PeteSilas said:

Strive said:

I was listening to Kevin Smith's first talk on Prince and there were so many warning signs. It's crazy to think that he was living weird and possibly in pain for over 15 years.

"So, the next day, he goes 'I don't think I'll be able to make it today because I have a concert to do at the St. Paul Xcel Arena.' He's like 'I'm going to do the show at night and my leg hurts so I'm not going to do the Q&A today, you're on your own' And I said 'Why's your leg hurt?' And he goes 'I just got something wrong with my knee'. And I was like 'Do you think it's because you always wear heels?' [big laughs from the crowd] And he's like 'what do you mean?' And I was like 'maybe your knee wouldn't hurt so bad if you wore some sneakers every once in awhile' And he goes 'Kevin, it's got nothing to do with sneakers' And I was like 'ok, man. just checking.' You know, we need you Prince."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW7daZ0ptrk

[Edited 5/29/16 2:51am]

Yeah, I think it started with the knee. If I remember right, P tore his patella in 1986 during a show at Madision Square Garden. The show was cut short because of the injury. It probably flared up ever since. The hip pain came later and I'm sure other heel related aches and pains - look up what years of wearing heels does to a body and you'll get the idea...

cardinal said:

RaspberryKiren said:

I didn't even think of that. How very sad

i do think it was the concern of the family and possibly prince himself not to risk any photos of him in death coming out. he was always so private and so careful to look good when he was seen, i think it would break his heart to think people would see him in that state. and not to be crass, but the longer the body is around and the more people have access to it, the higher the risk. also, i think it was said that he had said he did not want a big deal funeral, which is in keeping with his humble and private and jw nature.

That was my thought also. Emotionally it hurt but I could fully understand the reasoning behind it, and accepted as for the best.

morningsong said:

mailaccount63 said:

anangellooksdown said:

I have felt from the beginning that THE HOSPITAL IN MOLINE bears some responsibility for what happened. I hope this is looked at thoroughly.

I have to agree with this.

I'm not saying that I believe anyone is responsible for what happened to Prince, because no one knows all of what happened yet. However, this article may be of interest and discusses kind of what you guys are saying here. It talks about the VIP Syndrome as a possible factor and maybe that Prince didn't get appropriate care because of his star status: http://www.cnn.com/2016/0...index.html

maybe prince didnt want to die in a hospital. iknow i dont. does his family have the right to not release the results maybe prince wouldnt want the world to know

TopazGirl said:

mailaccount63 said:

I have to agree with this.

I'm not saying that I believe anyone is responsible for what happened to Prince, because no one knows all of what happened yet. However, this article may be of interest and discusses kind of what you guys are saying here. It talks about the VIP Syndrome as a possible factor and maybe that Prince didn't get appropriate care because of his star status: http://www.cnn.com/2016/0...index.html

Thanks for the link to this article. Many responders on the Org have wondered whether there was preferential treatment or not. We're eagerly awaiting the results of both the criminal and medical investigations for answers to our questions.

To me the hip problems are speculation. I always thought that was a rumor that wasn't true. I know he did all this jumping in heels, but he only weigh like 90 lbs. Don't get me wrong coming down and landing wrong a couple of times can cause problems. I do recall him getting "turf toe" several years back. Turf toe never fully heals. And wearing high heels aggravates it. Dion Sanders stopped playing football because he was never the same after getting turf toe.

I know Sheila E. mentioned the hip problems but she seemed vague to the point that she really didn't know anything. She also mentioned she was engaged to Prince. Is this true? I thought he was with Sussanah about the time She is claiming Prince proposed to her (Sheila E.) I bring up the engagement story because it just seemed that Sheila E. was saying things that don't seem to be true?

sammy davis jr weighed even less and he had to have hip surgery. He died of cancer not too long after, he could have had it operated on but it involved him never singing agains so he took his chances.

kapo74 said:

Nothing official, but an interesting take on things, nonetheless. I wasn't aware there was an official name for it, but I had a feeling it may have been something like the so called VIP-syndrome. Did Prince suffer from 'VIP syndrome'? http://www.cnn.com/2016/0...index.html

Just 4 posts above yours....

MMJas said:

RaspberryKiren said:

So perhaps it depends on the coroner? Thanks Pete.

... I did wonder whether the reason he was cremated, and so fast, was to do with there being something that the family wants to keep hidden, or that Prince expressed a wish to keep private. It just seemed so hasty, so rushed. I'm sure all the tests that needed to be done have been done but maybe they were hoping that a quick ceremony would put things to rest faster, so to speak - but in fact it's only increased speculation. I do hope that if Prince expressed his views at any stage that they are being respected and that they will be taken into account with regards to how the information is released eventually.

I think the family had him cremated so soon because there was a real danger of body desecration. There are some nutters out there.
Since he was so private, I believe his family made sure things were kept as private as possible. It must be really scary being in that situation, having to handle the logistics with a body that many newspapers and crazy fans would attempt to photograph, for instance. I mean, they all saw what happened with MJ, WH, etc.

[Edited 5/26/16 15:46pm]

I agree about the privacy. But I don't understand why people think the creamation was fast. There is no reason to wait if there is not going to be a viewing. Cremation the next day is pretty typical. You want it done fast because of decomposing. Would people prefer that he lay in a freezer for a few days first?

TopazGirl said:

cardinal said:

cardinal said:

avajane said:

kapo74 said:

Nothing official, but an interesting take on things, nonetheless. I wasn't aware there was an official name for it, but I had a feeling it may have been something like the so called VIP-syndrome. Did Prince suffer from 'VIP syndrome'? http://www.cnn.com/2016/0...index.html

Jeez. I hope not. But when I heard he left that hospital in Moline because he could not get a private room, I started to wonder.

simm0061 said:

anangellooksdown said:

In Moline, Prince's team not only asked for - but demanded (maybe eventually) - a private room for him. When the hospital (Trinity Hospital) said that wasn't possible, he left. I want to know why a private room for a man swamped with paparazzi all the time who was also in such a crucially vulnerable situation - wasn't possible. There are many newspaper articles like this one from good sources: http://www.qconline.com/n...6d30e.html [Edited 5/30/16 17:34pm]

You hear so many different things about everything. I read where it said someone from the hospital had stated that this was untrue, that there was a private room available but that Prince just didn't want to stay, and that this excuse was used by Prince's camp to feed to the media.

this man was terminal, and clearly could only allow himself to pass at home and alone (physically). The pain med treatment folks and other medical professionals were attempting to buy him a little bit more tolerable time b/c he was striving to finish his memoir and/or something else creative in these difficult last days. May we all be as determined, purposeful, faithful, and selfless in our own respective ends.

For the love of God, has a toxicology report ever taken this long to complete?

it is not problematic to get a private hospital room, although his team was seemingly not all that educated/experienced in many arenas. Simply indicating exposure to certain countries or infections (whether true or not) would get you a fastpass to a quarantined "private" room.

Next, it was indicated that his infant son was cremated promptly and at his direction, has no one made that connection regarding his cremation inquiries?

Last, doesn't matter if the Sheriff appears to be a nice guy. Everyone can be paid off, and any number of authorities and underlings with access can and will be.

Conor said:

Did Prince suffer from 'VIP syndrome'?

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/29/opinions/vip-syndrome-prince-klitzman/index.html

Sorry. I should have looked above.

anangellooksdown said:

In Moline, Prince's team not only asked for - but demanded (maybe eventually) - a private room for him. When the hospital (Trinity Hospital) said that wasn't possible, he left. I want to know why a private room for a man swamped with paparazzi all the time who was also in such a crucially vulnerable situation - wasn't possible. There are many newspaper articles like this one from good sources:
http://www.qconline.com/news/local/local-hospitals-moline-quiet-on-prince-information-requests/article_3d4dc53f-1e5c-56ea-9e50-2cbfece6d30e.html [Edited 5/30/16 17:34pm]

The article states the private room story is "According to TMZ.com".

The section about Prince isn't real newspaper reporting by a journalist and it says so:

"The celebrity news website TMZ.com has reported"

"According to TMZ.com"

"Citing unnamed sources, TMZ.com reported"

I'm not aware of any newspaper articles with other or good sources confirming the story about the private room, however would like to see them if they exist.

lrcrouse said:

does his family have the right to not release the results maybe prince wouldnt want the world to know

Here is the law in MN. Below is a partial paste, use link to read the complete law:

https://www.revisor.mn.go.../?id=13.83

Subd. 2.Public data.

Unless specifically classified otherwise by state statute or federal law, the following data created or collected by a medical examiner or coroner on a deceased individual are public: name of the deceased; date of birth; date of death; address; sex; race; citizenship; height; weight; hair color; eye color; build; complexion; age, if known, or approximate age; identifying marks, scars and amputations; a description of the decedent's clothing; marital status; location of death including name of hospital where applicable; name of spouse; whether or not the decedent ever served in the armed forces of the United States; occupation; business; father's name (also birth name, if different); mother's name (also birth name, if different); birthplace; birthplace of parents; cause of death; causes of cause of death; whether an autopsy was performed and if so, whether it was conclusive; date and place of injury, if applicable, including work place; how injury occurred; whether death was caused by accident, suicide, homicide, or was of undetermined cause; certification of attendance by physician; physician's name and address; certification by coroner or medical examiner; name and signature of coroner or medical examiner; type of disposition of body; burial place name and location, if applicable; date of burial, cremation or removal; funeral home name and address; and name of local register or funeral director.

Subd. 4.Investigative data.

Data created or collected by a county coroner or medical examiner which are part of an active investigation mandated by chapter 390, or any other general or local law relating to coroners or medical examiners are confidential data or protected nonpublic data, until the completion of the coroner's or medical examiner's final summary of findings

mailaccount63 said:

avajane said:

Okay sure, but Prince lived in Minneapolis where it was easy for him to keep things confidential and he was an expert at maintaining his privacy, so this doesn't really apply to him.

I, with the greatest of respect, believe that it exactly applies to Prince. It wouldn't have mattered if Prince would of lived in Antartica, Prince was an absolute musical genius and had such a massive devoted fanbase, that it DID apply to him. Because of this, Prince got away with a lot of things, that people like my cousin who also has severe chronic pain (hers diagnosed as degenerative arthritis and spinal stenosis) do NOT get away with. My cousin's doctors count every pain pill every month - she has to go see her Pain Management Doctor once a month, where her pain pills (she takes a mixture of things for pain relief) get counted. Doctors are people too, and when they get stars in their eyes from treating a celebrity, it can ultimately become the celebrity's undoing. We have more than one example of this.

There was a leak that the police found no evidence of doctor shopping and the DEA was investigating if aliases were used and that was coming up empty.

The problem is that all of this is not verified by anyone just leaked to the press.

Another thing to remember here is that Michael B Padden is releasing this information to the press.

Padden was the lawyer for Duane Nelson and Lorna Nelson who are both dead and both had been involved in controversy with Prince. Lorna sued Prince in 1988 for supposedly stealing her song What's Cooking In My Book and changing it to U Got The Look. She died in 2006.

Duane Nelson was a bodyguard for Prince who Prince banished after he became addicted to cocaine and started selling Prince bootlegs. He was supposedly the source for many of the bootlegs that surfaced in the 1990's.