All the stories are strange. They don't fit together well and don't fit with any of our families (over 10 year history) with Fentanyl (and Oxy) and hip pain (different people). I suppose that is Prince world though. I'd rather not hear any more of them.

Marrk said:

The Narcan shot ripped his tolerance for opiods out of his system completely. That's what it does. He was on borrowed time from that point forwards. So still in pain, he probably took a lower dose that was still too much for his system and he passes a week later.

interesting to realise that, thanks. wow, the hardest thing to get back in his body. i'm glad he was able to come back and have one more paisley party. i feel like, even though i thought the atl show was amazing, he really said the atl shows were the best yet in order to save the atl concert attendees from thinking that those shows contributed to his plane incident. that was very considerate of him. maybe he rescheduled the shows thinking that the audience energy would help improve his health. i would like to think that he really knew after that plane incident how much time he had left, had glimpsed a beautiful afterworld and was just humbly keeping quiet about it.

Well, now Judith Hill's May 14, 2016 FB posting listed below kinda makes sense. She remarked of having a burden that is deeply layered, etc. Now in context of this news article today, sounded like she wanted to speak up over a month ago, but was protecting Prince as all of his family and friends are doing right now.

https://www.facebook.com/JudithHillOfficial/posts/1038806949528936:0

Yeah.. that read like a kick in the chest. I tend to be a skeptic, or rather at least voice my skepticisms, um... why did the hospital not warn Prince, Kirk, and Judith how precarious his situation was given the narcan shot? Maybe they did because the article says Judith would not discuss his medical treatment in detail so who knows? I just don't see how he could have been released from the hospital under those circumstances (knowing he could easily overdose going forward). She says he was fully co-operative but I dunno.

Judith doesn't know a thing about Prince suffering from hip pain, which does make sense to me.

I don't think the hip pain story makes sense just because the grinding of the joint would continue regardless of medication. He would not be able to smoothly walk and dance. It's not a broken bone but it's similarly a body part that is not fully functional. You'd also build up a tolerance to medication, to the point that he would have OD'd long ago if that were really the case.

For me the mystery continues, but Judith would most likely know (with him everday for 2 years) if he was taking meds due to hip pain. I'm glad she was not involved with illegal scripts.

I am thankful to Ms Hill and I'm sure she had to be careful what she said.


Hopefully people who think they know what happened will give it a rest now.

She really doesn't say anymore than everyone already knows, other than she was on the plane with him too, when it happened. Even those around him, really didn't know anything about him that he didn't want them to know, that's really kind of sad.

terrig said:

laurarichardson said:

terrig said: --- Get help for his addition to the painkillers. How much more plain can it made for you?

She's the only one to say anything since he died... and most of it is wrapped in press release. It's frustrating, and weird.

And just entirely too much of a fucked up coincidence-- for me --that she was working with Michael Jackson right before he died too. I'm not sorry about pointing that out because that is really a FUCKED UP coincidence.

Well at least she finally said something. We gave her enough hell for not saying shit, but Its interesting that Mr. Johnson aint saying shit and his lawyer has him on lock. At least Ms Hill told us some of what happened. I dont know if its for publicity though

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What are y'all saying about the coincidence?

terrig said:

She talks enough to get herself mentioned in the NYT but not enough to really say anything. This makes me queasy.

yep

we had to wait 2 months after the fact to even hear this...sad

When Judith opens the box at around 40 seconds...........so sad.....

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

terrig said:

She's the only one to say anything since he died... and most of it is wrapped in press release. It's frustrating, and weird.

And just entirely too much of a fucked up coincidence-- for me --that she was working with Michael Jackson right before he died too. I'm not sorry about pointing that out because that is really a FUCKED UP coincidence.

what.....seriously? well this is fucked up

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

terrig said:

She's the only one to say anything since he died... and most of it is wrapped in press release. It's frustrating, and weird.

And just entirely too much of a fucked up coincidence-- for me --that she was working with Michael Jackson right before he died too. I'm not sorry about pointing that out because that is really a FUCKED UP coincidence.

HatrinaHaterwitz: I thought the same thing like damn, does she feel like the dark angel being in their lives and around them close to their passing? Of two of our most profound musical icon's of our time. I hate admitting it too I thought about it. What a mind f...

AnnaStesia10 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

And just entirely too much of a fucked up coincidence-- for me --that she was working with Michael Jackson right before he died too. I'm not sorry about pointing that out because that is really a FUCKED UP coincidence.

HatrinaHaterwitz: I thought the same thing like damn, does she feel like the dark angel being in their lives and around them close to their passing? Of two of our most profound musical icon's of our time. I hate admitting it too I thought about it. What a mind f...

nelcp777 said:

I'm glad he left this world in the middle of such a loving, close friendship and not lonely. I'm sorry Judith has to bear the burden of "what if."

I'm now starting to wonder just how serious his hip pain really was. If she was so close to him, how did she not know he was in major pain? She said he moved "swiftly" and there was no evidence of hip pain. Also, the YouTuber .. Maya, I think her name was, who photographed Prince for his last album said the same thing .. no evidence of pain and that he moved swiftly in platform flip flops or something. Has there ever been footage of him hobbling? I'm wondering if somehow he got hooked on the painkillers but without the pain. The reason I bring this up is because it explains how he could have hid his addiction so well.

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makeadifference said:

I'm glad he left this world in the middle of such a close friendship. I'm sorry Judith has to bear the burden of "what if."

I'm now starting to wonder just how serious his hip pain really was. If she was so close to him, how did she not know he was in major pain? She said he moved "swiftly" and there was no evidence of hip pain. Also, the YouTuber .. Maya, I think her name was, who photographed Prince for his last album said the same thing .. no evidence of pain and that he moved swiftly in platform flip flops or something. Has there ever been footage of him hobbling? I'm wondering if somehow he got hooked on the painkillers but without the pain. The reason I bring this up is because it explains how he could have hid his addiction so well.

He hid it cause he was a perfectionist....the man was all about his craft. His fans wouldve rather he retired though. At least he'd still be here. Can you imagine the amount of pain he was in while performing? Breaks my heart.

rogifan said:

To me there's not much more to know. I think it's pretty obvious what ever reason he was taking painkillers it wasn't for recreational fun, it wasn't to get high, it was because he was in pain. And knowing how private the man was and the pride he had no doubt he kept that pain from all but the closest people to him (like Kirk). The sad thing is knowing Prince knew there was problem and he was taking steps to do something about it. Sigh.💜

makeadifference said:

I'm now starting to wonder just how serious his hip pain really was.

I agree. Some are assuming that that his hip pain was current and severe, but we don't actually know that, any more than we know anything else about his health history.

It's possible that the hip surgery he had (evidence being the hip scar noted in his death report) alleviated his pain but sadly he was already addicted to the pain medication at that point. We just don't know

Wow....man that hurts

makeadifference said:

I'm going to say this as nicely as I can but can some of you get a goddam grip?

Just because he died doesn't give you the right to speculate to that extent. Take two aspirins and call me in the morning.

nursev said:

makeadifference said:

I'm glad he left this world in the middle of such a close friendship. I'm sorry Judith has to bear the burden of "what if."

I'm now starting to wonder just how serious his hip pain really was. If she was so close to him, how did she not know he was in major pain? She said he moved "swiftly" and there was no evidence of hip pain. Also, the YouTuber .. Maya, I think her name was, who photographed Prince for his last album said the same thing .. no evidence of pain and that he moved swiftly in platform flip flops or something. Has there ever been footage of him hobbling? I'm wondering if somehow he got hooked on the painkillers but without the pain. The reason I bring this up is because it explains how he could have hid his addiction so well.

He hid it cause he was a perfectionist....the man was all about his craft. His fans wouldve rather he retired though. At least he'd still be here. Can you imagine the amount of pain he was in while performing? Breaks my heart.

I see what you're saying, possibly when it comes to performing .. but I'm talking about the day-to-day interactions at PP. I just find it hard to believe he was moving "swiftly" in elevated shoes when he didn't have to .. while in so much pain. Just doesn't add up. Those who were close to him would have noticed him slowing down or maybe hear him mention his pain.

babynoz said:

What are y'all saying about the coincidence?

That it's fucked up. I'm not saying I think she had anything to do with what happened to either of them. I'm just saying to have been working with the both of them right before they suddenly died is a really FUCKED UP coincidence to have.

It could also be that his condition was episodic, meaning he had flare ups but was otherwise able to function. He wasn't necessarily medicating for months or years on end. That could be why the dose of meds he took killed him after the narcan shot.

That could explain why his situation wasn't obvious.

Dolphinking23 said:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/arts/music/prince-death-judith-hill-plane.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

Is that really how drug overdoses can look? I've never heard of anyone carrying on a conversation and eating, then suddenly checking out like that in mid-conversation--not as part of a drug overdose in which no obvious drug use was taking place (like as in plain sight)... Anyone have any background knowledge about how that works or length of time between taking a med and simply dying?

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

babynoz said:

What are y'all saying about the coincidence?

That it's fucked up. I'm not saying I think she had anything to do with what happened to either of them. I'm just saying to have been working with the both of them right before they suddenly died is a really FUCKED UP coincidence to have.

Thanks for clarifying....I was getting spooked.