Dibblekins said:

I wonder if the 'scar, left hip' indicates that he DID have hip surgery, after all.

That's what I think.

Guitarhero said:

babynoz said:

GirlBrother said:

tmo1965 said: "Fifty times more potent than heroin." https://en.m.wikipedia.or...i/Fentanyl How did he even ride a bicycle, let alone stand up?

From your link.

Fentanyl's most common side-effects (more than 10% of patients) include diarrhea, nausea, constipation, dry mouth, somnolence, confusion, asthenia (weakness), sweating, and less frequently (3 to 10% of patients) abdominal pain, headache, fatigue, anorexia and weight loss, dizziness, nervousness, hallucinations, anxiety, depression, flu-like symptoms, dyspepsia (indigestion), dyspnea (shortness of breath), hypoventilation, apnea, and urinary retention. Fentanyl use has also been associated with aphasia.^[6]

Despite being a more potent analgesic, fentanyl tends to induce less nausea, as well as less histamine-mediated itching, in relation to morphine.^[33]

Fentanyl may produce more prolonged respiratory depression than other opioid analgesics.^{[34][35][36][37][38][39][40]} In 2006 the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) began investigating several respiratory deaths, but doctors in the United Kingdom were not warned of the risks with fentanyl until September 2008.^[41] The FDA reported in April 2012 that young children had died or become seriously ill from accidental exposure to a fentanyl skin patch.[42

Hate to grasp the Somnolence word, but his problem was he couldn't sleep, was awake for days... His chef said he was only eating mild liquid foods lately because of upset stomachs and some abdominal pain.

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KingSausage said:

mrwiggles said:

I dunno but fentanyl? That certainly was a curve ball.

Yeah, that was unexpected. Fentanyl is some crazy shit.

There were rumblings of fentanyl abuse via patches, albeit tabloidy type stories, but it was out there.

That Fentanyl stuff sounds horrible. He must have been in a lot of pain. Also, I think we will probably have to accept that we will not know everything about this. I'm not even sure we should - some things are just private. And even official reports read on live TV under oath by Obama won't stop conspiracy speculations. That's just how people are.

GirlBrother said:

babynoz said:

From your link.

Can't believe that it's so potent that children can die from contact with a patch... ...And Prince wasn't much heavier than a ten year-old child.

That part shocked me too. I hope I never have to get anywhere near fentanyl.

Dibblekins said:

I wonder if the 'scar, left hip' indicates that he DID have hip surgery, after all.

Don't know if you look at posts on some of his very early pictures there is a thin scar that goes around his left hip. So unless it was a very early surgery?

tmo1965 said:

Dibblekins said:

I wonder if the 'scar, left hip' indicates that he DID have hip surgery, after all.

That's what I think.

Some people and myself have recently noticed a scar on his left hip the other day, it was on an old photo (from early eighties). When I saw it I thought that he might even have had a hip problem history like a lot of children have in early childhood (a very common thing). Just a thought.

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babynoz said:

GirlBrother said:

He wasn't wearing shoes when he died. I don't even know why I find this upsetting. It just is. I always had this idea that Prince was always being Prince 24/7. I guess whatever pain he was in, was eased by not wearing shoes.

I was a little surprised he was wearing briefs too. And that he was 5'3. I always read 5'2.

He was still wearing his cap which is why I wondered if he actually passed on the 20th?

Junglehop said:

mimi1956 said:

But what about the autopsy, was the Fentanyl for a specific problem, it is a cancer drug. What test results was the Dr. taking to him the day he was found dead. There are still so many unanswered questions.

Fentanyl is not just a cancer drug - stop spreading alarmist falsehoods. Fentanyl is used for a wide range of pain management such as osteoporosis, arthritic pain, and yes hip pain before and post surgery. Do some research and educate yourself... …and quit with the conspiracy theories and burying your head in the sand.

Rude much, I'm stating what CNN had said.

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bondno9 said:

Junglehop said:

mimi1956 said: Fentanyl is not just a cancer drug - stop spreading alarmist falsehoods. Fentanyl is used for a wide range of pain management such as osteoporosis, arthritic pain, and yes hip pain before and post surgery. Do some research and educate yourself... …and quit with the conspiracy theories and burying your head in the sand.

According to the National Institute of Health fentanyl should be used only to treat breakthrough cancer pain (sudden episodes of pain that occur despite around-the-clock treatment with pain medication) in cancer patients at least 18 years of age (or at least 16 years of age if taking Actiq brand lozenges) who are taking regularly scheduled doses of another narcotic (opiate) pain medication, and who are tolerant (used to the effects of the medication) to narcotic pain medications.This medication should not be used to treat pain other than chronic cancer pain

https://www.nlm.nih.gov/m...3.html#why

Thank you, others can be just too rude.

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RiotPaisley said:

bondno9 said:

Junglehop said:

mimi1956 said: Fentanyl is not just a cancer drug - stop spreading alarmist falsehoods. Fentanyl is used for a wide range of pain management such as osteoporosis, arthritic pain, and yes hip pain before and post surgery. Do some research and educate yourself... …and quit with the conspiracy theories and burying your head in the sand.

According to the National Institute of Health fentanyl should be used only to treat breakthrough cancer pain (sudden episodes of pain that occur despite around-the-clock treatment with pain medication) in cancer patients at least 18 years of age (or at least 16 years of age if taking Actiq brand lozenges) who are taking regularly scheduled doses of another narcotic (opiate) pain medication, and who are tolerant (used to the effects of the medication) to narcotic pain medications.This medication should not be used to treat pain other than chronic cancer pain

https://www.nlm.nih.gov/m...3.html#why

SHOULD.

KingSausage said:

PeteSilas said:

this is why we need proof so rumors don't spiral out of control. People still say Jimi hendrix was murdered, in fact, I think the doc who did his autopsy said that, turns out he had his license yanked by the time he said this because he was a quack.

We don't need more evidence to prevent ridiculous tumors and conspiracy theories from taking off. Small gaps in the available evidence don't demand crazy speculation. It's not 0 or 100 here. That's a logical fallacy.

maybe not from you or me, but so people don't run off with craziness. Did he have cancer? Did he have anything else? Was it just pain? Personally, it would be a lot easier to swallow if he had some terminal disease, it's hard to accept another hero dying from something so foolish.

Phishanga said:

PurpleGypsy52 said:

mrwiggles said:

I dunno but fentanyl? That certainly was a curve ball.

There comes a point with chronic pain that Percocet doesn't help. Next option is fentanyl. My doctor tried to prescribe it years ago. I told him no way I would deal with the pain because there isn't anything that is much stronger and I wanted more options, God forbid for the future. Unless you live with chronic pain every day, you have no idea what it is like. So it didn't surprise me that he was taking fentany. I pass no judgment on Prince and never will. Chronic pain is horrible. I know first hand.

fuck yea it's horrible, i got sick off some bad chicken or something a few weeks ago, at some point, you start thinking that death would be better. Those episodes end though, at least for me, I have sympathy for those in chronic pain, i've seen them and feel badly for them and their limited futures.

babynoz said:

GirlBrother said:

He wasn't wearing shoes when he died. I don't even know why I find this upsetting. It just is. I always had this idea that Prince was always being Prince 24/7. I guess whatever pain he was in, was eased by not wearing shoes.

I was a little surprised he was wearing briefs too. And that he was 5'3. I always read 5'2.

He was still wearing his cap which is why I wondered if he actually passed on the 20th?

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Mkilpatrick74 said:

GirlBrother said:

He wasn't wearing shoes when he died. I don't even know why I find this upsetting. It just is. I always had this idea that Prince was always being Prince 24/7. I guess whatever pain he was in, was eased by not wearing shoes.

If he'd been dead for six hours before they found him, that would put the time of death at around 3 a.m. I don't think shoeless is that weird, considering.

GirlBrother said:

babynoz said:

From your link.

Can't believe that it's so potent that children can die from contact with a patch... ...And Prince wasn't much heavier than a ten year-old child.

I weigh 113 pounds and am 63 inches just like Prince. I'm 47. No 10 year olds weighs the same as me, only overweight ones.

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KaresB said:

babynoz said:

I was a little surprised he was wearing briefs too. And that he was 5'3. I always read 5'2.

He was still wearing his cap which is why I wondered if he actually passed on the 20th?

He wasn't 5'3 and the report isn't saying so either. It says 63", which equals 5'25.

It's 5'3".

Fury said:

His estate needs to hold all those trash rags accountable for saying he died of AIDS.

Couldn't agree more.

babynoz said: