Menes said:

Menes said:

Herb said" Prince died of an accidental drug overdose, likely brought about by a dependence on pain killers".

.

Plus perhaps some lack of discipline, lack of knowedge, lack of control, lack of prescription drugs or perhaps even of a decent doctor that explains everything thoroughly. Mr Prince should have been able to afford one...!!

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

Herb said" Prince died of an accidental drug overdose, likely brought about by a dependence on pain killers". I agree with this wholeheartedly. Whether that means he was a "junkie", "dopesick" or a "fiend" , or looked "sick",is up for interpretation. I know what I saw and he didn't look like he had the "flu". One thing is for certain is that a person/patient can, and have, develop a dependence to opioids in very short order. There are numerous scientific studies supporting that fentanyl dependence can happen at anytime. There are also studies that support that many patients function normally while being administered fentanyl daily and resume their daily lives for over extended periods of time. I saved the studies just in case. Its not like he was performing every singe night. He would go long stretches where we didn't see him. How many concerts did he have in 2015? 2016? How many days did the public have access to Prince to monitor physical/psychological changes?

Unless the (ME) is a bold faced liar who also had an "agenda"to save Prince's brand, her report clearly states that there were no other significant conditions that would permit her to add any additional information. In other words, he was not suffering from Cancer, Aids, or a chronic injury that would have caused death. The question is, is it the entire story or was it that she released only that what is required by law to be released?

--- Two things tell me you are uninformed. First, the ME can only put out a short report to the public. The long report is given to the family so we have no idea what other medical issues Prince had and will only know if the family makes it public. So we really do not know the whole story. The second thing withdrawals from pain killers cause flu like sypthoms which can go on for six months to a year. Sometimes the sypthoms can actually turn into the flu. The pain pills can also cause organ damage. We know Prince was waiting on test results from Dr. S and we know he did not need test to tell him if he was dealing with addition or withdrawals. Sometimes a little common sense can go along. [Edited 7/25/16 8:13am] [Edited 7/25/16 8:14am] [Edited 7/25/16 8:14am]

Everyone is uninformed who doesn't agree with "Laura"." Laura" attacks each post that she doesn't agree with because "Laura" believes that everything she disagrees with , is wrong, absurd, and should be classified as false. "Laura" believes that a little common sense can go a long way because she doesn't agree with you. Arguing with "Laura" is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird is going to sh*t on the board and strut around like it won anyway.

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

Menes said: --- Two things tell me you are uninformed. First, the ME can only put out a short report to the public. The long report is given to the family so we have no idea what other medical issues Prince had and will only know if the family makes it public. So we really do not know the whole story. The second thing withdrawals from pain killers cause flu like sypthoms which can go on for six months to a year. Sometimes the sypthoms can actually turn into the flu. The pain pills can also cause organ damage. We know Prince was waiting on test results from Dr. S and we know he did not need test to tell him if he was dealing with addition or withdrawals. Sometimes a little common sense can go along. [Edited 7/25/16 8:13am] [Edited 7/25/16 8:14am] [Edited 7/25/16 8:14am]

Everyone is uninformed who doesn't agree with "Laura"." Laura" attacks each post that she doesn't agree with because "Laura" believes that everything she disagrees with , is wrong, absurd, and should be classified as false. "Laura" believes that a little common sense can go a long way because she doesn't agree with you. Arguing with "Laura" is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird is going to sh*t on the board and strut around like it won anyway.

Well, that would be fine if she addressed the content of my arguments as well as my questions instead of creating strawmen by attributing to me statements and assertions I never even made.

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

Menes said: --- Two things tell me you are uninformed. First, the ME can only put out a short report to the public. The long report is given to the family so we have no idea what other medical issues Prince had and will only know if the family makes it public. So we really do not know the whole story. The second thing withdrawals from pain killers cause flu like sypthoms which can go on for six months to a year. Sometimes the sypthoms can actually turn into the flu. The pain pills can also cause organ damage. We know Prince was waiting on test results from Dr. S and we know he did not need test to tell him if he was dealing with addition or withdrawals. Sometimes a little common sense can go along. [Edited 7/25/16 8:13am] [Edited 7/25/16 8:14am] [Edited 7/25/16 8:14am]

Everyone is uninformed who doesn't agree with "Laura"." Laura" attacks each post that she doesn't agree with because "Laura" believes that everything she disagrees with , is wrong, absurd, and should be classified as false. "Laura" believes that a little common sense can go a long way because she doesn't agree with you. Arguing with "Laura" is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird is going to sh*t on the board and strut around like it won anyway.

Not everyone all the time is wrong on all topics. In this case just you. As you are just uniformed about the ME report and the effects of opioid withdrawal perhaps because you do not know how to Goggle or because you already have your mind made up as to how this situation played out without official investigation being concluded. Tell me if anything I just typed is wrong. You need to get your ego under control we all are wrong sometimes.

[Edited 7/25/16 11:02am]

herb4 said:

Menes said:

Everyone is uninformed who doesn't agree with "Laura"." Laura" attacks each post that she doesn't agree with because "Laura" believes that everything she disagrees with , is wrong, absurd, and should be classified as false. "Laura" believes that a little common sense can go a long way because she doesn't agree with you. Arguing with "Laura" is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird is going to sh*t on the board and strut around like it won anyway.

Well, that would be fine if she addressed the content of my arguments as well as my questions instead of creating strawmen by attributing to me statements and assertions I never even made.

I be back for you.

herb4 said:

laurarichardson said:

herb4 said: --- Do you most high functioning addicts are taking Fentylnal? Do you think they are working 100 hour weeks!! Have you read interviews with the studio engineers who worked on his projects he was still putting in 3 day sessions and touring. He personal assistant from 2014-2015 said he put no less than a 100 hour week and she as 25 year old and she could not keep up. No reason for these people to lie estates can not sue and Prince is not writing any more checks. Tabloids would pay big money for drug stories. Read the autobiographies of Miles Davis, Rick James, and George Clinton. The first that they were not able to do was work on music because they spent every waking moment obtaining drugs or being high. You believe he was a 20 year drug user because that is what you want to believe. I have no comment about smear tactics and Obama. [Edited 7/24/16 12:42pm]

Why don't you settle down? You're all over the fucking place.

You said categorically that drug users and addicts can't function at I said and I said that's not true. I didn't say Prince was a lifelong drug user. I said that using prescription pain meds wouldn't preclude him from functioning at a high level. The people you cited (Miles, Rick James and George Clinton) were using crack, heroin, coke and all sorts of stuff. I've read two of the three books autobiographies you mentioned also so there's that. I wasn't saying Prince was in the same place as them at all.

Then I went on to explain why it's ridiculous to think that anyone would want to posthumously smear Prince and cited a lot of other prominent, positive, famous black people in rebuttal to your assertion that "you can count on one hand" the number of positive examples of media portrayals of black people and I offered about 50 examples of how it's not so, even while acknowledging that black celebrities don't always get a fair shake. You seem to have your mind up that since Prince is black and "they" are out to get black people that "they" just make shit up to smear a famous black guy who died.


Then, instead of addressing anything I wrote, you not only put words in my mouth and ignored my examples that counter your argument (that the circumstances surrounding the reporting on Prince's death were racially motivated), but actually went ahead and rebutted an argument I never even made, which is rather astonishing. Lastly, using more exclamtion points doesn't make you any more correct either, especially when you use them to punctuate a question. It just makes you sound more crazy.

Plain and simple: what's to be gained by anyone trying to "smear" Prince beyond the sensationalistic nature of selling papers?

“I said that using prescription pain meds wouldn't preclude him from functioning at a high level. “

I disagree with you having taken a load of Percocet’s after Gallbladder surgery and not being any bigger than Prince I was glued to the floor. The next day it got worst and I was off to the emergency room. He would have built up a tolerance but he would have needed more and more and eventfully it would have affected his work or someone would have noticed. This is the reason I think his issues were recent and the weight loss and flu like issues were from his withdrawals. Think about how Fentylnal is more powerful than Percocets.

I never said that those performers were using the same drugs Prince was using. I was using them as a comparision to say that any drug use is going to affect a musician’s output. Who really gives a fuck if it is coke, heroin or pain pills. People are not able to function at the same level over the long haul on drugs even prescription drugs that are being taken under a doctors care. If you really read any of those books I would expect that you would have been able to figure that out. Read the Vibe and Rolling Stone article about his work habits on his last projects

http://www.vibe.com/featu...dio-album/

http://www.rollingstone.c...h-20160429

Do you really think he was working on this level of music strung out Fentenynal.

I do not know if any of the 50 people you mentioned have been in any trouble yet but if they do get into some trouble well it is going to be long hard fall they will not completely recover from.

I will use two examples

1) Johnny Depp – Beat up his wife but thanks to the Disney PR machine she gets made out to be the nut despite e-mail proof that John beat up on her. I wonder if this was Denzel Washington if the media spin would have taken place.

2) Charlie Sheen – May have given numerous woman AIDS but their appears to be no police investigation despite the woman filing lawsuits stating that he knew he had AIDS and did not disclose.

I could go on all day but you no doubt have your mind made up. What I can tell you that in the 3 months since Prince has died we have heard nothing but good stories about all the stuff he did for people and organizations from his friends and associates something he never took public credit for. What has the media focused on.

He had AIDS.

He committed suicide

He was an out of control drug addict.

Attacking his siblings who have done nothing wrong.

He was fool for not having a will.

The media smears people today to get clicks to generate ad revenue. The tabloids will take one fact and ad blatant lies to get clicks and now mainstream periodicals are picking up the stories without even fact checking. It is all to get money and negativity sells if he did not sell you would see some positive stories. You would see in the media that he was a humanitarian, smart about protecting his copyrights and owning his catalogue and praise for his work ethic which is almost non-existent in the music industry today. When I do not see those things and I see negativity I see smearing.

Someone else mentioned that there have always been people in the media and the public that hated Prince. His involvement in Black Lives Matter and some of the causes he supported makes him a target. Being dead his estate cannot not sue so the media can run with the drug angle despite not being able to dig up any other dirt.

So tired of endless rumors and baseless speculation...

laurarichardson said:

herb4 said:

Well, that would be fine if she addressed the content of my arguments as well as my questions instead of creating strawmen by attributing to me statements and assertions I never even made.

I be back for you.

"I be back for you" says it all. Ignore her. Just as I do. In some of my posts I say "Maybe" "I beleive" "Perhaps" which in the English language defies my speculation, then she tells me I am full of misinformation, and spurring false facts. She is a mental midget. Plain and simple. Don't expect to have an intelligent discussion with her it's not happening. She puts her own spin on everything that is so far off from what you actually posted it's pathetic. The behaviour is not normal.

1Sasha said:

sunset3121 said:

And while I am on this theme of it not fitting together, another thing that niggles is the reaction of his friends. So many of them are so keen to point to his hip pain and say that they knew what killed him. If a friend of mine suddenly died from painkiller abuse and I knew of their troubles I would feel a lot of irrational guilt over what more I might have done to help (even though I know that any attempt to help would probably be futile). There seemed to be very little being done to help P and yet I am hearing no guilt at all from the accounts of his friends - I am hearing acceptance of the inevitable/story time.

I keep repeating this, but if the autopsy report were to be released, a number of questions would be answered. No one can tell me that people around Prince didn't know he had a problem with drugs, and if I read one more person say it was for hip pain, I am going to scream! Were they blind? The man was a shadow of his former self from 2014/early 2015. Supposedly, he had only a handful of staff still at PP, and one report said no security. Also, when was the last time anyone saw Prince play a guitar? When did the showing up on stage to give an award with a guitar strapped to his back start, but he didn't play? The criminal investigation must be driving what we are - or are not - hearing. Many people here might get angry with me, but there are more questions than answers surrounding his last days.

1Shasha: I totally agree with you. I'm not angry by what you said. There had to have been people/friends around Prince who knew he needed help. His bodyguard, PP Manager, Kirk Johnson must know! I don't think he is going to talk to the press or disclose information about Prince's dependency on pain meds. A lot of people "know" things, but they aren't talking. We just have to hope and pray that in "time", the truth will surface. Prince's autopsy report will be "sealed" for the next 30-years, under Minnesota law. I'm sure a ton of books will be written on Prince's life and I'm sure a movie will be made. His death will remain another mystery, like so many others.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I tried to stay out of this thread but I just saw something really disturbing to me and I think it needs to go here.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/24/counterfeit-prescription-pills-laced-deadly-opioid-fentanyl

Hundreds of thousands of counterfeit prescription pills laced with a deadly synthetic opioid have infiltrated the US drug market, according to the US Drug Enforcement Administration, with the problem expected to escalate.

The pills are pressed using pharmacy-grade machines to look like known prescription painkillers that an increasing number of Americans addicted to opioids seek to buy illegally. They contain various amounts of fentanyl – a synthetic drug between 50 and 100 times more powerful than morphine; even a few extra grains of the drug can prove deadly. Often law enforcement only determines they are counterfeit after they are taken to a laboratory for testing.

Potent, unregulated, and, to the untrained eye, indistinguishable from pharmacy grade medication, the counterfeit pills put people who use painkillers for non-medical purposes – 4.3 million in 2014, according to the last federal survey – at risk of accidentally taking a far more potent drug than intended, often with fatal consequences.

“It’s a huge concern. People don’t know what they are getting,” said the DEA spokesman Melvin Patterson, citing an uptick in accidental overdoses by unwitting users.

Yes, I'm wondering what the fuck if Prince didn't know he was taking fentanyl?

Hatrina: A report just came out that the "synthetic" opiod "U-47700" was also found in Prince's system. So, it's highly possible that he took this "unknowingly", this caused his O/D. I hope the authorities are investigating this.

LBrent said:

this is purely my opinion, but I believe that people who insist that P died of AIDS are the same people, whether they liked his music or not, have always felt some type of way about his sxual ambiguity (and assumed he was either gay or at least bisexual thereby presumably high risk for getting HIV).

I believe they secretly hope that there will be an announcement that P died of AIDs so they can finally feel validated and be able to say, "Aha! I always KNEW it!"

Why do people keep saying Prince had AIDS?! Don't you understand that it was the media "tabloids" who put that out there?! That was the very first story they were running, BEFORE the autopsy results came out, and the cause of death did not list AIDS, so the tabloids backed-off because they looked like complete fools (and they are). The mindless sheeple like to spread rumors and not the FACTS. There is no proof WHATSOEVER that Prince had AIDS or was HIV positive, so until the truth surfaces, I wish people would stop tearing-down our beloved Prince. He does not deserve this!!

laurarichardson said:

herb4 said:

Why don't you settle down? You're all over the fucking place.

You said categorically that drug users and addicts can't function at I said and I said that's not true. I didn't say Prince was a lifelong drug user. I said that using prescription pain meds wouldn't preclude him from functioning at a high level. The people you cited (Miles, Rick James and George Clinton) were using crack, heroin, coke and all sorts of stuff. I've read two of the three books autobiographies you mentioned also so there's that. I wasn't saying Prince was in the same place as them at all.

Then I went on to explain why it's ridiculous to think that anyone would want to posthumously smear Prince and cited a lot of other prominent, positive, famous black people in rebuttal to your assertion that "you can count on one hand" the number of positive examples of media portrayals of black people and I offered about 50 examples of how it's not so, even while acknowledging that black celebrities don't always get a fair shake. You seem to have your mind up that since Prince is black and "they" are out to get black people that "they" just make shit up to smear a famous black guy who died.


Then, instead of addressing anything I wrote, you not only put words in my mouth and ignored my examples that counter your argument (that the circumstances surrounding the reporting on Prince's death were racially motivated), but actually went ahead and rebutted an argument I never even made, which is rather astonishing. Lastly, using more exclamtion points doesn't make you any more correct either, especially when you use them to punctuate a question. It just makes you sound more crazy.

Plain and simple: what's to be gained by anyone trying to "smear" Prince beyond the sensationalistic nature of selling papers?

“I said that using prescription pain meds wouldn't preclude him from functioning at a high level. “

I disagree with you having taken a load of Percocet’s after Gallbladder surgery and not being any bigger than Prince I was glued to the floor. The next day it got worst and I was off to the emergency room. He would have built up a tolerance but he would have needed more and more and eventfully it would have affected his work or someone would have noticed. This is the reason I think his issues were recent and the weight loss and flu like issues were from his withdrawals. Think about how Fentylnal is more powerful than Percocets.

I never said that those performers were using the same drugs Prince was using. I was using them as a comparision to say that any drug use is going to affect a musician’s output. Who really gives a fuck if it is coke, heroin or pain pills. People are not able to function at the same level over the long haul on drugs even prescription drugs that are being taken under a doctors care. If you really read any of those books I would expect that you would have been able to figure that out. Read the Vibe and Rolling Stone article about his work habits on his last projects

http://www.vibe.com/featu...dio-album/

http://www.rollingstone.c...h-20160429

Do you really think he was working on this level of music strung out Fentenynal.

I do not know if any of the 50 people you mentioned have been in any trouble yet but if they do get into some trouble well it is going to be long hard fall they will not completely recover from.

I will use two examples

1) Johnny Depp – Beat up his wife but thanks to the Disney PR machine she gets made out to be the nut despite e-mail proof that John beat up on her. I wonder if this was Denzel Washington if the media spin would have taken place.

2) Charlie Sheen – May have given numerous woman AIDS but their appears to be no police investigation despite the woman filing lawsuits stating that he knew he had AIDS and did not disclose.

I could go on all day but you no doubt have your mind made up. What I can tell you that in the 3 months since Prince has died we have heard nothing but good stories about all the stuff he did for people and organizations from his friends and associates something he never took public credit for. What has the media focused on.

He had AIDS.

He committed suicide

He was an out of control drug addict.

Attacking his siblings who have done nothing wrong.

He was fool for not having a will.

The media smears people today to get clicks to generate ad revenue. The tabloids will take one fact and ad blatant lies to get clicks and now mainstream periodicals are picking up the stories without even fact checking. It is all to get money and negativity sells if he did not sell you would see some positive stories. You would see in the media that he was a humanitarian, smart about protecting his copyrights and owning his catalogue and praise for his work ethic which is almost non-existent in the music industry today. When I do not see those things and I see negativity I see smearing.

Someone else mentioned that there have always been people in the media and the public that hated Prince. His involvement in Black Lives Matter and some of the causes he supported makes him a target. Being dead his estate cannot not sue so the media can run with the drug angle despite not being able to dig up any other dirt.

Wow. Ok. I really can't argue with that.

LBrent said:

Jessica55 said:

My experience with a 6-9 month usage of fentanyl (can’t recall exact number of wretchedness) sounds very similar to what P was going through for months from the various accounts I've read. I don’t know if anyone would want to read this but it’s a good quantitative analysis of the adverse effects (including death) from the usage of fentanyl. There is a summary of the 21 contributing factors which demonstrates the complexity of the usage of this medication. One important factor is drug metabolism because the variability in drug responses between individuals is a major problem leading to therapeutic failure or adverse effects. About 80% of all drugs are affected by the cytochrome P450 3A4 isozyme. My pain management doctor took a cheek swab and did DNA genotyping analysis of P450 (via the Mayo Clinic) on all his patients to determine how fast they metabolized medications. I don’t know another doctor who does this detailed level of analysis to craft individual plans for patients. Sadly, he retired at the end of April but I can only think that P wouldn't have died if he had seen this doctor months ago (I wish I had seen him before those fentanyl months).Yes, P would have needed to stay in the Bay Area for a while but there is privacy and he could done some concerts in Oakland and no one would have questioned why he was here.

http://www.intmedsafe.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/FentanylPatchesReport.pdf

This ties in with what I was trying to get across about the possibility that he could have been taking the prescription AS ORDERED yet overdose. For instance, whatever had him losing weight. Medications are prescribed by weight and height and if a patient is prescribed a medication for their current weight THEN FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT PATIENT LOSES WEIGHT, the originally prescribed dosage will no longer be correct and could cause an overdose. If the original dosage was making him sick and his Walgreen visits might have been to buy Pepto Bismal to soothe his tummy, but then if he had an upset tummy and couldn't eat then he'd lose weight and the original dosage prescribed could cause an overdose. [Edited 7/24/16 21:27pm]

It's true - medications dosages are prescribed for height and weight but what the DNA tests show is that's the wrong standards - how slow/fast you metabolize a drug is what counts. The DNA tests showed I was an ultra-rapid metabolizer of fentanyl so while I took the 3 day patches as prescribed by my primary care doctor, it wore off quickly (sometimes in a day) and I went into withdrawal quickly. In the months I took fentanyl I lost 10 pounds on a 5'2" frame (105-95). Opiates kill your appetite. You can easily go a day or more w/o eating and not feel hungry. P talked about how he could go days with no food. Yep. Then, when you go into withdrawal, you lose whatever you ate/drank and just like with the flu/stomach virus, you can only tolerate something like soup (why eat/drink if you're just going to vomit/diarrhea anyway was my motto). You can get dehydrated fast (esp. if you're thin) to the point you need IV hydration. You can use Immodium for the diarrhea but you need a lot to counteract diarrhea from opiod withdrawal. After I found the pain medicine doctor and he did the DNA tests and he took me off fentanyl, it took a long time to gain that weight back and feel half-human. I didn't feel horrible every day during those months. I would have ok days and have guests for dinner and play the piano and ping pong (too similar) and only my husband knew the situation.

Jessica55 said:

LBrent said:

Jessica55 said: This ties in with what I was trying to get across about the possibility that he could have been taking the prescription AS ORDERED yet overdose. For instance, whatever had him losing weight. Medications are prescribed by weight and height and if a patient is prescribed a medication for their current weight THEN FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT PATIENT LOSES WEIGHT, the originally prescribed dosage will no longer be correct and could cause an overdose. If the original dosage was making him sick and his Walgreen visits might have been to buy Pepto Bismal to soothe his tummy, but then if he had an upset tummy and couldn't eat then he'd lose weight and the original dosage prescribed could cause an overdose. [Edited 7/24/16 21:27pm]

It's true - medications dosages are prescribed for height and weight but what the DNA tests show is that's the wrong standards - how slow/fast you metabolize a drug is what counts. The DNA tests showed I was an ultra-rapid metabolizer of fentanyl so while I took the 3 day patches as prescribed by my primary care doctor, it wore off quickly (sometimes in a day) and I went into withdrawal quickly. In the months I took fentanyl I lost 10 pounds on a 5'2" frame (105-95). Opiates kill your appetite. You can easily go a day or more w/o eating and not feel hungry. P talked about how he could go days with no food. Yep. Then, when you go into withdrawal, you lose whatever you ate/drank and just like with the flu/stomach virus, you can only tolerate something like soup (why eat/drink if you're just going to vomit/diarrhea anyway was my motto). You can get dehydrated fast (esp. if you're thin) to the point you need IV hydration. You can use Immodium for the diarrhea but you need a lot to counteract diarrhea from opiod withdrawal. After I found the pain medicine doctor and he did the DNA tests and he took me off fentanyl, it took a long time to gain that weight back and feel half-human. I didn't feel horrible every day during those months. I would have ok days and have guests for dinner and play the piano and ping pong (too similar) and only my husband knew the situation.

Now, if only this message would get to those insisting on THEIR THEORY that he must've been either not taking them as prescribed or illegally...

cloveringold85 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I tried to stay out of this thread but I just saw something really disturbing to me and I think it needs to go here.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/24/counterfeit-prescription-pills-laced-deadly-opioid-fentanyl

Yes, I'm wondering what the fuck if Prince didn't know he was taking fentanyl?

Hatrina: A report just came out that the "synthetic" opiod "U-47700" was also found in Prince's system. So, it's highly possible that he took this "unknowingly", this caused his O/D. I hope the authorities are investigating this.

Thank you for that information. I most sincerely hope the authorities are investigating this as well.

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

Everyone is uninformed who doesn't agree with "Laura"." Laura" attacks each post that she doesn't agree with because "Laura" believes that everything she disagrees with , is wrong, absurd, and should be classified as false. "Laura" believes that a little common sense can go a long way because she doesn't agree with you. Arguing with "Laura" is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird is going to sh*t on the board and strut around like it won anyway.

Not everyone all the time is wrong on all topics. In this case just you. As you are just uniformed about the ME report and the effects of opioid withdrawal perhaps because you do not know how to Goggle or because you already have your mind made up as to how this situation played out without official investigation being concluded. Tell me if anything I just typed is wrong. You need to get your ego under control we all are wrong sometimes.

[Edited 7/25/16 11:02am]

You spelled "Google" wrong.

It's a little rich reading you lecture others on being uninformed, advising them to read a book and get their head out of the sand (all the while ignoring salient points people raise and inventing other ones they never asserted out of whole cloth) and THEN punctuating it by advising OTHERS to check THEIR egos. You're lecturing from high a top the mountain about some grand racist conspiracy to smear black entertainers and have the audacit to tell other people that "they have their minds made up already"?

Holy shit. Where to start? Do you ever even re-read the things you post?

And while we're on the subject, I can speak from personal experience about addiction, drug usage, withdrawals as well as recovery (depression too), which may be no match for your "Goggle" skills, but this whole thing started when I said that people can be addicts and function at a remarkably high level. From there, you said that I asserted that "Prince was a lifelong junkie" because I choose to believe it, or some such thing along with a whole entire slew of other non-sensical bullshit. I never said anything of the sort.

Addicts can, and do, often function at a remarkable high level. I'm certainly not on Prince's level and I never claimed to be, nor did I ever claim he was long time drug abuser (I doubt he was) but, as an addict myself, I can tell you, I've never been arrested, fired, hospitalized, OD'd, blacked out or anything else relating to my substance abuse that kept me from functioning as a reasonable member of society. You can "Goggle" all you want but I live it and I know what I'm talking about. If you can "Goggle", you can look up "high functioning addicts" and not take my word for it.

laurarichardson said:

herb4 said:

Well, that would be fine if she addressed the content of my arguments as well as my questions instead of creating strawmen by attributing to me statements and assertions I never even made.

I be back for you.

Whoa. Should I leave the door unlocked?

LBrent said:

Jessica55 said:

It's true - medications dosages are prescribed for height and weight but what the DNA tests show is that's the wrong standards - how slow/fast you metabolize a drug is what counts. The DNA tests showed I was an ultra-rapid metabolizer of fentanyl so while I took the 3 day patches as prescribed by my primary care doctor, it wore off quickly (sometimes in a day) and I went into withdrawal quickly. In the months I took fentanyl I lost 10 pounds on a 5'2" frame (105-95). Opiates kill your appetite. You can easily go a day or more w/o eating and not feel hungry. P talked about how he could go days with no food. Yep. Then, when you go into withdrawal, you lose whatever you ate/drank and just like with the flu/stomach virus, you can only tolerate something like soup (why eat/drink if you're just going to vomit/diarrhea anyway was my motto). You can get dehydrated fast (esp. if you're thin) to the point you need IV hydration. You can use Immodium for the diarrhea but you need a lot to counteract diarrhea from opiod withdrawal. After I found the pain medicine doctor and he did the DNA tests and he took me off fentanyl, it took a long time to gain that weight back and feel half-human. I didn't feel horrible every day during those months. I would have ok days and have guests for dinner and play the piano and ping pong (too similar) and only my husband knew the situation.

Now, if only this message would get to those insisting on THEIR THEORY that he must've been either not taking them as prescribed or illegally...

True but this explanation is more detailed. In a hospital/hospice setting which is what fentanyl was initially designed for, a nurse/doctor is there to see if a patch wears off in < 3 days and can adjust the dosage (e.g., try changing the patch every 48 hours to see if that helps). If a patch wears off in <3 days, you can't just put another one on b/c you don't know how much fentanyl is in your system. The medicine isn't evenly distributed on the patch so if it wears off in 2 days it doesn't mean 2/3 is in your system (and you cannot cut patches). This is when you/the person helping take care of you (b/c you might be able to call), calls the doctor if you're not in a medical settinng. This presumes someone is watching you/helping you/calling 911 if need be. He had the strength to walk or crawl into an elevator but died there. I'm haunted that he had time to know what was going on (esp. b/c of the near death experience) and how horrible it is to know you're going to die alone.

Jessica55 said:

herb4 said:

laurarichardson said:

herb4 said:

Whoa. Should I leave the door unlocked?

-No just ignore my post and move on with your life.

Lol.... we sill love you "laura".

laurarichardson said:

I disagree with you having taken a load of Percocet’s...

I never said that those performers were using the same drugs Prince was using. I was using them as a comparision to say that any drug use is going to affect a musician’s output. Who really gives a fuck if it is coke, heroin or pain pills.

Do you really think he was working on this level of music strung out Fentenynal.

I could go on all day but you no doubt have your mind made up.

The media smears people today to get clicks to generate ad revenue.

Ok. In order.

1. "A LOAD of Percocets"? I think I'm beginning to understand how you wound up on the floor, especially with no tolerance. 5-10 mg a day and anyone can function on it.

2. Me. I give a fuck. I've taken cocaine and pain meds (never heroin). I used to be a freebase addict. I still occasionally smoke pot. I drink. It's a different animal entirely (hard stuff, especially heroin) unless you're popping 50-60mg a day of oxy or hydrocodone.

3. No, I don't think he was strung out on Fentanyl at all. I think he overdosed on it. I'd be honestly surprised if the Fentanyl wasn't a very very recent thing or even if this was the first time he'd used it. I sincerely doubt that Prince was a decades long habitual drug user or an addict for any length of time. I made that abundantly clear in my post(s) before you went batshit on me.

4. "My mind made up" about what? That Prince overdosed? Yes. That there's no grand conspiracy to smear him because of his race? Yes.

5. See...NOW you're on to something. THAT'S why the tabloids do what they do and they do it with EVERYBODY who's famous and ESPECIALLY when they die. Prince is not special in this regard nor was he uniquely targeted.

It's worth pointing out too that the people you mentioned are, in fact, quite highly functioning and very accomplished individuals. Sure, they had down spots where the drugs took over and they shut down but, overall, they were tremendously successful. If you're going to cite Miles Davis and George Clinton as examples of musicians who never got any great work done because of thier drug use, I'm afraid I don't know what to tell you because you've basically proved my point.

Lastly, why are you so convinced about Johnny Depp being guilty of smacking his wife around based on the affidavit of ONE person (and being protected b Hollywood) yet think Bill Cosby is somehow being framed by SIXTY-TWO different women?

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

Everyone is uninformed who doesn't agree with "Laura"." Laura" attacks each post that she doesn't agree with because "Laura" believes that everything she disagrees with , is wrong, absurd, and should be classified as false. "Laura" believes that a little common sense can go a long way because she doesn't agree with you. Arguing with "Laura" is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird is going to sh*t on the board and strut around like it won anyway.

Not everyone all the time is wrong on all topics. In this case just you. As you are just uniformed about the ME report and the effects of opioid withdrawal perhaps because you do not know how to Goggle or because you already have your mind made up as to how this situation played out without official investigation being concluded. Tell me if anything I just typed is wrong. You need to get your ego under control we all are wrong sometimes.

[Edited 7/25/16 11:02am]

This is bizarre. You're going to have to do a better job at picking a struggle and sticking to it. If it's the meds, forgive me, if you were (3) sheets to the wind , I could understand..., but if this is the norm, I would rather count to one billion than to count on you for anything .

1. "Not everyone all the time is wrong on all topics"-- I am going to have to "Google" this.

2. I am "uninformed about the (ME) reports"? I went through it line-by-line with detailed explanations per the (ME's) own guidelines in several posts scattered on this forum.

3. "You already have your mind made up without official investigation being concluded". Did you really type this after all of the things you have posted about what you "believe"? So what now? A TPO because we disagree?

4. "Tell me if anything I just typed is wrong". Well, if I'm channeling "Laura" , absolutely nothing.

5. "You need to get your ego under control". Do you see how #5 could very easily roll into #4?

6. "We are all wrong sometimes". I think you're messing with me now. Or am I messing with you? Read #1.

7. Who did this to you? Do I remind you of him?

laurarichardson said:

“I said that using prescription pain meds wouldn't preclude him from functioning at a high level. “

I disagree with you having taken a load of Percocet’s after Gallbladder surgery and not being any bigger than Prince I was glued to the floor. The next day it got worst and I was off to the emergency room. He would have built up a tolerance but he would have needed more and more and eventfully it would have affected his work or someone would have noticed. This is the reason I think his issues were recent and the weight loss and flu like issues were from his withdrawals. Think about how Fentylnal is more powerful than Percocets.

I never said that those performers were using the same drugs Prince was using. I was using them as a comparision to say that any drug use is going to affect a musician’s output. Who really gives a fuck if it is coke, heroin or pain pills. People are not able to function at the same level over the long haul on drugs even prescription drugs that are being taken under a doctors care. If you really read any of those books I would expect that you would have been able to figure that out. Read the Vibe and Rolling Stone article about his work habits on his last projects

http://www.vibe.com/featu...dio-album/

http://www.rollingstone.c...h-20160429

Do you really think he was working on this level of music strung out Fentenynal.

I do not know if any of the 50 people you mentioned have been in any trouble yet but if they do get into some trouble well it is going to be long hard fall they will not completely recover from.

I will use two examples

1) Johnny Depp – Beat up his wife but thanks to the Disney PR machine she gets made out to be the nut despite e-mail proof that John beat up on her. I wonder if this was Denzel Washington if the media spin would have taken place.

2) Charlie Sheen – May have given numerous woman AIDS but their appears to be no police investigation despite the woman filing lawsuits stating that he knew he had AIDS and did not disclose.

I could go on all day but you no doubt have your mind made up. What I can tell you that in the 3 months since Prince has died we have heard nothing but good stories about all the stuff he did for people and organizations from his friends and associates something he never took public credit for. What has the media focused on.

He had AIDS.

He committed suicide

He was an out of control drug addict.

Attacking his siblings who have done nothing wrong.

He was fool for not having a will.

The media smears people today to get clicks to generate ad revenue. The tabloids will take one fact and ad blatant lies to get clicks and now mainstream periodicals are picking up the stories without even fact checking. It is all to get money and negativity sells if he did not sell you would see some positive stories. You would see in the media that he was a humanitarian, smart about protecting his copyrights and owning his catalogue and praise for his work ethic which is almost non-existent in the music industry today. When I do not see those things and I see negativity I see smearing.

Someone else mentioned that there have always been people in the media and the public that hated Prince. His involvement in Black Lives Matter and some of the causes he supported makes him a target. Being dead his estate cannot not sue so the media can run with the drug angle despite not being able to dig up any other dirt.

I think his name change and battle with Warners, the Youtube and streaming stuff also made him a target with the MSM - no one wanted to listen to his reasoning for things he was often just ridiculed.

Anyway this thread is getting nasty and personal - Love 4 One Another remember!!!

It was a nasty thread to begin with...

Prince, since his death, has been almost entirely universally praised and celebrated by everyone media outlet there is aside from the shitty tabloids. But the tabloids do that to EVERYONE. That's what they DO every day to EVERYONE.

For close to two decades, hardly anyone even CARED about Prince. He'd become a walking punch line due to the name change, he wasn't mainstream and not many people beyond his hardcore fan base even bought his records anymore. Even with "Baltimore", no one gave a shit about that, even FOX News and the usual right wing outlets didn't smear him for it.

Even Muhammad Ali, a GENUINE rebel, a world leader and figure, an outspoken black man that was GENUINELY devisive and very counter culture...a MUSLIM for crying out loud...didn't get "smeared" when he died. Quite the opposite in fact.

This idea that Prince was some dangerous, militant, rabble rousing revolutionary leader who had to be stopped or whose reputation had to be destroyed posthumously flies in the face of reality, every shred of evidence we have, the genuinely glowing and respectful treatment he received by 99% of the non-tabloid media, and is insane and paranoid in my view.

Shit, the guy's more universally respected and loved now than he EVER was, including the Purple Rain era, thanks largely to the YouTube embargo being lifted, the walls that were built around his music being torn down and the revelations of his charity and genorosity being more known.

If one is going to focus entirely on tabloid coverage and draw conclusions of negativity and conspiracy theories from that, you may as well apply the same standard to EVERY famous person, living or dead. What did you guys expect the National Enquire to do, run a front page story on Prince's charitable donations? Do they EVER run a positive headline about ANY famous person, living or dead?

No. So how is this evidence of singling out Prince for character assassination?

herb4 said:

Prince, since his death, has been almost entirely universally praised and celebrated by everyone media outlet there is aside from the shitty tabloids. But the tabloids do that to EVERYONE. That's what they DO every day to EVERYONE.

For close to two decades, hardly anyone even CARED about Prince. He'd become a walking punch line due to the name change, he wasn't mainstream and not many people beyond his hardcore fan base even bought his records anymore. Even with "Baltimore", no one gave a shit about that, even FOX News and the usual right wing outlets didn't smear him for it.

Even Muhammad Ali, a GENUINE rebel, a world leader and figure, an outspoken black man that was GENUINELY devisive and very counter culture...a MUSLIM for crying out loud...didn't get "smeared" when he died. Quite the opposite in fact.

This idea that Prince was some dangerous, militant, rabble rousing revolutionary leader who had to be stopped or whose reputation had to be destroyed posthumously flies in the face of reality, every shred of evidence we have, the genuinely glowing and respectful treatment he received by 99% of the non-tabloid media, and is insane and paranoid in my view.

Shit, the guy's more universally respected and loved now than he EVER was, including the Purple Rain era, thanks largely to the YouTube embargo being lifted, the walls that were built around his music being torn down and the revelations of his charity and genorosity being more known.

If one is going to focus entirely on tabloid coverage and draw conclusions of negativity and conspiracy theories from that, you may as well apply the same standard to EVERY famous person, living or dead. What did you guys expect the National Enquire to do, run a front page story on Prince's charitable donations? Do they EVER run a positive headline about ANY famous person, living or dead?

No. So how is this evidence of singling out Prince for character assassination?

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^^^^^ THIS

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laytonian said: