fortuneandserendipity said:

CandaceS said:

My thoughts on the itemized listing:

Dayum he had a lot of vehicles!!

"Licensing income from Asthmatic Kitty Records" ?!

$121K in insurance premiums just to cover the music ?! But I guess such coverage is essential and worth it.

Over $1.2 million for "security costs" ?!

$8K for "Vault/safe repairs" and another $8K for locksmith charges?

$700 for "Pet expense" ?! For two doves?! Or are there other living pets I'm unaware of?

How the hell did it cost them almost $11K to sell the gold bars?!

$61K medical expenses may look like a lot to some, but its not that hard to run up a bill that size, especially if you don't carry any insurance.

$20K for "social media takedowns" ?! WTF?! P.S. Estate: start releasing things and people won't be posting so much stuff!

Friggin' attorneys and other "professionals" are getting rich off this...SMH but that's what happens when you have a big, complex estate but no estate plan.

I actually expected more vehicles. Or is there a second list I´m not aware of?

What I see is a bus, two old BMWs, three motorcycles (by the way, wasn´t the Graffiti Bridge motorcycle the same as in Purple Rain, just modified? Now I see three motorcycles of which one is the one from Purple Rain and one from B). And the Buick from Under the Cherry Moon.

Where is the Purple Prowler (the Plymouth) ?

Where is the Bentley?

You are talking about this list, right? http://stmedia.startribun...010716.pdf

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And why is the list of songs relatively short? I´m not talking about that first list starting with Emancipation but that second, longer list. Where are most of the songs that we already have heard?

CandaceS said:

"Licensing income from Asthmatic Kitty Records" ?!

Asthmatic Kitty Records is the label owned by Sufjan Stevens. I know he did a cover of Alphabet Street for a Christmas album--but I don't know what this $42 dollars is for.

EddieC said:

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRINCE_ESTATE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The Associated Press is reporting on Bremer Trust's list of assets submitted to Carver County District Court. The article notes some items have not yet been assigned a monetary value. In addition, this Thursday's hearing deals with the determination of heirs, among other matters.

http://www.startribune.com/paisley-park-vs-graceland-how-do-these-royal-museums-compare/409827655/

The Minneapolis Star Tribune has critiqued the Paisley Park tour through a comparison to the Graceland tour, both run by Graceland Holdings LLC.

http://www.startribune.com/prince-s-estate-inventory-filed-in-court/409921405/

The Minneapolis Star Tribune is reporting on the inventory of P's assets by Bremer Trust submitted to Carver County District Court.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

MMJas said:

What does "redacted" mean here? Stuff that is not supposed to be public?

http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/CIOMediaLibrary/Documents/Final-Accounting-Through-11-30-16.pdf

Yes, redacted means exactly what you said above.

Something the Estate doesnt want the public to know.

Thanks. Interesting...

fortuneandserendipity said:

Vee0319 said:

laurarichardson said: -- you're right Laura, an autopsy is not considered an illness. I read autopsies are not funded by the government, nor are they covered by insurance. So the hospital may have ate the cost or sent the bill to the family. As for being in denial, I was in major denial that Prince was gone for a very long time after April 21st. But for me, at this point learning of an illness , will not be as painful or matter because I have had eight months to come to terms with the fact that he is gone.

Speculating about prevaricating about speculating... and so on and so forth. Rinse and repeat and then some more. (I have an image in my head of someone performing endless cartwheels).

It's highly unlikely P was suffering from cancer bc we would have heard something by now. How much longer do you recommend we have to wait? When will weapons of mass destruction finally turn up in Iraq from the saddam era?

Not necessarily. Nobody knew Bowie had cancer, it took everybody by surprise. Also, some cancers are detected at really later stages or take a turn for the worse all of a sudden.

MMJas said:

David had been sick for over a year - I think closer to 15 months - before the terminal diagnosis. He even had lost his hair at one point, but was working on "Blackstar" and the musicians kept his secret.

I need to repost this...

Answer me People....!

Lovejunky said:

Under the Final Accounting we have

Prince Concert Tribute Audio Hard Drive (Value Unknown)

Prince Concert Tribute Official Recording (Value Unknown)

Surely this is not the October Tribute ????

If it is Why does it appear under

Personal Property on Hand for Distribution ?

and if its NOT...

Why does it appear as Personal Property on Hand for Distribution ?

along with 2,290114.98 in CA$H

WHAT is this TRIBUTE CONCERT???

Princes personal Property at the time he left was 2 Million Plus in cash and

Prince recorded a tribute concert ???

WHAT ????????

[Edited 1/7/17 4:02am]

1Sasha said:

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

Not necessarily. Nobody knew Bowie had cancer, it took everybody by surprise. Also, some cancers are detected at really later stages or take a turn for the worse all of a sudden.

--Yesterday, there was an article about David Bowie stating that he found about his cancer only 3 months prior to his death. I am making the assumption that it was in the late stage. Now with better treatments people are living a little longer with cancer and are able to get around better while fighting it.

I watched the BBC Bowie documentary last weekend and I'm telling ya that's not what happened, but you seem to be stuck on the 'P had a terminal illness but he was murdered anyway' narrative. Congrats

On the other hand there is a fair to strong possibility P did commit suicide, which the coroner ruled out.

laurarichardson said:

Lovejunky said:

$61K is one very expensive FLU ?????????

The wording also suggests a "previous Illness" Doesnt it ?

-/It made me so sad years ago I had two surgeries back to back and spent a few weeks in the hospital and that was the amount of my bill. That is major medical expense and I think we know now he was struggling with something in last years. 😰

Yes. Bone pain and opiate addiction/withdrawal.

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

Not necessarily. Nobody knew Bowie had cancer, it took everybody by surprise. Also, some cancers are detected at really later stages or take a turn for the worse all of a sudden.

--Yesterday, there was an article about David Bowie stating that he found about his cancer only 3 months prior to his death. I am making the assumption that it was in the late stage. Now with better treatments people are living a little longer with cancer and are able to get around better while fighting it.

Bowie had cancer for 15 moths. Only three months before his death he found out it was terminal, but he had even undergone chemo treatments, hence the loss of hair. The people who did know were sworn to secrecy and obviously respected his wishes, cause on the day he died me and many others were totally shocked.

fortuneandserendipity said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

It is news now...

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Anyone have any insight or thoughts on the avadavit notice in Carver County? Is this just a notice published in the paper for heir claims and financial claims or is for foreclosure?

Just released:

http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/CIOMediaLibrary/Documents/Affidavit-of-Publication_1.pdf

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I watched the BBC Bowie documentary last weekend and I'm telling ya that's not what happened, but you seem to be stuck on the 'P had a terminal illness but he was murdered anyway' narrative. Congrats

On the other hand there is a fair to strong possibility P did commit suicide, which the coroner ruled out.

--Well you must not have been paying attention or the Guardian got it wrong. He battled cancer for a total of 18 months and found out it was terminal the last 3.

There is no chance that P committed suicide because the coroner ruled it out already if you really think there is a massive conspiracy or that the autorities are so incompetent to not know a suicide you need help. There is mounting evidence that he had an illness beyond joint pain and it did not have to be terminal maybe it just hurt like hell which is much more belivable than this suicide nonsense. I also would like to make clear I don't give a fuck if he was using pain pills if had pain. The concern should be on who got him those pills as I do not know many drug addicts who actually tell people they are going to see their doctor about their health and test run if the are simply just dope addicts. You don't need to go back and forth to a doctor to be told you are on drugs or feeling bad from withdrawals. We are lucky the police are investigation this and not you. [Edited 1/9/17 7:15am]

No you just changed your mind bc you realised you hadn't correctly grasped Bowie's cancer diagnosis/prognosis timeline. Which reminds me, there was nothing in those Robin Williams links you provided earlier, alleging that he'd been walking into walls. What was the point of giving links that didn't back up your argument?

There is no massive conspiracy. On the other hand there's a strong improbability, (looking at the coroner's conclusion from a rational questioning perspective, instead of just buying whatever experts say), that she could know for certain this was an accidental OD and not suicide. (With that said, I'm assuming the veracity of the claim there was enough fentanyl found to kill an elephant). If the level of fentanyl was indeed only slightly above say the human equivalent of LD50, that would increase the probability of accidental OD. Conversely, if the level was way higher and there was no way to tell how many pills he had taken in the recent hours (something noone knows due to varied assortment of batches), then she should have marked the box 'undetermined'. To err on the side of caution she should have marked the box 'undetermined'. (The autopsist's prior expertise was in fentanyl btw, which could potentially facilitate confirmation bias. But I'm ignoring that particular argument).

There were also other drugs allegedly found in his bloodstream, by themselves toxic, that could easily have contributed, a fact that is a daily occurrence in america for that matter - death from multiple prescription drug interactions. Again, lower amounts would reinforce theory of accidental OD, higher amounts suicide.

To look at the bigger picture though, I believe she would have felt pressure to provide closure, to draw a line under it, and maybe she didn't want to have her competency questioned with an indecisive conclusion. That's without direct pressure put on her by the Nelson family, which someone on this thread assumes a strong possiblity.

Nothing worse then or different than having his parasympathetic nervous system messed up from the opiates - which in layman's speak means digestion problems - and possibly liver damage from the paracetamol. You're right to acknowledge it wasn't terminal if that's what you're saying - bc there's no evidence for that degree of illness - but those extra health issues I mentioned would have contributed to depressed mood, instability. The digestive system is the 'second brain'. You can't have a healthy brain if you don't have healthy digestion. And an adectote for that evidence relating to P comes from his very own chef! But if you don't like that evidence you may choose to ignore it, so it fits your belief system and what you want to believe.

803 said:

Also...this is something that I didn't know until recently but sometimes people who have wealth don't carry health insurance. They consider it a waste of money since they have the ability to pay their medical expenses.

I don't see why this should come as a surprise to anyone. Also Prince is the last person who would take out private health insurance. He lived very much in the present.

udo said:

It is news now...

To me all of this fits in perfectly with what little bit we know about Prince's personality. Gold and Land, is very ole skool. Doesn't raise an eyebrow for me. Unless somebody has some tidbit of information, I have zero questions about any of this. All I got to say is good for him, he wasn't gonna go broke.

fortuneandserendipity said:

803 said:

Also...this is something that I didn't know until recently but sometimes people who have wealth don't carry health insurance. They consider it a waste of money since they have the ability to pay their medical expenses.

I don't see why this should come as a surprise to anyone. Also Prince is the last person who would take out private health insurance. He lived very much in the present.

WTF does living in the present have to do with it. He could afford to pay for any doctor bills he had and even if had insurance it does not mean he would not have been stuck with bills.

803 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

As I said, we dont know if this was out-of-pocket medical expenses or it was what P had to pay after insurance paid their part.

Regardless, Moline transferred him to the hospital and he was only there 4 or 5 hours?

$61k is high especially for a small town hospital.

Call me skeptical.

This is just meant as background info... People from the Midwest would know this but people from other areas may not realize that moline is part of a four city area. It isn't a multi million population center but the population of the quad city area (moline, Davenport, rock island, Bettendorf) is 500,000. It is also the home of a major corporation-John Deere.

One can google online the average hospital room rates for each state. I Googled IL, my estimate tripled the highest average for that state. This is the same hospital that was said they couldn't get a private room. Now I know that wasn't wholly true but it also means this wasn't a celebrity circle hospital so their rates wouldn't exceed the average by that much.

fortuneandserendipity said:

803 said:

Also...this is something that I didn't know until recently but sometimes people who have wealth don't carry health insurance. They consider it a waste of money since they have the ability to pay their medical expenses.

I don't see why this should come as a surprise to anyone. Also Prince is the last person who would take out private health insurance. He lived very much in the present.

living in the present has nothing to do with it. He could afford to pay for any doctor bills he had and even if had insurance it does not mean he would not have been stuck with bills.

[Edited 1/9/17 11:13am]