lastdecember said:

laurarichardson said:

Lord !!! Kirk damm name was on the bottle of pain meds that were prescribed by Dr. S. Who was Kirk's doctor. He was not running out of sources if he had good old Dr. S presribe him pain meds in fact he may have found a new source since he had only recently started to see him.

Stop making excuses for Kirk. The police are not so why are so-called fans.

I dont think anyone is amking excuses for KIRK, but I think we are kidding ourselves in a really bad way that Prince did not have an issue here, pills were not rammed down his throat, and if they were then lets take them all to jail now. I blame ALOT of people around PRINCE because there is a huge issue of "hiding shit" and "Privacy" bullshit talk that is really troubling when we are talking something like addictions. So if all these people were covering it up feeling like "oh he can control it" or "we will help him" they all really dropped the ball in thinking they can manage an addiction. What some want to forget is that there was an addiction, that cannot be ignored, a lot of pills were being given out. Be it from a DR or multiple ones and in Kirks name whatever the case it is all enabling an addiction. There are countless celebs etc...because of their wealth that have become "hooked", Chevy Chase from a back surgery, Johnny Mathis years ago was addicted to pain killers, tons of others but in their cases and others "still alive" they did not have this damn stupid shrouding of ones privacy over someones damn life.

And I hope they feel guilt for the rest of their lives, even his sister Tyka, she knew also. They could've saved him.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

There are some studies that for some people pain meds increase pain. Maybe the more he took the more pain he felt. I kind of think that people may be losting sight that he had pain and was in a cycle of taking more pills to relieve pain or increasing or being in pain when going in withdrawal.

I kind of wonder if he had a chance of beating this at all.

Lot's of people live with chronic pain 24/7, he could've beaten it, he should've been referred to a Pain Clinic.

Dr.K also runs a pain clinic and you have no idea what clinics he had been too. They say they even found a chiropractor bed in his living quarters. I know the reason he kept his business to himself because there is always some insenative person who thinks they can gauge someone else's pain.

I have back pain. Nothing serious but if some ass told me I was doing enough I will slap them into the middle of next Tuesday.

Don't get too comfortable. They're just licking their wounds right now. Once they've gotten over their embarrasing loss of this major round of Jeopardy, they'll surely regroup and be back with more of their cockamamie nonsense.

Be afraid! Be very afraid!

1Sasha said:

If you believe certain posters here on the org, he was trying to reconcile with Andy Allo. You're right. Who knows? However, JH does fit the pattern: two years and a record, then on to the next one.

I think Judith was a little too old for him. She's in her 30's after all.

PennyPurple said:

Bassette said:

A suitcase next to

his bed, containing those handwritten lyrics "U got the look". I find this very odd. Because he was in his own house, not staying with friends. (Maybe this is how he lived in Andre Cymone's house?)

He carried that bag where ever he went, even as far back as when he and Mayte were married. It also had cash in it, so he could pay for things or give money to someone for doing an errand for him.

But next to his bed! In his own house!

PennyPurple said:

lastdecember said:

I dont think anyone is amking excuses for KIRK, but I think we are kidding ourselves in a really bad way that Prince did not have an issue here, pills were not rammed down his throat, and if they were then lets take them all to jail now. I blame ALOT of people around PRINCE because there is a huge issue of "hiding shit" and "Privacy" bullshit talk that is really troubling when we are talking something like addictions. So if all these people were covering it up feeling like "oh he can control it" or "we will help him" they all really dropped the ball in thinking they can manage an addiction. What some want to forget is that there was an addiction, that cannot be ignored, a lot of pills were being given out. Be it from a DR or multiple ones and in Kirks name whatever the case it is all enabling an addiction. There are countless celebs etc...because of their wealth that have become "hooked", Chevy Chase from a back surgery, Johnny Mathis years ago was addicted to pain killers, tons of others but in their cases and others "still alive" they did not have this damn stupid shrouding of ones privacy over someones damn life.

And I hope they feel guilt for the rest of their lives, even his sister Tyka, she knew also. They could've saved him.

No one is saying he did not have a problem but you are being a real jerk. I have no idea why you are even bringing Tyka into it. He was actually seeing a doctor for withdrawals what part of this do you not understand. He was also still working he was not sitting on his ass in the basement of Paisley popping pills all day. I believe he was working because he had bills and responsibilities he took care of himself since he 12. It actually tells us a lot about his work ethic and his character.

Nice of you to let big pharma and a incompetent doctor off the hook.

lastdecember said:

The person people are probably deep down most angry with is no longer here so the next best thing is to lash out at those around him as being enablers, just in it for the money, not real friends etc. etc. etc. My position hasn't changed: I think it was a tragic accident that I wish could have been prevented but I also don't think is someone specific's fault. None of us were around; we're getting bite and pieces of incomplete information from search warrants or other leaks and then saying why didn't so and so do x, y and z. I wasn't there, I don't have all the information I'm not going to pass judgement on others.

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

Percocet was also present, amongst the pills found - I think it was the red pills, A92, found in the vitamin D bottle.

I do not believe it states that in the search warrent. Please see the info from one of the search warrants.

My apologies - I'm not sure where I read it - but I know I didn't just dream it up!

HOWEVER, in the original, hand-written search warrant, there are '10 white round pills, inscription A349' listed as being in KJ's ondansetron bottle. The white A349s are acetaminophen and oxycodone hydrochloride, aka Percocet.

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In short, Percocet was present amongst the pills found at PP.

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

Sorry I don't have my *PDR* in hand- REGARDLESS, Diazapem is a "benzo" in the same EXACT family as Valium.

What DIAZAPAM it is NOT is a freaking OPIOD!


Maybe you need to go grab your bottle



...and take a seat

You have serious fucking problems. Do not ask anyone to provide links anymore since you do not read them or listen to anyone.

Once again, laura you are CLUELESS! Read disch's reply#389 and you, my dear can take a fucking seat as well.



Coming on here stating that Diazapam is generic for Vicodin...puh-lease!!!!! Your ignorance is showing once again. Btw, do you have "a link" to back up that diazapam(benzo) is the generic of vicodin (opiod)


Like Sonshine said, you really need to sit down in regards to subjects that you are obviously painfully ignorant about

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

Sorry I don't have my *PDR* in hand- REGARDLESS, Diazapem is a "benzo" in the same EXACT family as Valium.

What DIAZAPAM it is NOT is a freaking OPIOD!


Maybe you need to go grab your bottle



...and take a seat

You have serious fucking problems. Do not ask anyone to provide links anymore since you do not read them or listen to anyone.

It's really uncalled for to speak to people that way.

rogifan said:

lastdecember said:

Well until many fans can "FINALLY" say Prince had an addiction this really is going nowhere, yes there are many at fault and maybe in a criminal way, or at least a violation of their laws of being Doctors and not dealers. But Prince had an issue and that has to be said to move this on and it was being enabled.

The person people are probably deep down most angry with is no longer here so the next best thing is to lash out at those around him as being enablers, just in it for the money, not real friends etc. etc. etc. My position hasn't changed: I think it was a tragic accident that I wish could have been prevented but I also don't think is someone specific's fault. None of us were around; we're getting bite and pieces of incomplete information from search warrants or other leaks and then saying why didn't so and so do x, y and z. I wasn't there, I don't have all the information I'm not going to pass judgement on others.

EXACTLY.......

Bassette said:

PennyPurple said:

He carried that bag where ever he went, even as far back as when he and Mayte were married. It also had cash in it, so he could pay for things or give money to someone for doing an errand for him.

But next to his bed! In his own house!

Yes, where ever he went he had the bag with him.

Oh I completely agree he as addicted to opioids. And I would imagine he turned to the black market because whatever he was getting from a doctor wasn't enough to meet his needs.

lastdecember said:

disch said:

lastdecember, this has been discussed so very many times here.

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As for me, I have accepted that the fentanyl that killed him was contained in counterfeit black-market opioids that resembed other prescription opioids. That's what the search warrant alludes to, and that's in line with a national fentanyl crisis that has been well documented. (To summarize: drug dealers augment counterfeit opioids pills, and heroin, with fentanyl because it's a cheaper opioid -- but it's also very dangerous and can easily kill someone when it's manufactured and consumed in a non-regulated way, as happens with black-market drugs).

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So THERE WAS NO PRESCRIPTION FOR FENTANYL -- not in Prince's name, not in anyone else name. He had consumed what he most likely thought were percocets, vicodins, whatever.

[Edited 4/17/17 12:33pm]

But the thing is this is a pattern of "Pills" being in bottles labelled something else. Which is a huge sign of an addict that is trying to hide everything from everyone. For him to get Black Market Opioids he either purchased them himself, internet etc... or someone close got him pills, because for him to go to the black market might suggest Doctors CUTTING HIM off and him resorting to another source, and dealer sadly to say.

Giovanni777 said:

Does anyone find it odd that Prince's handwritten lyrics to "U Got The Look" were in the suitcase with the pills? The suitcase labeled "Peter Bravestrong", which was allegedly his travel suitcase.

maybe it was an inside joke, "you got to look haha". I still say this sounds planned, the surveillance being turned off when we all know Prince would never do without security without a good reason.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Neither Kirk nor the Doctor will be charged with a crime.

If they were going to be charged it would have happened long ago.

I have hope. A murder suspect in my home state was finally arrested last Friday for a murder comitted on 12/23/15. The police said he was a suspect from day one. It took so long because they wanted an iron clad case for the victim.

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Husband-of-Murdered-Ellington-Victim-Arrested-Source-419497463.html

precioux said:

laurarichardson said:

You have serious fucking problems. Do not ask anyone to provide links anymore since you do not read them or listen to anyone.

Once again, laura you are CLUELESS! Read disch's reply#389 and you, my dear can take a fucking seat as well.



Coming on here stating that Diazapam is generic for Vicodin...puh-lease!!!!! Your ignorance is showing once again. Btw, do you have "a link" to back up that diazapam(benzo) is the generic of vicodin (opiod)


Like Sonshine said, you really need to sit down in regards to subjects that you are obviously painfully ignorant about

I was wrong about the Vicodin but I am not wrong for it to be used for Seziures something I said six fucking months ago.

I posted information from the Epilespy website. See more below. They actually found this in his system and it is for the zone out type of Epilespy partial-seziures/

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What is diazepam (diazapam)?

Diazepam (diazapam) belongs to a class of drugs called benzodiazepines. It works by slowing down the movement of chemicals in the brain. This results in a reduction in nervous tension (anxiety) and muscle spasm, and also causes sedation.

Diazepam (diazapam) is used in the treatment of anxiety disorders and for short-term relief of the symptoms of anxiety.

Diazepam (diazapam) is also used to relieve the symptoms of acute alcohol withdrawal, to relax muscles, to relieve the uncontrolled muscle movements caused by cerebral palsy and paralysis of the lower body and limbs, to control involuntary movement of the hands (athetosis), to relax tight, aching muscles, and, along with other medications, to treat convulsive disorders such as epilepsy.

Click for more information on Diazapam (diazepam)

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He was prescribed other anti-anxiety meds/ Don't you think this one could have been for Epilepsy.

You do not fucking listen to anyone even when other people have posted this.

rogifan said:

IM REAL UPSET ABOUT TYKA. SHE SAT BACK AND WAITED FOR PRINCE TO DIE.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

And I hope they feel guilt for the rest of their lives, even his sister Tyka, she knew also. They could've saved him.

No one is saying he did not have a problem but you are being a real jerk. I have no idea why you are even bringing Tyka into it. He was actually seeing a doctor for withdrawals what part of this do you not understand. He was also still working he was not sitting on his ass in the basement of Paisley popping pills all day. I believe he was working because he had bills and responsibilities he took care of himself since he 12. It actually tells us a lot about his work ethic and his character.

Nice of you to let big pharma and a incompetent doctor off the hook.

Fact is laura, you don't really know what was going on between him and his dr.

PennyPurple said:

1Sasha said:

If you believe certain posters here on the org, he was trying to reconcile with Andy Allo. You're right. Who knows? However, JH does fit the pattern: two years and a record, then on to the next one.

I think Judith was a little too old for him. She's in her 30's after all.

Let's remember the "his girl is always in Minneapolis" rule. I don't think that Judith was ever in Minneapolis.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

You have serious fucking problems. Do not ask anyone to provide links anymore since you do not read them or listen to anyone.

It's really uncalled for to speak to people that way.

NO it is not you are one of the worst on this board. The Mayte ( by best friend is a racist) ass kissing

and your obsession with the drugged out rock star and his pain was not so bad narrative.

Which is too me is sicking

disch said:

Oh I completely agree he as addicted to opioids. And I would imagine he turned to the black market because whatever he was getting from a doctor wasn't enough to meet his needs.

lastdecember said:

But the thing is this is a pattern of "Pills" being in bottles labelled something else. Which is a huge sign of an addict that is trying to hide everything from everyone. For him to get Black Market Opioids he either purchased them himself, internet etc... or someone close got him pills, because for him to go to the black market might suggest Doctors CUTTING HIM off and him resorting to another source, and dealer sadly to say.

I agree with you disch.

tmo1965 said:

PennyPurple said:

I think Judith was a little too old for him. She's in her 30's after all.

Let's remember the "his girl is always in Minneapolis" rule. I don't think that Judith was ever in Minneapolis.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

No one is saying he did not have a problem but you are being a real jerk. I have no idea why you are even bringing Tyka into it. He was actually seeing a doctor for withdrawals what part of this do you not understand. He was also still working he was not sitting on his ass in the basement of Paisley popping pills all day. I believe he was working because he had bills and responsibilities he took care of himself since he 12. It actually tells us a lot about his work ethic and his character.

Nice of you to let big pharma and a incompetent doctor off the hook.

Fact is laura, you don't really know what was going on between him and his dr.

I can read the warrant. Why don't you give it a try. I even outlined and pointed out the overmedicating he was doing. If the Fentenyl did not get him this fool Doctor would have killed him.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

It's really uncalled for to speak to people that way.

NO it is not you are one of the worst on this board. The Mayte ( by best friend is a racist) ass kissing

and your obsession with the drugged out rock star and his pain was not so bad narrative.

Which is too me is sicking

Calm down laura before you have a stroke.

LoriJ said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Neither Kirk nor the Doctor will be charged with a crime.

If they were going to be charged it would have happened long ago.

I have hope. A murder suspect in my home state was finally arrested last Friday for a murder comitted on 12/23/15. The police said he was a suspect from day one. It took so long because they wanted an iron clad case for the victim.

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Husband-of-Murdered-Ellington-Victim-Arrested-Source-419497463.html

After reading Kirk's idiotic statement I have hope as well.

PeteSilas said:

Giovanni777 said:

Does anyone find it odd that Prince's handwritten lyrics to "U Got The Look" were in the suitcase with the pills? The suitcase labeled "Peter Bravestrong", which was allegedly his travel suitcase.

maybe it was an inside joke, "you got to look haha". I still say this sounds planned, the surveillance being turned off when we all know Prince would never do without security without a good reason.

I think that in Chanhassen, there was no need for beefed up security. PP is behind a gate and I'm sure that the doors were locked. Prince's fans are mostly middled aged and many have grandkids, so we are not camping out at PP waiting for P so we can try to grab him or whatever.

PeteSilas said:

Giovanni777 said:

Does anyone find it odd that Prince's handwritten lyrics to "U Got The Look" were in the suitcase with the pills? The suitcase labeled "Peter Bravestrong", which was allegedly his travel suitcase.

maybe it was an inside joke, "you got to look haha". I still say this sounds planned, the surveillance being turned off when we all know Prince would never do without security without a good reason.

My guess is that he was working on a script that would go with the song when he sang it live... sort of like how he'd sing songs like Adore and have a whole skit baked into the song and make it sound like an ad lib even though it was rehearsed. Just a guess though.

laurarichardson said:

You are so out of line here. You need to take a break, just walk away for a while.

WOW! now do your homework on Xanax....and see what you come up with....BINGO! A benzodiazepine WHICH IS THE SAME AS VALIUM.... your intelligence has been measured once again, laurar

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

*Diazepam* is NOT generic for vicodin, it is generic for Xanax. And Xanax IS used to help calm those going through withdrawls, it is also prescribed in conjunction with pain pills most of the time. Look it up

What is diazepam?

Diazepam is a benzodiazepine (ben-zoe-dye-AZE-eh-peens). It affects chemicals in the brain that may be unbalanced in people with anxiety.

Diazepam is used to treat anxiety disorders, alcohol withdrawal symptoms, or muscle spasms. Diazepam is sometimes used with other medications to treat seizures.

Diazepam may also be used for purposes not listed in this medication guide.

Why would he be prescribed 3 drugs for anxiety? Remember he was written Rx for this as well as two other anxiety drugs but the Diazepam was found in his system.

See this one as well because I guess the Epilepsy foundation is making this up as well.

http://www.epilepsy.com/medications/diazepam

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Diastat (dye-ah-stat) is the brand name used in the United States and Canada for the seizure medicine with the generic name diazepam in the form of a gel that is inserted into the patient's rectum to stop a cluster of repeated seizures. Similar products are available in the UK and elsewhere.

Diastat

Diastat (DYE-ah-stat) is the brand name used in the United States and Canada for the seizure medicine with the generic name diazepam (dye-az-eh-pam). It is available in a gel form that is inserted into the patient’s rectum to stop a cluster of repeated seizures. Similar products are available in the UK and other countries. It was approved by the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in 1997 as the first at-home alternative to treat clusters of seizures.

Liquid Injection

"Quick-Dose" rectal delivery system (resembling a syringe with a flexible, molded tip):

• Pediatric: 2.5 mg, 5 mg
• "Universal": 10 mg
• Adult: 15 mg, 20 mg

Diazepam

Tablet

2mg diazepam

2mg diazepam

2mg diazepam

5mg diazepam

5mg diazepam

10mg diazepam

10mg diazepam

10mg diazepam

Valium

Tablet

2mg valium

5mg valium

10mg valium

Used to treat

• Lennox-Gastaut Syndrome
• Absence Seizures
• Atonic Seizures
• Complex Partial Seizures
• Myoclonic Seizures
• Simple Partial Seizures
• Tonic-clonic Seizures

Forms

There are several brands and generic forms of the medicine.

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https://www.drugs.com/dosage/diazepam.html

How can you reason with someone who's doing things like checking out of a hospital mere hours after receiving a "save shot"?
How do you get them to treatment immediately? Someone in his inner circle tried, albeit much too late.

[Edited 4/17/17 13:36pm]