CherryMoon57 said:

Guitarhero said:

mimi1956 said:

According to CNN the full autopsy and toxicology report will not be released the medical office said. You have got to be kidding.

And why won't it be released, what are they trying to hide! With them being so secretive, they are only feeding the specuations and the media. What's so bad that it can't be revealed???

So this was the end of a long-fought civil war. RIP genius.

I really don't get this cancer theory that's going around. I just don't get it. Everything we've heard so far lines up with an addicition to painkillers brought on by hip pain. It sounds like Prince was trying to ween himself off of percocet and suffered extreme withdrawal symptoms (flu like symptoms, weight loss, erratic behavior), he probably started using the pain killers again to relieve the withdrawals symptoms and took a dosage that he body was no longer used to. That explains the first over dose on the plane and the second one that ultimately killed him. His staff was worried about that he was spiraling out of control and arranged an intervention with the doctor's son.

Honestly, if Prince was dying of cancer, why was he trying to get off of pain killers? Why would it matter if death is coming anyway? The percocet would've provided him relief from pain in his final days. Everything we heard so far just doesn't add up to that story.

PeteSilas said:

mimi1956 said:

According to CNN the full autopsy and toxicology report will not be released the medical office said. You have got to be kidding.

well, we got to put the pressure on. We were his fans, they sealed Elvis' autopsy too but we all know after all this time what killed him and what that sealed autopsy contained.

We are his fans, not his family. We are not entitled to all the intricacies associated with his death and with him being as private as he was I am sure he would not want that.

He died of an OD. People are going to think what they will but he deserves peace and respect in his death as does his family.

bondno9 said:

mimi1956 said:

Thank you, others can be just too rude.

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Yes, they can. You raised a valid observation about fentanyl. The speculation is that he was taking it for hip pain but based on the NIH website there is the possibility he may have been prescribed the drug for cancer pain. If so, that health information may be considered non-public information under MN law. If there is a family history of cancer, then it raises the possibility even higher. IMO he wasn't taking it for hip pain. It's just heartbreaking. He was in pain but gave his all up until the very end

I keep reading on other posts that the autopsy will be released tomorrow, but according to CNN the medical office said they will not be releasing the full autopsy or anymore toxicoligy info. So no full disclosure so we can move on. I'm still crying. If we found out there was some underlying reason for the medication it would be easier, but an accidental od, just such a watse of a beautiful life.

Arbwyth said:

mimi1956 said:

No, it doesn't change the love. But if he was taking it for a serious condition, it would have been easier to accept other than an accident. The world was robbed of him as an aging genius and he was robbed of his future and maybe being happy.

Speaking from experience, chronic pain <b>is</b> a serious condition. Just because society hasn't caught up to that fact yet doesn't make it any less true. And to be completely honest, this problem wouldn't have gone away for Prince. If he'd survived this episode, it was a battle he'd likely have had to fight his entire life, whether it's trying to find safe treatments, trying to keep your spirits up enough to not jump off a bridge when the pain flares up, hell, trying to find a comfortable position while standing onstage with a guitar, or at a piano (I noticed that his piano bench for this tour looked very padded and comfortable) or sitting on an airplane. The limitations a pain disorder can cause to the things you love to do are really heartbreaking, and going forward all we can do is try to find REAL solutions to chronic pain as opposed to shit that makes money for the pharmaceutical industry. (While also accepting that we can't just ban opioids without a replacement treatment for pain, otherwise you'll have pain patients flat-out killing themselves.)

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And, of course, for those so inclined we can devote ourselves to the causes that Prince held near and dear, such as music education, narrowing the achievement gap, ending animal cruelty, and a whole host of other things. We have an opportunity to carry his torch forward; let's do that.

Thank you for making that point. We have to have effective alternatives or people will suffer unbearably.

endiadj said:

Well, this does sound like the Daily Mail interview with drug dealer may be the truth

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3555292/Prince-s-former-drug-dealer-reveals-extent-addiction.html

Someone can always file a freedom of info act request BUT I really do think that as fans we should request Prince's privacy and not put any pressure on to release any more of the paper work publicly. He would have hated that and we knoew it.

nonames said:

PeteSilas said:

well, we got to put the pressure on. We were his fans, they sealed Elvis' autopsy too but we all know after all this time what killed him and what that sealed autopsy contained.

I don't think we have any right to do that, as hard as that may be.

BklynDiamond said:

PeteSilas said:

well, we got to put the pressure on. We were his fans, they sealed Elvis' autopsy too but we all know after all this time what killed him and what that sealed autopsy contained.

We are his fans, not his family. We are not entitled to all the intricacies associated with his death and with him being as private as he was I am sure he would not want that.

He died of an OD. People are going to think what they will but he deserves peace and respect in his death as does his family.

i understand that, but whether you or i like it or not, it will come out, people will talk, it will just take time. There was a attempted coverrup with Bruce Lee and Elvis, the truth always comes out buddy.

BklynDiamond said:

PeteSilas said:

well, we got to put the pressure on. We were his fans, they sealed Elvis' autopsy too but we all know after all this time what killed him and what that sealed autopsy contained.

We are his fans, not his family. We are not entitled to all the intricacies associated with his death and with him being as private as he was I am sure he would not want that.

He died of an OD. People are going to think what they will but he deserves peace and respect in his death as does his family.

He said he didn't like the word fan, it implied fanatics. He called us friends, and friends care. As far as family, he doesn't seem to have been that close with them His friends were his family and I'd like to think he considered us that way.

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nursev said:

2freaky4church1 said:

BklynDiamond said:

isobelfq said:

MMJas said:

Conor said:

babynoz said:

mimi1956 said:

bondno9 said:

Yes, they can. You raised a valid observation about fentanyl. The speculation is that he was taking it for hip pain but based on the NIH website there is the possibility he may have been prescribed the drug for cancer pain. If so, that health information may be considered non-public information under MN law. If there is a family history of cancer, then it raises the possibility even higher. IMO he wasn't taking it for hip pain. It's just heartbreaking. He was in pain but gave his all up until the very end

I keep reading on other posts that the autopsy will be released tomorrow, but according to CNN the medical office said they will not be releasing the full autopsy or anymore toxicoligy info. So no full disclosure so we can move on. I'm still crying. If we found out there was some underlying reason for the medication it would be easier, but an accidental od, just such a watse of a beautiful life.

I have a headache from the crying. I'm still stuck on why fentanyl? It's just all so odd. There's a missing piece and it's in the full autopsy/toxicology. I'm sure the family knows which hopefully provides some closure for them. I'm starting to cry again

1contessa said:

mimi1956 said:

According to CNN the full autopsy and toxicology report will not be released the medical office said. You have got to be kidding.

And why won't it be released, what are they trying to hide! With them being so secretive, they are only feeding the specuations and the media. What's so bad that it can't be revealed???

It's Minnesota law. Anything beyond what they have released is considered non-public information. Maybe someone who is not a medical professional (due to HIPPA laws), such as friends or family, may have more information and come forward.

Militant said:

JustErin said:

PeteSilas said:

wizardtelly said:

1contessa said:

mimi1956 said:

According to CNN the full autopsy and toxicology report will not be released the medical office said. You have got to be kidding.

And why won't it be released, what are they trying to hide! With them being so secretive, they are only feeding the specuations and the media. What's so bad that it can't be revealed???

It won't be released because that is what the law calls for in Minnesota.

The only routine information released to the public is the manner and cause of death. All other medical examiner data is regarded as private or non-public under Minnesota Law.

If you look at the Examiner ceertificate which has been released it says this quite clearly at the top.

So, no conspiracy, not being secretive, nothing underhand because it is Prince - just following the laws of the state.

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leadline said:

bondno9 said:

mimi1956 said:

I keep reading on other posts that the autopsy will be released tomorrow, but according to CNN the medical office said they will not be releasing the full autopsy or anymore toxicoligy info. So no full disclosure so we can move on. I'm still crying. If we found out there was some underlying reason for the medication it would be easier, but an accidental od, just such a watse of a beautiful life.

I have a headache from the crying. I'm still stuck on why fentanyl? It's just all so odd. There's a missing piece and it's in the full autopsy/toxicology. I'm sure the family knows which hopefully provides some closure for them. I'm starting to cry again

The closest I've come to feeling this desparately distaught was when I lost my daughter in a car accident 12 years ago this coming July. I know I never met him, am not a family member but feel with all that has gone on and the reading I've done since and watching him discuss his beliefs he has become a beloved family member. My husband wants me to talk to a Dr. so they can prescribe ani-depressants! Really after all this he would suggest pills!!!

bondno9 said:

mimi1956 said:

I keep reading on other posts that the autopsy will be released tomorrow, but according to CNN the medical office said they will not be releasing the full autopsy or anymore toxicoligy info. So no full disclosure so we can move on. I'm still crying. If we found out there was some underlying reason for the medication it would be easier, but an accidental od, just such a watse of a beautiful life.

I have a headache from the crying. I'm still stuck on why fentanyl? It's just all so odd. There's a missing piece and it's in the full autopsy/toxicology. I'm sure the family knows which hopefully provides some closure for them. I'm starting to cry again

I wonder if he switched to fentanyl recently because the percocet was losing its potentcy.