Addiction takes many forms. He needed help sooner. This could have been avoided.

Direct Cause, Decisive Cause, Root Cause, Amplifiers and Catalyst

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leadline said:

GirlBrother said:

rainbowchild said:

Some people are more susceptible to addiction-- whether it's drugs, alcohol, etc.-- than others. Wished he recognized he had a problem and took it seriously , especially what happened the week before his death when he was unconscious from overdose and had an emergency landing. He could have entered a rehab clinic.

Yeah. Addiction doesn't even have to be based upon an intake of chemicals though.

The euphoria some people feel from gambling, over-spending, or even religious ceremony can be just as addictive.

so sad...so very sad.

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And can I just say, I hate Thursdays now.

babynoz said:

mrwiggles said:

Am I the only one here to recognize this is not an official report? A law enforcement official who is not supposed to talk to the media, talks to the media. This is the same old same old we've been getting for several weeks. I don't trust the source and will hold judgment until the official report comes out.

You're not the only one. I'm witholding judgement too.

Agree. It's the same story over again, nothing new, nothing being added to it.

TweetyV6 said:

Direct Cause, Decisive Cause, Root Cause, Amplifiers and Catalyst

Now that it's confirmed that Prince's death is caused by an OD of Opioid painkillers, MSM describe this as 'The Cause'

But is that correct?
Partially.

In my job I do a lot of failure investigations. One thing we do are establising so called CAP's Corrective Action Plans. To draft such plan we need to doo a process analysis and root cause analysis. Without a decent definition of the root cause, I cannot prevent a failure from happening again. A simple way to get to the root cause is a so called '5 why' analysis in which you ask "why?" often enough until you get to the end where there's no decent answer possible anymore. At that point you have reached the root cause. This point is often reached at the 5th time asking "Why?"

If you now apply such Root Cause Analysis to Prince's death, I would come up with these results:

1) Why did he die of an OD?
Because he took painkillers (without supervision, but I'm not going down that brach, but you could)

2)Why did he take painkillers? -> Because he was in pain
3)Why was he in pain? -> becasuse he didn't have hip replacement

Here you can (and have to) split again
4a) Why didn't he have hip replacement? -> because his beliefs (JW doctrine) prohibited surgery with blood transfusion.

4b) Why was a hip replacement needed? -> his hips were worn out.
5) Why were his hips worn out? ->Because of his podium-acrobatics on high heels during concerts
Here you could ash why was he wearing high heels. The answer to that would be the real root cause. (Compensation for beïng short,possibly due to an inferiority complex about his height)

Direct Cause: The Opioid O.D. (now confirmed)
Decisive cause: JW Doctrine prohibiting surgery with blood transfusion.
Root Cause: Worn out hips
Catalyst or Amplifier: a possible inferiority complex about his height.

If you look at it rationally, the 'failure''s root cause was known (worn out hips).
But a corrective action would have been surgery.
This however was prevented due to his beliefs (IMHO brainwashing) in the JW doctrine.

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Except that your conclusion is based on the fact that he did not have surgery and you do not know that.

A conclusion can only be as good as the known facts and your knowldege is incomplete, therefore your conclusion is flawed.

Let's get out the pitchforks though.

I pretty much figured this would be the cause and I'm just glad that it didn't include anything else along with the opioid. You know, folks were trying to say he did cocaine and other stuff so I was praying none of that would be found nor true of our beloved Prince. Like others are saying, no matter how he died....it still hurts and cuts deeply that he is gone and left us here.

I still wake up each day hoping this was all just a dream that lasted too long. And sadly every day I learn it is not.

He's missed beyond measure.........

Yahoo is posting their story with this headline: "Official: Tests show Prince OD'd on opiods".

Nice - now everybody thinks it's "official". Thanks, Yahoo.

TweetyV6 said:

leadline said:

Unfortunately I am sure there is more to this that we will never know, a simple opiod overdose could have been confirmed to everyone a month ago.

Agreed

endiadj said:

what if it was as simple as chronic hip pain, he started taking pain meds, and overdosed? what if he had no underlying illness? we've heard several associates close to him over the years bring up the hip problem, so it's not like it was just invented.

I agree.

I don't see this as news. It's hearsay. Until the offical report is released, at least.

"The day before his death, Prince was treated by a local doctor for withdrawal symptoms from opioid addiction. The physician, Dr. Michael Todd Schulenberg, a family practitioner, treated Prince for fatigue, anemia and concerns about opiate withdrawal."

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Damn why was he riding his bike and not getting enough sleep. I feel guilty about enjoying the Atlanta shows so much now becuase he clearly wasn't up to them. Oh well he just made some mistakes and one of them was a fatal mistake. No one is perfect but it's so hard to take. But just shows how tenuous life is.

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I still can't believe he is gone. I have been listening to his music a lot (of course) and just seems like he is still here and just hurts to be faced with the hard truth again.

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kristy said:

Something else that didn't sit well with me, if I got sick enough on a plane to have to make a emergency stop believe me iam not leaving no hospital and iam slowing down until iam clear, I don't care if I start feeling a little bit better, that sick moment would have been a warning sign, I know prince was very much a show must go on man but your body gives warnings that plane ride was a warning his system was telling him something , it's just sad all the way around , sometimes we have to slow down

I agree.

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laurarichardson said:

leadline said:

Exactly, thank you for backing that up with some solid info.

--/ I think when we get the official report we are going to find he had other medical issues. He may have mixed the pain meds with other things. I have taken percocets and there is no why he could be bopping around on just those pills. Those percocets have you coma.

I take percs when my back flares up and they don't knock me out unless I lie down. It lessens the pain and I feel contented. I'm twice Prince's size though, so they could have affected him more than me.

endiadj said:

If this is to be believed, then the offical report would have to be in. So, it's either some law enforment person's conjecture, or the report is ready and they have been withholding it.

BanishedBrian said:

TweetyV6 said:

b.u.l.l.

Linn4days said:

Do you all have a boat load of questions running through your head? I do, here are some;

If it was truly an op/od, when did he start taking them?

Who perscribed them?

Were the doctors watching him for addiction?

Did he hide the fact that he might be taking too much?

Did he think that he will get it taken care of, but couldn't make the time with touring schedule?

Was his death a combination of things - exhaustion, medication, not eating, not sleeping?

Did his body just give up with all combined?

Did he take other medications and they were not supposed to be taken together?

Did the doctors give him too much dosage?

What was the timeline? He was there in the elevator for "6 hours" - found at 9:40. So death was at approx. 3:40? What time was he dropped off? What was his demeanor at that time? Edgy, tired, happy?

Why was he left alone if he had just come through this harrowing ordeal? ( do realize that you did what you were told if on the payroll - I don't think Prince messed around or minced his words)

Did he accidentally take too much - forget when his last dose was? Accidental overdose?

Did he end his life on purpose? Was he fighting depression as well?

From what I know, these drugs can make you do things out of character.

I know the 'full report" will be out tomorrow but I am not holding my breath to find out anything new.

Personally I find it hard to believe he was addicted - but not out of the realm of possibility I suppose. I think there is ALOT we don't know and may never know. But I do know one thing, he's still gone from us. And I am devestated and really mad! He didn't have a terminal illness that couldn't have been helped. He allegedly had a problem, a problem that could've been addressed and therfore a death that could've been prevented. My heart breaks for him, for his family and friends and for us. Thanks again for this site and all your help in answering questions, sharing pictures and stories and having lively, respectful conversations about our beloved Prince. Peace, Love and Healing to you all.

babynoz said: