leadline said:

lwr001 said:

2013 Grammy

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and here he is from the same show looking absolutely fine....your point? Mine is that you can find any frame from anywhere with the right shadow and light that makes someone look bad.

i agree with you , he looked normal and princey in those photos,.,,i dont know who that other guy is in the second pic

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1Sasha said:

Two days after he died, I heard it was thought it was more than likely he passed on April 20, not the 21st. The clothing he had on and the stash of pills were being discussed as well. Later on, these same people were leaning toward a deliberate overdose but I have not been able to accept that line of thinking. The big issue was the fact that no one was at PP with him. No security, no bodyguard, no assistant.

I can not get over that either. Even Howard Hughes and Orson Welles in Citizen Kane died with people somewhere on teh grounds. Prince in that gigantic building and a not a soul around dying alone--God that is heartbreaking and also seems unlikely considering the security risk for a place like that.

leadline said:

lwr001 said:

Do we have to pick him apart with the pictures & everything? It will never end will it? Always now every picture, every performance will be picked apart for 'clues' that were missed at the time. This is too much now.

I don't believe that this is new information that was "leaked" to the Star-Tribune.

Thursday's USA Today Weekend edition had a two page spread on the "Mysteries" surrounding Prince's death. To me it seems like they are leading the public on to a bigger "splash" later.

Couple of points I need to make since we are reporting sources.

1. TMZ reported in May that the DEA nor Carver County had recovered any prescriptions that were not under Prince's name. The DEA had not recovered anything in a national/international search either.

My professional opinion is that they are trying to track down the source of the pills and they have not been able to come up with anything BUT......

2. This information was KNOWN on June 5 when they released the autopsy report.

WHY did they just wait to release this information? This is a key point to my original points to a smear campaign taking place and some hint at something not right. This is not a OD here. You don't find ODs in elevators .The fact that this information was out there in Apr/May/June and it was released yesterday is screaming at me that something very abnormal has taken place. Several sources stated that he was dead for six hours before he was found. Will Smith stated he talked with Prince that evening before he was dropped off. I am still of the belief that he was sick but there are things just not right here.

rogifan said:

leadline said:

If you want to spin everything in the direction of him being dependent on drugs regardless of anything else, that is fine, and honestly, that is how mainstream media spun it, so it is logical, but unfortunate, that most folks will simply fall in line with that.

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It's nonsense. Especially considering the change in appearance was only noticeable from late 2014 onwards. Prior to that he looked totally normal and healthy. Sure sometimes skinnier than others but nothing that would indicate drug use. And more than anything else, nothing in his demeanor that would indicate it. But we're supposed to believe he had drug dependency for decades yet never any health scare, never OD'd up until April 2016? I'm sorry that doesn't pass the smell test.

so, a dependeency that starts in 2014 and not 20 years ago is better to you ,,teh end result was what

jumanji2016 said:

lwr001 said:

2013 Grammy

The top pic is NOT from the 2013 Grammys. I believe it is from the 2010 Grammys. He went natural with his hair in 2012.

no the top pic is from 2013 grammy's, feb 10th to be exact, he went natural further into 2013.

Purplealegria7 said:

jumanji2016 said:

lwr001 said:

2013 Grammy

The top pic is NOT from the 2013 Grammys. I believe it is from the 2010 Grammys. He went natural with his hair in 2012.

wrong its fromj 2013 when he presntted gyote SOY He looked amazing ,,vibrant and not in distress..if you all want to sit here and go back and forth over the dichotomy of those twp ics and blame lighting, then you all need to step away from the org as the truth willbe forever ellusive to you

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LuxLove said:

Do we have to pick him apart with the pictures & everything? It will never end will it? Always now every picture, every performance will be picked apart for 'clues' that were missed at the time. This is too much now.

I agree its nuts, folks keep taking a single unflattering frame and pushing their drug narrative on it. It's perplexing.

flyscdiva said:

roxy831 said:

Okay, so now the picture in my mind is far more disturbing than just him being alone....in an elevator Now the image is his body and mind is so in shock he couldn't put his clothes on fast enough or correctly so he could get help!!! And I was just starting to come to terms with his passing. This s%^& is for the birds, really.

That s excatly the image I got.That he realized something was wrong and was getting confused and disoriented maybe even panicking,rushed to get dressed to get help and the drugs overpowered him in the elevator. ALONE. I read this thread right before bed and got so upset I just ended my computer time and went to bed only to keep waking up and thinking about him Lord,Iam praying this is not true.That it's just more sensationalizing gossip about when they found him.

This shit is pissing me off with all the twists and turns new discoveries etc. More and more I am feeling like we really are never going to get over this. Especially us who have rode with him through all the highs and lows since 1978.It feels like a part of the family is gone.That is pissing me off too. I hate the fact that a childhood celebrity crush passing way is having such an effect on me. I NEVER saw this coming.People die everyday and I certainly know he was going to die someday too. This right here.....this right here....is cutting deep. Iam forever heartbroken at the way he had to leave us. Poor poor P Shit......POOR US...

I feel ya flyscdiva. I don't EVER want to grieve like this again. Never in my life, even for people I'm related to, have I ever felt punched in the gut like this. And for the effects to last sooooooooooooooooo long!!!! Damn!!! We'll just pray all this gets resolved soon because the visuals are tearing me apart. Much love to ya.

lwr001 said:

leadline said:

LuxLove said:

Do we have to pick him apart with the pictures & everything? It will never end will it? Always now every picture, every performance will be picked apart for 'clues' that were missed at the time. This is too much now.

I agree its nuts, folks keep taking a single unflattering frame and pushing their drug narrative on it. It's perplexing.

truth hurts,,the pic speaks volumns

rogifan said:

lwr001 said:

so, a dependeency that starts in 2014 and not 20 years ago is better to you ,,teh end result was what

It's not about what's better to me and that wasn't my point.

did he not OD in 1996? too much pills and wine,, t

lwr001 said:

leadline said:

I agree its nuts, folks keep taking a single unflattering frame and pushing their drug narrative on it. It's perplexing.

truth hurts,,the pic speaks volumns

I just showed you two pics from the same show where he looks perfect, I know you saw them, so what truth are you referring to?

morningsong said:

ForeverPaisley said:

If you're body is shutting down, from a drug overdose, you might just be grasping desperately for clothes, putting them on in the stupor your in...they may end up inside out. At that point, it probably wasn't a priority to stop and correct them. Just wish he picked up a phone, call 911 on speaker phone while dressing if need be. Something. Anything.

Only the socks were inside out, shirt and pants were backwards not inside out. Just to let my mind run completely wild: If I grab a shirt the way it looks correct to me and put it on someone facing me it would be backwards on them.

Yeah, I do this with my kiddo sometimes when I'm helping her. She often has to turn it around.

And I'm not in a panicked state when doing this...just trying to get through a busy morning and move the process along...

Of course, he was wearing easy pullover clothes the last couple of years so it's easy to make that mistake for yourself, too. But if it's true he had that much fentanyl in him, I'm not sure he could dress himself (I've had it before in the ICU...knocked me out cold...which was the point I think).

None of it makes sense.

leadline said:

lwr001 said:

truth hurts,,the pic speaks volumns

I just showed you two pics from the same show where he looks perfect, I know you saw them, so what truth are you referring to?

are you slow...i agreed the two i posted were from the 2013 grammy fine and st barts not fine you posted two from the grammys as well which i agree he is fine ,,

leadline said:

I have said all along i thought it was foul play, I don't know why, or who....but if you believe what Prince's actions have said over the decades, and, anyone who he has worked with, partied with, or was close with says, such as

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB0gJahFJ2A, how does this only have 273 hits??????????

then the only logical conclusion is that it was foul play.

Everything about Prince stood for health and non addiction, and nothing about this entire 4 months has made any sense, withheld info, rush jobs on autopsy and cremation, every day a new red flag and no real info, folks don't want to admit it for whatever reason, they want to keep pushing the drug narrative to compensate for the strangeness of it all, instead of choosing the logical (but horrifying) conclusion that it was foul play. It is indeed though looking more and more each day like it could absolutely be a possibility.

Like I said, if you believe Prince was clean, if you believe his message over the decades, if you believe his actions, if you believe those around him, those he worked with, then take into account the narrative that has been created, see the holes and inconcistencies for what they are, then there is absolutely no other conclusion that can be made. Foul play is the ONLY possibility. I have said it from day one and I stand by it.

TBH I think foul play is the most unlikely scenario. He was at he hospital twice that week. Tests were done. A doctor was being flown in to help. All the signs point to his health taking a sudden downturn.

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So many assume the plane incident was an OD - but was it?

There are rumours of narcan being given but no evidence. Even if it was used, it is usually used as a precaution when no drug use is known so indicates nothing. The OD is an assumption.

The only detailed account of the plane incident doesn't describe anything like an opiate OD nor narcan revival.

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So many assume the visit to the Dr on 20th and ill health prior to this was due to withdrawal - but what is the evidence for this?

There seems no evidence yet that any doctor was prescribing opiates.

The search warrent only looked at medical records for the critical care Dr that saw him in April. There seems no interest yet in any previous Dr that might have started P on painkillers. If he OD'd surely they would be interested in the original prescriber of painkillers.

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I can't see all this being soley due to illicit opiate use myself. He suddenly went downhill fast in April. The cancellation and the Dr called in on 7th, the plane incident then the 20th. It doesn't strike me as reasonable to go from coping well to struggling so severely with addiction in just two weeks. It just seems more like a health issue and maybe no-one is talking because of investigation into the illicit drugs involved in his death.

CooperC62057 said:

Bottom line. Autopsy says fentanyl. No prescription for that? Believe it got there however you see it - he knew, he didn't, someone fed it to him - everyone's opinion is their right. Fentanyl doesn't belong in your system naturally. If it was there for any reason other than a normal dosage prescribed by a doctor, it is murder and someone is responsible. Someone needs to be held accountable.

it's not murder , Prince and soley Prince is responsible for wht he puts in his system, period

jumanji2016 said:

lwr001 said:

leadline said:

I just showed you two pics from the same show where he looks perfect, I know you saw them, so what truth are you referring to?

are you slow...i agreed the two i posted were from the 2013 grammy fine and st barts not fine you posted two from the grammys as well which i agree he is fine ,,

Apologies lwr001, my post had no malice in it, looks like I read it too fast.

sunset3121 said:

leadline said:

I have said all along i thought it was foul play, I don't know why, or who....but if you believe what Prince's actions have said over the decades, and, anyone who he has worked with, partied with, or was close with says, such as

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB0gJahFJ2A, how does this only have 273 hits??????????

then the only logical conclusion is that it was foul play.

Everything about Prince stood for health and non addiction, and nothing about this entire 4 months has made any sense, withheld info, rush jobs on autopsy and cremation, every day a new red flag and no real info, folks don't want to admit it for whatever reason, they want to keep pushing the drug narrative to compensate for the strangeness of it all, instead of choosing the logical (but horrifying) conclusion that it was foul play. It is indeed though looking more and more each day like it could absolutely be a possibility.

Like I said, if you believe Prince was clean, if you believe his message over the decades, if you believe his actions, if you believe those around him, those he worked with, then take into account the narrative that has been created, see the holes and inconcistencies for what they are, then there is absolutely no other conclusion that can be made. Foul play is the ONLY possibility. I have said it from day one and I stand by it.

TBH I think foul play is the most unlikely scenario. He was at he hospital twice that week. Tests were done. A doctor was being flown in to help. All the signs point to his health taking a sudden downturn.

.

So many assume the plane incident was an OD - but was it?

There are rumours of narcan being given but no evidence. Even if it was used, it is usually used as a precaution when no drug use is known so indicates nothing. The OD is an assumption.

The only detailed account of the plane incident doesn't describe anything like an opiate OD nor narcan revival.

.

So many assume the visit to the Dr on 20th and ill health prior to this was due to withdrawal - but what is the evidence for this?

There seems no evidence yet that any doctor was prescribing opiates.

The search warrent only looked at medical records for the critical care Dr that saw him in April. There seems no interest yet in any previous Dr that might have started P on painkillers. If he OD'd surely they would be interested in the original prescriber of painkillers.

.

I can't see all this being soley due to illicit opiate use myself. He suddenly went downhill fast in April. The cancellation and the Dr called in on 7th, the plane incident then the 20th. It doesn't strike me as reasonable to go from coping well to struggling so severely with addiction in just two weeks. It just seems more like a health issue and maybe no-one is talking because of investigation into the illicit drugs involved in his death.

he reciecved two narcan shot to revive..but yeah it wasnt an OD ..Create whatever narrative you want .to make your self feel good

leadline said:

lwr001 said:

are you slow...i agreed the two i posted were from the 2013 grammy fine and st barts not fine you posted two from the grammys as well which i agree he is fine ,,

Apologies lwr001, my post had no malice in it, looks like I read it too fast.

no worries,, i post the two as folks always refer to lighting and i htink these two pics provide a start contrast in appearance that cant be dismissed with age, lighting etc, that is all

These kinds of stories are gonna go on for years and we'll still NEVER KNOW. I'm out.

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lwr001 said:

sunset3121 said:

TBH I think foul play is the most unlikely scenario. He was at he hospital twice that week. Tests were done. A doctor was being flown in to help. All the signs point to his health taking a sudden downturn.

.

So many assume the plane incident was an OD - but was it?

There are rumours of narcan being given but no evidence. Even if it was used, it is usually used as a precaution when no drug use is known so indicates nothing. The OD is an assumption.

The only detailed account of the plane incident doesn't describe anything like an opiate OD nor narcan revival.

.

So many assume the visit to the Dr on 20th and ill health prior to this was due to withdrawal - but what is the evidence for this?

There seems no evidence yet that any doctor was prescribing opiates.

The search warrent only looked at medical records for the critical care Dr that saw him in April. There seems no interest yet in any previous Dr that might have started P on painkillers. If he OD'd surely they would be interested in the original prescriber of painkillers.

.

I can't see all this being soley due to illicit opiate use myself. He suddenly went downhill fast in April. The cancellation and the Dr called in on 7th, the plane incident then the 20th. It doesn't strike me as reasonable to go from coping well to struggling so severely with addiction in just two weeks. It just seems more like a health issue and maybe no-one is talking because of investigation into the illicit drugs involved in his death.

he reciecved two narcan shot to revive..but yeah it wasnt an OD ..Create whatever narrative you want .to make your self feel good

Nobody is saying he didn't OD, but it if was foul play, he was ingesting those drugs without his knowledge....right before he sat down to have that calm, pleasant conversation with Judith Hill where he stopped talking mid sentence.

XxAxX said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

Oh I completely agree with you about so much being unexplained. This entire tragedy from beginning to now is bizarre, and only seems to get more bizarre. But, and this is just my opinion, I think there is too much focus being placed on red herrings like this NY Daily News story and the mysterious 'two girls' with Prince. The waters are being muddied either by minutae, or people that (again, imo) SHOULD be more forthcoming are being given either a free pass due to who they are or for inexplicable reasons, such as that doctor who hasn't been heard from since April. (although to be fair, letting a physician go or the physician leaving his position amidst an investigation and situation such as this isn't uncommon; if that guy is an innocent bystander caught up in this mess merely due to unfortunate circumstance, I'd want to disappear too while all this is going on as what could he contribute anymore at this point? but again, WHO KNOWS WHAT HE KNOWS OR DOESN'T? Hopefully law enforcement does). I think some of Prince's "friends" who have spoken out with very unbelievable claims "Oh I *NEVER* saw Prince look like he was in pain!" or other similar remarks seems more weird to me...how could some of these people claiming ignorance or else denying what is known fact (now) say some of this stuff with a straight face? All this to say, I agree with you about us being left with FAR FAR too much 'unexplained weird'. And it's not right. There is something terribly fishy about so much of this and it's frustrating.

well said, and i totally agree. i feel uneasy about so much of what hasn't been explained about the multiple out-of-character weirdnesses surrounding prince's passing.

its affected the way i see things and it's quite possible i'm reading into the situation more than should be read.

on the other hand i really want dr. schulenberg to man up. he needs to face the world and speak up on exactly what 'tests' were run, what prescriptions were filled. he needs to tell investigators, as far as dr/client privilege will permit. a warrant should take care of that

why did dr. schulenderg go to PP to meet prince too late to save him, when he should have known prince was in danger? or DID he go to PP that night? SOMEone should look into that for real.

if prince was under the care of a doctor the day before he died, then HOW did his bloodstream contain enough fentanyl to kill anyone the very next day?

if the detail about his clothing is real, then i want the person or persons unknown who put his clothing on backwards and inside out to be found. this is imperative, as they were likely with him when he passed, or shortly thereafter.

i also want prince's alleged female companions to spill what they knew about his alleged drug use and/or illness.

his recreational activities may give us insight into who could have sold/supplied him with that mismarked prescription bottle that killed him.

and i want kirk to speak up and tell us how the paramedics waiting at the airport knew to give prince norcan. it's time.

anything less than the real truth, any lies or coverup even though well-intended, does a dishonor to the person prince was. imo

yeah, i know i'm asking for privileged information i'll never get. but its time for some answers

[Edited 8/21/16 0:12am]

Law enforcement can get info from a doctor in a criminal investigation, with the proper paperwork. It's my understanding that the only fully-protected relationship is attorney/client. That's why the disappearing doctor is so disturbing. He left his practice almost immediately and hasn't been heard from since. I can't imagine that law enforcement hasn't interviewed him (maybe there's confirmation that they did at some point?).

I don't know if this was straight up murder, but if this article is true, there are people in P's camp who are in serious trouble right now. Serious trouble.

One of the lawyers in this thread said the police might leak info if they're at a dead end. Might they release info if they're trying to put pressure on someone? I don't know. Sounds a bit L&O to me, but this is getting stranger by the minute.

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