Still hard to believe a large quantity of narcotics were scattered throughout Paisley Park. Prince, we hardly knew you.

Good catch, disch! Me too!

I tell ya! Posts like yours, disch — and five or six other like-minded members — are the only things that make this site worth my time

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rogifan said:

Good to see that innocent until proven guilty is alive and well on the org.

babynoz said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

can someone please explain why would prince need a pulse device and a blood pressure cuff.

I don't think it's unusual, he was 57. I'm only 54 and have those in my house, because my hubby has high blood pressure. It comes with age and high blood pressure.

babynoz said:

rogifan said:

Good to see that innocent until proven guilty is alive and well on the org.

Including the innocent who died from an accidental overdose of pills laced with fentanyl. Is that not sad enough?

PennyPurple said:

paulludvig said:

Reply #358 and# 373

[Edited 4/17/17 14:27pm]

You need to go back to mind reading school, because you can't read minds. Also STOP trying to put words in my mouth. At NO time did I say that the man was on drugs for 20-30 years, so get your stuff straight.

Post #358 SAYS:

"Very True Precious. And I beleive the family knew all of this (of course they did) WTH would they let him continue to work there and be friends with him."

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Which was about KIRK and the family knowing that the dr. prescribed meds for Prince in Kirk's name. Of course the family knew, because the investigators have kept the family updated.

Post # 373 SAYS:

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"He carried that bag where ever he went, even as far back as when he and Mayte were married. It also had cash in it so he could pay for things or give money to someone for doing an errand for him"

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Which was in reply to someone asking about the bag and why it would be in his room.

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So stop making stuff up that I've said and stop trying to twist everything I say to suit YOUR purpose. That ain't right.

If we put together the things you have stated in various posts it's pretty clear what you ar insinuating.

Post 358 was a reply to this:

"No, BUT- he needs to get his 30 year enabling AZZ the f*ck out of PAISLEY PARK! That's for DAMN SURE!"

Post 373 should be read i connection with speculation about the vitamin bottles in the bag containing drugs.

[Edited 4/17/17 15:12pm]

Strawberrylova123 said:

Identity said:

Still hard to believe a large quantity of narcotics were scattered throughout Paisley Park. Prince, we hardly knew you.

I wondered about that myself. Maybe it was because PP was so huge they could be stored in more than one location. But don't people keep their meds in one location, med cabinet, or a certain draw? what do they mean scattered throughout? 3 places? 10 places? more?

Ingela said:

I personally do not blame KJ for being a faithful enabler. We've all done that at some point in our lives. I know I have.

But that doesn't mean the law sees it the same way. Especially if someone dies as a direct consequence and you were supplying drugs illicitly.

Hope he has OJ Lawyer money squirreled away. He is going to need it if he's going to stay out of jail.

No, I haven'tever been an enabler to anyone.

I think at the end of his life, the thing that was killing him (and did kill him) was his opioid addiction. I don't believe he died of joint pain.

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In other words, his physical addiction to opioids had driven him to do various less-than-ideal things such as acquire black-market drugs and get a doctor to prescribe drugs in his friend's name. So it's hard to say what role hip pain played in the final stage of a situation where clearly lies and deception were sadly going on.

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No, why did he take that first opioid pill, whenever that was? Who knows? It certainly might have been physical pain. But whatever the reason for that initial exposure, by the end it had taken a different, tragic turn into addiction.

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And the whole "recreational use" thing is something I have trouble with. For some reason, some people are comfortable with with the idea of illicit use of opioids to self-medicate physical pain, but are repelled by illicit opioids to self-medicate emotional pain, which gets dumped into the "recreational use" bucket. But that's a debate that's happened many times here and not really part of this.

babynoz said:

disch said:

The seizure thing is a ridiculous theory. Prince telling some yarn about having seizures when he was a very small child (which I'm not even sure he ascribed to epilepsy, althrough he may have) hardly translates to having uncontrolled epilepsy at a 57 year old.

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Laura, you're the first one to repeat we should all listen to what his associates have to say. Well, what associate has ever said epilepsy or seizures as an adult was an issue for him?

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Valium is widely used for a number of reasons; epileptic seizure control is the least of it (and others here have repeatedly stated that valium would not be the drug of choice nowadays for epilepsy control).

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The whole point is: We have no idea the veracity of the "hip pain" statement. The evidence is strong, however, that he was addicted to opioids and was struggling with that addiction and the suffereing that withdrawal was causing.



I'm confused. Are you implying that Prince was became addicted as a recreational user and not due to legitimate pain issues?

PennyPurple said:

DD55 said:

disch said:

disch said:

I think at the end of his life, the thing that was killing him (and did kill him) was his opioid addiction. I don't believe he died of joint pain.

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In other words, his physical addiction to opioids had driven him to do various less-than-ideal things such as acquire black-market drugs and get a doctor to prescribe drugs in his friend's name. So it's hard to say what role hip pain played in the final stage of a situation where clearly lies and deception were sadly going on.

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No, why did he take that first opioid pill, whenever that was? Who knows? It certainly might have been physical pain. But whatever the reason for that initial exposure, by the end it had taken a different, tragic turn into addiction.

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And the whole "recreational use" thing is something I have trouble with. For some reason, some people are comfortable with with the idea of illicit use of opioids to self-medicate physical pain, but are repelled by illicit opioids to self-medicate emotional pain, which gets dumped into the "recreational use" bucket. But that's a debate that's happened many times here and not really part of this.

babynoz said:

The whole point is: We have no idea the veracity of the "hip pain" statement. The evidence is strong, however, that he was addicted to opioids and was struggling with that addiction and the suffereing that withdrawal was causing.



I'm confused. Are you implying that Prince was became addicted as a recreational user and not due to legitimate pain issues?

I think it is simply because these meds are not meant to treat "emotional pain".

purplepoppy said:

But maybe the video and audio were for him to see/hear others - not for them to see him. There is no reason to think he didn't know how to control whether it was off or on.

Maybe. I recall one of those Strib articles in the first days after Prince passed that claimed Maurice had worked security at PP.

I'm still reading but I haven't seen anything about him being questioned. Next time I saw him he was in a bromance with Jayz.

Strawberrylova123 said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

You need to go back to mind reading school, because you can't read minds. Also STOP trying to put words in my mouth. At NO time did I say that the man was on drugs for 20-30 years, so get your stuff straight.

Post #358 SAYS:

"Very True Precious. And I beleive the family knew all of this (of course they did) WTH would they let him continue to work there and be friends with him."

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Which was about KIRK and the family knowing that the dr. prescribed meds for Prince in Kirk's name. Of course the family knew, because the investigators have kept the family updated.

Post # 373 SAYS:

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"He carried that bag where ever he went, even as far back as when he and Mayte were married. It also had cash in it so he could pay for things or give money to someone for doing an errand for him"

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Which was in reply to someone asking about the bag and why it would be in his room.

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So stop making stuff up that I've said and stop trying to twist everything I say to suit YOUR purpose. That ain't right.

If we put together the things you have stated in various posts it's pretty clear what you ar insinuating.

Post 358 was a reply to this:

"No, BUT- he needs to get his 30 year enabling AZZ the f*ck out of PAISLEY PARK! That's for DAMN SURE!"

Post 373 should be read i connection with speculation about the vitamin bottles in the bag containing drugs.

[Edited 4/17/17 15:12pm]

AGain, I'm telling you. DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME! Stop trying to tell me what to say and what not to say. Because YOU are going to be reported next. Now if you can't talk for yourself, then don't try to talk for me. Actually you haven't contributed a damn thing on this thread but accuse me of saying things that I haven't said.

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

WOW! now do your homework on Xanax....and see what you come up with....BINGO! A benzodiazepine WHICH IS THE SAME AS VALIUM.... your intelligence has been measured once again, laurar

laurarichardson said:

What is diazepam?

Diazepam is a benzodiazepine (ben-zoe-dye-AZE-eh-peens). It affects chemicals in the brain that may be unbalanced in people with anxiety.

Diazepam is used to treat anxiety disorders, alcohol withdrawal symptoms, or muscle spasms. Diazepam is sometimes used with other medications to treat seizures.

Diazepam may also be used for purposes not listed in this medication guide.

Why would he be prescribed 3 drugs for anxiety? Remember he was written Rx for this as well as two other anxiety drugs but the Diazepam was found in his system.

See this one as well because I guess the Epilepsy foundation is making this up as well.

http://www.epilepsy.com/medications/diazepam

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Diastat (dye-ah-stat) is the brand name used in the United States and Canada for the seizure medicine with the generic name diazepam in the form of a gel that is inserted into the patient's rectum to stop a cluster of repeated seizures. Similar products are available in the UK and elsewhere.

Diastat

Diastat (DYE-ah-stat) is the brand name used in the United States and Canada for the seizure medicine with the generic name diazepam (dye-az-eh-pam). It is available in a gel form that is inserted into the patient’s rectum to stop a cluster of repeated seizures. Similar products are available in the UK and other countries. It was approved by the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in 1997 as the first at-home alternative to treat clusters of seizures.

Liquid Injection

"Quick-Dose" rectal delivery system (resembling a syringe with a flexible, molded tip):

• Pediatric: 2.5 mg, 5 mg
• "Universal": 10 mg
• Adult: 15 mg, 20 mg

Diazepam

Tablet

2mg diazepam

2mg diazepam

2mg diazepam

5mg diazepam

5mg diazepam

10mg diazepam

10mg diazepam

10mg diazepam

Valium

Tablet

2mg valium

5mg valium

10mg valium

Used to treat

• Lennox-Gastaut Syndrome
• Absence Seizures
• Atonic Seizures
• Complex Partial Seizures
• Myoclonic Seizures
• Simple Partial Seizures
• Tonic-clonic Seizures

Forms

There are several brands and generic forms of the medicine.

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https://www.drugs.com/dosage/diazepam.html

Fuck me this is worrying! P was self-medicating his epilepsy with... wait for it... benzodiazopenes -which aren't their typical intended use, unlike anti-convulsants. And a further caveat, P hadn't suffered from seizures since childhood. And there is no recent record of him ever convulsing - a typical sign of an epileptic fit. Given LR's account (see illustration above) we would expect to see pills specifically with anti-seizure action. No such thing's transpired

I agree -- and "comfortable with" isn't the right way to say it; I should have said something like "sympathetic to."

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The reality is, these meds were not meant to be taken, for any reason, not under a doctor's strict supervision. So ANY illicit use -- for physical pain or whatever reason -- deviates from how they're meant to be used.

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And to be clear (because I know I'll be told i'm a "junkie lover" or advocate getting "strung out" or whatever): I'm deeply sympathetic to anyone whose pain (physical or emotional) drives them to do self-destructive things. People should never end up feeling that risky, self-desctructive behavior is their only option for dealing with their pain and suffering, and they should have help available and not feel ashamed to reach out for it. But that's a social problem that is best suited for another thread.

paulludvig said:

disch said:

I think at the end of his life, the thing that was killing him (and did kill him) was his opioid addiction. I don't believe he died of joint pain.

-

In other words, his physical addiction to opioids had driven him to do various less-than-ideal things such as acquire black-market drugs and get a doctor to prescribe drugs in his friend's name. So it's hard to say what role hip pain played in the final stage of a situation where clearly lies and deception were sadly going on.

-

No, why did he take that first opioid pill, whenever that was? Who knows? It certainly might have been physical pain. But whatever the reason for that initial exposure, by the end it had taken a different, tragic turn into addiction.

-

And the whole "recreational use" thing is something I have trouble with. For some reason, some people are comfortable with with the idea of illicit use of opioids to self-medicate physical pain, but are repelled by illicit opioids to self-medicate emotional pain, which gets dumped into the "recreational use" bucket. But that's a debate that's happened many times here and not really part of this.

I think it is simply because these meds are not meant to treat "emotional pain".

purplepoppy said:

rogifan said:

purplepoppy said:

Including the innocent who died from an accidental overdose of pills laced with fentanyl. Is that not sad enough?

I don't know what one has to do with the other. Lock Kirk up in jail if it makes you feel better. It isn't going to bring Prince back and it isn't going to stop the opioid crisis.

That's the cops job. I personally wouldn't jail him, but it looks like that's where the man is heading that's all we're saying.

destinyc1 said:

Really, it's pointless us all turning against one another...The simple fact is that we all love(d) P and are flailing against the injustice of our loss. But we should remember - it's a loss we're ALL experiencing together!

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Re how long P was taking pain medications, we simply don't know...He could have taken them on and off for decades; he could have carried them in vitamin bottles in his black bag for decades; he could have started on them as a result of physical (hip) pain or emotional pain (depression - Lord knows, he'd been through enough trauma in his life to warrant them).
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On the surface - to US (and, seemingly many others in his life / circle) he was managing OK until 'recently', when he suddenly, and for some inexplicable reason, began trying to withdraw from them, and suffered the various consequences (at least that is the narrative we're being fed via the interviews on the search warrants).

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All I know for certain is that he started looking and doing things that seemed 'odd' over the last two years, right up until his death.

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I wouldn't put it past P to have 'designed' / planned this whole thing because he'd simply had enough - but that's maybe just my perspective.

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