I tried to stay out of this thread but I just saw something really disturbing to me and I think it needs to go here.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/24/counterfeit-prescription-pills-laced-deadly-opioid-fentanyl

Hundreds of thousands of counterfeit prescription pills laced with a deadly synthetic opioid have infiltrated the US drug market, according to the US Drug Enforcement Administration, with the problem expected to escalate.

The pills are pressed using pharmacy-grade machines to look like known prescription painkillers that an increasing number of Americans addicted to opioids seek to buy illegally. They contain various amounts of fentanyl – a synthetic drug between 50 and 100 times more powerful than morphine; even a few extra grains of the drug can prove deadly. Often law enforcement only determines they are counterfeit after they are taken to a laboratory for testing.

Potent, unregulated, and, to the untrained eye, indistinguishable from pharmacy grade medication, the counterfeit pills put people who use painkillers for non-medical purposes – 4.3 million in 2014, according to the last federal survey – at risk of accidentally taking a far more potent drug than intended, often with fatal consequences.

“It’s a huge concern. People don’t know what they are getting,” said the DEA spokesman Melvin Patterson, citing an uptick in accidental overdoses by unwitting users.

Yes, I'm wondering what the fuck if Prince didn't know he was taking fentanyl?

Thanks for the info. I have been an active member of a 12 step recovery program...this past May I celebrated 33 years of being clean and sober so I have lived it....I also have a family member on methadone for a good 8-10 years and she lived with me while she was using...so yes, I have some idea of the addiction cycle. Everyone, including me knew I had a problem. Addiction vs. dependence are two different things. Addiction runs your life...it is the voice that takes you to the gutter with no remorse while on the trip. Eventually, one's actions gives them selves away. I can't go with the speculation and media reports as easy as that would be. Just the other day Marie Claire-uk version (I think) of the magazine published an article that is so off and again mentions the AIDS version of P's death that they should have pulled it. I prefer so see the results of the official investigation if ever presented to the public (altho sealed records at this time). WHile steadfast about it being a violation of his privacy, Prince deserves at the least...the truth...whatever it may be. It will, however, not change my opinion of the flawed and lovely human being that he was.

laytonian said:

laurarichardson said:

AA1slot said: --- Co-sign. No sane person could think this person could work at his pace and have been long term recertional drug user. This had to be recent and could have been due to other health issues.

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Ever see "The Doctors" on TV?

Read this, from today's New York Times -- it describes the addiction of that well-known female determatologist (Cheryl Karcher) who was a regular on that show AND who had a successful practice at the same time. It also describes her symptoms:

http://www.nytimes.com/20...ogist.html
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laurarichardson said:

herb4 said:

high functioning addicts

--- Do you most high functioning addicts are taking Fentylnal? Do you think they are working 100 hour weeks!! Have you read interviews with the studio engineers who worked on his projects he was still putting in 3 day sessions and touring. He personal assistant from 2014-2015 said he put no less than a 100 hour week and she as 25 year old and she could not keep up. No reason for these people to lie estates can not sue and Prince is not writing any more checks. Tabloids would pay big money for drug stories. Read the autobiographies of Miles Davis, Rick James, and George Clinton. The first that they were not able to do was work on music because they spent every waking moment obtaining drugs or being high. You believe he was a 20 year drug user because that is what you want to believe. I have no comment about smear tactics and Obama. [Edited 7/24/16 12:42pm]

Why don't you settle down? You're all over the fucking place.

You said categorically that drug users and addicts can't function at I said and I said that's not true. I didn't say Prince was a lifelong drug user. I said that using prescription pain meds wouldn't preclude him from functioning at a high level. The people you cited (Miles, Rick James and George Clinton) were using crack, heroin, coke and all sorts of stuff. I've read two of the three books autobiographies you mentioned also so there's that. I wasn't saying Prince was in the same place as them at all.

Then I went on to explain why it's ridiculous to think that anyone would want to posthumously smear Prince and cited a lot of other prominent, positive, famous black people in rebuttal to your assertion that "you can count on one hand" the number of positive examples of media portrayals of black people and I offered about 50 examples of how it's not so, even while acknowledging that black celebrities don't always get a fair shake. You seem to have your mind up that since Prince is black and "they" are out to get black people that "they" just make shit up to smear a famous black guy who died.


Then, instead of addressing anything I wrote, you not only put words in my mouth and ignored my examples that counter your argument (that the circumstances surrounding the reporting on Prince's death were racially motivated), but actually went ahead and rebutted an argument I never even made, which is rather astonishing. Lastly, using more exclamtion points doesn't make you any more correct either, especially when you use them to punctuate a question. It just makes you sound more crazy.

Plain and simple: what's to be gained by anyone trying to "smear" Prince beyond the sensationalistic nature of selling papers?

purplethunder3121 said:

Since when was Obama called a drug addict?!

I'm still not sure what she was ranting about, especially since she ignored every relevant point I made.

All I said was that people can use drugs in moderation, sometimes even be addicts, and can still function at a remarkably high level. But apparently someone up the chain has a vested interest in making sure that Prince has to come off as a strung out junkie for reasons I still can't ascertain and it's all some conspiracy by The Man. Sure, it's sensationalistic to report all that shit and it sells, but the poster I was responding to seemed to be alluding to some sort of weird "smear" campaign against Prince just to "bring down a black guy down" and I find that absurd.

[Edited 7/24/16 14:41pm]

this is purely my opinion, but I believe that people who insist that P died of AIDS are the same people, whether they liked his music or not, have always felt some type of way about his sxual ambiguity (and assumed he was either gay or at least bisexual thereby presumably high risk for getting HIV).

I believe they secretly hope that there will be an announcement that P died of AIDs so they can finally feel validated and be able to say, "Aha! I always KNEW it!"

I would like to know this: How many people in this forum believe Judith Hill's recollection of events on that plane, at the hospital, and any additional statements she made concerning Prince/Prince's staff getting help? Did she have an agenda too? Help from what? His hip pain? He was already getting "help" for that , no? Prince was getting cortisone shots in his knee as far back as 2001. He was "helped" plenty for pain in general.

herb4 said:

laurarichardson said:

herb4 said: --- Do you most high functioning addicts are taking Fentylnal? Do you think they are working 100 hour weeks!! Have you read interviews with the studio engineers who worked on his projects he was still putting in 3 day sessions and touring. He personal assistant from 2014-2015 said he put no less than a 100 hour week and she as 25 year old and she could not keep up. No reason for these people to lie estates can not sue and Prince is not writing any more checks. Tabloids would pay big money for drug stories. Read the autobiographies of Miles Davis, Rick James, and George Clinton. The first that they were not able to do was work on music because they spent every waking moment obtaining drugs or being high. You believe he was a 20 year drug user because that is what you want to believe. I have no comment about smear tactics and Obama. [Edited 7/24/16 12:42pm]

Why don't you settle down? You're all over the fucking place.

You said categorically that drug users and addicts can't function at I said and I said that's not true. I didn't say Prince was a lifelong drug user. I said that using prescription pain meds wouldn't preclude him from functioning at a high level. The people you cited (Miles, Rick James and George Clinton) were using crack, heroin, coke and all sorts of stuff. I've read two of the three books autobiographies you mentioned also so there's that. I wasn't saying Prince was in the same place as them at all.

Then I went on to explain why it's ridiculous to think that anyone would want to posthumously smear Prince and cited a lot of other prominent, positive, famous black people in rebuttal to your assertion that "you can count on one hand" the number of positive examples of media portrayals of black people and I offered about 50 examples of how it's not so, even while acknowledging that black celebrities don't always get a fair shake. You seem to have your mind up that since Prince is black and "they" are out to get black people that "they" just make shit up to smear a famous black guy who died.


Then, instead of addressing anything I wrote, you not only put words in my mouth and ignored my examples that counter your argument (that the circumstances surrounding the reporting on Prince's death were racially motivated), but actually went ahead and rebutted an argument I never even made, which is rather astonishing. Lastly, using more exclamtion points doesn't make you any more correct either, especially when you use them to punctuate a question. It just makes you sound more crazy.

Plain and simple: what's to be gained by anyone trying to "smear" Prince beyond the sensationalistic nature of selling papers?

4. Prevent militant black nationalist groups and leaders from gaining RESPECTABILITY, by discrediting them to three separate segments of the community. The goal of discrediting black nationalists must be handled tactically in three ways. You must discredit those groups and individuals to, first, the responsible Negro community. Second, they must be discredited to the white community, both the responsible community and to "liberals" who have vestiges of sympathy for militant black nationalist simply because they are Negroes. Third, these groups must be discredited in the eyes of Negro radicals, the followers of the movement. This last area requires entirely different tactics from the first two. Publicity about violent tendencies and radical statements merely enhances black nationalists to the last group; it adds "respectability" in a different way.

March 3, 1968 FBI MEMO KNOWN AS PREVENT THE RISE OF THE BLACK MESSIAH MEMO

Instead of viewing Prince as a artist who fought to gain his music back we have folk who think he was a drug addict.

Instead of the man on the street remembering Prince as a musician that gave millions to charitible organizations he is remembered as someone with AIDS.

Instead of being remembered as one of the greatest musicians of all times people think he killed himself.

That's what Griffin was saying when no one is getting out of Hollywood clean.

Menes said:

I would like to know this: How many people in this forum believe Judith Hill's recollection of events on that plane, at the hospital, and any additional statements she made concerning Prince/Prince's staff getting help?

I believe her. Why wouldn't I?

Menes said:

I would like to know this: How many people in this forum believe Judith Hill's recollection of events on that plane, at the hospital, and any additional statements she made concerning Prince/Prince's staff getting help? Did she have an agenda too? Help from what? His hip pain? He was already getting "help" for that , no? Prince was getting cortisone shots in his knee as far back as 2001. He was "helped" plenty for pain in general.

.

Do you have a source for the Cortisone shots?

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The only mention of that here is a City Pages article that was making up excuses for a show starting late (praying with Larry in a limo, cortisone shots, etc). They were NOT claiming they were telling the truth; the entire article was making fun of P's early conversion to religion.

http://prince.org/msg/7/104176?pr

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I do believe what Judith Hill said.
She's probably had to tell the same thing to investigators, so will keep her story straight. The reporters easily found out who was on the plane and sought her out.

Did she give a detailed, minute-by-minute expose? No.

She is not requied to do so.

.

[Edited 7/24/16 16:22pm]

muleFunk said:

herb4 said:

Why don't you settle down? You're all over the fucking place.

You said categorically that drug users and addicts can't function at I said and I said that's not true. I didn't say Prince was a lifelong drug user. I said that using prescription pain meds wouldn't preclude him from functioning at a high level. The people you cited (Miles, Rick James and George Clinton) were using crack, heroin, coke and all sorts of stuff. I've read two of the three books autobiographies you mentioned also so there's that. I wasn't saying Prince was in the same place as them at all.

Then I went on to explain why it's ridiculous to think that anyone would want to posthumously smear Prince and cited a lot of other prominent, positive, famous black people in rebuttal to your assertion that "you can count on one hand" the number of positive examples of media portrayals of black people and I offered about 50 examples of how it's not so, even while acknowledging that black celebrities don't always get a fair shake. You seem to have your mind up that since Prince is black and "they" are out to get black people that "they" just make shit up to smear a famous black guy who died.


Then, instead of addressing anything I wrote, you not only put words in my mouth and ignored my examples that counter your argument (that the circumstances surrounding the reporting on Prince's death were racially motivated), but actually went ahead and rebutted an argument I never even made, which is rather astonishing. Lastly, using more exclamtion points doesn't make you any more correct either, especially when you use them to punctuate a question. It just makes you sound more crazy.

Plain and simple: what's to be gained by anyone trying to "smear" Prince beyond the sensationalistic nature of selling papers?

4. Prevent militant black nationalist groups and leaders from gaining RESPECTABILITY, by discrediting them to three separate segments of the community. The goal of discrediting black nationalists must be handled tactically in three ways. You must discredit those groups and individuals to, first, the responsible Negro community. Second, they must be discredited to the white community, both the responsible community and to "liberals" who have vestiges of sympathy for militant black nationalist simply because they are Negroes. Third, these groups must be discredited in the eyes of Negro radicals, the followers of the movement. This last area requires entirely different tactics from the first two. Publicity about violent tendencies and radical statements merely enhances black nationalists to the last group; it adds "respectability" in a different way.

March 3, 1968 FBI MEMO KNOWN AS PREVENT THE RISE OF THE BLACK MESSIAH MEMO

Instead of viewing Prince as a artist who fought to gain his music back we have folk who think he was a drug addict.

Instead of the man on the street remembering Prince as a musician that gave millions to charitible organizations he is remembered as someone with AIDS.

Instead of being remembered as one of the greatest musicians of all times people think he killed himself.

That's what Griffin was saying when no one is getting out of Hollywood clean.

Are you serious? Prince was a "black militant" now? You're citing shit from 1968 on top of it. Hardly anyone even gave a shit about Prince since 1990 or so and suddenly, in 2016, he's a prominent black leader and a threat that needs taking out and whos reputation needs destroying? You've got to be fucking kidding me. I rattled of 10 or 20 famous white people who died of similar circumstances and even left off several obvious ones. Did "they" kill Elvis, Morrison, Joplin, Cobain and Brian Jones too? All white people.

When he died, the outpouring of support and the majority of the media coverage was overwhelmingly positive. You honestly think "The Man" and his illuminati co-conspirators set some stupid plan in motion to posthumously smear Prince's legacy because he was just oh so so fucking dangerous?

Look, I loved Prince too and it sucks that he died the way he did and, while we may not know everything, I think it's safe to say we know ENOUGH to get a general idea.

Some of the people posting on this site come off as absolute lunatics who've lost their god damned minds and need to put down whatever it is they're drinking or smoking. You sound like moon landing hoaxers, Area 51 nuts and 9/11 truthers.

Prince died of an accidental drug overdose, likely brought about by a dependence on pain killers. Period. Whether there was an underlying medical issue going on with him, like cancer, we don't know and that information, thank God, is kept private and is a personal matter having to do with the immediate family. What the fuck is to be gained by "The Man" if it came out that Prince did indeed have AIDS? Did it help them or tarnish the legacy of Freddy Mercury, Rock Hudson or even Magic Johnson? Give me a fucking break some of you, please.

Whoever it was that said "a little bit of information is a dangerous thing" knew what he was talking about.

laytonian said:

Menes said:

I would like to know this: How many people in this forum believe Judith Hill's recollection of events on that plane, at the hospital, and any additional statements she made concerning Prince/Prince's staff getting help? Did she have an agenda too? Help from what? His hip pain? He was already getting "help" for that , no? Prince was getting cortisone shots in his knee as far back as 2001. He was "helped" plenty for pain in general.

.

Do you have a source for the Cortisone shots?

.

The only mention of that here is a City Pages article that was making up excuses for a show starting late (praying with Larry in a limo, cortisone shots, etc). They were NOT claiming they were telling the truth; the entire article was making fun of P's early conversion to religion.

http://prince.org/msg/7/104176?pr

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I do believe what Judith Hill said.
She's probably had to tell the same thing to investigators, so will keep her story straight. The reporters easily found out who was on the plane and sought her out.

Did she give a detailed, minute-by-minute expose? No.

She is not requied to do so.

.

[Edited 7/24/16 16:22pm]

1.I think it was Jim Walsh who wrote that article . He was an extreme hardcore reporter/fan from the beginning that disagreed with some things and praised others. Hw has a lot of articles about Prince, most are positive. Farily even handed.

2. Is anything in her recollection hinting that he may have had a problem with something other than chronic pain? Do you think she's assuming?

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

herb4 said:

muleFunk said:

4. Prevent militant black nationalist groups and leaders from gaining RESPECTABILITY, by discrediting them to three separate segments of the community. The goal of discrediting black nationalists must be handled tactically in three ways. You must discredit those groups and individuals to, first, the responsible Negro community. Second, they must be discredited to the white community, both the responsible community and to "liberals" who have vestiges of sympathy for militant black nationalist simply because they are Negroes. Third, these groups must be discredited in the eyes of Negro radicals, the followers of the movement. This last area requires entirely different tactics from the first two. Publicity about violent tendencies and radical statements merely enhances black nationalists to the last group; it adds "respectability" in a different way.

March 3, 1968 FBI MEMO KNOWN AS PREVENT THE RISE OF THE BLACK MESSIAH MEMO

Instead of viewing Prince as a artist who fought to gain his music back we have folk who think he was a drug addict.

Instead of the man on the street remembering Prince as a musician that gave millions to charitible organizations he is remembered as someone with AIDS.

Instead of being remembered as one of the greatest musicians of all times people think he killed himself.

That's what Griffin was saying when no one is getting out of Hollywood clean.

Are you serious? Prince was a "black militant" now? You're citing shit from 1968 on top of it. Hardly anyone even gave a shit about Prince since 1990 or so and suddenly, in 2016, he's a prominent black leader and a threat that needs taking out and whos reputation needs destroying? You've got to be fucking kidding me. I rattled of 10 or 20 famous white people who died of similar circumstances and even left off several obvious ones. Did "they" kill Elvis, Morrison, Joplin, Cobain and Brian Jones too? All white people.

When he died, the outpouring of support and the majority of the media coverage was overwhelmingly positive. You honestly think "The Man" and his illuminati co-conspirators set some stupid plan in motion to posthumously smear Prince's legacy because he was just oh so so fucking dangerous?

Look, I loved Prince too and it sucks that he died the way he did and, while we may not know everything, I think it's safe to say we know ENOUGH to get a general idea.

Some of the people posting on this site come off as absolute lunatics who've lost their god damned minds and need to put down whatever it is they're drinking or smoking. You sound like moon landing hoaxers, Area 51 nuts and 9/11 truthers.

Prince died of an accidental drug overdose, likely brought about by a dependence on pain killers. Period. Whether there was an underlying medical issue going on with him, like cancer, we don't know and that information, thank God, is kept private and is a personal matter having to do with the immediate family. What the fuck is to be gained by "The Man" if it came out that Prince did indeed have AIDS? Did it help them or tarnish the legacy of Freddy Mercury, Rock Hudson or even Magic Johnson? Give me a fucking break some of you, please.

Whoever it was that said "a little bit of information is a dangerous thing" knew what he was talking about.

OK.

Why don't you settle down. Cursing is not needed.

Prince did write Dear Mr. Man, Colonized Mind, Dreamer, Lavaux, Family Name, Baltimore that kinda puts you in the Black militant catagory.

I'm not saying they killed him but I am saying they are raking his name through the coals.

That's a smear in case you didn't know.

herb4 said:

muleFunk said:

4. Prevent militant black nationalist groups and leaders from gaining RESPECTABILITY, by discrediting them to three separate segments of the community. The goal of discrediting black nationalists must be handled tactically in three ways. You must discredit those groups and individuals to, first, the responsible Negro community. Second, they must be discredited to the white community, both the responsible community and to "liberals" who have vestiges of sympathy for militant black nationalist simply because they are Negroes. Third, these groups must be discredited in the eyes of Negro radicals, the followers of the movement. This last area requires entirely different tactics from the first two. Publicity about violent tendencies and radical statements merely enhances black nationalists to the last group; it adds "respectability" in a different way.

March 3, 1968 FBI MEMO KNOWN AS PREVENT THE RISE OF THE BLACK MESSIAH MEMO

Instead of viewing Prince as a artist who fought to gain his music back we have folk who think he was a drug addict.

Instead of the man on the street remembering Prince as a musician that gave millions to charitible organizations he is remembered as someone with AIDS.

Instead of being remembered as one of the greatest musicians of all times people think he killed himself.

That's what Griffin was saying when no one is getting out of Hollywood clean.

Are you serious? Prince was a "black militant" now? You're citing shit from 1968 on top of it. Hardly anyone even gave a shit about Prince since 1990 or so and suddenly, in 2016, he's a prominent black leader and a threat that needs taking out and whos reputation needs destroying? You've got to be fucking kidding me. I rattled of 10 or 20 famous white people who died of similar circumstances and even left off several obvious ones. Did "they" kill Elvis, Morrison, Joplin, Cobain and Brian Jones too? All white people.

When he died, the outpouring of support and the majority of the media coverage was overwhelmingly positive. You honestly think "The Man" and his illuminati co-conspirators set some stupid plan in motion to posthumously smear Prince's legacy because he was just oh so so fucking dangerous?

Look, I loved Prince too and it sucks that he died the way he did and, while we may not know everything, I think it's safe to say we know ENOUGH to get a general idea.

Some of the people posting on this site come off as absolute lunatics who've lost their god damned minds and need to put down whatever it is they're drinking or smoking. You sound like moon landing hoaxers, Area 51 nuts and 9/11 truthers.

Prince died of an accidental drug overdose, likely brought about by a dependence on pain killers. Period. Whether there was an underlying medical issue going on with him, like cancer, we don't know and that information, thank God, is kept private and is a personal matter having to do with the immediate family. What the fuck is to be gained by "The Man" if it came out that Prince did indeed have AIDS? Did it help them or tarnish the legacy of Freddy Mercury, Rock Hudson or even Magic Johnson? Give me a fucking break some of you, please.

Whoever it was that said "a little bit of information is a dangerous thing" knew what he was talking about.

They did similar things to those folks as well.

Read The Covert War on Rock.

I feel pretty certain the problem Prince had that Judith Hill was concerned about was opioid addiction.

What led to his addiction -- treatment for physical pain, self-medicating emotional pain -- doesn't matter. The physical danger of addiction is the same in either case.

laytonian said:

Menes said:

I would like to know this: How many people in this forum believe Judith Hill's recollection of events on that plane, at the hospital, and any additional statements she made concerning Prince/Prince's staff getting help? Did she have an agenda too? Help from what? His hip pain? He was already getting "help" for that , no? Prince was getting cortisone shots in his knee as far back as 2001. He was "helped" plenty for pain in general.

.

Do you have a source for the Cortisone shots?

.

The only mention of that here is a City Pages article that was making up excuses for a show starting late (praying with Larry in a limo, cortisone shots, etc). They were NOT claiming they were telling the truth; the entire article was making fun of P's early conversion to religion.

http://prince.org/msg/7/104176?pr

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I do believe what Judith Hill said.
She's probably had to tell the same thing to investigators, so will keep her story straight. The reporters easily found out who was on the plane and sought her out.

Did she give a detailed, minute-by-minute expose? No.

She is not requied to do so.

.

[Edited 7/24/16 16:22pm]

muleFunk said:

herb4 said:

Are you serious? Prince was a "black militant" now? You're citing shit from 1968 on top of it. Hardly anyone even gave a shit about Prince since 1990 or so and suddenly, in 2016, he's a prominent black leader and a threat that needs taking out and whos reputation needs destroying? You've got to be fucking kidding me. I rattled of 10 or 20 famous white people who died of similar circumstances and even left off several obvious ones. Did "they" kill Elvis, Morrison, Joplin, Cobain and Brian Jones too? All white people.

When he died, the outpouring of support and the majority of the media coverage was overwhelmingly positive. You honestly think "The Man" and his illuminati co-conspirators set some stupid plan in motion to posthumously smear Prince's legacy because he was just oh so so fucking dangerous?

Look, I loved Prince too and it sucks that he died the way he did and, while we may not know everything, I think it's safe to say we know ENOUGH to get a general idea.

Some of the people posting on this site come off as absolute lunatics who've lost their god damned minds and need to put down whatever it is they're drinking or smoking. You sound like moon landing hoaxers, Area 51 nuts and 9/11 truthers.

Prince died of an accidental drug overdose, likely brought about by a dependence on pain killers. Period. Whether there was an underlying medical issue going on with him, like cancer, we don't know and that information, thank God, is kept private and is a personal matter having to do with the immediate family. What the fuck is to be gained by "The Man" if it came out that Prince did indeed have AIDS? Did it help them or tarnish the legacy of Freddy Mercury, Rock Hudson or even Magic Johnson? Give me a fucking break some of you, please.

Whoever it was that said "a little bit of information is a dangerous thing" knew what he was talking about.

OK.

Why don't you settle down. Cursing is not needed.

Prince did write Dear Mr. Man, Colonized Mind, Dreamer, Lavaux, Family Name, Baltimore that kinda puts you in the Black militant catagory.

I'm not saying they killed him but I am saying they are raking his name through the coals.

That's a smear in case you didn't know.

Herb said" Prince died of an accidental drug overdose, likely brought about by a dependence on pain killers". I agree with this wholeheartedly. Whether that means he was a "junkie", "dopesick" or a "fiend" , or looked "sick",is up for interpretation. I know what I saw and he didn't look like he had the "flu". One thing is for certain is that a person/patient can, and have, develop a dependence to opioids in very short order. There are numerous scientific studies supporting that fentanyl dependence can happen at anytime. There are also studies that support that many patients function normally while being administered fentanyl daily and resume their daily lives for over extended periods of time. I saved the studies just in case. Its not like he was performing every singe night. He would go long stretches where we didn't see him. How many concerts did he have in 2015? 2016? How many days did the public have access to Prince to monitor physical/psychological changes?

Unless the (ME) is a bold faced liar who also had an "agenda"to save Prince's brand, her report clearly states that there were no other significant conditions that would permit her to add any additional information. In other words, he was not suffering from Cancer, Aids, or a chronic injury that would have caused death. The question is, is it the entire story or was it that she released only that what is required by law to be released?

leecaldon said:

pyramidseye said:

Was there no alternative to taking opioids? Like a surgery that would once and for all end his pains? 😢😢😢

Suregery can be very successful but there is no guarantee. He could have had the surgery back in 2010/11 and still been in pain.

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Prince DID have (some kind of) hip surgery in 2010. It was confirmed in the Washington Post, shortly thereafter.

Please see this thread:

http://prince.org/msg/7/429819

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Menes said:

laytonian said:

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Do you have a source for the Cortisone shots?

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The only mention of that here is a City Pages article that was making up excuses for a show starting late (praying with Larry in a limo, cortisone shots, etc). They were NOT claiming they were telling the truth; the entire article was making fun of P's early conversion to religion.

http://prince.org/msg/7/104176?pr

.

I do believe what Judith Hill said.
She's probably had to tell the same thing to investigators, so will keep her story straight. The reporters easily found out who was on the plane and sought her out.

Did she give a detailed, minute-by-minute expose? No.

She is not requied to do so.

.

[Edited 7/24/16 16:22pm]

1.I think it was Jim Walsh who wrote that article . He was an extreme hardcore reporter/fan from the beginning that disagreed with some things and praised others. Hw has a lot of articles about Prince, most are positive. Farily even handed.

2. Is anything in her recollection hinting that he may have had a problem with something other than chronic pain? Do you think she's assuming?

.

I was only asking for a legitimate source for the cortizone injections claim, since that story is not. As I said, they were making what they thought were funny excuses for a late opening.

. Because a cortizone injection doesn't work instantaneously, it makes no sense that he'd be given one shortly before a performance, because those injections are made into a joint and are very painful.

Yes, I did search. I came up empty. I just think everyone should be very careful with claims and check them before posting. I know I've had some "memories" that turned out to be unsupportable.
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[Edited 7/24/16 18:52pm]

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

laytonian said:

Menes said:

1.I think it was Jim Walsh who wrote that article . He was an extreme hardcore reporter/fan from the beginning that disagreed with some things and praised others. Hw has a lot of articles about Prince, most are positive. Farily even handed.

2. Is anything in her recollection hinting that he may have had a problem with something other than chronic pain? Do you think she's assuming?

.

I was only asking for a legitimate source for the cortizone injections claim, since that story is not. As I said, they were making what they thought were funny excuses for a late opening.

. Because a cortizone injection doesn't work instantaneously, it makes no sense that he'd be given one shortly before a performance, because those injections are made into a joint and are very painful.

Yes, I did search. I came up empty. I just think everyone should be very careful with claims and check them before posting. I know I've had some "memories" that turned out to be unsupportable.
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1.That's a fair point. It may have been a rumor. Good call.

2. To my second question, is (JH) hinting that he may have had a problem with something other than chroninc pain, or was she just assuming it was something else?

My experience with a 6-9 month usage of fentanyl (can’t recall exact number of wretchedness) sounds very similar to what P was going through for months from the various accounts I've read. I don’t know if anyone would want to read this but it’s a good quantitative analysis of the adverse effects (including death) from the usage of fentanyl. There is a summary of the 21 contributing factors which demonstrates the complexity of the usage of this medication. One important factor is drug metabolism because the variability in drug responses between individuals is a major problem leading to therapeutic failure or adverse effects. About 80% of all drugs are affected by the cytochrome P450 3A4 isozyme. My pain management doctor took a cheek swab and did DNA genotyping analysis of P450 (via the Mayo Clinic) on all his patients to determine how fast they metabolized medications. I don’t know another doctor who does this detailed level of analysis to craft individual plans for patients. Sadly, he retired at the end of April but I can only think that P wouldn't have died if he had seen this doctor months ago (I wish I had seen him before those fentanyl months).Yes, P would have needed to stay in the Bay Area for a while but there is privacy and he could done some concerts in Oakland and no one would have questioned why he was here.

http://www.intmedsafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/FentanylPatchesReport.pdf

Jessica55 said:

herb4 said:

Some of the people posting on this site come off as absolute lunatics who've lost their god damned minds and need to put down whatever it is they're drinking or smoking. You sound like moon landing hoaxers, Area 51 nuts and 9/11 truthers.

There's been a thread or two about what will become of the org, and all I could think when I read them is that left to its own devices, it will just be a more expansive version of the never-ending MJ sticky. Even if every scrap of autopsy and investigatory data were to be released, it would be just more fuel for the fire, more data to doubt, twist, and shade, more people who are lying for the most far-fetched of reasons, because "No matter what anyone says, I will never believe...

Menes said:

I would like to know this: How many people in this forum believe Judith Hill's recollection of events on that plane, at the hospital, and any additional statements she made concerning Prince/Prince's staff getting help? Did she have an agenda too? Help from what? His hip pain? He was already getting "help" for that , no? Prince was getting cortisone shots in his knee as far back as 2001. He was "helped" plenty for pain in general.

Why would she lie.

why would she have an agenda.

I thought what she said sounded feasible.

Its probably not totally unusual but considering how bad things got on that plane trip I am a bit suprised that those close to Prince and those who knew about that plane trip situation didnt ensure a better eye was kept on him so to speak. However Im sure thats much easier said than done, perhaps people thought things were gonna get better. Anyway in hindsight that Plane trip situation was very indicative of how serious the issue was.

Menes said:

I would like to know this: How many people in this forum believe Judith Hill's recollection of events on that plane, at the hospital, and any additional statements she made concerning Prince/Prince's staff getting help? Did she have an agenda too? Help from what? His hip pain? He was already getting "help" for that , no? Prince was getting cortisone shots in his knee as far back as 2001. He was "helped" plenty for pain in general.

I can't get past people who decide they have something to say when it coincides with self promotion.

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herb4 said:

LBrent said:

laytonian said:

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