Identity said:

PennyPurple said:

And I hope they feel guilt for the rest of their lives, even his sister Tyka, she knew also. They could've saved him.

How can you reason with someone who doing things like checking out of a hospital mere hours after receiving a "save shot"?
How do you get them to treatment immediately? Someone in his inner circle tried, albeit much too late.

All kirk had to do was say the thought P was in danger to himself and they could have held him for 48 hrs. Again.... can't go there with the coulda woulda shoulda.... we'll drive ourselves nuts. ~~DD55

PennyPurple said:

lastdecember said:

I dont think anyone is amking excuses for KIRK, but I think we are kidding ourselves in a really bad way that Prince did not have an issue here, pills were not rammed down his throat, and if they were then lets take them all to jail now. I blame ALOT of people around PRINCE because there is a huge issue of "hiding shit" and "Privacy" bullshit talk that is really troubling when we are talking something like addictions. So if all these people were covering it up feeling like "oh he can control it" or "we will help him" they all really dropped the ball in thinking they can manage an addiction. What some want to forget is that there was an addiction, that cannot be ignored, a lot of pills were being given out. Be it from a DR or multiple ones and in Kirks name whatever the case it is all enabling an addiction. There are countless celebs etc...because of their wealth that have become "hooked", Chevy Chase from a back surgery, Johnny Mathis years ago was addicted to pain killers, tons of others but in their cases and others "still alive" they did not have this damn stupid shrouding of ones privacy over someones damn life.

And I hope they feel guilt for the rest of their lives, even his sister Tyka, she knew also. They could've saved him.

You don't know what anybody knew. You don't even know what was to be known.

PeteSilas said:

Giovanni777 said:

Does anyone find it odd that Prince's handwritten lyrics to "U Got The Look" were in the suitcase with the pills? The suitcase labeled "Peter Bravestrong", which was allegedly his travel suitcase.

maybe it was an inside joke, "you got to look haha". I still say this sounds planned, the surveillance being turned off when we all know Prince would never do without security without a good reason.

You're not the only one saying it.

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On FB, there are lots of comments about the drugs being planted...The fact that the place wasn't properly sealed as a crime scene plays into that theory of course.

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In any case, you're right...The lack of video surveillance is very odd - I wonder if the sound system was also turned off. I remember hearing that Prince had every room wired for sound on the off-chance the creative urge took him (whilst on the toilet, for example). It seems strange that that too should be switched off.
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It also seems as if the pills had been stock-piled and I can't help but get suspicious at that. I personally stock-piled pills once in my lifetime - when I was in a very bad place. Could P have done all of this deliberately? Could it be suicide, made to look like an accident? (Didn't he say he would have the wherewithal to do that, if required)?
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Given that KJ knew all of this would come out once the search warrants were opened, one has to wonder what he meant by 'everything being locked away in his personal vault, ne'er to be revealed'..?

Yeah, I have said that, too. I think it's called a 5150 in California, but every state has it. He was a danger to himself - the doctor would sign the order and he would have been sitting there for 48 hours.

He was n an adult, but he was a very tiny one. Easy to overdose on anything.

tmo1965 said:

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

Once again, laura you are CLUELESS! Read disch's reply#389 and you, my dear can take a fucking seat as well.



Coming on here stating that Diazapam is generic for Vicodin...puh-lease!!!!! Your ignorance is showing once again. Btw, do you have "a link" to back up that diazapam(benzo) is the generic of vicodin (opiod)


Like Sonshine said, you really need to sit down in regards to subjects that you are obviously painfully ignorant about

I was wrong about the Vicodin but I am not wrong for it to be used for Seziures something I said six fucking months ago.

I posted information from the Epilespy website. See more below. They actually found this in his system and it is for the zone out type of Epilespy partial-seziures/

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What is diazepam (diazapam)?

Diazepam (diazapam) belongs to a class of drugs called benzodiazepines. It works by slowing down the movement of chemicals in the brain. This results in a reduction in nervous tension (anxiety) and muscle spasm, and also causes sedation.

Diazepam (diazapam) is used in the treatment of anxiety disorders and for short-term relief of the symptoms of anxiety.

Diazepam (diazapam) is also used to relieve the symptoms of acute alcohol withdrawal, to relax muscles, to relieve the uncontrolled muscle movements caused by cerebral palsy and paralysis of the lower body and limbs, to control involuntary movement of the hands (athetosis), to relax tight, aching muscles, and, along with other medications, to treat convulsive disorders such as epilepsy.

Click for more information on Diazapam (diazepam)

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He was prescribed other anti-anxiety meds/ Don't you think this one could have been for Epilepsy.

You do not fucking listen to anyone even when other people have posted this.

The only thing that was disputed WAS the fact that you were blatantly calling *Diazapam* generic FOR VICODIN....that's it...quit backpedaling about something that had no mention in the FALSE statement you provided, PERIOD. Point being you need not throw out your suppositions as fact when they are just that, ignorant suppositions. When you put things out there as fact, people take you at your word.FACT is : Xanax and Va lium ARE the same, NOT Diazapam and Vicodin.

laurarichardson said:

tmo1965 said:

The warrants confirm that he was treated for an OD in Moline. That sad thing is that they offered him treatment for addiction and he refused. If he had accepted that treatment right then, he would more than likely still be here.

But he was already seeing Dr. S

For all the good that did. How the hell was he being treated for "withdrawals" and managed to OD not once but twice, the last time fatally, within a week's time????????????

[Edited 4/17/17 13:47pm]

Dibblekins said:

PeteSilas said:

maybe it was an inside joke, "you got to look haha". I still say this sounds planned, the surveillance being turned off when we all know Prince would never do without security without a good reason.

You're not the only one saying it.

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On FB, there are lots of comments about the drugs being planted...The fact that the place wasn't properly sealed as a crime scene plays into that theory of course.

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In any case, you're right...The lack of video surveillance is very odd - I wonder if the sound system was also turned off. I remember hearing that Prince had every room wired for sound on the off-chance the creative urge took him (whilst on the toilet, for example). It seems strange that that too should be switched off.
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It also seems as if the pills had been stock-piled and I can't help but get suspicious at that. I personally stock-piled pills once in my lifetime - when I was in a very bad place. Could P have done all of this deliberately? Could it be suicide, made to look like an accident? (Didn't he say he would have the wherewithal to do that, if required)?
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Given that KJ knew all of this would come out once the search warrants were opened, one has to wonder what he meant by 'everything being locked away in his personal vault, ne'er to be revealed'..?

You would be surprised how many people in that area think it was deliberate. That wasn't their first thought - they thought it had to be a terrible accident. But after about six weeks, the more they talked, the more they thought there were too many coincidences: no security, no cameras, no contact - being left alone, making amends over the past several months, etc.

Identity said:

PennyPurple said:

And I hope they feel guilt for the rest of their lives, even his sister Tyka, she knew also. They could've saved him.

How can you reason with someone who's doing things like checking out of a hospital mere hours after receiving a "save shot"?
How do you get them to treatment immediately? Someone in his inner circle tried, albeit much too late.

[Edited 4/17/17 13:36pm]

Didn't Prince get Tyka help and put her in rehab when she was having her drug problems? She could've done the same for him.

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And if he was serious about getting off the drugs, then he should've stayed in the hospital.

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But all of this is stuff we already knew, the only thing new to us is that some of the scripts were in Kirk's name and the associates said he was dealing with withdrawels. Those 2 things were the only thing that is new to us.

PeteSilas said:

Maybe he just didn't want to be saved...

PennyPurple said:

Dibblekins said:

PeteSilas said:

maybe it was an inside joke, "you got to look haha". I still say this sounds planned, the surveillance being turned off when we all know Prince would never do without security without a good reason.

You're not the only one saying it.

.
On FB, there are lots of comments about the drugs being planted...The fact that the place wasn't properly sealed as a crime scene plays into that theory of course.

.
In any case, you're right...The lack of video surveillance is very odd - I wonder if the sound system was also turned off. I remember hearing that Prince had every room wired for sound on the off-chance the creative urge took him (whilst on the toilet, for example). It seems strange that that too should be switched off.
.
It also seems as if the pills had been stock-piled and I can't help but get suspicious at that. I personally stock-piled pills once in my lifetime - when I was in a very bad place. Could P have done all of this deliberately? Could it be suicide, made to look like an accident? (Didn't he say he would have the wherewithal to do that, if required)?
.
Given that KJ knew all of this would come out once the search warrants were opened, one has to wonder what he meant by 'everything being locked away in his personal vault, ne'er to be revealed'..?

I think what KJ meant was it's locked up in his head and he ain't ever gonna talk.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Fact is laura, you don't really know what was going on between him and his dr.

I can read the warrant. Why don't you give it a try. I even outlined and pointed out the overmedicating he was doing. If the Fentenyl did not get him this fool Doctor would have killed him.

Technically, you *may* be able to read the warrant, but in turn, you come on this board and throw out your INCORRECT suppostions to medically factual statements. THAT needs to stop. Otherwise, you WILL be called out at every turn, like you have been thus far. So, might as well get comfortable

Identity said:

tmo1965 said:

PennyPurple said:

Dibblekins said:

You're not the only one saying it.

.
On FB, there are lots of comments about the drugs being planted...The fact that the place wasn't properly sealed as a crime scene plays into that theory of course.

.
In any case, you're right...The lack of video surveillance is very odd - I wonder if the sound system was also turned off. I remember hearing that Prince had every room wired for sound on the off-chance the creative urge took him (whilst on the toilet, for example). It seems strange that that too should be switched off.
.
It also seems as if the pills had been stock-piled and I can't help but get suspicious at that. I personally stock-piled pills once in my lifetime - when I was in a very bad place. Could P have done all of this deliberately? Could it be suicide, made to look like an accident? (Didn't he say he would have the wherewithal to do that, if required)?
.
Given that KJ knew all of this would come out once the search warrants were opened, one has to wonder what he meant by 'everything being locked away in his personal vault, ne'er to be revealed'..?

I think what KJ meant was it's locked up in his head and he ain't ever gonna talk.

I get that - but what I am trying (and clearly failing) to say is that what else is there to talk about IF everything is as obvious as it apparently seems from the now-opened warrants?

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The warrants make it seem as though P was addicted to pain meds, and simply took an accidental overdose. IF all is as it appears, there would be nothing to be 'locked up in KJ's head', surely? Unless there IS more to it and all is not as it seems..?

precioux said:

laurarichardson said:

I was wrong about the Vicodin but I am not wrong for it to be used for Seziures something I said six fucking months ago.

I posted information from the Epilespy website. See more below. They actually found this in his system and it is for the zone out type of Epilespy partial-seziures/

---------

What is diazepam (diazapam)?

Diazepam (diazapam) belongs to a class of drugs called benzodiazepines. It works by slowing down the movement of chemicals in the brain. This results in a reduction in nervous tension (anxiety) and muscle spasm, and also causes sedation.

Diazepam (diazapam) is used in the treatment of anxiety disorders and for short-term relief of the symptoms of anxiety.

Diazepam (diazapam) is also used to relieve the symptoms of acute alcohol withdrawal, to relax muscles, to relieve the uncontrolled muscle movements caused by cerebral palsy and paralysis of the lower body and limbs, to control involuntary movement of the hands (athetosis), to relax tight, aching muscles, and, along with other medications, to treat convulsive disorders such as epilepsy.

Click for more information on Diazapam (diazepam)

---

He was prescribed other anti-anxiety meds/ Don't you think this one could have been for Epilepsy.

You do not fucking listen to anyone even when other people have posted this.

The only thing that was disputed WAS the fact that you were blatantly calling *Diazapam* generic FOR VICODIN....that's it...quit backpedaling about something that had no mention in the FALSE statement you provided, PERIOD. Point being you need not throw out your suppositions as fact when they are just that, ignorant suppositions. When you put things out there as fact, people take you at your word.FACT is : Xanax and Va lium ARE the same, NOT Diazapam and Vicodin.

Here's an idea: why don't you BOTH STFU, since you're both wrong!

Xanax and Valium are not the same drug. Xanax is the trademarked name for alprazolam, Valium is the trademarked name for diazepam. Both are benzodiazepines, but they are not the same drug. For one thing, Xanax is a shorter-acting drug than Valium. (I know - I've taken both.)

precioux said:

laytonian said:

Identity said:

How can you reason with someone who's doing things like checking out of a hospital mere hours after receiving a "save shot"?
How do you get them to treatment immediately? Someone in his inner circle tried, albeit much too late.

[Edited 4/17/17 13:36pm]

. The only thing that might have worked was a group encounter. People telling him he couldn't do it alone. But everyone valued his privacy so I doubt they talked to each other about what to do, until the very end. .

That could be.

paulludvig said:

Genesia said:

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

Genesia said:

Here's an idea: why don't you BOTH STFU, since you're both wrong!

Xanax and Valium are not the same drug. Xanax is the trademarked name for alprazolam, Valium is the trademarked name for diazepam. Both are benzodiazepines, but they are not the same drug. For one thing, Xanax is a shorter-acting drug than Valium. (I know - I've taken both.)

Maybe it is the drugs that are making you show your ass today. Why don't you spend some time mediating before I really tell you where you can go and how fast you can get there.

Log off, Laura. Everyone here hates your crotchety ass.

Flirt1 said:

From Mayte's book re the contents of his bag- Candy,vitamins,makeup,a Bible and a big wad of cash." Page162

Flirt1 said:

How did the flyer in the Purple Rain room get there? I thought Phaedra reached out to Kornfield. Perhaps Kornfield contact Kirk after the initial call from Phaedra. So, did Kornfield's son drop the flyer in the PR room?

Did Kirk have it on him the 20th and leave it. Maybe the "intervention" was not known to Prince. Could you imagine if Prince stumbled upon it the evening of the 20th?

I don't know. More questions than answers. Why were the warrants unsealed if the investigation is ongoing?

I read the warrants and here are my quick thoughts:

1. There is an inconstitency about Kirk's statement that April 20 being the only time that he had gotten prescription drugs in his name before. There were other bottles found with Prince's name on them at Paisley.

2. Who were the other 3 people (6 total) that were there when police arrived?

3. No video surveillance at all at Paisley? That doesn't sound right.

4. There is a discrepancy in the warrants. One says that the only prescription was the April 20th for Oxy that was made out to Kirk to protect Prince's privacy, but the other warrants say that Schulenberg prescribed him 3 medications on April 20 (appears to be two for anxiety and one for nausea). As I said in #1, there are other warrants that say that several bottles with Kirk's name were found at Paisley.

5. Why would Schulenberg prescribe oxy to Prince on April 20 after it was clear that he had a pain pill addiction?

6. Most importantly, what were the inconstistent and contradictory statements that were made by the 3 people ((Kirk, Merone and Kornfeld) at the scene?