U forgot to mention " The Many Faces of Prince" 3 CD release.....control your hatred and laughter

skipthecharades said:

Dutch webshop bol.com pre-order price is € 19,99.
Now that's a appropriate price
Available the 25th by the way..
And also says it's remastered.
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NorthC said:

skipthecharades said:

Dutch webshop bol.com pre-order price is € 19,99.
Now that's a appropriate price
Available the 25th by the way..
And also says it's remastered.
[Edited 10/22/16 11:36am]

And you know what pisses me off about that? Transportation is free of charge from... € 20! That's why I go to my local record store!

I don't think I will buy 4ever, it's a joke to only include one unreleased song. Im glad its at least Moonbeam levels. But I will definitely buy PR Deluxe next year

And of course true to form.... all of them will choose today of all day to make such announcement... Hopefully people stay faithful to Prince instated of them....
WB, why didn't you release the deluxe box awhile Prince was alive? What, you knew what was coming? Prince did tweet about it, he mentioned all was turn in but you WB were the ones withholding its publishing for a reason.... May be now, just maybe, we understand why....

The same with the "tell all book" by ex the backup dancer, which was due on Dec 2105, yet it was pushed for a later released (it seems April 2107 now)..... Hmm, interesting...

Mumio said:

Noodled24 said:

Yeah it's funny how agreeable he suddenly seemed to become... after he passed.

Oh ffs The man knew what was happening, yet people are constantly throwing shade on what may very well have been his decisions. Neither of you know one way or the other.

It isE hard to conceive this as a compilation of Love Songs as some of these are so faraway from love songs. It is great to see these as a collective but most people, at least us here have them 3-4 times over. Except for Moonbeams whichElvis Costello tried as he might give it justice at the Carnegie Hall Celebration what 2 years back?!That would be a great throw in if a good copy is available(Questlove?) Even 1000's Hugs and Kisses ,the last new hit from him( in terms of air play etc wasn't included. He gave us so many songs it's hard to package and repackage as they hit people so many different ways. So they go by the official releases and then airplay or fan favorites and still the science misses, songs like The Morning Papers,Do Me baby, And God Created Woman, some songs that would give the not fully initiated an entre into Prince's gifts.the NPG, Revolution and all his bands have and will have a hand in some of the musical decisions.It is hard to pick, I wonderif folk from his circle were consulted and I dont mean Tyka or Londell, as importantnow and then as they are in the big picture, I would rather have had known if his key collaborators, such as they were involved Sheila E of course, Nelson Hayes, Renato, If able John Blackwell,Idna and Donna, Wendy and Lisa and lastly Joshua and Cora. These people were key parts of his musical family either directly in studio or live and or both. They more than anyone would know what he was thinking when the tracks went down and were archived and could help Tyka and Londell when working with Warners upon the next offerings/ compilations sets from this prolific artist what would make the most sense , in termsof timing, sound and whatever. We will never know how exactly this prolific genius would have really wanted to do this and in fact he changed his mind too so often his own desires were as mercurial as he was. But in terms of giving the new and the faithful somethings new and different all at the same time, these peoples input could help to acheive that ,give the the entire Prince family somethings to look forward to purchase and so on.

Alexandernvrmind said:

Dibblekins said:

I think there are two main reasons why fans might focus on sales (of this product):

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1) As has already been said, if it sells poorly, that might give those in charge of releasing his material pause for thought in that they might start seeing the whole process as not worth their while:
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2) We kind of see sales and 'popularity' as more people becoming aware of our beloved Prince. The more he sells, the more 'justified' we are in our passion for him;, sales give concrete 'evidence' to others, less discerning than ourselves, that he is still (and always has been) an amazing musician; high sales volumes legitimise (in the eyes of the masses) our claim that he is the best artist in the world - ever!
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I suppose, in short, people on here just want the BEST for 'our man'. He deserves it.

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Well said. Good job

Thanks. According to Databank, above, the second reason is 'pathetic'; well, pathetic it may be, but I think the desire for approval, no matter how illogical / 'juvenile' it might be, is something that does tend to be in-built - even if we deny or seek to suppress it.

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There is, for many of us, a visceral sense of joy when we see / hear those we love (even our favourite musicians) getting recognition and praise, even if that comes in the rather 'base' form of record sales!
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In addition, Databank is very much mistaken when he (I am assuming it's a 'he') says this: ' We're the only fans community in the world who's obsessed by their favorite artist's sales'.
I am also a member of a Van Halen forum. Believe me, this site has nothing on that one when it comes to dissecting record sales. And over there, you have two distinct camps: the David Lee Roth fans, and the Sammy Hagar fans - both of whom spend a considerable amount of energy and time arguing over the respective era's record sales - ad nauseam, lmao!!!

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I can't believe he approved the cover photo since he seemed to have left that era behind. I do love the pic, though.

jstar69 said:

Wow, P approved this track list - head & sexy mf - very interesting

Wonder which version of Sexy MF. If it's the original clean edit, then it's not surprising.

If it's the uncensored version, then that would be a shock. Even more of a shocker if it's the updated version, which was played on the PA at one of the Indigo shows in '07. That is unlikely but would be another reason to buy the set.

I find myself agreeing with the comments about hoping for Edit versions in the cases where they have not been released yet on CD. So, I did some research on what is already on THTBS/TVBOP/UP & CD singles compared to the listings at Prince Vault. With that in mind I'm hoping some of these are included:

2. Little Red Corvette - Single Edit
4. Let's Go Crazy - Single Edit
14. Let's Work - Single Edit
17. Take Me With U - Single Edit
18. Paisley Park - Video Edit

20. Purple Rain - Single Edit or Single Edit Long Version or Radio Edit or Promo 7" Edit or Long Radio Edit
23. Alphabet Street - Single Edit and Single Edit Cont.
24. Batdance - Single Edit or Promo Edit or The Batmix Edit or Vicki Vale Mix Edit
28. Girls & Boys - Single Edit
32. Glam Slam - Single Edit or LP Version Promo Edit or Nothing Compares 2 Him Promo Edit

Dibblekins said:

Thanks. According to Databank, above, the second reason is 'pathetic'; well, pathetic it may be, but I think the desire for approval, no matter how illogical / 'juvenile' it might be, is something that does tend to be in-built - even if we deny or seek to suppress it.

There is, for many of us, a visceral sense of joy when we see / hear those we love (even our favourite musicians) getting recognition and praise, even if that comes in the rather 'base' form of record sales!

The word "pathetic" may have hit a nerve, but databank makes a good point. Compare how many copies of Artificial Age sold to whatever Justin Beiber album came out closest to it. I'm not going to bother looking it up but my guess is Justin way outsold Artificial Age. Does that make Justin's album better? Not even close!

Sales and Billboard charts do not reflect quality or talent. By those kinds of standards Jimi Hendrix was a one hit wonder.

Then there's the whole thing about validation. It would be kind of pathetic if we required sales charts or universal opinion to validate our own feelings and opinions of Prince's music. No?

I mean, "desire for approval" is indeed "juvenile" and most of us mature past it.

The only thing relevent concerning how many copies sell is how those numbers affect the decisions concerning future releases. Other than that it means nothing and should have zero effect on the fans.

In my not-so-humble opinion, of course...

djThunderfunk said:

Dibblekins said:

Thanks. According to Databank, above, the second reason is 'pathetic'; well, pathetic it may be, but I think the desire for approval, no matter how illogical / 'juvenile' it might be, is something that does tend to be in-built - even if we deny or seek to suppress it.

There is, for many of us, a visceral sense of joy when we see / hear those we love (even our favourite musicians) getting recognition and praise, even if that comes in the rather 'base' form of record sales!

The word "pathetic" may have hit a nerve, but databank makes a good point. Compare how many copies of Artificial Age sold to whatever Justin Beiber album came out closest to it. I'm not going to bother looking it up but my guess is Justin way outsold Artificial Age. Does that make Justin's album better? Not even close!

Sales and Billboard charts do not reflect quality or talent. By those kinds of standards Jimi Hendrix was a one hit wonder.

Then there's the whole thing about validation. It would be kind of pathetic if we required sales charts or universal opinion to validate our own feelings and opinions of Prince's music. No?

I mean, "desire for approval" is indeed "juvenile" and most of us mature past it.

The only thing relevent concerning how many copies sell is how those numbers affect the decisions concerning future releases. Other than that it means nothing and should have zero effect on the fans.

In my not-so-humble opinion, of course...

There would still be a sense of sheer delight if we could hear one of his great but less known songs - outside of the over-played MBGITW - when turning the radio on and if one way to do that was to make him enter the charts, then what the heck, it's not going to hurt anyone either is it? Prince himself seemed to attribute some importance to recognition and even sometimes put his fans under the spotlight by inviting them onstage to dance with him, why not do the same for him by ensuring he continues to be under that well deserved spotlight. When you have a beautiful artwork in your possession, you don't just hide it in the garage do you?

databank said:

gandorb said:

Since getting the news about the new hits compilation, I've tried to take off my avid Prince fan cap and understand why they thought this might sell. A few thoughts: The primary ideA is that the CD will be aimed at Christmas shoppers. The only time of year that physical CDs sell well is during the Christmas season. You can wrap a CD as a present, not so much a download except an itunes cards. Adele and T. Swift sold enormous amount of physical CDs of their new releases in recent holiday seasons. To do this, you need something new that can be promoted and get that rare for CDs excellent product placement in the stores. There is no way an old CD gets this, and people other than avid fans rarely buy 3 CD compilations. Moreover, it would still be a good gift for the casual fan who has the Very Best of CD, as it gives them 24 additional songs! While I still wish for a more creative collection, it is possible that they made a decent decision in terms of Christmas album sales.

This board was insanely obsessed with sales back when Prince was alive, to the point that when a new record was released you had more threads about sales and marketing strategies than about the music. Honestly, you'd have thought that this was a board for shareholders of NPG Records or something, not fans! And indeed you'd read some fans moaning about poor marketing moves or poor sales as if their money was in jeopardy!

I do not know what it says about our times, that fans of an artist will be more interested in their sales and charts position than in their music and lyrics, because it certainly wasn't a very important topic of conversation back when I became a Prince fan, or even 10 years ago on the Org, but I find it very sad.

Now that Prince is gone I wish we'd get away from those petty concerns, and get focused again on the reason why we're here: the music. God, why in the world would we care why WB releases a fourth GH package or whether or not it'll sell?! The only thing that should matter to us is the inclusion of Moonbeam Levels, which version of it, and the inclusion of some never released on CD or digitally before 7" edits. Maybe also the whole tracklist, of what it says and what it's worth as a testimony of Prince's work for general audiences. But fucking sales?

MIRvmn said:

CherryMoon57 said:

There would still be a sense of sheer delight if we could hear one of his great but less known songs - outside of the over-played MBGITW - when turning the radio on and if one way to do that was to make him enter the charts, then what the heck, it's not going to hurt anyone either is it? Prince himself seemed to attribute some importance to recognition and even sometimes put his fans under the spotlight by inviting them onstage to dance with him, why not do the same for him by ensuring he continues to be under that well deserved spotlight. When you have a beautiful artwork in your possession, you don't just hide it in the garage do you?

Well, I will be doing my part. I have every release and Moonbeam on many bootlegs so most people I know would laugh at me for dropping $20+ on a greatest hits package. But I do want to support Prince releases and continue to have every release so I will be buying it anyway.

That's not really the point though. The point is that how well a Prince album sells should have zero effect on a fan's opinion of that album. Sales and popularity should be irrelevent to us all.

3rdeyeboy said:

rap said:

I would take Londell's word over yours.

If you looked at history, I'd say Bart's comments were 99% more accurate than Londell's. Politeness doesn't breed truth.

that's your opinion

Overall it's great news. To me it means the ball is rolling. Honestly did anyone not see a "Greatest Hits" package being released 1st? Sure us diehards scratch ours heads but you had to see it coming. It's not like they are doing this for our benefit. Some are treating this like a slam to the fans when really it's just business.

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I'm just thrilled we finally get Moonbeam Levels and PR Deluxe. I just hope any of this unreleased stuff are the full length versions. A shortened edit would kinda suck. That my biggest worry with any of the unreleased stuff.

djThunderfunk said:

Dibblekins said:

Thanks. According to Databank, above, the second reason is 'pathetic'; well, pathetic it may be, but I think the desire for approval, no matter how illogical / 'juvenile' it might be, is something that does tend to be in-built - even if we deny or seek to suppress it.

There is, for many of us, a visceral sense of joy when we see / hear those we love (even our favourite musicians) getting recognition and praise, even if that comes in the rather 'base' form of record sales!

The word "pathetic" may have hit a nerve, but databank makes a good point. Compare how many copies of Artificial Age sold to whatever Justin Beiber album came out closest to it. I'm not going to bother looking it up but my guess is Justin way outsold Artificial Age. Does that make Justin's album better? Not even close!

Sales and Billboard charts do not reflect quality or talent. By those kinds of standards Jimi Hendrix was a one hit wonder.

Then there's the whole thing about validation. It would be kind of pathetic if we required sales charts or universal opinion to validate our own feelings and opinions of Prince's music. No?

I mean, "desire for approval" is indeed "juvenile" and most of us mature past it.

The only thing relevent concerning how many copies sell is how those numbers affect the decisions concerning future releases. Other than that it means nothing and should have zero effect on the fans.

In my not-so-humble opinion, of course...

I think you misunderstand me: no, I'm not a 'silly / pathetic' litte teenager desperate for approval. I don't buy things / listen to music just because it's popular with the masses or has sold a lot of copies, no.

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However, what I am trying to say - perhaps not clearly enough - is that even though we prefer Prince to Justin Bieber (or whoever) and believe his music to be superior, it still gives some of us a real sense of pleasure to see him at the top of the charts where he belongs.

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We are happy and content with our own personal musical choices, of course, irrespective of mainstream success. However, when it happens - because he / it has been marketed correctly, and is given the chance to be enjoyed by many more people, well, I for one, get a real thrill and sense of righteous satisfaction ('validation', if you will) from that. I don't think it makes me pathetic - it makes me human; a human being proud of Prince's achievements.
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Incidentally, if you study human evolution, the 'desire for aproval' is an essential one, developed in the main, to ensure survival. We're basically social creatures, who tend to thrive in a 'pack'. In days gone by, deliberately snubbing one's nose at the pack usually meant one would get eaten.

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That's not to say we haven't evolved from that point, or that we can't be individuals - of course not - we have highly developed brains, emotions, and can make personal choices derived from those. However, to completely and totally dismiss the idea of our tending to seek 'validation', no matter how immature or regressive it may appear is actually rather naive and not one based on good science.

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'In my not-so-humble opinion, of course'.
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I'm going to buy it and I am going to buy some for gifts.

cloveringold85 said:

banishedones666 said:

Source : DrFunkenberry.com

NPG RECORDS & WARNER BROS. RECORDS ANNOUNCE TWO NEW PRINCE RELEASES, BOTH WITH PREVIOUSLY UNRELEASED MUSIC FROM THE VAULT

GREATEST HITS COLLECTION PRINCE 4EVER ARRIVES ON NOVEMBER 22

REMASTERED, DELUXE VERSION OF PURPLE RAIN DUE IN EARLY 2017

October 21, 2016 (Burbank, CA) - Today, NPG Records and Warner Bros. Records announced two new Prince releases that will celebrate the iconic artist's music and introduce fans to previously unreleased material from his legendary vault. This will mark the first Prince recordings released since his passing on April 21^st of this year.

Released on November 22^nd in the U.S. and November 25^th around the world, Prince 4Ever will bring together 40 of Prince's best-loved songs, including the blockbuster hits "When Doves Cry," "Let's Go Crazy," "Kiss," "Little Red Corvette," "Purple Rain," "Raspberry Beret," "Sign O' The Times," "Alphabet Street," "Batdance," "Cream," and "The Most Beautiful Girl in the World."

Prince 4Ever includes "Moonbeam Levels" - a previously unreleased song originally recorded in 1982 during the 1999 sessions and later considered for the never released Rave Unto The Joy Fantastic album. Prince 4Ever will also arrive with a 12-page booklet of never-before-seen photos by acclaimed photographer Herb Ritts.

In addition, early next year will see the release of the much-anticipated remastered, deluxe version ofPurple Rain, plans for which were agreed with Prince before he passed away. The remaster of the classic Purple Rain will arrive with a second album of previously unreleased material. More details will be revealed closer to the release date.

The track-listing for Prince 4Ever is as follows:

1. 1999
2. Little Red Corvette
3. When Doves Cry
4. Let's Go Crazy
5. Raspberry Beret
6. I Wanna Be Your Lover
7. Soft and Wet
8. Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad
9. Uptown
10. When You Were Mine
11. Head
12. Gotta Stop (Messin' About)
13. Controversy
14. Let's Work
15. Delirious
16. I Would Die 4 U
17. Take Me With U
18. Paisley Park
19. Pop Life
20. Purple Rain
21. Kiss
22. Sign 'O' The Times
23. Alphabet Street
24. Batdance
25. Thieves In The Temple
26. Cream
27. Mountains
28. Girls & Boys
29. If I Was Your Girlfriend
30. U Got The Look
31. I Could Never Take The Place of Your Man
32. Glam Slam
33. Moonbeam Levels
34. Diamonds and Pearls
35. Gett Off
36. Sexy MF
37. My Name Is Prince
38. 7
39. Peach
40. Nothing Compares 2 U

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I'm not feeling that album cover. Why did they use such an outdated picture? It just seems dark, to me. That picture was taken probably in the mid-late 90s, and Prince has changed so much since then.

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I'm not sure I will be supporting this album, unfortunately.

The picture was taken a few years ago.. during the Welcome 2 America tours.

Dibblekins said:

I think you misunderstand me: no, I'm not a 'silly / pathetic' litte teenager desperate for approval. I don't buy things / listen to music just because it's popular with the masses or has sold a lot of copies, no.

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However, what I am trying to say - perhaps not clearly enough - is that even though we prefer Prince to Justin Bieber (or whoever) and believe his music to be superior, it still gives some of us a real sense of pleasure to see him at the top of the charts where he belongs.

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We are happy and content with our own personal musical choices, of course, irrespective of mainstream success. However, when it happens - because he / it has been marketed correctly, and is given the chance to be enjoyed by many more people, well, I for one, get a real thrill and sense of righteous satisfaction ('validation', if you will) from that. I don't think it makes me pathetic - it makes me human; a human being proud of Prince's achievements.
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Incidentally, if you study human evolution, the 'desire for aproval' is an essential one, developed in the main, to ensure survival. We're basically social creatures, who tend to thrive in a 'pack'. In days gone by, deliberately snubbing one's nose at the pack usually meant one would get eaten.

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That's not to say we haven't evolved from that point, or that we can't be individuals - of course not - we have highly developed brains, emotions, and can make personal choices derived from those. However, to completely and totally dismiss the idea of our tending to seek 'validation', no matter how immature or regressive it may appear is actually rather naive and not one based on good science.

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'In my not-so-humble opinion, of course'.
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I don't disagree that it would indeed be a cool thing for a Prince release to be a "hit" again.

One issue that databank mentioned that some newer orgers probably aren't aware of is with the last several albums Prince released there were way too many threads on the org that indicated so many people were more concerned with sales & charts than the music on the albums. Some of us that have been here awhile may be a bit defensive against that kind of focus and some of those that joined the org this year may not be aware of the ongoing debate on the topic.

Unfortunately a segment of our society judges how good art is by how much money it makes. That segment sucks.
I agree though that it is nice when good art makes good money but I get zero pleasure from having a popular opinion.

Just sayin'...

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djThunderfunk said:

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I don't disagree that it would indeed be a cool thing for a Prince release to be a "hit" again.

One issue that databank mentioned that some newer orgers probably aren't aware of is with the last several albums Prince released there were way too many threads on the org that indicated so many people were more concerned with sales & charts than the music on the albums. Some of us that have been here awhile may be a bit defensive against that kind of focus and some of those that joined the org this year may not be aware of the ongoing debate on the topic.

Unfortunately a segment of our society judges how good art is by how much money it makes. That segment sucks.
I agree though that it is nice when good art makes good money but I get zero pleasure from having a popular opinion.

Just sayin'...

[Edited 10/22/16 18:27pm]

I'm happy to admit that I am relatively new to Prince.org, yes. However, I'm not new to music forums per se. If you saw my earlier post about being a member of a Van Halen site, you'd appreciate that the focus on sales as an argument for evidencing 'good art' is something with which I am all too familiar, and often rail against (having a preference for Sam Hagar-era VH rather than DLR - the former having sold 'fewer' records, lol)!

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As I say, Prince being marketed effectively, selling gazillions, and becoming 'popular' again won't change MY perception of him or his brilliance one iota. It will, however, give me that frisson of pride and satisfaction - it is that to which I was referring when I commented on the significance of record sales to many fans.

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We (and I am one) would be like a proud parent at a sports day at which my child is victorious! I knew all along how amazing he was, of course: but now others are forced to recognise it too! Of course, good manners will dictate I be self-effacing about it all...

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Alexandernvrmind said:

A few small edits to this playlist. 1999 Little Red Corvette Something in the water Lady Cab Driver When Doves Cry Let's Go Crazy 17 Days Raspberry Beret I Wanna Be Your Lover Soft and Wet Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad When U were mine Head Cool Controversy Let's Work I Would Die 4 U Baby I'm a star Take Me With U Paisley Park Pop Life She's Always in my hair Girl Sign 'O' The Times Alphabet Street The Ballad of Dorthy Parker Joy in Repetition Alphabet Street Question of U Cream Mountains Girls & Boys Another Lover HONYO Head Alexa De Paris Pink Cashmere Glam Slam Moonbeam Levels When 2 R N Luv Sexy MF Insatiable The morning papers Love 2 the 9s Adore

i'd love that! it would certainly introduce very casual fans or non-fans to a lot of great
songs that they'd never heard on the radio and make them dig deeper into his catalogue.

IstenSzek said:

Alexandernvrmind said:

A few small edits to this playlist. 1999 Little Red Corvette Something in the water Lady Cab Driver When Doves Cry Let's Go Crazy 17 Days Raspberry Beret I Wanna Be Your Lover Soft and Wet Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad When U were mine Head Cool Controversy Let's Work I Would Die 4 U Baby I'm a star Take Me With U Paisley Park Pop Life She's Always in my hair Girl Sign 'O' The Times Alphabet Street The Ballad of Dorthy Parker Joy in Repetition Alphabet Street Question of U Cream Mountains Girls & Boys Another Lover HONYO Head Alexa De Paris Pink Cashmere Glam Slam Moonbeam Levels When 2 R N Luv Sexy MF Insatiable The morning papers Love 2 the 9s Adore

i'd love that! it would certainly introduce very casual fans or non-fans to a lot of great
songs that they'd never heard on the radio and make them dig deeper into his catalogue.

Well The Rolling Stones had/has a second double album of other hits, More Hot Rocks

Iamtheorg said:

IstenSzek said:

i'd love that! it would certainly introduce very casual fans or non-fans to a lot of great
songs that they'd never heard on the radio and make them dig deeper into his catalogue.

Well The Rolling Stones had/has a second double album of other hits, More Hot Rocks

on the other end of the spectrum there's New Order, who have more hits packages
than actual albums, all including roughly the same songs, in various formats. with
the irony being that the first one, "substance" is still the most comprehensive and
the best. kind of like prince's "hits/bsides"

but i guess there's a market for hits packages in any climate and any age, hence all
those New Order compilations. i think they had a new one this year i recall
seeing a post from them on facebook about it and 90% of the comments were "no!!
not another hits album, what is this, the 25th or something?"

DiamondsnPearls44 said: