StephanieThePisces said:

jumanji2016 said:

delirious said:

As far as the pain - I came across this video - and yes I know the video is stupid and I am not responsible for its creation - but if you watch from about 2:20 on it at least appears to show him trying to stand while waiting for an elevator (yes I know - the irony...) and looking very uncomfortable and even propping himself up by his cane. You can almost see grimacing, etc but he is very careful not to show any real facial expressions. Then when it is time to go he just stridea away calmly.

Dunno - maybe I am seeing things but he definitely doesn't look comfortable - and without "successful" surgery it probably only got worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnmjFJqpctQ

He skipped a bit in this video, like she was trying to shift his weight more to the left leg than the right.

I believe this is from when he was in Atlanta for his last concert.

"The last time TMZ saw Prince' https://www.youtube.com/w...l6YYj0niv4

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No, that was in NYC when he made the announcement of his autobiography.

mrwiggles said:

1Sasha said:

i wish one of these people that are telling us how close they were/are to prince, would have gone to the press BEFORE he passed, and blown it all open. i am sure he would have been so mad, and maybe would have pushed that person out of his life...but he may still be here, if there had been just one very brave person...

flipper1960 said:

i wish one of these people that are telling us how close they were/are to prince, would have gone to the press BEFORE he passed, and blown it all open. i am sure he would have been so mad, and maybe would have pushed that person out of his life...but he may still be here, if there had been just one very brave person...

I thought that as well at first.But,thats not how addiction seems to work.Almost dying on a plane should of been the wake up call.Even if saved from the elevator it may of been something else.Also how many other things didn't we hear about.Sadly he needed to save himself

CROWNS1 said:

AA1slot said:

More (the truth) will be revealed....Prince doesnt seem to be the type to not want help. I agree with what others have said that K. Johnson probably involved ...with both the start/beginning and the ending. I was wondering if the investigation was even still going on. Kornfeld also did pain management as well so appears P was more than willing. Cant imagine after years of clean living, P would want to be addicted. I am glad someone spoke out...wouldnt surprise me now that others may come forward...someone always has to go first to start the ball rolling. Thank you Judith for speaking out.

NO ONE wants to be addicted. No One.

Just wanted to echo this.

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Addiction, or dependency, or whatever term is 'correct', can be a snowball that starts out very small but over time, gets bigger and harder to stop from rolling right over the top of you.

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I've had chronic pain for over 20 years. I never took anything for it because I am so supersensitive to side effects and generally speaking, drugs scare me. I went through two major abdominal surgeries and never took painkillers in the hospital (except what they put into my IV and I had little say in that at first) but when they stopped the IV meds I didn't take anythng by mouth. That was just my choice and I'm not critisizing or judging anybody who DOES take pain meds, btw - it's just I didn't feel comfortable taking them, so I found other way to try to cope with the pain.

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However, I also for the past few years have struggled with very severe anxiety that has greatly affected my life and causes me a lot of physical symptoms. I've resisted antidepressants (many many years ago I did try them a couple times and either I felt like such a zombie or they made me so sick I gave up them) but in these last few years, during some ER visits they gave me ativan and it did help calm me and I felt better. At first I didn't take it regularly.

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Fast forward to now: the anxiety progressed and worsened to such a degree that I finally started taking ativan regularly as prescribed by my psych doctor. But as is the case, ativan stops being effective after awhile and you have to take higher and higher doses - WHICH I DO NOT WANT TO DO, and haven't ever wanted to do. These drugs scare me. But I also hate being non functional due to my anxiety on top of my chronic physical issues, so I continued taking the ativan. Two years ago I asked my psych doctor to get me off of this drug but he said no and only upped the dose. He's done that two more times since although I have never taken the full daily dosage he''s now prescribing and I'm trying to find a new p-doc but gosh the wait times are loooooong so it's hard.

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My point is, I'm 48. All my life I've never smoked, drank/never been drunk, or done drugs (I refuse aspirin even. I just don't like drugs unless I MUST MUST take them and then I take them only begrudingly and in fear of side effects), I've tried always to eat healthy and do all i could to BE healthy. yet the times I took the ativan in the ER helped so much that i slowly started taking it regularly at the behest of my doctors who freely wrote, and continue to write, the Rx for it....now it doesn't work at the dosage I take it, but i'm stuck taking it until I can wean off of it because the withdrawals from benzos terrify me, especially the possibility of seizures. But few doctors seem to care enough to LISTEN TO ME when I tell them I want OFF this med - they just tell me to keep taking it and 'we'll discuss it again at your next appointment'. I feel I am 'addicted' to the ativan right now because I can't just stop it cold turkey at thsi point, and how I fell into taking it was a slow process and was borne of the desperation to just feel better and stop some of the awful physical symptoms of anxiety. But I regret taking it now and wish Id never started.

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I feel like the path Prince traveled regarding painkillers is similar to my experience with ativan. I don't believe he ever wanted to reach the point he did, and I believe he wanted to stop taking those drugs but you find yourself in a hole very hard to climb out of, especially if you don't have the support system you need and you don't have people around you you can trust.

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All this is one of the many reasons I can't and would never judge Prince, and why I think some people need to employ a bit more compassion and also educate themselves about addiction/dependency in general and how it can happen to ANYONE.

StephanieThePisces said:

CROWNS1 said:

NO ONE wants to be addicted. No One.

Just wanted to echo this.

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Addiction, or dependency, or whatever term is 'correct', can be a snowball that starts out very small but over time, gets bigger and harder to stop from rolling right over the top of you.

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I've had chronic pain for over 20 years. I never took anything for it because I am so supersensitive to side effects and generally speaking, drugs scare me. I went through two major abdominal surgeries and never took painkillers in the hospital (except what they put into my IV and I had little say in that at first) but when they stopped the IV meds I didn't take anythng by mouth. That was just my choice and I'm not critisizing or judging anybody who DOES take pain meds, btw - it's just I didn't feel comfortable taking them, so I found other way to try to cope with the pain.

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However, I also for the past few years have struggled with very severe anxiety that has greatly affected my life and causes me a lot of physical symptoms. I've resisted antidepressants (many many years ago I did try them a couple times and either I felt like such a zombie or they made me so sick I gave up them) but in these last few years, during some ER visits they gave me ativan and it did help calm me and I felt better. At first I didn't take it regularly.

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Fast forward to now: the anxiety progressed and worsened to such a degree that I finally started taking ativan regularly as prescribed by my psych doctor. But as is the case, ativan stops being effective after awhile and you have to take higher and higher doses - WHICH I DO NOT WANT TO DO, and haven't ever wanted to do. These drugs scare me. But I also hate being non functional due to my anxiety on top of my chronic physical issues, so I continued taking the ativan. Two years ago I asked my psych doctor to get me off of this drug but he said no and only upped the dose. He's done that two more times since although I have never taken the full daily dosage he''s now prescribing and I'm trying to find a new p-doc but gosh the wait times are loooooong so it's hard.

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My point is, I'm 48. All my life I've never smoked, drank/never been drunk, or done drugs (I refuse aspirin even. I just don't like drugs unless I MUST MUST take them and then I take them only begrudingly and in fear of side effects), I've tried always to eat healthy and do all i could to BE healthy. yet the times I took the ativan in the ER helped so much that i slowly started taking it regularly at the behest of my doctors who freely wrote, and continue to write, the Rx for it....now it doesn't work at the dosage I take it, but i'm stuck taking it until I can wean off of it because the withdrawals from benzos terrify me, especially the possibility of seizures. But few doctors seem to care enough to LISTEN TO ME when I tell them I want OFF this med - they just tell me to keep taking it and 'we'll discuss it again at your next appointment'. I feel I am 'addicted' to the ativan right now because I can't just stop it cold turkey at thsi point, and how I fell into taking it was a slow process and was borne of the desperation to just feel better and stop some of the awful physical symptoms of anxiety. But I regret taking it now and wish Id never started.

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I feel like the path Prince traveled regarding painkillers is similar to my experience with ativan. I don't believe he ever wanted to reach the point he did, and I believe he wanted to stop taking those drugs but you find yourself in a hole very hard to climb out of, especially if you don't have the support system you need and you don't have people around you you can trust.

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All this is one of the many reasons I can't and would never judge Prince, and why I think some people need to employ a bit more compassion and also educate themselves about addiction/dependency in general and how it can happen to ANYONE.

as an aside, we (me and a family member) got off ativan but the trick is slowly and i mean down to a teeny tiny grain. But you need to talk to a dr. about it. Even though that is difficult. Drs. aren't always the most helpful on these things.

destinyc1 said:

makeadifference said:

I'm glad he left this world in the middle of such a loving, close friendship and not lonely. I'm sorry Judith has to bear the burden of "what if."

I'm now starting to wonder just how serious his hip pain really was. If she was so close to him, how did she not know he was in major pain? She said he moved "swiftly" and there was no evidence of hip pain. Also, the YouTuber .. Maya, I think her name was, who photographed Prince for his last album said the same thing .. no evidence of pain and that he moved swiftly in platform flip flops or something. Has there ever been footage of him hobbling? I'm wondering if somehow he got hooked on the painkillers but without the pain. The reason I bring this up is because it explains how he could have hid his addiction so well.

No footage - and I didn't see this recently. But when he did his Paisley Park show in October of 2009, it was very clear that something was wrong. He started the show fine - but from about the midpoint on, he was limping noticeably. I mean...to the point where his left foot was almost dragging. I remember thinking, "Wow - he really does have a hip problem." But he played three hours that night - including several encores.

Now obviously, that was a long time ago and his condition might have changed. But there was a point at which his movement was affected.

cindyt said:

as an aside, we (me and a family member) got off ativan but the trick is slowly and i mean down to a teeny tiny grain. But you need to talk to a dr. about it. Even though that is difficult. Drs. aren't always the most helpful on these things.

Hi cindyt -

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Thank you for your comment. I'm glad both you and your family member got off of ativan successfully and I appreciate that bit of hope for me. You're right about weaning off slowly and only a very, very small amount at a time; I've tried to research the weaning process on the internet as best I can and everything I've read says just what you said. But I understand I need to also be under a doctor's care and be monitored while I wean off and it's been frustrating because, like you said, doctors aren't always helpful about this kind of thing. It's like my docs don't have any other options to help me or something, so by default just tell me to keep taking the ativan even though it's not even helpful to me anymore wrt my anxiety symptoms.

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Thank you again for your encouraging comment. Good health to you, always.

yzarcog99 said:

Dolphinking23 said:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/arts/music/prince-death-judith-hill-plane.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

Also, who told them about it being an opiod overdose if there was only two people on the plane and Prince was overdosing and unable to speak? Doesn't that seem to point to it being known that he was taking opiods? The medics would not give a Narcon shot as a guess.

Actually, it's a pretty routine thing these days if they can't bring someone around.

PurpleMusic07 said:

cindyt said:

I'm not trying to start anything but the last person I saw have a seizure and I was sitting right in front of them and turned around and their eyes were fixated...that is exactly what happened. and then they fell on the ground and had a seizure.

This. This is what I was thinking as I read it. And the fact that it said when they landed he was awake so it seems was given the Narcan while awake and aware. Idk that u just come to on your own from an OD but you do from a seizure. So perhaps he was questioned privately by the medical And given the Narcan precaution .. so in that scenario Judith and Kirk still don't know [Edited 6/21/16 18:45pm]

The article didn't say that. It said he was awake and aware by the time they got to the hospital - not when they landed. They wouldn't have given him Narcan if he wasn't unconscious - there wouldn't have been any need for it.

rogifan said:

1Sasha said:

1. I have been saying all along: release the full autopsy report.

2. I don't think anyone should be saying anything until the investigation is completed. If people around Prince feel the need to lawyer up, then lawyer up.

3. I believe several people (on the payroll) have known the truth of his "self-medication" for years and, as with many celebrities, they have enabled their employer's addiction. Also, there are probably doctors in that group who have known and of course kept silent.

4. Remember when Britney Spears went off the rails and she was put in a hospital on a psych hold? A 5150? Why didn't anyone push to get Prince into treatment ASAP after the plane incident? I don't care that he was an adult or their employer or their patient: he was a danger to himself and needed to be treated.

You believe all this based on what, exactly? And with respect to #4, how do you know what people closest to him did or didn't do?

1 and 2 are self-explanatory. 3: Common sense to me. 4. Also common sense to me. The addict should not be in control, I don't care who he or she is.

Genesia said:

ACharmed1 said:

Something keeps nagging me about this which is why come out with this now? I mean I don't want no one to get me wrong I feel bad for her and I'm *kind of* glad we know a little bit more, but now with the catfight fight starting something feels off... Is she trying to allude to the fact that they were a couple? In that FB post she say's he told her "I just wanna take up all of Ur time" etc. I'm wondering if that was a line he threw out there (Like several women saying he told them TMBGITW was written for them) or what? She's going on tour and then she states that now she's only realizing how much she relied on him. Please say this ain't no PR stunt.

I agree.

PurpleMusic07 said:

Tresha68 said:

I feel the same way. I say this with no ill intent, but her FB post and this interview are so deeply emotional. Almost as if she was reading more into the relationship. I don't know how else to say it without coming across as flippant or disrespectful. Granted, grief has no textbook or guidelines. It just seems very odd to me. I hope she finds peace.

Perhaps a lot of fans are reading more into it. we are definitely socialized to equate deep emotional relartionships with the opposite sex as being romantic/sexual in nature. as a culture we have made the word "intimate" only refer to romantic relationships. I personally just get tthe vibe that they had a super close relationship. Period. COuld it have been romantic? Hell yeah. Platonic friends dont generally tell each other "i want to take up all your time and be the only one u hang out with".. But either way its none of our biz. shes hurting. whatever they were to each other he meant something to her and that matters. she deserves a massive hug. i hope she finds peace. i couldnt imagine losing my partner. and back in highschool had i lost the person that was my best friend i would have been crushed, we shared a highly intense emotional relationship - nothing romantic about it. its not abnormal to love deeply outside off a romantic relationship.

At 47 years old, I am well aware of deep friendships with the oppsite sex. I feel she read more into the relationship. Prince was notorious for shaping young, naive girls. I think she may have been the most naive. She seems like a sweet child, I think she spoke honestly from HER PERSPECTIVE.

I honestly do not think, anyone except Mayte and his parents have ever seen the stripped down version of P. In the last 20 years since he lost his son and allowed himself to lose Mayte, I don't think anyone was aware of Prince, the man. Perhaps, they saw snippets of it but to be truly stripped to the core...Nope.

I think he portrayed himself to these girls, in his flirtatious ways, but not necessarily a romanctic vibe. Damaris and Cat are the ONLY two to ever be honest and say it was nothing more than a close relationship. I have full respect for them. I just feel, Judith could have had better timing and left what were in her mind "the intimate" details out. This is just my opinion. I feel she did herself a diservice by doing so. I feel this child was madly in love with him and perhaps somewhat led on by him. Who do you blame? It happens.

I feel as if she was trying to gobble up some limelight. I think there may be some jealousy issues in these other women.

I just find it odd. Period.

StephanieThePisces said:

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Apparantly Kiran Sharma doesn't appreciate Judith's speaking out about the incident (that's how it seems to me, anyway)? https://twitter.com/KIKITkiran

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Shots Fired

why is Kirky ALWAYS lawyered up?????

I think that's key here. Judith Hill spoke about HER story -- it was something SHE experienced. It's not like she was repeating gossip she heard second hand. This incident is part of HER life (in the article, she talked a lot about how she felt because of it).

Everyone has a right to tell their own stories and their own truth however they want. I don't think anyone is obligated to censor their own story to "protect" someone else just because that other person is more famous. If they want to, fine. But it's not mandatory.

Tresha68 said:

I think she spoke honestly from HER PERSPECTIVE.

Allanya said:

StephanieThePisces said:

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Apparantly Kiran Sharma doesn't appreciate Judith's speaking out about the incident (that's how it seems to me, anyway)? https://twitter.com/KIKITkiran

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Shots Fired

that means dont expose the truth....mortals will tarnish his image and it will hinder the money machine

jumanji2016 said:

destinyc1 said:

BINGO! This entire thread makes me want to do cartwheels and scream 'Prince was 57! 57! 57! 57! 57! 5-7! 5-7!' He was old enough for AARP! He's considered a senior citizen at certain restaurants! Most 57-year-olds have aches and pains! This guy EVEN more so! People are acting so damn dense here.

You are kidding, right?

jumanji2016 said:

destinyc1 said:

BINGO! This entire thread makes me want to do cartwheels and scream 'Prince was 57! 57! 57! 57! 57! 5-7! 5-7!' He was old enough for AARP! He's considered a senior citizen at certain restaurants! Most 57-year-olds have aches and pains! This guy EVEN more so! People are acting so damn dense here.

Jumanji I have been saying exactly this forever. But people don't hear us tho. It's like they look at him and keep superimposing 25 year old Prince over the 57 year old he actually was.

destinyc1 said:

docinwestchester said:

Prominently placed "above the fold" in today's paper:

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The newspaper print edition text is identical to the online version:

http://www.nytimes.com/20...e&_r=1

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I'm not certain what information could be shared by the Moline health care team with non family, but perhaps Prince told his friends what he was told? Or what he wanted them to know.

This story also makes it clear that Prince was hospitalized overnight. They didn't return to PP until the next afternoon. The first accounts sounded like he received the Narcan injection and then left--but that was not true. Remember the story that there wasn't a private room available? Those ER docs were pulling blood and testing plus monitoring him for at least 10 hours, it seems, and those test results would have also gone to his PCP in Minneapolis.

It sounds like he was unconscious but breathing on the plane. No one was giving him CPR-I'd think Mr. Johnson would have some emergency training as part of his job. Dehydration was mentioned at one time, and perhaps that plus the other symptoms (vomiting etc.) that were reported for more than a month, contributed to his fainting (or what term they call it--did anyone say coma?)

Poor guy. At his age it could have been anything. Heart problems, low blood sugar, pre-diabetes, ulcers, you name it. I think early reports also mentioned anemia.

Perhaps his close friends and staff didn't know much even after he collapsed. Only what he told them. They wouldn't have known what to watch for if they didn't know he was struggling and only a couple people seem to have known anything about his struggles and they were not in the house. At least that's what we're reading.

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Blakbear said: