to make them easy to grab so loose pills do not get lost just like the reason they give you pills at the pharmacy in a damm botttle and not in your hand.

The pills were in his personal living area. They were not hiding in the studio or stashed by the oven in the kitchen. To me their are were pills usually are in people bedrooms and bathrooms

Who keeps any pills out on the coffee table. To me he was not stashing them or hiding them. It just sounds silly as the alternative is to keep them in a places were you would not keep pills illegal or illegal. You are making this out to be more than w hat it is

LoriJ said:

Here's the thing, the search warrants were released, not the results.

The cell phone and gmails must tell plenty. Both warrants mention kirk, cell gps for whereabouts, calls, texts etc.

He also had access to the after dark gmail account.

Did it strike anyone else that on 04-21 the laptop was in the bedroom, but in the office when they went back to collect it?

Moved and most likely used. You cannot truly delete anything! Computer forensics is amazing.

The results of these search warrants will come to light when they're listed in an arrest warrant. I feel it in my gut and heart.

Where in the warrant does it say the computer was moved to the office when they collected it? We don't know that it was moved or used. Can you provide a link please?

laytonian said:

. Prince did not have a "maid" per se. He had guys who performed maintenance, cleaned the place, did laundry. Kirk was the overall facilities manager. His assistant likely helped. We know she took his dry cleaning in. . We'd know more but one of his employees (Griff) was chased away from here in the past two weeks. .

He did not have a maid that cleaned his living quarters. The guy who use to clean up after parties said he would come behind him and check his work.

PennyPurple said:

LoriJ said:

Here's the thing, the search warrants were released, not the results.

The cell phone and gmails must tell plenty. Both warrants mention kirk, cell gps for whereabouts, calls, texts etc.

He also had access to the after dark gmail account.

Did it strike anyone else that on 04-21 the laptop was in the bedroom, but in the office when they went back to collect it?

Moved and most likely used. You cannot truly delete anything! Computer forensics is amazing.

The results of these search warrants will come to light when they're listed in an arrest warrant. I feel it in my gut and heart.

Where in the warrant does it say the computer was moved to the office when they collected it? We don't know that it was moved or used. Can you provide a link please?

Go look for yourself.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

It was in her book.

Ah right Laura. Forgot "I saw it on Facebook a while ago." Yup, issue resolved!

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And keep in mind: You didn't say he had general seizures (a seizure is common and can be caused by a lot of differnet things). You said he specifically had epilepsy and that's why Dr S prescribed him Valium.

laurarichardson said:

Already told you one of the horn players said he was having seziures. I saw the screen shot on Facebook a while back. In addtion, it was Prince himself who said he had them both on Tavis and George Lopez's show. Seizure do not just go away. We have no access to his medical files so you have no idea if this was not the case because you no reported information.

Withdrawals can also cause seizures and one of those meds is used as a anti-seziure med. Why would Dr. S write 3 anxiety drugs for Prince or Kirk?

See you are so busy making this just about addiction that you seem to think Prince could have avoided any and all side effects and subsequent medical conditions that come a long with it.

You seem to think he avoided all medical issues for the 30 years of use ( absurd in and of itself)

and you do not even believe he had joint pain or surgery but please dream on dreamer.

disch said:

Exactly. There are no credible reports of a "recommencement" of seizures. That was purely a theory someone here has put forth based on pretty much nothing. There's so much stuff flying around these boards that having some rigor around actual reported information and other theories is helpful. - Note that the warrant states definitely that the plane incident was an od, citing moline doctors as the source. - PennyPurple said:

laytonian said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Really? How do you happen to know that? If you don't mind my asking.

[Edited 4/18/17 6:19am]

. It's in her book. He was 5'2" and weighed 118. . The ME report said 5'3" and weighed 112. Not that much difference. . Note that it's notoriously difficult to measure the height of a deceased person. P's height was probably somewhere between 5'2" and 5'3".

This reminded me of when I was a teenaged fan and deliberately telling non fans that he was 5'6" just to piss them off when they'd tease me that he was short.

Good times.

I am not arguing he was storing them in his personal living space and travel bags. Just as if they were real meds. Once again

Why would they not be in these bottles.

He got the Wastsons off the street. Do you think someone making illegal pills are going to provide a nice bottle with Prince's name on the side?

disch said:

What exactly are you arguing? That he wasn't going to extra efforts to hide his illegal drugs -- that he was just storing them in the standard normal way we all store our illegal drugs?

laurarichardson said:

1) One more time.

The pills were in bottles for stuff like Vitamin C and Aleve.

Why would they not be in these bottles.

He got the Wastsons off the street. Do you think someone making illegal pills are going to provide a nice bottle with Prince's name on the side?

He put the pills in the bottle to make them easy to grab so loose pills do not get lost just like the reason they give you pills at the pharmacy in a damm botttle and not in your hand.

The pills were in his personal living area. They were not hiding in the studio or stashed by the oven in the kitchen. To me their are were pills usually are in people bedrooms and bathrooms

Who keeps any pills out on the coffee table. To me he was not stashing them or hiding them. It just sounds silly as the alternative is to keep them in a places were you would not keep pills illegal or illegal. You are making this out to be more than w hat it is

[Edited 4/18/17 7:09am]

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Where in the warrant does it say the computer was moved to the office when they collected it? We don't know that it was moved or used. Can you provide a link please?

Go look for yourself.

I did, I'm not see it, that's why I'm asking for clarification. And AGAIN, I wasn't asking you for clarification.

laurarichardson said:

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Didn't I just say he did NOT have a maid?
Please start reading before replying.

P did not clean his own house. The maintenance guy cleaned P's toilet, took out trash, did laundry. That is much
different than a maid.
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disch said:

What exactly are you arguing? That he wasn't going to extra efforts to hide his illegal drugs -- that he was just storing them in the standard normal way we all store our illegal drugs?

laurarichardson said:

1) One more time.

The pills were in bottles for stuff like Vitamin C and Aleve.

Why would they not be in these bottles.

He got the Wastsons off the street. Do you think someone making illegal pills are going to provide a nice bottle with Prince's name on the side?

He put the pills in the bottle to make them easy to grab so loose pills do not get lost just like the reason they give you pills at the pharmacy in a damm botttle and not in your hand.

The pills were in his personal living area. They were not hiding in the studio or stashed by the oven in the kitchen. To me their are were pills usually are in people bedrooms and bathrooms

Who keeps any pills out on the coffee table. To me he was not stashing them or hiding them. It just sounds silly as the alternative is to keep them in a places were you would not keep pills illegal or illegal. You are making this out to be more than w hat it is

Fuck knows!

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^^^^^ LOL
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I'm waiting for everything to be bolded, IN ALL CAPS and then a red font.
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Because, you know, that makes things more believable.
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Laura is the only one who can t accept the simple truth. Or she enjoys looking like an ignorant fool on the internet. Either way I suggest we ignore her remarks in order to have a reasonable discussion in these threads.

laytonian said:

PennyPurple said:

feeluupp said:

Kirk Johnson will be charged I guarentee you...

He lied multiple times, told Police he didn't know of any opiod addiction, yet he picked up multiple perscriptions for him under his name and alias names... As well as him being the one calling Dr. Andrew for an intervention...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvTgBKB8PPg

Where does the warrant say that Kirk was the one who called the Dr. about an intervention? Last I heard, we still don't know who set those wheels in motion.

There are about six or seven links for the warrants You are going to have to read them.

sonshine said:

Laura is the only one who can t accept the simple truth. Or she enjoys looking like an ignorant fool on the internet. Either way I suggest we ignore her remarks in order to have a reasonable discussion in these threads.

I think that you are right, that is the only way we are going to be able to discuss anything.

It's gettting tiring. Aggressively replying to posts just for the sake of aggressively replying, without paying attention to what is posted, without reading it fully and then arguing the exact same case as the poster. Argh!

Bette

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Where does the warrant say that Kirk was the one who called the Dr. about an intervention? Last I heard, we still don't know who set those wheels in motion.

There are about six or seven links for the warrants You are going to have to read them.

Exactly. Kirk has been mentioned many times in those warrants.

On this issue of Prince having cancer, why would anyone think he needed to go through a rehab program, calling Dr. Kornfeld to set it up, if he had a terminal illness. He can take the pills if he has cancer. Never heard of a cancer patient going through opiate rehab. That completely discounts the cancer/terminal illness theory to me.

laurarichardson said:

Identity said:

Possibly he concealed the pills from a girlfriend. Furthermore, I'm assuming he had a maid. If I were him, I wouldn't want individual discovering my personal stash.

Judith said she never saw him take anything and neither has anyone else. Why would he have drugs in the open even if he had an Rx. Do you keep your Rxs on your dinner table.

Search warrants do not say anything about a maid and I would think if had one the police interviewed them first.

Do you really think he did his own cleaning?

If you do some research the Valium can be prescribed for partial seziures. Remember in Mayte's book she said that he complained about migraines and how it may him space out and sometimes vomit well those are the signs of a partial seizure. On the Orginal Seven CD documentary from back in 2103 Morris Day is saying that Prince use to stop mid sentence and stir off into space sign of a partial seziure, i remember one of his class mates saying he use to do weird stuff like stir into space and fall to the floor. All the years when he would flip out over having his picture taken. Flash of a camera can cause a seziure, check out how his eyes are darting around in the MTV interview on the set of Under The Cherry Moon he keeps talking the whole time and check out his hand which is shaking badly on the Much More interview in 2004. He had issues and I do not think they were all due to pain pills but could have been excelarated by pain pill use along with all the health issues those pills can cause. I give him credit for still being a hard worker and I do not believe for one minute he has been abusing these pain pills for 20 years. I believe his issues were in recent years just like the search warrant states.

disch said:

Ah right Laura. Forgot "I saw it on Facebook a while ago." Yup, issue resolved!

-

And keep in mind: You didn't say he had general seizures (a seizure is common and can be caused by a lot of differnet things). You said he specifically had epilepsy and that's why Dr S prescribed him Valium.

laurarichardson said:

Already told you one of the horn players said he was having seziures. I saw the screen shot on Facebook a while back. In addtion, it was Prince himself who said he had them both on Tavis and George Lopez's show. Seizure do not just go away. We have no access to his medical files so you have no idea if this was not the case because you no reported information.

Withdrawals can also cause seizures and one of those meds is used as a anti-seziure med. Why would Dr. S write 3 anxiety drugs for Prince or Kirk?

See you are so busy making this just about addiction that you seem to think Prince could have avoided any and all side effects and subsequent medical conditions that come a long with it.

You seem to think he avoided all medical issues for the 30 years of use ( absurd in and of itself)

and you do not even believe he had joint pain or surgery but please dream on dreamer.

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

Judith said she never saw him take anything and neither has anyone else. Why would he have drugs in the open even if he had an Rx. Do you keep your Rxs on your dinner table.

Search warrants do not say anything about a maid and I would think if had one the police interviewed them first.

JH was on that plane when he ODed. And we now know he indeed ODed from the search warrants. So Prince took 1 or two pain pills with JH on board of the plane, then proceeded to have a meal with her (pasta) and suddenly became unresponsive after taking the pills.

Does that mean that the pill he took on the plane was also laced with fenatnyl? I don't think you would od from one or two percocets? Doesn't it actually take quite a bit of effort to od from any type of pills considering all the people who tries to commit suicide but fails?

PennyPurple said:

sonshine said:

Laura is the only one who can t accept the simple truth. Or she enjoys looking like an ignorant fool on the internet. Either way I suggest we ignore her remarks in order to have a reasonable discussion in these threads.

I think that you are right, that is the only way we are going to be able to discuss anything.

Agree. She is a black hole for attention - any kind.

paulludvig said:

laurarichardson said:

Judith said she never saw him take anything and neither has anyone else. Why would he have drugs in the open even if he had an Rx. Do you keep your Rxs on your dinner table.

Search warrants do not say anything about a maid and I would think if had one the police interviewed them first.

Do you really think he did his own cleaning?

I do not think he would want someone in his personal living space espicallly if he had those pills in his room and he was known to follow people around and do some of his own straightening and cleaning.

I also am sure the police would have interviewed a maid that cleaned his room and it would be in the search warrant. They spoke to the bodyguards so I know they would speak to a maid.

paulludvig said:

MMJas said:

JH was on that plane when he ODed. And we now know he indeed ODed from the search warrants. So Prince took 1 or two pain pills with JH on board of the plane, then proceeded to have a meal with her (pasta) and suddenly became unresponsive after taking the pills.

Does that mean that the pill he took on the plane was also laced with fenatnyl? I don't think you would od from one or two percocets? Doesn't it actually take quite a bit of effort to od from any type of pills considering all the people who tries to commit suicide but fails?

Who knows now. We know that people rarely actually die from pain pills because they usually vomit them back up and usually die when they mix them with other meds or alcohol.

He told the doctors in Moline he took two but we do not know two of what.