BillieBalloon said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

I think they said he had some sort of alternative hip surgery but not replacement.

OK thanks. Not sure what that is though. Unfortunately there may be ODs we don't know about..hence the "I'm fine, I'm fine," attitude. You cannot help anyone until they want to help themselves. I feel terrible that all this could have been avoided. I miss him.

this is where I got to give credit to some of the people i've known who hounded, stalked, harassed their loved one to do what they needed to do and kept them alive longer. Sometimes being a pushy bastard is needed.

savvy said:

PurpleGypsy52 said:

Empress said:

savvy said:

mrwiggles said:

babynoz said:

I take percs when my back flares up and they don't knock me out unless I lie down. It lessens the pain and I feel contented. I'm twice Prince's size though, so they could have affected him more than me.

Have a couple percs left over from recent hernia surgery. Was taking 2 at a time. Heart started beating fast last time I took em. Was floating, ehoric at first then it got old real fast. Got some hydrocodone for bad back. Take a half pill every few days or so. Time to toss it out and pick up some legal medical sativa at Denver. That being said, this story is far from over still mighty fishy. [Edited 6/2/16 12:22pm]

My back flares up badly to the point of being hardly able to move only about three or four times a year. That's the only time I mess with percs and even then I only take one because Im too scared to take more. I've had the same bottle for a year and there's still four pills left.

I use ice packs, heating pad, TENS unit, accupuncture and back exercises. But I could lay down whenever I want unlike poor Prince.

I think we will get the whole story eventually.

PeteSilas said:

mrwiggles said:

PurpleGypsy52 said:

True. I had back surgery that did no fix my problem. Only made it worse.

I dunno but fentanyl? That certainly was a curve ball.

of course the question now is, did he have cancer. People are saying that fentanyl is a cancer drug. Not that I know anything.

So the odds are he had surgery, possibly 2. So there may of been other physical issues or there may not have been. Bascially right back at square one. Really, worst.

BillieBalloon said:

After his first overdose there was no immediate intervention and he went on to overdose again...a week later.

Sad, I know. I wish the intervention had come days earlier.

mrwiggles said:

PeteSilas said:

mrwiggles said:

PurpleGypsy52 said: I dunno but fentanyl? That certainly was a curve ball.

of course the question now is, did he have cancer. People are saying that fentanyl is a cancer drug. Not that I know anything.

I did Wiki. Cancer was listed.

PeteSilas said:

mrwiggles said:

PurpleGypsy52 said: I dunno but fentanyl? That certainly was a curve ball.

of course the question now is, did he have cancer. People are saying that fentanyl is a cancer drug. Not that I know anything.

It's an opiate, a pain killer. No reason to believe it is exclusive to treat pain stemming from cancer.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/drugs-abuse/fentanyl

mimi1956 said:

laurarichardson said:

--- JW are saying their is nothing in their doctrine that stop surgery. You can even use your own blood for a transfusion. My guess he was being stubborn and did not want to take off time from working. Look on Prince vault he had no long breaks from touring from 2010 on. He also could have hip issues from sitting at desk all day. Everybody who has hip replacement surgery he is not jumping or running.

This is incorrect misinformation.

JW DO NOT ALLOW blood transfusions at all even if its your own blood.

PeteSilas said:

PeteSilas said:

computerblue77 said:

laurarichardson said:

--- JW are saying their is nothing in their doctrine that stop surgery. You can even use your own blood for a transfusion. My guess he was being stubborn and did not want to take off time from working. Look on Prince vault he had no long breaks from touring from 2010 on. He also could have hip issues from sitting at desk all day. Everybody who has hip replacement surgery he is not jumping or running.

This is incorrect misinformation.

JW DO NOT ALLOW blood transfusions at all even if its your own blood.

You could create a thread about that in the P & R forum. Let's not derail this thread, please stay on topic.

KingSausage said:

savvy said:

Ok. I see a rather generous use of the word "accident" here. If it was purely accidental, then why was he about to get help from an addiction doctor?

He knew there was a problem. He could have fixed it in Moline, but pretense prevented that because they couldn't guarantee a private room.

Prince was supposedly a big fan of personal responsibility, and self-reliance. There is no one to blame but Prince himself. Not "big pharma", not Kirk Johnson, not Denise, not the Paisley Park receptionist, not Tim McVeigh, not ISIS. Prince alone did this to Prince. He had a chance to save himself and he ditched it.

He may not have taken one pill ignoring that it might have been his last, but he had other chances to take care of himself and he didn't.

Yes, Prince decided to take these medications himself and appears to have made other decisions that were unwise (e.g. leaving the hospital just because he couldn't get a private room). However, that doesn't make his overdose deliberate. His overdose was accidental. His intent when taking the medication was to ease pain, not to die.

It's also possible he was taking the medication recreationally (which is a known use of Fentanyl) without the intent to die as well. We just don't know. That's the tough part of this whole thing...

babynoz said:

From your link.

The FDA reported in April 2012 that young children had died or become seriously ill from accidental exposure to a fentanyl skin patch.

computerblue77 said:

laurarichardson said:

Junglehop said:

mimi1956 said:

But what about the autopsy, was the Fentanyl for a specific problem, it is a cancer drug. What test results was the Dr. taking to him the day he was found dead. There are still so many unanswered questions.

Fentanyl is not just a cancer drug - stop spreading alarmist falsehoods. Fentanyl is used for a wide range of pain management such as osteoporosis, arthritic pain, and yes hip pain before and post surgery. Do some research and educate yourself... …and quit with the conspiracy theories and burying your head in the sand.

It's also commonly used as a recreational drug...

mrwiggles said:

Junglehop said:

PeteSilas said:

PurpleGypsy52 said:

gigilamorosa said:

PeteSilas said:

of course the question now is, did he have cancer. People are saying that fentanyl is a cancer drug. Not that I know anything.

No cofactors were listed as contributing to cause of death. You can be pretty certain he didn't have cancer, or HIV, or AIDS.

More then fairly cetrain. It's there in black and white. It's a fact. No other contributing factors. No other signifigant conditions. That ends the speculation on that front.

Junglehop said:

mimi1956 said:

But what about the autopsy, was the Fentanyl for a specific problem, it is a cancer drug. What test results was the Dr. taking to him the day he was found dead. There are still so many unanswered questions.

Fentanyl is not just a cancer drug - stop spreading alarmist falsehoods. Fentanyl is used for a wide range of pain management such as osteoporosis, arthritic pain, and yes hip pain before and post surgery. Do some research and educate yourself... …and quit with the conspiracy theories and burying your head in the sand.

According to the National Institute of Health fentanyl should be used only to treat breakthrough cancer pain (sudden episodes of pain that occur despite around-the-clock treatment with pain medication) in cancer patients at least 18 years of age (or at least 16 years of age if taking Actiq brand lozenges) who are taking regularly scheduled doses of another narcotic (opiate) pain medication, and who are tolerant (used to the effects of the medication) to narcotic pain medications.This medication should not be used to treat pain other than chronic cancer pain

https://www.nlm.nih.gov/m...3.html#why