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May 02, 2016

Identity said:

yellowday said:

Yes, that was disgraceful of her.

Would you have preferred that she had carried out a tray of Caviar?

Yeah, like wtf? She's not allowed to eat?

JustErin said:

Identity said:

Would you have preferred that she had carried out a tray of Caviar?

Yeah, like wtf? She's not allowed to eat?

When my father died, I didn't eat all day, when we went to go make the final arrangments, I went to get out of the car and almost past out and only then did I realize that I hadn't eaten all day. I stood there and had to hoover a bag of stale doritos that my brother found in his glove box (not my finest moment). My point is; if a camera took a picture of me stuffing my face full of doritoes in the funeral palor parking lot in that moment, out of context, I might not have looked as 'distraught' as I 'should be' either. But I assure you, I was. A picture can be deceiving. Cut the woman some slack.

Nikkigrrrll said:

JustErin said:

Yeah, like wtf? She's not allowed to eat?

When my father died, I didn't eat all day, when we went to go make the final arrangments, I went to get out of the car and almost past out and only then did I realize that I hadn't eaten all day. I stood there and had to hoover a bag of stale doritos that my brother found in his glove box (not my finest moment). My point is; if a camera took a picture of me stuffing my face full of doritoes in the funeral palor parking lot in that moment, out of context, I might not have looked as 'distraught' as I 'should be' either. But I assure you, I was. A picture can be deceiving. Cut the woman some slack.

I'm failing to understand how eating = not distraught.

JustErin said:

Nikkigrrrll said:

When my father died, I didn't eat all day, when we went to go make the final arrangments, I went to get out of the car and almost past out and only then did I realize that I hadn't eaten all day. I stood there and had to hoover a bag of stale doritos that my brother found in his glove box (not my finest moment). My point is; if a camera took a picture of me stuffing my face full of doritoes in the funeral palor parking lot in that moment, out of context, I might not have looked as 'distraught' as I 'should be' either. But I assure you, I was. A picture can be deceiving. Cut the woman some slack.

I'm failing to understand how eating = not distraught.

I know right? I can't imagine what it's like to have the world watching you grieve and critizing what you eat (or if they think you should even be eating in the first place.) or if they think your 'distraught' enough, what you look like, on top of actually losing you brother so suddenly. It must be awful.

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Nikkigrrrll said:

JustErin said:

I'm failing to understand how eating = not distraught.

I know right? I can't imagine what it's like to have the world watching you grieve and critizing what you eat (or if they think you should even be eating in the first place.) or if they think your 'distraught' enough, what you look like, on top of actually losing you brother so suddenly. It must be awful.

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I can't imagine how anyone can have the audacity to even think they can dictate how others should grieve or handle the death of a family member.

I am so grossed out by some org members.

JustErin said:

NinaB said:

JustErin said:

I can't imagine how anyone can have the audacity to even think they can dictate how others should grieve or handle the death of a family member.

I am so grossed out by some org members.

Unfortunately in my personal experience it's not uncommon

Unfortunately you're right. The old saying: "Opinions are like assholes..." it's just a shame thats all.

beatz01 said:

Didn't someone on the org (who seemed to be savy with legal matters) say that according to Minnesotian Law a person can deliver their will kind of anonymously to the courts and that document will only be disclosured (and the fact that it even exists) when a death certificate has been issued - which in Prince's case hasn't been issued yet because that again can only be done after autopsy results have come in ?

Highlight is not true. The death record had to be filed before he could be cremated. Once the death record is filed, a death certificate can be issued. Cause of death is not required.

http://www.health.state.m...tutes.html

For each death which occurs in the state, Minnesota Statutes, section 144.221 subpart 1, requires a death record to be filed within five days after death and prior to final disposition.

I thought i read somewhere the certificate had not been issued yet.I'm pretty sure the "secret will" search has not been conducted yet for this or a similar reason (from what i read it sounded like the autopsy reports that have yet to come in play a major role).

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Prince's Half-Brother Speaks Out as Hearings for $300M Estate Begin

05/02
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Alfred Frank Jackson, a half-brother of Prince, is among the late music legend's family members expected to appear in court Monday as the division of Prince's estimated $300 million estate begins.

Jackson, 62, who shares the same mother as his younger half-sibling, described himself as being “pretty surprised” to learn of Prince’s death last month at the age of 57. Jackson, of St. Cloud, Minnesota, shared memories of Prince in an exclusive interview with ABC News.

He remembered his brother as being “real competitive” and a “ladies’ man,” and while he acknowledged not having seen Prince in a while, Jackson said he wrote to him often.

He remembered looking out for his brother when he would get into “a few scrapes” when they were younger.

“Growing up, I protected him ... I was so much taller than him, I protected him,” Jackson said.

Prince, who died at his home in Minnesota, had no known will or trust, according to his sister, Tyka Nelson. It's expected that Prince's estate, worth an estimated $300 million, will be divided between Nelson and his five half-siblings, if state law is followed.

Frank Wheaton, Jackson’s attorney, told ABC News that a judge will lay out the laws and rules of the process during today’s court proceedings. He said he expected that a special administrator will be appointed to perform “a secure assessment of everything that has occurred in Prince's life.”

Wheaton addressed reports of disagreement and negativity among family members, including that Jackson was not invited to the musician’s memorial. Wheaton said Jackson had a “heartwarming” visit to Paisley Park, Prince’s home in Chanhassen in the Minneapolis suburbs, after the singer’s death.

“The rumor mill is at work and some of the things that have happened we know should be afforded an inadvertent behavior as opposed to a purpose-filled behavior,” he said. “Even things that Alfred has had to go through, we know that some of them were not purposeful. But nonetheless we have done everything we could to be respectful to this process.”

Wheaton added that any misgivings were put to rest after the family met.

“If you saw the hugs that were given, you would know that this is a family that loved one another no matter what ... Alfred contacted me through his brother and said, ‘I want you to be here to make certain that I have an opportunity to sit at the table’ and everyone welcomed him accordingly,” he said.

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Prince's Siblings Agree to Openly Communicate' with Each Other as They Meet in Court

05/02

Prince's sister Tyka Nelson and four of the singer's half-siblings met in court today for a hearing about the music legend's reported $250 million estate.

The singer's 55-year-old sister appeared in front of a judge in Chaska, Minnesota, on Monday in a hearing to formally appoint the "special administrator" who will handle Prince's estate.

A lawyer for Bremer Bank and Trust, the institution appointed to handle the singer's estate, said that while no will for the singer has been found, the bank is continuing to search for one.


Read more here.

beatz01 said:

I thought i read somewhere the certificate had not been issued yet.I'm pretty sure the "secret will" search has not been conducted yet for this or a similar reason (from what i read it sounded like the autopsy reports that have yet to come in play a major role).

The bank is legally obligated to do certain things. Many if not most of those things will require a death certificate. There is nothing about an incomplete autopsy report that relieves them of their legal obligations, and nothing reported that I've seen indicating the judge has relieved them of any legal obligations. I would be interested in reading coverage that says anything different.

Woman Says She Is Late Star's Half Sister, Makes Claim on His Fortune

05/02

A woman named Darcell Gresham Johnston has come forward claiming to be Prince's half sister and has filed court documents claiming she is a beneficiary in the late singer's estate.


In the legal document signed Sunday and obtained by PEOPLE, Johnston – who is not listed as an heir in court documents – says she is an "interested party" and also consents to the "appointment of Bremer Trust, National Assocation as Special Administrator for the Estate."

The court will have the final say on the legitimacy of Johnston's claim.

According to TMZ, Johnston has a different father than Prince, and some members of his family "only learned of Darcell's existence a few days ago."

Link

Eileen said:

beatz01 said:

Didn't someone on the org (who seemed to be savy with legal matters) say that according to Minnesotian Law a person can deliver their will kind of anonymously to the courts and that document will only be disclosured (and the fact that it even exists) when a death certificate has been issued - which in Prince's case hasn't been issued yet because that again can only be done after autopsy results have come in ?

Highlight is not true. The death record had to be filed before he could be cremated. Once the death record is filed, a death certificate can be issued. Cause of death is not required.

http://www.health.state.m...tutes.html

For each death which occurs in the state, Minnesota Statutes, section 144.221 subpart 1, requires a death record to be filed within five days after death and prior to final disposition.

That statement doesn't invalidate the highlight. The highlight isn't referring to death records. It's specifically talking about the death certificate - which doesn't become public until the cause is on there.

Identity said:

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Prince's Siblings Agree to Openly Communicate' with Each Other as They Meet in Court

05/02

Prince's sister Tyka Nelson and four of the singer's half-siblings met in court today for a hearing about the music legend's reported $250 million estate.

The singer's 55-year-old sister appeared in front of a judge in Chaska, Minnesota, on Monday in a hearing to formally appoint the "special administrator" who will handle Prince's estate.

A lawyer for Bremer Bank and Trust, the institution appointed to handle the singer's estate, said that while no will for the singer has been found, the bank is continuing to search for one.


Read more here.

Tyka looks pretty, but brother in law disturbs me

beatz01 said:

Didn't someone on the org (who seemed to be savy with legal matters) say that according to Minnesotian Law a person can deliver their will kind of anonymously to the courts and that document will only be disclosured (and the fact that it even exists) when a death certificate has been issued - which in Prince's case hasn't been issued yet because that again can only be done after autopsy results have come in ?

Eileen said:

Highlight is not true. The death record had to be filed before he could be cremated. Once the death record is filed, a death certificate can be issued. Cause of death is not required.

http://www.health.state.m...tutes.html

For each death which occurs in the state, Minnesota Statutes, section 144.221 subpart 1, requires a death record to be filed within five days after death and prior to final disposition.

DiscoBallz said:

That statement doesn't invalidate the highlight. The highlight isn't referring to death records. It's specifically talking about the death certificate - which doesn't become public until the cause is on there.

The statute in the above link does refer to the death certificate. Your point doesn't seem the same point being discussed, so I'm not clear on what it is. Nor your evidence as to when the death certificate can "become public" and what that means for these points.

http://www.health.state.m...gible.html

All Minnesota death records and most Minnesota birth records are public.

If a person had already filed their will with the court, and it was being held until the event of their death - we are already beyond the point in Prince's death where the court would have enough evidence to disclose and use the will. They wouldn't continue ruling that there was 'no will' while waiting for more data. Which was the other point in the op.

luvsexy4all said:

if his lawyers dont know about it ..how could he have a will?

Yes that is the bit i don't understand - if he had a will and obviously lawyers know he has left earth. The will comes into play - why has no one said hey, there is one. Let me dig it out. I don't get why people are behaving as if we are living in the dark ages and his will be will only one copy stored in some weird capsule somewhere.

strawberrybubblegum said:

luvsexy4all said:

if his lawyers dont know about it ..how could he have a will?

Yes that is the bit i don't understand - if he had a will and obviously lawyers know he has left earth. The will comes into play - why has no one said hey, there is one. Let me dig it out. I don't get why people are behaving as if we are living in the dark ages and his will be will only one copy stored in some weird capsule somewhere.

Some folks seem to be speculating that Prince just wrote one himself I guess. People can do that, a lawyer isn't required to have a will.

Eileen said:

strawberrybubblegum said:

Yes that is the bit i don't understand - if he had a will and obviously lawyers know he has left earth. The will comes into play - why has no one said hey, there is one. Let me dig it out. I don't get why people are behaving as if we are living in the dark ages and his will be will only one copy stored in some weird capsule somewhere.

Some folks seem to be speculating that Prince just wrote one himself I guess. People can do that, a lawyer isn't required to have a will.

It wouldn't hold up though would it. I mean how do you know the state of mind of the person if he writes some stuff down and shoves it away. Or even that it wasn't written under duress?

It's my understanding that in the state of Minneosota, without two adult witnesses, a handwritten will is not valid regardless of whether it's signed. If Prince created a will, where are the witnesses?

I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some legal benefit to letting the laws in place take over. So far the siblings are in agreement. Granted final decisions haven't been made. But what if all the legal i's and t's wrap up in a few months, and all remaining contracts that are already in place simply take effect, where's the draw back?

Identity said:

It's my understanding that in the state of Minneosota, without two adult witnesses, a handwritten will is not valid regardless of whether it's signed. If Prince created a will, where are the witnesses?

You are correct and that's another good point, about the witnesses.

There is one exception although it could be tough to prove. If a will is written in another state and complies with the laws of that other state, then it would be valid here. However it would have to be proven to the court that it was written and completed in that other state.

theyre STLL looking for a will..

eyewishuheaven said:

Man, what a nightmare.

Yes, a Will would have made everything go smoother.

The probate process can, and probably will in this case, take a long time to process. But it was going to take a long time anyway, with or without a Will because Prince's Estate is so massive.

To my knowledge, the official Death Certificate hasn't been issued yet. The first hearing(s) have been held. The family members have been established. No known Will has been declared to the Court. An Administrator of the Estate has been appointed.

In the next step of the Estate, EVERYTHING must be inventoried and valued. This is going to, obviously, take quite a long time. How long? It is going to depend a lot on how organized Prince was. Did Prince have a CPA?!? A CPA (or maybe an attorney? WHO did Prince's tax returns?!?) will greatly increase the speed of this process.

My theory is: Prince was in so much pain, he just didn't care anymore. It is possible, he knew his Estate would be messy anyway, so he just trusted that the Probate Court would sort it all out. <THIS is just one of the many benefits of Probate Court. We just need to trust the men and women of this Probate Court, and let the process run. However, it will take some time.....

And at any time, a Will could still pop up....... I don't think so, but it is always possible.

Rest In Peace, Prince. We will NEVER forget you.

mailaccount63 said:

eyewishuheaven said:

Man, what a nightmare.

Yes, a Will would have made everything go smoother.

The probate process can, and probably will in this case, take a long time to process. But it was going to take a long time anyway, with or without a Will because Prince's Estate is so massive.

To my knowledge, the official Death Certificate hasn't been issued yet. The first hearing(s) have been held. The family members have been established. No known Will has been declared to the Court. An Administrator of the Estate has been appointed.

In the next step of the Estate, EVERYTHING must be inventoried and valued. This is going to, obviously, take quite a long time. How long? It is going to depend a lot on how organized Prince was. Did Prince have a CPA?!? A CPA (or maybe an attorney? WHO did Prince's tax returns?!?) will greatly increase the speed of this process.

My theory is: Prince was in so much pain, he just didn't care anymore. It is possible, he knew his Estate would be messy anyway, so he just trusted that the Probate Court would sort it all out. <THIS is just one of the many benefits of Probate Court. We just need to trust the men and women of this Probate Court, and let the process run. However, it will take some time.....

And at any time, a Will could still pop up....... I don't think so, but it is always possible.

Rest In Peace, Prince. We will NEVER forget you.

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I don't work in Minnesota. But I do freelance in probate in the USA; I and the attorneys that employ me, normally tell clients when they ask: How long will the Estate's administration take? About a year. When real estate is involved (as it is here), it can take longer. This estate is massive; it could take even longer. The next step is the Inventory. The Administrator the Court appointed needs to go through everything and get everything appraised. As they go through Prince's assets, they will continue looking for a Will. WHO did Prince's taxes? Did a CPA do his returns, or maybe an attorney? THIS person will be instrumental in the Inventory step.