Was Kirk at the most recent memorial services?

morningsong said:

anangellooksdown said:

I am devastated. This article looks legit and it seems that, IF it's true: 1) he took a pill(s) labeled hydrocodone - but the pill(s) contained fentanyl. 2) he was also taking a rather strong benzodiazepine (Xanax) and a narcotic (Percocet). That's a lot of respiratory depression risk altogether. But my guess is he has become used to the latter 2 drugs -- it's the unknowingly adding of the fentanyl that pushed his system over the edge. 3) clothes on backwards makes me wonder if he was so out of it from the fentanyl that he didn't know what he was doing. Prescription medications are killing people. I am just so sad over this and I felt my first real anger just now. I am so glad he doesn't have to feel this pain or fear again. God love you, beautiful boy.

He had the presence of mind to put his clothes on and get in the elevator yet everything got put on incorrectly. So incorrectly his pants are backward but it didn't say inside out.

If you're body is shutting down, from a drug overdose, you might just be grasping desperately for clothes, putting them on in the stupor your in...they may end up inside out. At that point, it probably wasn't a priority to stop and correct them. Just wish he picked up a phone, call 911 on speaker phone while dressing if need be. Something. Anything.

avajane said:

When after 4 months, there are more questions than answers, you know something ain't right.

So simply put, but this right here is the crux of it.

Cecy said:

Eileen said:

My recollection is that reports of pills/meds/drugs being found at the death scene were almost immediate and widespread. I have no recollection of the sheriff denying this.

In this article: http://www.fox9.com/news/...9772-story

Thanks for the link Cecy! Reading that I remember the statement and discussion here around it. IMO it always was a non-denial denial.

thedoorkeeper said:

I would have to be pretty fucked up to put my pants on backwards. Shirt & socks I can understand.

A lot of his pants (aside from the suits etc) looked like just pull ons (almost similar to leggings in some cases), could easily have pulled them on the wrong way. If you're feeling frantic, from what seems like a medical emergency...i don't think that would be a priority. Having clothes on period would be and is a priority.

Krystalkisses said:

This is just so frightening to read about. My God, I can only imagine how panicked he must have felt in his last moments. My heart aches to think he was in a level of pain great enough to start taking opioids. I had no idea of the extent of his struggle and I'm so sorry he suffered. I really loved that man, losing him has been very hard...this is just so upsetting to me.

luv4u said:

I'm not sure which thread here on the Org, but it was posted that what they found in his system was strong enough to kill someone far bigger than him so my hope is that he didn't suffer and that's why whomever found him dressed him...because he was already gone.

LBrent said:

Was Kirk at the most recent memorial services?

Yes

leadline said:

In the absense of proof, anything is possible. Perhaps someone switched the pills on purpose.

ForeverPaisley said:

Only the socks were inside out, shirt and pants were backwards not inside out. Just to let my mind run completely wild:


If I grab a shirt the way it looks correct to me and put it on someone facing me it would be backwards on them.

rogifan said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

Yeah, that's if you're a TRUE, real friend you get the person help. I wonder exactly how many true, genuine friends Prince had vs people wanting to use him for their own self-serving agendas. As for Prince asking staff or friends to risk prison to obtain illegal drugs for him, I seriously seriously doubt THAT. There are always plenty of "yes" men/women and buttkissers surrounding celebrities in the guise of "helpful friend", i.e. wanting to score brownie points. There were also many naive, young people who worked for Prince who may have 'helpfully' gotten him meds and were completely clueless as to the dangers of what's happening in MN right now particularly re: street drugs.

Why would someone get meds for Prince and Prince take them if he didn't ask? Unless Kirk or someone else was also on medication, could see that Prince was in pain and gave him their pills to take? Bottom line is fentanyl was in his system. So either he took it knowing what it was, took it thinking it was something else, or I don't know what else. It's not like something you could slip in somebody's drink, I don't think.

Well, the problem with responding to your first question is: we didn't know Prince, or his 'friends' and associates/staff nor the details of each relationship, so it's impossible to know if someone might have known of his pain and either offered to get him something stronger and he was in such pain and desperate enough to agree (and I'm a chronic pain sufferer for many decades so I understand how chronic, unrelenting pain can wear you down and you're so tired and just want RELIEF and that can make you do things you normally wouldn't do, or had been against before you started sufferering). What if one of his 'friends' or an ambitious staff member said they were able to get him some pain pills and he trusted them and accepted the meds? We don't know. Maybe it went like that. Past that, you're right: we can't know what really happened because we unfortunately weren't there (to prevent it ). Prince may or may not have known it was actually fentanyl. My complete speculative assumption is that he did NOT know and maybe the person who got/gave it to him didn't even know, either. But I truly truly don't believe Prince would ever ask anyone to risk prison or their own safety to get him illegal meds...no matter how much he was suffering, I don't think he'd go that far or cross that line. But I do wonder about how far climbers and self-servers would go to get him something to 'help' him, and do so without being aware of the terrible dangers of getting meds that way.

XxAxX said:

leadline said:

Hopefully they will continue along the foul play path, because this news definitely plays towards that, along with all the other holes and inconsistencies over the last 4 months.

[Edited 8/20/16 19:59pm]

a friend of a friend of someone who worked at paisleyy park told me that the security system was not on when prince passed. they went out to hook it back up after his passing.... anyone might have had access to the park, if this is true

What? Why would it have been conveniently off at that time? This is awful.

anangellooksdown said:

I can't see why anyone would dress someone backwards. I think he put on his clothes himself after being out of it.

If you are distraught and emotional and just wanting to get him clothed before medics and anyone else arrive...it could happen.

rogifan said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

Yeah, that's if you're a TRUE, real friend you get the person help. I wonder exactly how many true, genuine friends Prince had vs people wanting to use him for their own self-serving agendas. As for Prince asking staff or friends to risk prison to obtain illegal drugs for him, I seriously seriously doubt THAT. There are always plenty of "yes" men/women and buttkissers surrounding celebrities in the guise of "helpful friend", i.e. wanting to score brownie points. There were also many naive, young people who worked for Prince who may have 'helpfully' gotten him meds and were completely clueless as to the dangers of what's happening in MN right now particularly re: street drugs.

Why would someone get meds for Prince and Prince take them if he didn't ask? Unless Kirk or someone else was also on medication, could see that Prince was in pain and gave him their pills to take? Bottom line is fentanyl was in his system. So either he took it knowing what it was, took it thinking it was something else, or I don't know what else. It's not like something you could slip in somebody's drink, I don't think.

Exactly. And I don't see how alleged wanna-be's and acquaintances would believe an unprompted offer of dodgy pills would be a great way to score points with a famously anti-drug health foodie.

rogifan said:

NinaB said:

Fine. We get it. But this ain't about your pet peeve.

How is taking reports from unnamed sources and letting ones imagination run wild with all kinds of awful things good for anybody's health or sanity? It certainly doesn't bring closure, it just raises even more questions. I don't know what the Star Tribune's agenda is but I don't trust their motives at all. Especially after they decided to go sniffing around P's divorce records claiming that somehow the public has a right to know this information. BS and FU Star Tribune.

The Star-Tribune's agenda is to find out the truth about what happened to Prince. Thank god a media publication is pursuing the truth. They are doing the right thing.

[Edited 8/21/16 0:02am]

NinaB said:

anangellooksdown said:

I can't see why anyone would dress someone backwards. I think he put on his clothes himself after being out of it.

Seemingly they were screaming & hysterical when the doc's son rang the emergency services.

I would've been too

slowlywiltingflower said:

XxAxX said:

i'm inclined to believe the cited, eyewitness testimony it published nevertheless, as that information is easily verifiable:

Actor and nightclub associate Wass Stevens reveals that Prince gave one “secret” show in Manhattan before he died in April. . .

[Edited 8/20/16 23:24pm]

Yep b/c people, and the media, never embellish or make up straight up BS to sell copies. that story is so full of holes and out-of-character for Prince claims I find it difficult to believe anybody would believe it. MAYBE Prince was in the club a month before he passed...MAYBE he even played a song or two. But so much of the bulk of that 'story' is suspect it's ridiculous.

How does the guy know Prince was always running around with 2 women? Was he a part of Prince's camp too? Did he see him often?!

morningsong said:

Yup.

I could swear that this was how they caught the killer on Columbo or CSI or Law & Order or one of those shows back in the day.

slowlywiltingflower said:

XxAxX said:

okay. if you say so. still, tossing that story out entirely and dismissing the two gals prince was or wasn't with, we are still left with too much unexplained weird.

Oh I completely agree with you about so much being unexplained. This entire tragedy from beginning to now is bizarre, and only seems to get more bizarre. But, and this is just my opinion, I think there is too much focus being placed on red herrings like this NY Daily News story and the mysterious 'two girls' with Prince. The waters are being muddied either by minutae, or people that (again, imo) SHOULD be more forthcoming are being given either a free pass due to who they are or for inexplicable reasons, such as that doctor who hasn't been heard from since April. (although to be fair, letting a physician go or the physician leaving his position amidst an investigation and situation such as this isn't uncommon; if that guy is an innocent bystander caught up in this mess merely due to unfortunate circumstance, I'd want to disappear too while all this is going on as what could he contribute anymore at this point? but again, WHO KNOWS WHAT HE KNOWS OR DOESN'T? Hopefully law enforcement does). I think some of Prince's "friends" who have spoken out with very unbelievable claims "Oh I *NEVER* saw Prince look like he was in pain!" or other similar remarks seems more weird to me...how could some of these people claiming ignorance or else denying what is known fact (now) say some of this stuff with a straight face? All this to say, I agree with you about us being left with FAR FAR too much 'unexplained weird'. And it's not right. There is something terribly fishy about so much of this and it's frustrating.

well said, and i totally agree. i feel uneasy about so much of what hasn't been explained about the multiple out-of-character weirdnesses surrounding prince's passing.

its affected the way i see things and it's quite possible i'm reading into the situation more than should be read.

on the other hand i really want dr. schulenberg to man up. he needs to face the world and speak up on exactly what 'tests' were run, what prescriptions were filled. he needs to tell investigators, as far as dr/client privilege will permit. a warrant should take care of that

why did dr. schulenderg go to PP to meet prince too late to save him, when he should have known prince was in danger? or DID he go to PP that night? SOMEone should look into that for real.

if prince was under the care of a doctor the day before he died, then HOW did his bloodstream contain enough fentanyl to kill anyone the very next day?

if the detail about his clothing is real, then i want the person or persons unknown who put his clothing on backwards and inside out to be found. this is imperative, as they were likely with him when he passed, or shortly thereafter.

i also want prince's alleged female companions to spill what they knew about his alleged drug use and/or illness.

his recreational activities may give us insight into who could have sold/supplied him with that mismarked prescription bottle that killed him.

and i want kirk to speak up and tell us how the paramedics waiting at the airport knew to give prince norcan. it's time.

anything less than the real truth, any lies or coverup even though well-intended, does a dishonor to the person prince was. imo

yeah, i know i'm asking for privileged information i'll never get. but its time for some answers

[Edited 8/21/16 0:12am]

ForeverPaisley said:

anangellooksdown said:

I can't see why anyone would dress someone backwards. I think he put on his clothes himself after being out of it.

If you are distraught and emotional and just wanting to get him clothed before medics and anyone else arrive...it could happen.

I agree with this. Perhaps the people who found him, being distraught and hysterical, didn't realize how long he'd been gone already and thought the paramedics were going to be able to revive him, and they (the people who found him) were only trying to be helpful and respectful to Prince. I'm sure the entire situation felt so surreal and was so chaotic. To me, clothing being in disarray or put on wrongly doesn't seem so strange given the circumstances.

It could have been any number of unknown people that Prince may have trusted to have his back. I don't know why people can only focus on 2 names, like he only could have known in his hometown 5 people max.

derrick31 said:

Yeah ok.

rogifan said:

derrick31 said:

agreed 100%...it's gotta come out some kind of way

Eileen said:

rogifan said:

slowlywiltingflower said:
Why would someone get meds for Prince and Prince take them if he didn't ask? Unless Kirk or someone else was also on medication, could see that Prince was in pain and gave him their pills to take? Bottom line is fentanyl was in his system. So either he took it knowing what it was, took it thinking it was something else, or I don't know what else. It's not like something you could slip in somebody's drink, I don't think.

Exactly. And I don't see how alleged wanna-be's and acquaintances would believe an unprompted offer of dodgy pills would be a great way to score points with a famously anti-drug health foodie.

Have you ever actually known, and witnessed day to day over months or YEARS even, a chronic pain sufferers daily battles and how pain can wear a person down physically and mentally? I have been anti-drug ALL MY LIFE (I'm in my late 40s) but in the last years things have gotten bad enough for me that I've started taking anti anxiety medication because I wanted some relief and could find it no other way. Years ago I had to have surgery due to a severe form of a disease and before the surgery, i was in such intense daily pain I was considering all sorts of things I never would have before and when I look back at those days, it feels like a nightmare to me. Stating what an anti-drug health foodie type Prince was before his pain got so all consuming doesn't mean much (to me) when I understand how chronic pain that's chipping away at your life will alter a person and what they might consider in the name of RELIEF.

Krystalkisses said:

aww Krystal

slowlywiltingflower said:

yep it's the truth

XxAxX said:

i'd believe he put his clothes on all wrong but for these: prince was fastidious, he would have put the clothes on right. and also, prince didn't ever seem to be a very modest guy.

i think if he needed help, he'd have gone out in search wearing just his shorts. or, nothing at all. i doubt prince would have taken the time to put on socks and shirt and pants in a rush if he were aware that he were overdosing again....

It makes me feel you've never a) experienced a medical emergency yourself or b) are unaware of how complications from, or combined effects of, including overdose of drugs, can truly impair even motor skills, as well as judgement. In that state of mind, and or the possible medical emergency happening in his body (if he indeed got out of bed and tried to go for help) he probably was thinking clothing versus no clothing, I don't think he could have stopped to care about those details of inside out of not, at that moment in time.

Though I still don't know why he didn't just call someone immediately WHILE trying to clothe himself in that state.

And...this all completely throws what I previously thought out the window. I thought he had come HOME and was on his way upstairs...and that's when it happened. This has literally spun everything on its head.

LuxLove said:

then by all means do that