purplethunder3121 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

There were about 100 Watson 853/Hydrocodone pills found in various locations throughout PP. Prince died from taking pills marked Watson 853 but in actuality were Fentanyl. I just want to make sure this fact does not get lost in this talk about anxiety and withdrawal medication.

Exactly.

Word. If they were all the same, any one could kill any human regardless of size and tolerance... and P had no history of Fentanyl, so tolerance wasn't even on his side.

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:

I am not saying Prince was not addicted to these meds. I have never said that in fact it was never hidden from the very beginning that he was seeing Dr. S from withdrawals which I said was weird since he was so private and this infor was thrown out almost immediatly.

I am saying that a lot of things do not add for just pain med addictions.

Why was he taking them in the first place?

How long has he been taking them?

Why the sudden need to get off of them which is very dangerous?

How was even able to travel and work while going thru withdrawals?

Why was he seeing Dr. S when he had no background for addictions and withdrawals.

Why was doctor S continuing to prescirbe pain meds to someone who is suppose to be withdrawing and how come Dr. S has not been charged with the crime of writing an Rx for someone who did not need the Rx. Why is Dr. S off the hook?

Why are associates being evasive when we knew from the begining what he was seeing Dr. S for?

Does anyone realize what these pain meds can do to your organs? Why was Prince crying at the Jazz fest concert and talking about I got to go.?

How much withdrawal can you through for two years?

And what does his sister mean she knew two years ago? Why is Tidal saying he gave POA to someone ( not saying Tidal could not be telling a tell)? Why would every album have different terms in the WB deal some giving WB licensing rights forever?

What was going on with the black clothes?

A lot of questions.

This entire post is glaring proof Laura that you do not understand the treatment and management of opioid dependence.

And your response show you cannot understand that I do not give one crap about what you have to say. Bounce All of the questions are valid.

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

Uuummmm I don't agree with that. They were in all sorts of mislabled bottles. If they came from a pharmacy they wouldn't be in an aleve bottle. I think Prince knew they were off the streets.

He knew that it had been optained illegally, but he thought they were ligit meds.

Exactly no one has said he received the Watson pills legally but they pills had Fentenyl in them and the test before did not show him to a long term user of Fentenyl.

That is the reason the case is being investigated as a homcide. A year has gone by and the police suspect that he had no idea what he was taking.

I think one thing we can all agree on is that this didn't have to happen.But,one thing that many will always disagree on is that it started with prince and ended with prince.He just wouldn't or couldn't get out of his own way. Reguardless he was one of a kind he gave of his heart and time.

I agree. The ultimate responsibility was his. I didn't expect to see how they found him in the paperwork, though. But I can't wrap my head around certain of the "facts" even though I have read the warrants.

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

Uuummmm I don't agree with that. They were in all sorts of mislabled bottles. If they came from a pharmacy they wouldn't be in an aleve bottle. I think Prince knew they were off the streets.

He knew that it had been obtained illegally, but he thought they were ligit meds.

[Edited 4/17/17 11:15am]

Ok, I see and I do agree with this statement. ^

precioux said:

laurarichardson said:

Explain the doctor prescribing the oxy if he was helping with withdrawals. Explain the Diapham which is a generic for Vicodin. It can be used for seizures but why would you give that to a person trying to get off drugs.

He had a lot of medical issues going on either from the withdrawal or actual pain from something else

Remember he had $65k in medical expenses on his inventory sheet and had made two trips to the hospital back in 2014 and 2015 per Kirk. All I going to say if you see the pics of him in the fall of 2015 who looks puffy in the face and a few months later looks like death warmed over.

*Diazepam* is NOT generic for vicodin, it is generic for Xanax. And Xanax IS used to help calm those going through withdrawls, it is also prescribed in conjunction with pain pills most of the time. Look it up

What is diazepam?

Diazepam is a benzodiazepine (ben-zoe-dye-AZE-eh-peens). It affects chemicals in the brain that may be unbalanced in people with anxiety.

Diazepam is used to treat anxiety disorders, alcohol withdrawal symptoms, or muscle spasms. Diazepam is sometimes used with other medications to treat seizures.

Diazepam may also be used for purposes not listed in this medication guide.

Why would he be prescribed 3 drugs for anxiety? Remember he was written Rx for this as well as two other anxiety drugs but the Diazepam was found in his system.

See this one as well because I guess the Epilepsy foundation is making this up as well.

http://www.epilepsy.com/medications/diazepam

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Diastat

Diastat (DYE-ah-stat) is the brand name used in the United States and Canada for the seizure medicine with the generic name diazepam (dye-az-eh-pam). It is available in a gel form that is inserted into the patient’s rectum to stop a cluster of repeated seizures. Similar products are available in the UK and other countries. It was approved by the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in 1997 as the first at-home alternative to treat clusters of seizures.

Liquid Injection

"Quick-Dose" rectal delivery system (resembling a syringe with a flexible, molded tip):

• Pediatric: 2.5 mg, 5 mg
• "Universal": 10 mg
• Adult: 15 mg, 20 mg

Diazepam

Tablet

2mg diazepam

2mg diazepam

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2mg valium

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https://www.drugs.com/dosage/diazepam.html

destinyc1 said:

I think one thing we can all agree on is that this didn't have to happen.But,one thing that many will always disagree on is that it started with prince and ended with prince.He just wouldn't or couldn't get out of his own way. Reguardless he was one of a kind he gave of his heart and time.

If he was seeing Dr S for withdrawals that would mean he was getting help. I think he just he wanted to keep working and that was not possible.

laurarichardson said:

Jesus dude he was wearing black clothes all the time and not good looking clothes. His hair even for a fro was a hot ass mess, I have seen Prince in concert 10 times and watched numerous live shows since when was he ever fucking crying saying I got to go, I got to go. I tell you never. I do not see the emotionalism of a gospel song being the same as crying about having to go somewhere. I have never seen him cry doing the ladder and we only have one clip of him even performing the song.

He even bragged that he stopped crying after his dad threw him out and Mayte is complaining about his coldness and lack of emotionalism when their son died so all of sudden he is having a cry fest for no reason.

Black clothes also mean grief, mourning and death it is very significant in the black community. I cannot see someone who did not even want his employees dressing down going this route for no reason.

A couple points...

I think Prince in 2016 was VERY different from Prince 1995/96 when he was with Mayte. I say that just from observing him, including at concerts. He was very image conscious during his days, and quite standoffish. For example, I attended a dance party at PP Thanksgiving weekend in 1996. I think this was about a month after the baby had died. popped into the room a few times throughout the night, and just from observing him there that night, I can relate to what Mayte says about him in that era. By contrast, the last 5 years or so, he's seemed very different from that person He clearly had changed, and was just more relaxed around people.

I think part of that relaxation was not needing to dress 365/24/7 as "Prince" the way he did back then. He learned to age with grace. He'd have looked silly trying to wear similar custom outfits in his 50s to those he wore during the Mayte era. The black clothes were just casual clothes, perhaps representing his comfort about letting his work be judged on the substance instead of needing a lot of image and razzle/dazzle with it. That's why he was comfortable with just a piano and a mic... let the music do the talking. The black on black looked nice and simple - you act like there's some big difference with wearing a black sweatshirt versus wearing a gray sweatshirt. I think you're reading too much into it.

The warrants confirm that he was treated for an OD in Moline. That sad thing is that they offered him treatment for addiction and he refused. If he had accepted that treatment right then, he would more than likely still be here.

BanishedBrian said:

laurarichardson said:

Jesus dude he was wearing black clothes all the time and not good looking clothes. His hair even for a fro was a hot ass mess, I have seen Prince in concert 10 times and watched numerous live shows since when was he ever fucking crying saying I got to go, I got to go. I tell you never. I do not see the emotionalism of a gospel song being the same as crying about having to go somewhere. I have never seen him cry doing the ladder and we only have one clip of him even performing the song.

He even bragged that he stopped crying after his dad threw him out and Mayte is complaining about his coldness and lack of emotionalism when their son died so all of sudden he is having a cry fest for no reason.

Black clothes also mean grief, mourning and death it is very significant in the black community. I cannot see someone who did not even want his employees dressing down going this route for no reason.

A couple points...

I think Prince in 2016 was VERY different from Prince 1995/96 when he was with Mayte. I say that just from observing him, including at concerts. He was very image conscious during his days, and quite standoffish. For example, I attended a dance party at PP Thanksgiving weekend in 1996. I think this was about a month after the baby had died. popped into the room a few times throughout the night, and just from observing him there that night, I can relate to what Mayte says about him in that era. By contrast, the last 5 years or so, he's seemed very different from that person He clearly had changed, and was just more relaxed around people.

I think part of that relaxation was not needing to dress 365/24/7 as "Prince" the way he did back then. He learned to age with grace. He'd have looked silly trying to wear similar custom outfits in his 50s to those he wore during the Mayte era. The black clothes were just casual clothes, perhaps representing his comfort about letting his work be judged on the substance instead of needing a lot of image and razzle/dazzle with it. That's why he was comfortable with just a piano and a mic... let the music do the talking. The black on black looked nice and simple - you act like there's some big difference with wearing a black sweatshirt versus wearing a gray sweatshirt. I think you're reading too much into it.

Were you around from 2000 to 2012 he was wearing custom suits not crazy outfits. His suits were sharp looking even the shirts with just the cufflinks looked taliored and nice.

Aging with grace has nothing to do with your hair being uncombed and your clothes looking sloppy. There is a difference between a black sweather or sweatshirt or even a black dress shirt and that crap he was wearing.

He was even wearing all black when he went to Saint Barts. Who wears black clothing in the carribean?

I know black folk and despite the fact that many fans try disconnect ing P from his culture the being particular about his clothes and look is very distinct for a black person of his generaion

Oh and I will let you know that even killers wear all black when they go out on the streets the all black look has a lot more significance then you know about.

tmo1965 said:

The warrants confirm that he was treated for an OD in Moline. That sad thing is that they offered him treatment for addiction and he refused. If he had accepted that treatment right then, he would more than likely still be here.

But he was already seeing Dr. S

Also, there is little to no mention of Meron. I wonder why? There is a lot of focus on Kirk. That, I can understand, but Meron had almost as much equal access. At least I think she would have.

laurarichardson said:

BanishedBrian said:

A couple points...

I think Prince in 2016 was VERY different from Prince 1995/96 when he was with Mayte. I say that just from observing him, including at concerts. He was very image conscious during his days, and quite standoffish. For example, I attended a dance party at PP Thanksgiving weekend in 1996. I think this was about a month after the baby had died. popped into the room a few times throughout the night, and just from observing him there that night, I can relate to what Mayte says about him in that era. By contrast, the last 5 years or so, he's seemed very different from that person He clearly had changed, and was just more relaxed around people.

I think part of that relaxation was not needing to dress 365/24/7 as "Prince" the way he did back then. He learned to age with grace. He'd have looked silly trying to wear similar custom outfits in his 50s to those he wore during the Mayte era. The black clothes were just casual clothes, perhaps representing his comfort about letting his work be judged on the substance instead of needing a lot of image and razzle/dazzle with it. That's why he was comfortable with just a piano and a mic... let the music do the talking. The black on black looked nice and simple - you act like there's some big difference with wearing a black sweatshirt versus wearing a gray sweatshirt. I think you're reading too much into it.

Were you around from 2000 to 2012 he was wearing custom suits not crazy outfits. His suits were sharp looking even the shirts with just the cufflinks looked taliored and nice.

Aging with grace has nothing to do with your hair being uncombed and your clothes looking sloppy. There is a difference between a black sweather or sweatshirt or even a black dress shirt and that crap he was wearing.

He was even wearing all black when he went to Saint Barts. Who wears black clothing in the carribean?

I know black folk and despite the fact that many fans try disconnect ing P from his culture the being particular about his clothes and look is very distinct for a black person of his generaion

Oh and I will let you know that even killers wear all black when they go out on the streets the all black look has a lot more significance then you know about.

Yes, I was around. The evolution is gradual. I think the Prince of the last 5 years was different than Prince of the ONA/Musicology/LotusFlow3r days, for sure. Just as he went with a more polished, suit look in that era, he went casual in recent years. This was shown in more ways than just his outfits - just check out the nature of his PP concerts during the more recent era, jamming with Mono.

So apparently any black person that decides to wear black on black is now either dying or a killer? LOL So which is Kanye West? And if this is true, can you link to all your pre-death posts where you talk about Prince's upcoming death? Did you ask Prince on Twitter about why he's wearing death outfits? If not, why?

feeluupp said:

Prince's death scene was riddled with pills strewn around his home ... this according to search warrants just released by Minnesota authorities.

According to new docs, law enforcement found Ziploc bags with pills as well as envelopes containing pills.

The docs bear out what TMZ has reported ... Prince's bodyguard was the person who went to a Walgreens pharmacy the day

And, Prince used an alias -- Peter Bravestrong -- and cops found a suitcase with that name that contained pill bottles along with the lyrics for the song, "U Got the Look."

The main doctor who was treating Prince -- Dr. Michael Schulenberg -- admitted to a detective he had prescribed Prince Oxycodone the same day Prince OD'd on a jet -- 6 days before he died. The doctor put the Rx in Prince's bodyguard's name.

Prince would regularly get B12 injections before his concerts to feel better and they were set up through his managers.

And this is interesting ... Prince didn't use a cellphone ... apparently because he was once hacked and didn't trust it. His communications were through emails and landlines.

*Many bottles with Kirky J's name on it.

The pills in the envelopes were found in Kornfeld's (cali Dr's son) backpack.

These included
phenagan (for nausea),
buprophine (sp?)
ativan (anti anxiety)

nalaoxone (save shot in for of a pill)

and possibly more, I'm going from memory of the warrant- these "envelopes" were NOT Prince's

laurarichardson said:

destinyc1 said:

I think one thing we can all agree on is that this didn't have to happen.But,one thing that many will always disagree on is that it started with prince and ended with prince.He just wouldn't or couldn't get out of his own way. Reguardless he was one of a kind he gave of his heart and time.

If he was seeing Dr S for withdrawals that would mean he was getting help. I think he just he wanted to keep working and that was not possible.

Laura i have a few questions 4 u. they said there were pills on and in his clothes.I could be wrong but,doesn't that POSSIBLY mean he was planning on taking more?Was anything ever reported about video tapes of the night of?Peoples coming and going?Will smith said he spoke to him that night and i think he was last seen at 8pm correct?He doesn't have a cellphone so im guessing he had a landline and after they checked records is that how they based the time of death?Correct me if im wrong but,didn't they say he was dead between 8-12 hours before being discovered?Finally you know as well as others that people who have pill addictions can tell you everytype of pill there is with that being said are you of the belief that prince opened the bottle and took out 1 pill that was quote on quote not labeled correctly and didn't know even though the high of the feeling would be like no other compared to other pills he was taking?Also if the one dr had results of prince's blood test did that show fen which means he would of taken fen prior.I guess i just want thought and the truth thank you

laurarichardson said:

The way I feel about the information so far...

Just taking in all these different posts and hearing ALL these different things he was being prescribed under Kirk's name, there is a lot of different forms of medication he is being given which right there is a perfect set up for addictions and OD. I just dont get all these different things being prescirbed, yes all are in a way for PAIN but there is more, what was in he that much pain from, a surgery, that is a huge amount of PAIN to be in and if it was his HIP then did not they say there was a hip surgery years before, its odd that the timeline of that is not even close. If he still was suffering from all that pain why did it seem that it was not really effecting him on stage. I am more in doubt of the actual pain and more about he was hooked on this stuff, and I still believe there was another health issue, and Cancer seems to keep coming up. The man looked very different in 2015 2016, compared to when he popped up on Arsenio with 3rd eye girl, a year or so before.

Also there seems to be a similar time (January 2016) where MAYTE is told that "He was not doing well" and also a phone conversation with Morris Day in January of 2016 that lasted a bit, Morris has confirmed this via Facebook sometime ago that "One day he would tell what they spoke of" for PRINCE to be talking and others being told he was "not well" than something was up. And sorry but if Kirk was getting him this stuff or allowing the stuff to be prescribed to him, whether he was in Pain or sick or whatever, it is criminal now. And for the doctors writing these things under another name, there is something deeply evil about that. OBLIGING someones privacy, sorry, they had to know by the amount of times they wrote stuff that something was up, or if there was no health issue they had to think "Why are you in so much pain". More and more I feel Prince knew that an END was near, I don't buy the fact he did not see it coming, he basically died on that plane, he had to know it was coming. People enabled his addiction to pain medication or cancer medication whatever it was for, they enabled him, which is a better way to say they helped end his life.

laytonian said:

Did no one else not wonder about something? . KJ got Dr S to prescribe Oxy for P in KJ's name on APRIL 14th, the date of the Atlanta concert. . With drugs already in P's travel bag, why another prescription? P admitted to taking 1 or 2 pills before the emergency landing. . . .

and another thing...if KJ KNEW the Rx was for oxycodone, WHY did he tell medical personnel @ the hospital in Moline (read the warrant) that it was "probably percocet?" Hence, TMZ reporting an overdose on PERCOCET. Who leaked this info? The medical team or KJ?! Being "percocet" came out of KJ's mouth, and it was in fact the WRONG name of the pill

nelcp777 said:

Also, there is little to no mention of Meron. I wonder why? There is a lot of focus on Kirk. That, I can understand, but Meron had almost as much equal access. At least I think she would have.

Meron is not mentioned most likely because she cooperated and was interviewed by

the police. You wont see those files.

nelcp777 said:

BanishedBrian said:

rogifan said:

All of this screams "autopsy report." We would not even be discussing these things if we had that report. So let's settle in for the next 29 years and wait ...

rogifan said:

nelcp777 said:

Also, there is little to no mention of Meron. I wonder why? There is a lot of focus on Kirk. That, I can understand, but Meron had almost as much equal access. At least I think she would have.

Someone on Facebook says she and Kirk gave confilicting information of what happened that morning. Of course who knows what her frame of mind was at that point.

Or maybe Kirk was lying.

Well thats obvious when they go looking for him and rig has set in and they have the dr son correct?call 911 and he doesn't know the address of the house.Didnt he end up just saying pp .was there a phone in the elevator?Remember he called it the devil

laurarichardson said:

tmo1965 said:

The warrants confirm that he was treated for an OD in Moline. That sad thing is that they offered him treatment for addiction and he refused. If he had accepted that treatment right then, he would more than likely still be here.

But he was already seeing Dr. S

It appears that Dr. S was treating him for withdrawal symptoms, not for addiction.

rogifan said:

destinyc1 said:

The addiction part isn't surprising dwayne reported that 25 years ago.The meds in other peoples name celebs do it everyday.Pills put in other containers/labeled as something else thats how drug dealers do it.Pills all over the house yes,this is what you would expect in a persons house thats addicted.Take prince's name off the report and put bob smith its still the same except prince was a rich celeb.It all lines up like the others that have died from overdosing.BUT,usually when its a celeb the fans demand the truth and demand arrests be made.So this dr D or whomever the dealer was/is that will prob be the ONLY arrest we hear about i think.Its been a damn year

Yeah because Duane is a credible source.