TonyVanDam said:

luv4u said:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/prince-death-overdose-1.3612770

[Link above has now been updated with more information]

Any duplicate threads created with get the Post here, thanks.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/0...index.html

Authorities have also said the investigation into Prince's death is a criminal investigation. It was not immediately clear if Kornfeld is the subject of a separate investigation.

TRANSLATION: Prince was murdered!

I hope my fellow orgers can finally wake up, stop being naive, and be open-minded to the possibility that the tragic death of our musical hero is a freaking conspiracy.

Yikes!

TonyVanDam said:

luv4u said:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/prince-death-overdose-1.3612770

[Link above has now been updated with more information]

Any duplicate threads created with get the Post here, thanks.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/0...index.html

Authorities have also said the investigation into Prince's death is a criminal investigation. It was not immediately clear if Kornfeld is the subject of a separate investigation.

TRANSLATION: Prince was murdered!

I hope my fellow orgers can finally wake up, stop being naive, and be open-minded to the possibility that the tragic death of our musical hero is a freaking conspiracy.

No. You're reaching with your translation. If it's a criminal investigation, it's about how, why and who got him HIS painkillers. I could get my Mrs to get me some opiates tomorrow that she's entitled to but I'm certainly not, If i took them and died.. Who would be responsible?

.

It's a mess and desperately sad, but i think some fans need to accept Prince made his own decisions and was responsible for himself. Hard to accept but that's how it appears.

[Edited 6/2/16 16:30pm]

KingSausage said:

We don't need more evidence to prevent ridiculous tumors and conspiracy theories from taking off. Small gaps in the available evidence don't demand crazy speculation. It's not 0 or 100 here. That's a logical fallacy.

We're still floating the unlikely, no-confirmation-ever tale that he was denied a private room.

And now he didn't just have "a scar on lower right leg", he suddenly hours later has "a long scar going down his leg".

Oh, and he was murdered by shadowy Warners execs. They left a long scar I guess. And told hospitals nationwide not to give Prince any private rooms.

PeteSilas said:

mimi1956 said:

Things that had nothing to do with their deaths and reasons that led up to it.. With Prince if there was something terminal rather than chronic, I think that is what those who love him would rest easier with. A chronic conditon then his loss could have been preventable. Terminal, party over oops out of time....

ya, i was thinking they might tell us all the gory details like they had to remove his afro wig before the cremation or something. so this is a pretty vague report, michaels stated every little centimeter of his body, as did whitneys.

Pete WTF? Check yoself. now.

[Edited 6/2/16 16:36pm]

Junglehop said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Was it suicide?

I have a strange feeling that it might have been. , the last minute paisley park party on sat, only $10.00 bucks, (1 last party), the strange tweet, the multiple bike rides to take in life on Sat, the record store shopping, on mon,nite on the town at the local club to check out the talent, mon, and most of all, no one at paisley park on that day wen,-but what puzzels me, is the overdose after the Atlanta show seems like a mistake-Prince wouldn't have intentially do something to alert the press!

This is all crazy, why didn't they just stay with our beautiful Prince that day? Why did they just drop him off at home? Even if he said go home, I would have said NO, I will be posted up outside if need be, something-If you thought he was in trouble to justify a call to one of his confidante, then why would you leave him alone. Where was family? If that was my bro, he would have had to call the police if you tryed to make me leave you-

Blind item came out on Monday April 18th/I know he saw it or herd about it-

My mother always said, you can count your friends on one hand, damn! Didn't Prince have one friend?

[Edited 6/2/16 17:47pm]

Could he have gotten them outside the country?

purplepoppy said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, i was thinking they might tell us all the gory details like they had to remove his afro wig before the cremation or something. so this is a pretty vague report, michaels stated every little centimeter of his body, as did whitneys.

Pete WTF? Check yoself. now.

[Edited 6/2/16 16:36pm]

well, it's true, they told us everything about michael, saying he lost about an inch of his hairline and had it tattoed in black. I'm not making shit up.

Ok, I heard this story a few weeks ago from someone I know. It could be bs, but I will throw it out there, but take it with a large grain of salt. This person's doctor supposedly knew the doctors who performed Prince's hip surgery. Apparently he was suffering from severe hip pain. Sheila E, who knew one of the doctors because of her own health related issues with performing, convinced Prince to come to California and get hip replacement surgery in 2010. He supposedly had surgery on his hip and ankle.

The kicker is the doctor said Prince aggraverated his hip problem by performing in 2011. The hip replacement wasn't designed to sustain long term, rigorous activity. Take a look at the Welcome To... concerts in 2011. Prince was dancing and moving around the stage for 2 or more hours. There are some clips of him jumping off his piano. There's the segment where he is dancing intensely in heels to Cool/Don't Stop to You Get Enough medley.

I've read that doctors only started recommending hip replacement surgery to patients under 60 because the advancement in materials. Before that doctors wouldn't perform hip replacement on younger patients for fear of damaging the articial hip and causing further problems.

When I first heard this, I thought the doctor was probably full of it, but then I saw Prince had a scar on his hip and ankle amde me think twice.

Here is a list of activities tht can damage an artificial hip.

https://www.hipreplacemen...y/activity

Leisure and Sport Activities
There are different risks associated with certain types of leisure and sport activities. Some activities may lead to damage of your artificial joint over time due to wear and tear of the joint. In general, the more vigorous the activity, the higher the risk of damaging the implant, increasing the wear and tear on the implant, or increasing the risk of loosening or dislocating the implant.

Three major categories of activities should be avoided. These include:

• Activities that cause high-impact stresses on the implant
• Activities with potentially high risk of injury
• Activities that may result in falling or getting tangled with opponents, risking dislocation of the joint itself or a fracture of the bone around the implant. These types of activities include competitive racquet sports (such as singles tennis, squash, and racquetball), high-impact aerobics, high intensity jogging, water skiing, power gliding, Alpine skiing, mogul skiing, martial arts, rope jumping, and rough contact sports (such as football, soccer, lacrosse, basketball, baseball, handball, and volleyball)

Lower-stress activities such as golf, hiking, walking, biking, stationary skiing (e.g., Nordic Track), and swimming are excellent forms of exercise for individuals with a hip replacement. Others may also be considered for long-term sports or leisure activities including cross-country skiing, doubles tennis, table tennis, and bowling.

The way a hip replacement will perform depends on your age, weight, activity level and other factors. There are potential risks and recovery takes time. If you have conditions that limit rehabilitation, you should not have this surgery. Only an orthopaedic surgeon can tell you if hip replacement is right for you.

Charm4ever said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Was it suicide?

I have a strange feeling that it might have been. , the last minute paisley park party on sat, only $10.00 bucks, (1 last party), the strange tweet, the multiple bike rides to take in life on Sat, the record store shopping, on mon,nite on the town at the local club to check out the talent, mon, and most of all, no one at paisley park on that day wen,-but what puzzels me, is the overdose after the Atlanta show seems like a mistake-Prince wouldn't have intentially do something to alert the press!

This is all crazy, why didn't they just stay with our beautiful Prince that day? Why did they just drop him off at home? Even if he said go home, I would have said NO, I will be posted up outside if need be, something-If you thought he was in trouble to justify a call to one of his confidante, then why would you leave him alone. Where was family? If that was my bro, he would have had to call the police if you tryed to make me leave you-

My mother always said, you can count your friends on one hand, damn! Didn't Prince have one friend?

Dave Marsh, the rock critic who wrote the first proper book on Elvis stated that Elvis died friendless and that was the biggest tragedy of his life. It's kind of odd that when i listen to the breakdown Prince says something about "the saddest story that's ever been told" and Marsh used almost the same wording in his book, "the saddest story I know of" or something. Prince said before that yes men aren't friends so he seemed to be a little more in touch than most stars about that. I really don't think this report answers very much at all and I think we'll get more in time.

PeteSilas said:

purplepoppy said:

Pete WTF? Check yoself. now.

[Edited 6/2/16 16:36pm]

well, it's true, they told us everything about michael, saying he lost about an inch of his hairline and had it tattoed in black. I'm not making shit up.

I believe the details you're referencing were leaked by someone involved to the press - they were not part of the officially released cause of death information.

My general sense is that MN has a higher degree of professionalism than what exists in CA/LA.

homesquid said:

Fury said:

His estate needs to hold all those trash rags accountable for saying he died of AIDS.

Sorry to have to say it but Prince may still have had AIDS. It's just not what actually killed him. That drug is used frequently with cancer patients. Many celebrities have hidden they had AIDS when they died.

It doesn't really matter. I think he had to have had a serious illness to do this to himself.

ya, i think it would be easier for me personally to swallow if I knew he was terminal anyway, it's a lot easier than thinking my hero and idol was an addict. No one wants to see their hero as an addict.

BanishedBrian said:

PeteSilas said:

well, it's true, they told us everything about michael, saying he lost about an inch of his hairline and had it tattoed in black. I'm not making shit up.

I believe the details you're referencing were leaked by someone involved to the press - they were not part of the officially released cause of death information.

My general sense is that MN has a higher degree of professionalism than what exists in CA/LA.

I don't think they were leaked, i never heard anyone complaining about it if they were and they were details upon details, same with whitney, go look, don't take my word for it.

there were aids rumours about a famous black entertainer that came out a couple days before Prince first od'd. who knows, what does anyone think when a person gets sickly? they think aids so maybe the idiots around him started that shit because the rumor was out before any of this drama.

controversy99 said:

her Facebook

^^ In retrospect it really does look like Mani was saying Prince had a problem, without really 'saying it'...probably couldn't say it due to agreements, so looks like she was just heavily implying it"

http://prince.org/msg/5/353938

Dr. Drew had the doctor that Nancy Grace uses on to explain how Fentanyl works, and why perhaps P was found in the elevator. Through normal use of a patch there would be no overdose. Using other means to get the substance into the system quicker (sub-lingual or injection) and especially mixed with a benzo would have caused a quick reaction. This again brings me right back to Schulenberg, who had no reason to be treating Prince for withdrawals. Both times he overdosed, he had been treated by Schulenberg, who supposedly didn't prescribe him any opiates...but he did prescribe him meds to help with the withdrawals...so what did he prescribe? Benzos? And then leave Prince alone to maybe take both? I don't know but I think at the end of the day Schulenberg is going to have alot of explaining to do, and at the least will lose his medical liscense if not more.

[Edited 6/2/16 17:43pm]

BillieBalloon said:

controversy99 said:

Some questions: 1. Who knew Prince took pain killers? 2. Who knew Prince had troubles with overuse and/or detoxing? 3. Did Prince partially die of shame, hiding his use of pain killers even from closest friends? It's interesting and saddening that Tamron Hall, for example, seemed to have no idea about the pain killers. She and Prince spoke for hours and hours about personal and likely intimate issues, even in the last week of his life. But at least two people had to know when he started taking them. And a small few people apparently knew he was recently overusing them, for whatever reason. [Edited 6/2/16 16:41pm]

In 2011 manuella posted on her Facebook

Hoping never to see prince on 20/20 doing a charlie sheen-esque rant. so sad

She then deleted this post. Somebody started a thread about it back then. So I'm gonna conclude that she knew but I'm not going to go into what if anything she did about it.

I remember that.

PeteSilas said:

PeteSilas said:

Charm4ever asked if he didn't even have one friend. This really choked me up all over again.

Can I just add some insight on addiction? I will not speculate on whether or not Prince was an addict or not but I would like to interject a little about addiction from a personal perspective because I think some education about the illness might be of some help .

• People who use (insert drug of choice) are simply trying to feel better.
• Once we get the correct feeling of relief from whatever we are using the brain craves it. We are now addicts.
• We cannot simply choose to stop. The part of your brain that is responsible for that choice has been hijacked.
• Please remember that the addict’s job is to stay addicted. So isolating and secretiveness become a way of living and we learn to quickly adapt our lifestyle to fit our habit.
• Some symptoms addicts try to get relief from are loneliness, fear, doubt and insecurity.

• Addicts are intelligent, loving, sensitive, creative and caring people. We walk among you daily lying to ourselves and hoping you will not discover our secret.
• We are professionals with careers, families and friends…so far, but eventually that will go away as well.
• By definition, even if the next hit might be the one that kills us, an addict has to do what addicts do.

There is a tremendous amount of pain in addiction. I have nothing but compassion for those that suffer. Someone who truly cared for me saved me from myself. I was willing and I was lucky. I am incredibly sad that Prince didn’t have anyone. Like Charm4ever asked, Wasn't there anyone?

You know who Prince was or you wouldn’t be here reading. If you have forgotten, go back and listen to that audio recording from 1981. https://youtu.be/O0MXqmUCN9U

People who are generally content with life and at peace with their place in it don't feel the need to make art. It's the dispossessed, the rejected that have a need to save their lives by creating something.

Prince tried everyday and we will benefit from his creativity forever.

Jeez. I hate to say TMZ was right too but damn. Prince realized he had a problem but it was a little too late it looks like. Sad. I hate to think he was ever in pain.

PeteSilas said:

BanishedBrian said:

I believe the details you're referencing were leaked by someone involved to the press - they were not part of the officially released cause of death information.

My general sense is that MN has a higher degree of professionalism than what exists in CA/LA.

I don't think they were leaked, i never heard anyone complaining about it if they were and they were details upon details, same with whitney, go look, don't take my word for it.

Pete - not saying your posts aren't true - however, you have crossed the line. If yer drunk, upset and angry I can accept that but dude, this is not discourse. Sad. Go F a tabloid.

purplepoppy said:

PeteSilas said:

I don't think they were leaked, i never heard anyone complaining about it if they were and they were details upon details, same with whitney, go look, don't take my word for it.

Pete - not saying your posts aren't true - however, you have crossed the line. If yer drunk, upset and angry I can accept that but dude, this is not discourse. Sad. Go F a tabloid.

uh, how about you not respond, i've written a lot of posts and i can't please everyone. you mistook whatever I typed, sorry. but stop fucking with me now.

it all comes out in the wash...in time...

KRTREE said:

Charm4ever asked if he didn't even have one friend. This really choked me up all over again.

Can I just add some insight on addiction? I will not speculate on whether or not Prince was an addict or not but I would like to interject a little about addiction from a personal perspective because I think some education about the illness might be of some help .

• People who use (insert drug of choice) are simply trying to feel better.
• Once we get the correct feeling of relief from whatever we are using the brain craves it. We are now addicts.
• We cannot simply choose to stop. The part of your brain that is responsible for that choice has been hijacked.
• Please remember that the addict’s job is to stay addicted. So isolating and secretiveness become a way of living and we learn to quickly adapt our lifestyle to fit our habit.
• Some symptoms addicts try to get relief from are loneliness, fear, doubt and insecurity.

• Addicts are intelligent, loving, sensitive, creative and caring people. We walk among you daily lying to ourselves and hoping you will not discover our secret.
• We are professionals with careers, families and friends…so far, but eventually that will go away as well.
• By definition, even if the next hit might be the one that kills us, an addict has to do what addicts do.

There is a tremendous amount of pain in addiction. I have nothing but compassion for those that suffer. Someone who truly cared for me saved me from myself. I was willing and I was lucky. I am incredibly sad that Prince didn’t have anyone. Like Charm4ever asked, Wasn't there anyone?

You know who Prince was or you wouldn’t be here reading. If you have forgotten, go back and listen to that audio recording from 1981. https://youtu.be/O0MXqmUCN9U

People who are generally content with life and at peace with their place in it don't feel the need to make art. It's the dispossessed, the rejected that have a need to save their lives by creating something.

Prince tried everyday and we will benefit from his creativity forever.

TY@KRTREE- sad, yet rings truth-