The police is consider homicide because that person/people should have no business give Prince that drug even if that person didn't know that drug contains fentanyl. Drug dealers often get charge with second degree or third degree homicide, if that person overdosed and died on their supply, hardly first because they rarely want their buyer to die, they need them alive for money. But however they knew selling illicit drugs is usually harmful. I am saying this without going to another drug addict/drug dependency debate.

Some people confused some info (I understand since lot of orgers are not from the US and doesn't understand some of the laws here) with just because a typical US coroner's office ruling one way that doesn't mean the police would go by what they ruled. Doesn't work that way. The police can still charge people regardless of how the coroner ruled whether its accurate or mistake or covering up to save the family from public shamed.

here is the link for more information about third degree murder. http://www.twincities.com...ck-market/

sonshine said:

morningsong said:

Poor you. I'm being so mean to you. Shame on me.

You sound like an 8th grader. I digress. This is about the estate. There's another thread about the details surrounding his death. Back on topic: someone above asked about a Cory Simmons blood test. Does anyone have an answer to that?

I got lost on how I'm verbally attacking you by posting facts. Tomato, tomatoe.

Court documents link is on the very first page for those searching out info on Corey.

ladygirl99 said:

This is a great article full of good, clear information. Thank you so much for sharing it!

sonshine said:

ladygirl99 said:

The police is consider homicide because that person/people should have no business give Prince that drug even if that person didn't know that drug contains fentanyl. Drug dealers often get charge with second degree or third degree homicide, if that person overdosed and died on their supply, hardly first because they rarely want their buyer to die, they need them alive for money. But however they knew selling illicit drugs is usually harmful. I am saying this without going to another drug addict/drug dependency debate.

Some people confused some info (I understand since lot of orgers are not from the US and doesn't understand some of the laws here) with just because a typical US coroner's office ruling one way that doesn't mean the police would go by what they ruled. Doesn't work that way. The police can still charge people regardless of how the coroner ruled whether its accurate or mistake or covering up to save the family from public shamed.

here is the link for more information about third degree murder. http://www.twincities.com...ck-market/

This is a great article full of good, clear information. Thank you so much for sharing it!

You welcome!

laytonian said:

laurarichardson said:

"He lived very much in the present." You typed this so we know who has a problem. You think you know what his thougts were!!! Did you know he had Gold bars or how much lint he had in his pockets when he died as well.

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Actually YES, Laura. Anyone who noticed the news story about the armored truck leaving Paisley a few months ago, figured out that P had an especially large amount of *something* hidden.

No wonder P was the only one with the combo to his vault.

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In hindsight, it is interesting that he already hinted at this in his song "The War".

"21st century....it ain´t about the money, it´s about the gold y´all....money just got sold."

I wonder how long he had been collecting gold.

sonshine said:

morningsong said:

The quote says HOMICIDE investigation. I didn't add it myself, it's in the article. and it's the Carver County Sheriff's that I read who didn't have a full time assignment. If you read even just the part of the article I posted the US DEA (federal) is part of the investigation also. Can you show me anything that says they aren't investigating this? If not, then don't waste my time accusing me of anything. I can read quite well thank you very much, as well as thoroughly (when I want to). It sure the heck isn't a suicide investigation that's being covered up with everybody involved being paid off to keep quiet. Which seems like a few people around here keep spewing with extreme intensity without any evidence to their words as backup. Kind of ticks me off.

For those who care to READ then they might be able to understand where some of us are getting our information.

http://bigstory.ap.org/ar...d-fentanyl


http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkroll/2016/08/22/princes-death-from-fentanyl-may-have-been-due-to-counterfeit-generic-drugs/#181eb99f7920

I still believe using the word homicide is over-stating it. Sure it could lead to some sort of charges but not in the sense that some people here think. It's not going to be any sort of pre-meditated, huge case of corruption with sordid details of how some jealous lover took prince out or some unscrupulous record company conspired to take him out, or some evil two-faced associates did him in. Same as now in the end it's all going to be quite sad and unfortunate and there may even be others involved as clueless enablers perhaps, or stupid drug dealers who don't even know what they are peddling to people. Illegal yes. Sinister conspirators no.

Well, the article says : " Under Minnesota law, anyone who gave Prince the fentanyl that killed him could face a potential third-degree murder charge, even if that person did not know the pills contained the drug.".

So, in legal terms, using the word homicide is not overstated or farfetched at all.

But I see that you do acknowledge that some shady drug dealers might have to face the consequences of what they did.

Why do you find the term overstated if the law itself uses a much stronger word by calling it potential third degree murder?

KoolEaze said:

My guess would be post 2008. Many people invested in gold after the financial crash as it never loses value and often doubles or triples in value during recessions.

petalthecat said:

KoolEaze said:

In hindsight, it is interesting that he already hinted at this in his song "The War".

"21st century....it ain´t about the money, it´s about the gold y´all....money just got sold."

I wonder how long he had been collecting gold.

My guess would be post 2008. Many people invested in gold after the financial crash as it never loses value and often doubles or triples in value during recessions.

Someone was saying (was it not on this thread?) that, according to reports in the 1990s, P had run into some financial issues and told an associate to go and dig up the gold in the yard - they ran into some problems because, initially, they couldn't locate it.
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To me, this reinforces (once again) that P 'lived' his lyrics. In the 90s, he was always talking about gold - I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that it was then that it occurred to him to BUY some too!

Back on topic. There has been no mention of the results of any DNA tests other than CarlinQ.

sonshine said

You sound like an 8th grader. I digress. This is about the estate. There's another thread about the details surrounding his death. Back on topic: someone above asked about a Cory Simmons blood test. Does anyone have an answer to that?

KoolEaze said:

Never mind. Like I've said before it's the tendency here of people to SENSATIONALIZE the inforation. People get carried away with it.
Aaaaaanyway, I was looking thru some of the documents that can be found via the links on the firest page of this thread. Wow, just wow. There is soooo much. But what I'm curious about is all the "redacted" stuff. Does that mean it was public at one point and now it's not? How or why do they pick and choose what can be viewed by the public and what can't be? Who makes that decision, and again why? Public is public I don't get it. What harm could come of it all remaining viewable to the public?
[Edited 1/9/17 19:48pm]

sonshine said:

Aaaaaanyway, I was looking thru some of the documents that can be found via the links on the firest page of this thread. Wow, just wow. There is soooo much. But what I'm curious about is all the "redacted" stuff. Does that mean it was public at one point and now it's not? How or why do they pick and choose what can be viewed by the public and what can't be? Who makes that decision, and again why? Public is public I don't get it. What harm could come of it all remaining viewable to the public? [Edited 1/9/17 19:48pm]

Whatever the listed asset redactions are, the Estate doesnt want us to know.

I calculated the redactions to be approximately $3,126.503.00+

On the 1st page, since I couldn't figure out how to post nelcp777's entire breakdown chart, I stated it's location.

laytonian said:

---The truck was discussed but know one on this board thought that gold bars were in that truck. Like I said Prince was five steps ahead of everybody else and we have no idea what he was up to and what was in his mind.

morningsong said:

--It is because you are posting facts. The same facts that have been discussed a thousand times🙄

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

sonshine said:

Aaaaaanyway, I was looking thru some of the documents that can be found via the links on the firest page of this thread. Wow, just wow. There is soooo much. But what I'm curious about is all the "redacted" stuff. Does that mean it was public at one point and now it's not? How or why do they pick and choose what can be viewed by the public and what can't be? Who makes that decision, and again why? Public is public I don't get it. What harm could come of it all remaining viewable to the public? [Edited 1/9/17 19:48pm]

Whatever the listed asset redactions are, the Estate doesnt want us to know.

I calculated the redactions to be approximately $3,126.503.00+

What sort of things could they possibly be? Care to hazard a guess, even???

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

sonshine said:

Aaaaaanyway, I was looking thru some of the documents that can be found via the links on the firest page of this thread. Wow, just wow. There is soooo much. But what I'm curious about is all the "redacted" stuff. Does that mean it was public at one point and now it's not? How or why do they pick and choose what can be viewed by the public and what can't be? Who makes that decision, and again why? Public is public I don't get it. What harm could come of it all remaining viewable to the public? [Edited 1/9/17 19:48pm]

Whatever the listed asset redactions are, the Estate doesnt want us to know.

I calculated the redactions to be approximately $3,126.503.00+

That caught my eye also....

More news about the estate he left:

udo said:

Fair enough. Thanks for posting.

Dibblekins said:

Back at the begining of the probate it was decided that some finacial information would be redacted due to personal and business reasons. ( sometimes business deals are hidden from the public for proprietary reasons the public does not have the right to know private business dealings. I am just glad we do not see debts redacted that would mean that they would be hiding some debt he owed.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

It is a legal newspaper that attorneys, and courts use to give "legal notice" of hearing. It is notice as to the hearing this week. The left side is a certification from the newspaper. It contains general certification language. There are numerous other "legal notices" in this newspaper which includes foreclosure actions which you cannot see because they redacted all the notices next to the Estate Hearing Notice. The foreclosure language is not applicable to P's estate.

nelcp777 said:

Anyone have any insight or thoughts on the avadavit notice in Carver County? Is this just a notice published in the paper for heir claims and financial claims or is for foreclosure?

Just released:

http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/CIOMediaLibrary/Documents/Affidavit-of-Publication_1.pdf

[Edited 1/9/17 14:45pm]

Thank you very much for the information.

morningsong said:

On the 1st page, since I couldn't figure out how to post nelcp777's entire breakdown chart, I stated it's location.

Here is the breakdown chart, with an update to Cousin's claim which was disallowed. I am wondering if the heir/DNA results will be addressed in the hearing on the 12th to clean up some of the mess. I know there are some appeal cases coming up, but do not anticipate them to win their arguement and for the Courts to upheld the non-heir status.

As always, please let me know if I missed anything.

Claims

Date of Claim	Claimant	Details	Status of Claim
04/27/16	Rodney Dixon	$1 ownership of rights	Disallowed by SA 09/16/16 Court judgement against and as frivolous 10/17/16 Appealed judgement on 12/06/16 to Court of Appeals
05/06/16	Maleika Mosley	Hostage crisis	Disallowed by SA 09/16/16
05/11/16	R. Kerr	$46,582.29, Recording cost, post production, equipment rental services for rehearsals and shows at PP from 11/13/14 – 05/16/15	Disallowed by SA 11/11/16
05/11/16	Kimberly Potts	$500,000 for Musicology creation	Disallowed by SA 09/16/16
06/08/16	Eight Day Sound Systems, Catherine Bellante	$256,010.89 services for rehearsals and shows at PP from 11/13/14 – 05/16/15
07/20/16	Maurice Lee Soledad	Handshake agreement and buried remains in Indian Reservation	Excluded as an heir 09/27/16 Heir claim changed to financial creditor
07/22/16	James Brandon	Copyright infringement case in Florida District
08/26/16	Majorie Frazier	$3,000,000.00 Spiritual wife	Disallowed by SA 09/16/16 and 10/28/16
09/07/16	Mixed Blood Theater	$348,258.00 cancellation of anniversary gala by SA	Disallowed by SA 11/11/16
09/14/16	Ricky Baron/Baron Event Planning	$3,000.00 losses due to cancelled event by SA, consulting fees	Disallowed by SA 11/11/16
09/14/16	Ricky Baron/ Jobu Presents LLC	$20,982 Cancelled gala at PP by SA	Disallowed by SA 11/11/16
09/14/16	Ricky Baron/ Make-A-Wish Minnesota	$28,278.00 Cancelled gala at PP by SA	Disallowed by SA 11/11/16
09/16/16	Xavier Powell	TMBGITW claim of helping Kerry Gordon with employment with PP	Disallowed by SA 11/14/16 Court judgement ruled against
09/16/16	Karie Clay	Wanted DNA of Prince, no other details known	Disallowed by SA 09/16/16
10/19/16	Sharon Hughes	$0.005 for each sale of Ice Cream Castles	Disallowed by SA 10/28/16
11/07/16	Roc Nation, Tidal	Various matters in contractual agreements	Closed hearing scheduled for 12/08/16
11/08/16	Lily Alphosis	Beautiful Ones cd/video claim	Disallowed by SA 11/11/16
12/19/16	Patrick Cousins	$599.735.63 unpaid legal services billed prior to 04/01/16	Disallowed by SA 12/20/16

Heir Claims

File Date	Claimant	Details	Status of Claim
05/09/16	Carlin Q. Williams	Inmate child claim	Alternate DNA testing ordered 11/02/16
05/13/16	Brianna & VN Nelson	Duane’s decedents	Excluded as heirs Judged against 10/26/16 Appealed Ordered to undergo DNA testing 11/17/16
06/03/16	Regina Sorenson	Prince was a trustee for Regina, removed from home with Prince by CPS, half sibling	Excluded as heir 09/27/16 and 11/17/16
06/06/16	Norman Yates Carthens	Adopted son claim ($7,000,000.00)
06/10/16	Dr. Roskco A Motes	Half-brother of Prince via Haywood	Excluded as heir 09/27/16 and 11/17/16
06/14/16	April Lashaun Seward	Virginia Nelson sibling	Excluded as heir due to lower priority of sibling/half sibling 09/27/16 and 11/17/16
06/14/16	Martha Samuels	Virginia Nelson sibling	Excluded as heir due to lower priority of sibling/half sibling 09/27/16 and 11/17/16
06/14/16	James Austin Womack	Virginia Nelson sibling	Excluded as heir due to lower priority of sibling/half sibling 09/27/16 and 11/17/16
06/14/16	Priscilla Williams	Virginia Nelson sibling	Excluded as heir due to lower priority of sibling/half sibling 09/27/16 and 11/17/16
06/14/16	Lorraine Huddleston	Virginia Nelson sibling	Excluded as heir due to lower priority of sibling/half sibling 09/27/16 and 11/17/16
06/14/16	Dana Samuels Nettles	Virginia Nelson sibling	Excluded as heir due to lower priority of sibling/half sibling 09/27/16 and 11/17/16
06/14/16	Jonette M Carter	Virginia Nelson sibling	Excluded as heir due to lower priority of sibling/half sibling 09/27/16 and 11/17/16
06/14/16	Michael Samuels	Virginia Nelson sibling	Excluded as heir due to lower priority of sibling/half sibling 09/27/16 and 11/17/16
06/14/16	Nicole White	DNA request, child claim	Excluded as heir 09/27/16 and 11/17/16
06/14/16	Taz Walker	Child claim when Prince was 14: (http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2016/06/14/would--heirs-princes-millions-multiplying/85891872/)
06/17/16	Venita Jackson-Leverette	Half sibling of Prince	Excluded as heir 09/27/16 Appealed decision 09/26/16 and 11/17/16 to Court of Appeals
06/21/16	Michael John Darling/ James Oberstar	Acquaintance claim to be an heir in will	Excluded as heir 09/27/16 and 11/17/16
06/24/16	Elaine Whigham Williams	Sealed
06/24/16	Estabon Bennermon	Son of Prince, Sealed, http://prince.org/msg/7/4...?&pg=1	Excluded due to prior adoption
07/04/16	Clair Boyd/ Clair Nelson	Secret wife of Prince in 2002	Excluded as heir 09/27/16 and 11/17/16 Judged frivolous 10/07/16
07/20/16	Loyal Jimmy Gresham III	Half sibling of Prince via different father	Excluded as heir 09/27/16 Appealed on 09/27/16 and 11/17/16 to Court of Appeals
07/20/16	Orrine Gresham	Half sibling of Prince via different father	Excluded as heir 09/27/16 Appealed on 09/27/16 and 11/17/16 to Court of Appeals
07/20/16	Darcell Gresham Johnston	Half sibling of Prince via different father	Excluded as heir 09/27/16 Appealed on 09/27/16 and 11/17/16 to Court of Appeals
07/20/16	Loya Janel Wilson	Half sibling of Prince via different father	Excluded as heir 09/27/16 Appealed on 09/27/16 and 11/17/16 to Court of Appeals
07/20/16	Mia M Stamper Dragojevich	Documents not legible, child claim	Excluded as heir due to lower priority of sibling/half sibling 09/27/16 and 11/17/16
08/08/16	Anthony M Steman/ Anthony Snow	Genetic results sealed	He claims he is not Prince’s son per article in Santa Monica Observer 08/11/16
09/26/16	Corey Simmons	Duane’s decedents, nephew of Prince	Prima facie evidence challenged by Brianna and VN Ordered on 11/22/16 to undergo DNA testing by 12/15/16
11/17/16	Antonio Dobson Sonja Dobson	Child claim	Rejected by SA for lack of notary and evidence of conception
11/17/16	Ryan Dodge	Child claim	Rejected by SA for lack of notary and evidence of conception
12/02/16	Max Stacey McCormack	Child claim from New Zealand	Approved by SA for DNA testing Notice of deficiency, lack of fee, 12/14/16
12/14/16	Jennifer Jeffers	Unknown	Notice of deficiency, lack of fee

Sealed Decedent Claims

Child	Status of Claim
Child 1	Excluded as heir due to lack of prima facie 09/27/16
Child 2	Excluded as heir due to lack of prima facie 09/27/16
Child 3	Excluded as heir due to lack of prima facie 09/27/16
Child 4	Excluded as heir due to lack of prima facie 09/27/16
Child 5	Excluded as heir due to lack of prima facie 09/27/16

Non-Excluded Heirs

Name	Relationship	Status of Heir
Tyka Nelson	Sibling	Order to undergo DNA testing 11/17/16
Omarr Baker	Half sibling	Order to undergo DNA testing 11/17/16
John Nelson	Half sibling	Order to undergo DNA testing 11/17/16
Norrine Nelson	Half sibling	Order to undergo DNA testing 11/17/16
Sharon Nelson	Half sibling	Order to undergo DNA testing 11/17/16
Alfred Jackson	Half sibling	Order to undergo DNA testing 11/17/16

nelcp777 said:

Who's Jennifer Jeffers? That's a new one to me.

petalthecat said:

KoolEaze said:

In hindsight, it is interesting that he already hinted at this in his song "The War".

"21st century....it ain´t about the money, it´s about the gold y´all....money just got sold."

I wonder how long he had been collecting gold.

My guess would be post 2008. Many people invested in gold after the financial crash as it never loses value and often doubles or triples in value during recessions.

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Actually, gold has lost 1/3 of its value since it soared high after 2008. It's a volatile investment.

I'm wondering if he was paid in cash or gold bars for overseas appearances; you could bring that into the country easily via private planes and not face the tax man.

Prince was very crafty.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

sonshine said:

Aaaaaanyway, I was looking thru some of the documents that can be found via the links on the firest page of this thread. Wow, just wow. There is soooo much. But what I'm curious about is all the "redacted" stuff. Does that mean it was public at one point and now it's not? How or why do they pick and choose what can be viewed by the public and what can't be? Who makes that decision, and again why? Public is public I don't get it. What harm could come of it all remaining viewable to the public? [Edited 1/9/17 19:48pm]

Whatever the listed asset redactions are, the Estate doesnt want us to know.

I calculated the redactions to be approximately $3,126.503.00+

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This is only a guess: trusts.

laytonian said:

I have said before he may have been dealing with cash for transactions. Other websites are saying the exact opposite of what you stayed about Gold value over the last few years.

laytonian said:

A trust does not have to go through a probate court so I am not sure what these assets are.

laurarichardson said:

laytonian said:

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This is only a guess: trusts.

A trust does not have to go through a probate court so I am not sure what these assets are.

That depends.

There are always "if's" in law.

It depends on the wording of the Trust, and how the Trust is to be dispersed.

laurarichardson said:

laytonian said:

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Actually, gold has lost 1/3 of its value since it soared high after 2008. It's a volatile investment.

I'm wondering if he was paid in cash or gold bars for overseas appearances; you could bring that into the country easily via private planes and not face the tax man.

Prince was very crafty.

I have said before he may have been dealing with cash for transactions. Other websites are saying the exact opposite of what you stayed about Gold value over the last few years.

Here ya go...2000-present:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

laytonian said: A trust does not have to go through a probate court so I am not sure what these assets are.

That depends.

There are always "if's" in law.

It depends on the wording of the Trust, and how the Trust is to be dispersed.

My understanding and correct me if I am wrong is that a trust is a means for moving money from the Estate. I would think that if the money was moved into a trust before he passed that it would not be listed as a asset and the tax burden would be lowered.

Maybe these redacted assests are from recent deals. Apparently, Breamer has some deal they are working with the Streaming services to get the music on those plateforms before the Grammies.

Perhaps some upfront money was a part of the deal. I cannot think of any other deals that would add money and be hush hush.

If I saw a debt that was redacted I would be more concerned like some debt was being paid out that is secrect. I see an assest as being some proprietary information that some company has requested be redacted.

However we never found out what the work product was and if Tyka did give two protential heir names to the court althought would something like that would be debts if there are trust for children.

CandaceS said:

laurarichardson said:

laytonian said: I have said before he may have been dealing with cash for transactions. Other websites are saying the exact opposite of what you stayed about Gold value over the last few years.

Here ya go...2000-present:

Okay what is the problem if he brought it anytime in the last 17 years he still made out good.

See article below.

"It's unclear when Prince bought the gold, but the price of the asset rose from less than $300 an ounce in 2000 to more than $1,800 an ounce in 2011 before pulling back to its current price of $1,180 an ounce on Monday."

http://www.businessinsider.com/prince-didnt-own-stock-had-800000-in-gold-bars-2017-1?r=UK&IR=T