schnupp said:

well if that document is an official one, it breaks my heart, that first of all, we all get to read those personal details which really are none of our business. and then it even breaks my heart more to read that he didn't even have his pyjamas on
he must have laid there for ages then. oh this all is so very, very sad. if only it all would have went differently. I just hope so very much he was not scared. but just fell aslepp very fast.

love to you all, purple family. what a sad day.

[Edited 6/2/16 11:55am]

He may have passed on the 20th, lord bless him. They didn't nail down the TOD in this report.

While I've lurked on this page for a while, this is my first post. I just saw the fentanyl report on CNN, and thought I might shed some additional light on the subject. As several other posters have stated, fentanyl is incredibly dangerous and often lethal. because I liove in an area with a high rate of opiate addiction, I've done quite a bit of reserach on the subject over the past year or so. Normally, this stuff is only prescribed to people suffering extreme pain (as in something far more significant than hip issues). Please don't think I'm minimizing Prince's underlying condition because I'm not. While many of you may be aware that heroin dealers often cut their product with fentanyl in order to increase it potemncy and decrease their costs, because of the slew of deaths in my area, I ended up learning the following: There are labs in China that produce not only fentanyl, but also pills designed to look like percocet, oxycontin, etc. that are laced with fentanyl for the same reasons I previously mentioned. From what I'm reading, these pills look identical to the opiods one would pick up from a pharmacy. I'm in no way saying this to demonize Prince. What I'm saying is that either a.) a doctor screwed up badly, or b.) someone obtained "percocet" for Prince from a dealer and inadvertantly ended up with fentanyl-laced pills. Either way, I want the guilty party held accountable.

https://www.statnews.com/2016/04/05/fentanyl-traced-to-china/

Why am I getting it was a patch not pills?

Where are people seeing that it was a patch?

morningsong said:

StillWouldStand said:

StillWouldStand said:

Where are people seeing that it was a patch?

The licensed versions of fentanyl are either patches or short acting lozenge/lollipops (or ampoules which are used in hospitals during and after operations).

If prince was using any other form, it would not be a standard licensed medicine.

Since the report does not mention illegal drugs, I think people are naturally assuming that he would have been using patches, because that's the way fentanyl usually comes. I suppose he could have got hold of ampoules - look at what MJ managed to get hold of. I can see why there may well be a criminal investigation going on - if obtained via prescription the question will be whether this was a clinically justifiable treatment and whether proper monitoring was in place.

Not that any of this changes things really.

headtripparade said:

Well, that didn't clear up any speculations, that's just going to create more. Great.

tiggerlane said:

Okay, so maybe this has been discussed before...but please enlighten me.

Are opioids the SAME as fentanyl?

Is percocet the SAME thing as fentanyl??

I know nothing about pain pills, besides what I've read about here on the .org.

Google has all the answers.

I wonder how long he had been using fentanyl. Is it really years like the dealer from California said?

If so, what changed recently to Make P go 'off the rails' - because he absolutely did start to get noticeably more frail over his last few months. Why? If he managed to stay on a pretty even keel, churn out albums, tour like crazy and look about 20 years younger than he actually was, what made things change? Was it just time catching up with him?

I do wonder about the 'staying up for 6 days' thing and his weight loss and the failure to eat and drink.

Severe dehydration can cause Acute Kidney Injury (AKI) - this can cause your kidneys to stop working effectively:

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/acute-kidney-injury/pages/introduction.aspx

Most cases of AKI are caused by reduced blood flow to the kidneys, usually in someone who is already unwell with another health condition.

This reduced blood flow could be caused by:

• low blood volume after bleeding, excessive vomiting or diarrhoea, or as seen with severe dehydration

Now there is nothing to suggest that P did have any underlying conditions (or nothing in the report anyway), but he looked thin and frail and I wonder whether simply not having an adequate fluid intake tipped him over into opiate toxicity.

Opiates are cleared by the kidneys, so it can mean that a dose which was 'normal' suddenly becomes toxic if it isn't being cleared in the way it usually is.

babynoz said:

schnupp said:

well if that document is an official one, it breaks my heart, that first of all, we all get to read those personal details which really are none of our business. and then it even breaks my heart more to read that he didn't even have his pyjamas on
he must have laid there for ages then. oh this all is so very, very sad. if only it all would have went differently. I just hope so very much he was not scared. but just fell asleep very fast.

love to you all, purple family. what a sad day.

[Edited 6/2/16 11:55am]

He may have passed on the 20th, lord bless him. They didn't nail down the TOD in this report.

hopefully he just fell asleep in a millisecond and that was it. hopefully.

wow. fentanyl is no joke. if you look on the equianalgesic chart, it's about 50-100x stronger than morphine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equianalgesic

and here we were worried about percocet.

StillWouldStand said:

While I've lurked on this page for a while, this is my first post. I just saw the fentanyl report on CNN, and thought I might shed some additional light on the subject. As several other posters have stated, fentanyl is incredibly dangerous and often lethal. because I liove in an area with a high rate of opiate addiction, I've done quite a bit of reserach on the subject over the past year or so. Normally, this stuff is only prescribed to people suffering extreme pain (as in something far more significant than hip issues). Please don't think I'm minimizing Prince's underlying condition because I'm not. While many of you may be aware that heroin dealers often cut their product with fentanyl in order to increase it potemncy and decrease their costs, because of the slew of deaths in my area, I ended up learning the following: There are labs in China that produce not only fentanyl, but also pills designed to look like percocet, oxycontin, etc. that are laced with fentanyl for the same reasons I previously mentioned. From what I'm reading, these pills look identical to the opiods one would pick up from a pharmacy. I'm in no way saying this to demonize Prince. What I'm saying is that either a.) a doctor screwed up badly, or b.) someone obtained "percocet" for Prince from a dealer and inadvertantly ended up with fentanyl-laced pills. Either way, I want the guilty party held accountable.

https://www.statnews.com/2016/04/05/fentanyl-traced-to-china/

someone in the other thread posted an article from a minnesota paper about an increase in deaths in Minnesota from this....

So then this sad story was true?

.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3555292/Prince-s-former-drug-dealer-reveals-extent-addiction.html

LyraB said:

I wonder how long he had been using fentanyl. Is it really years like the dealer from California said?

If so, what changed recently to Make P go 'off the rails' - because he absolutely did start to get noticeably more frail over his last few months. Why? If he managed to stay on a pretty even keel, churn out albums, tour like crazy and look about 20 years younger than he actually was, what made things change? Was it just time catching up with him?

If we take away the fact that he was good looking, wore makeup, fancy clothes, probably colored his grey hairs, ate healthy food, had amazing style, wore glasses, took pictures with perfect lighting... I'd say he looked pretty healthy and young for a 57 year old. Andre Cymone actually looked just as young, if not younger. And looking your age is not a bad thing. Looking unhealthy however, might say something about your bad health. And bad health is not a good thing.

morningsong said:

Well, that didn't clear up any speculations, that's just going to create more. Great.

Exactly, I agree.

Azrael123 said:

So then this sad story was true?

.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3555292/Prince-s-former-drug-dealer-reveals-extent-addiction.html

.

Wow. I thought that was bullshit when I read it, but he knew about the fentanyl, which is way stronger and more serious than percocet.

Azrael123 said:

So then this sad story was true?

.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3555292/Prince-s-former-drug-dealer-reveals-extent-addiction.html

I still don't know if that's true because this does not sound like something that can be abused over a period of years? Wouldn't it have killed him long ago?

Somebody who knows will chime in hopefully.

Mintchip said:

Azrael123 said:

So then this sad story was true?

.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3555292/Prince-s-former-drug-dealer-reveals-extent-addiction.html

.

Wow. I thought that was bullshit when I read it, but he knew about the fentanyl, which is way stronger and more serious than percocet.

Yeah, but there's no way he was taking Fentanyl for that long. Dodging some MAJOR bullets if he was. I think the story is BS and he just got lucky with naming one of the drugs...

starkitty said:

wow. fentanyl is no joke. if you look on the equianalgesic chart, it's about 50-100x stronger than morphine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equianalgesic

and here we were worried about percocet.

Yes it is.

I am a physician.

Fentanyl is used to treat patients with cancer who are on their death bed. The real question is why was Prince being prescribed Fentanyl. It's not a medication used to treat persistent pain after hip surgery.

In case this was missed:

http://www.startribune.com/prince-died-from-opioid-overdose/381663221/

Oh I see it on the previous page. Never mind.

I'm sorry for those still grieving... try to remember, he's at peace and with God now, he has been since the moment he left.

[Edited 6/2/16 14:32pm]

ComeHereLetMeCutYourHair said:

starkitty said:

wow. fentanyl is no joke. if you look on the equianalgesic chart, it's about 50-100x stronger than morphine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equianalgesic

and here we were worried about percocet.

Yes it is.

I am a physician.

Fentanyl is used to treat patients with cancer who are on their death bed. The real question is why was Prince being prescribed Fentanyl. It's not a medication used to treat persistent pain after hip surgery.

My question is can fentanyl be abused for a period of years? I ask because people keep quoting some drug dealer in the daily mail who claims he was selling Prince excessive amounts of fentanyl for several years.

This is very sad...

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It seems to me that Prince was in pain (as per Sheila E)...but also never really conquered his inner demons - something some of us are forever haunted by...

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Just gutted...tragic... is an understatement

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No point speculating...as a Coroner once said to me when my Brother committed suicide..."you will never get the answer you are looking for..."

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Take care my purple brothers and sisters...I hope we all reconcile this autopsy without too much pain....

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Prince, wherever you are...thank you...and I hope that you are rested...

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Now off to listen to where he felt most at peace...in his music...

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Will be a restless night tonight