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Thread started 05/08/16 12:50pm

donnyenglish

Bremer Trust Already Not Respecting His Legacy

Cancelling the Mixed Blood fundraiser clearly goes against his wishes and the wishes of his family. I understand that Bremer Trust has a duty to secure his assets especially in light of some of the uncertainty regarding his estate, but what happens with his assets has to be more than just a financial calculation. This is what he wanted. This is what his family wanted. I hope that someone other than a financial institution ends up in control. Bremer is off to a bad start.
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Reply #1 posted 05/08/16 12:56pm

mtlfan

Dude, Prince had a giant estate, with tons of assets to sort through. So what's the first thing Bremer Trust does? They drill open a climate-controlled vault filled with precious artifacts prone to deterioration. Couldn't they wait, say, a little more than a week after he died, and hire a safecracker moonlighting from the FBI? They acted like they just discovered Tut's tomb, they couldn't wait to get in there. If Paisley Park gets the Graceland treatment, they just destroyed one of the main attractions.

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Reply #2 posted 05/08/16 12:57pm

RiotPaisley

It's probably just to soon.

It all was too soon.
Surprise, surprise.
Another treat. Another trick.
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Reply #3 posted 05/08/16 12:58pm

endiadj

thought it was reported later that they didn't open the vault?
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Reply #4 posted 05/08/16 1:08pm

donnyenglish

mtlfan said:

Dude, Prince had a giant estate, with tons of assets to sort through. So what's the first thing Bremer Trust does? They drill open a climate-controlled vault filled with precious artifacts prone to deterioration. Couldn't they wait, say, a little more than a week after he died, and hire a safecracker moonlighting from the FBI? They acted like they just discovered Tut's tomb, they couldn't wait to get in there. If Paisley Park gets the Graceland treatment, they just destroyed one of the main attractions.



If their negligence did result in the deterioration or destruction of any priceless contents of the vault, then the family needs to sue them. I can think of nothing more valuable than the contents of his vaults.
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Reply #5 posted 05/08/16 1:11pm

Selena4641

I don't think they're not respecting his legacy. They have a job to do, however unfortunate. I'm thinking one of the main reasons they drilled open the vault was to see if he had any type of will, whether handwritten or on a computer.
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Reply #6 posted 05/08/16 1:12pm

Rimshottbob

And if there had been a will in there?

Of course they had to open it to know exactly where they stood... no good them taking over the estate and divvying everything out and then three years later they decide to finally open the Vault and they find specific instructions from the man himself as to how everything should be handled...

They would have been dumb - and unprofessional - not to open up everything.... it'd be like not going through the man's accounting filing cabinet... saying 'we don't want to disturb that so soon after his demise', we'll come back to it later, and then ploughing without having all the information.

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Reply #7 posted 05/08/16 1:14pm

McD

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Seriously folks, think of the bank's duty. Mega-rich man dies without known will, but with a well-known vault.

Should a will show up after $300m is distributed, giving everything to a random JW, and the bank can't prove they at least peeped in his vault, they would be liable for 300 large.

Even if the will was found somewhere else, not looking for it in a bleedin vault shows dereliction of duty and they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. I'm sure 'drilling' also conjures up much harsher images than the reality.
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Reply #8 posted 05/08/16 1:15pm

antonb

The fact of the matter is ,No one on this site knows whats going on with the Vault. lets see what happens when we know for sure. Its complete speculation and guess work until then.

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Reply #9 posted 05/08/16 1:16pm

gigilamorosa

mtlfan said:

Dude, Prince had a giant estate, with tons of assets to sort through. So what's the first thing Bremer Trust does? They drill open a climate-controlled vault filled with precious artifacts prone to deterioration. Couldn't they wait, say, a little more than a week after he died, and hire a safecracker moonlighting from the FBI? They acted like they just discovered Tut's tomb, they couldn't wait to get in there. If Paisley Park gets the Graceland treatment, they just destroyed one of the main attractions.



The reports of the vault being drilled open were false - one of the siblings has said that it didn't happen.
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Reply #10 posted 05/08/16 1:17pm

DJ2Sad

While I understand Prince would have wanted the gala to go on, there are factors now that Bremer HAS to take into consideration that are going to lead to unpopular decisions. But as the temporary Executor, decisions they make now can have long lasting consequences, so they have to control things in ways Prince wouldn't not have to have worried about if he were still here. A gala like that, while being held for charitable and worthy cause, can draw ANYONE to the place. And even with spending money on tight security, how are you really going to control those with less than good intentions from sneaking and taking and selling pictures of Paisley Park to headlines of "the first look inside Paisley Park since Prince died! This was taken X number of feet away from the elevator where he died!" Or those who try and sell pictures to the headlines of "EXCLUSIVE! Is this THE Vault?" These possibilities are the last things Bremer needs to deal with right now. There are so many security concerns to have a public event at PP right now, IMO, that I feel they made the difficult but right decision. I understand the employees at PP not wanting to cancel it because they want to do what Prince would want and not be the bad guys here. But sadly, the reality is, it is about what is best for Prince's estate and legacy than what Prince would have done. To me, Paisley Park needs to be re-evaluated and "prepared" for future events to be held there, and that is going to take time.

Without a will, Bremer HAS to be the bad guy for now and I don't envy that position because they are in the "can't win" club. But I think this was ultimately the right call, though I do think the organization and/or the Bank should have made this decision way before 5pm on Friday. Once Prince died, with respect to the theatre, I would have had a plan B set up for the gala's venue the very next day. Just my honest opinion.

As for them letting Shonda Rimes use his music in 2 of her shows this past week, he had allowed her to use "Controversy" in Scandal before, so that doesn't raise alarms for me that they are looking to sell out Prince already.

I know it is unlikely, but I do pray they find some kind of will.

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Reply #11 posted 05/08/16 1:22pm

RiotPaisley

I agree. I'd think Bremer Trust knows more about what they are doing.

He didn't not leave instructions. I suppose Bremer would at worst drill the door out and get a replacement put on that they have a code to. It's not raiders of the lost arc. The tapes won't melt. I have a feeling Prince digitized everything anyway.

3 vaults? Main vault and two back ups. At least.

Trust and believe, people stand to get paid off this. They aren't going to be popping champagne bottles all over the equipment.
Surprise, surprise.
Another treat. Another trick.
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Reply #12 posted 05/08/16 1:28pm

headtripparade

Throw me in the "it's a necessary evil" camp. I agree 100% that Bremer Trust is in the "can't win" category--they have so much to protect that it's probably far beyond our comprehension of the situation.

The sad truth is they can't just go on making decisions and conducting business based on what Prince would have wanted when he was alive because he isn't alive anymore. He's gone and Paisley Park (for the time being) is no longer a venue; it is part of a deceased man's estate that is limbo. It has to be protected and handled properly. If Joe Schmoe rich guy who was known for Gatsby style parties passed away, fact is the parties would stop until someone took possession of the mansion and decided to start throwing them again.
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Reply #13 posted 05/08/16 1:41pm

steakfinger

Prince's legacy is irrelevant. The Bremer peeps have a job to do. Prince did not respect his legacy by either not leaving a will or making it incredibly hard to find. It isn't their job to care about his legacy, it's their job to take care of business will the courts figure out who gets the loot. They are temporarily in charge and they are not compelled by anyone to consider Prince's legacy. Are they getting paid to do so? Get serious, peeps. They are legally bound to take care of his assets just like they anyone else in this situation. Why would they know or care about someone's legacy?

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Reply #14 posted 05/08/16 2:05pm

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steakfinger said:

Prince's legacy is irrelevant. The Bremer peeps have a job to do. Prince did not respect his legacy by either not leaving a will or making it incredibly hard to find. It isn't their job to care about his legacy, it's their job to take care of business will the courts figure out who gets the loot. They are temporarily in charge and they are not compelled by anyone to consider Prince's legacy. Are they getting paid to do so? Get serious, peeps. They are legally bound to take care of his assets just like they anyone else in this situation. Why would they know or care about someone's legacy?


/- His legacy is not irrelevant Deleted - langebleu - moderator. The bank has to secure the facilty to secure his assets letting people in the building could result in stolen assets therefore the bank is during their job to protect his assets and legacy Prince banked with this bank for 30 years it is to their advantage to take care of things.
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Reply #15 posted 05/08/16 2:06pm

thedoorkeeper

They would drill out the lock to open the Vault.
Then afterwards a new lock could replace it &
the Vault could be locked back up.
They wouldn't be using pry bars to wrench the door off.
The door wouldn't be ruined.
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Reply #16 posted 05/08/16 2:09pm

jtfolden

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I certainly have more faith in Bremer handling things than I would anyone else, including any so-called family members.

As to Mixed Blood's event being canceled, similar to what someone else said, "I'm sorry Prince's death interferes with your soiree... get over it. It's not about you. Assets have to be inventoried AND protected.

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Reply #17 posted 05/08/16 2:17pm

Nickadoo

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steakfinger said:

Prince's legacy is irrelevant. The Bremer peeps have a job to do. Prince did not respect his legacy by either not leaving a will or making it incredibly hard to find. It isn't their job to care about his legacy, it's their job to take care of business will the courts figure out who gets the loot. They are temporarily in charge and they are not compelled by anyone to consider Prince's legacy. Are they getting paid to do so? Get serious, peeps. They are legally bound to take care of his assets just like they anyone else in this situation. Why would they know or care about someone's legacy?

Well, his legacy isn't irrelevant considering it's his most valuable asset. The net worth of the vault is arguably ten times more valuable than his current estate. I would assume they are handling this the best way they see fit.

Dig if U will the picture of U and Marvin Gaye and the kids.
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Reply #18 posted 05/08/16 2:28pm

PurpleMusic07

We're all still pretty emotional about a lot of things right now but one important thing to keep in mind is that Prince left no will. Period. And if he did he sure made it hard to locate.

If Prince cared about his own legacy and how his estate would have been handled after his death then he would have left instructions so maybe he didnt care. And if this was just shortsighted negligence then however unfortunate whatever happens moving forward is his own damn fault. His former lawyer said it himself that on multiple occassions he tried to talk to Prince about drafting and finalizing a will. Prince wasnt with it.
"Where you are now is in a place that does not require time." - Rest In Power, PRINCE
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Reply #19 posted 05/08/16 2:44pm

mailaccount63

PurpleMusic07 said:

If Prince cared about his own legacy and how his estate would have been handled after his death then he would have left instructions so maybe he didnt care. And if this was just shortsighted negligence then however unfortunate whatever happens moving forward is his own damn fault.

It is my impression that Prince was in too much pain to even consider estate planning.

RIP Prince. We will NEVER forget you. Thank you so much.

"Dearly Beloved:
We are gathered here today 2 get through this thing called: 'Life'."
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Reply #20 posted 05/08/16 2:45pm

mailaccount63

mtlfan said:

Dude, Prince had a giant estate, with tons of assets to sort through. So what's the first thing Bremer Trust does? They drill open a climate-controlled vault filled with precious artifacts prone to deterioration. Couldn't they wait, say, a little more than a week after he died, and hire a safecracker moonlighting from the FBI? They acted like they just discovered Tut's tomb, they couldn't wait to get in there. If Paisley Park gets the Graceland treatment, they just destroyed one of the main attractions.

They are trying to locate a Will.

RIP Prince. We will NEVER forget you. Thank you so much.

"Dearly Beloved:
We are gathered here today 2 get through this thing called: 'Life'."
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Reply #21 posted 05/08/16 2:53pm

mailaccount63

donnyenglish said:

Cancelling the Mixed Blood fundraiser clearly goes against his wishes and the wishes of his family. I understand that Bremer Trust has a duty to secure his assets especially in light of some of the uncertainty regarding his estate, but what happens with his assets has to be more than just a financial calculation. This is what he wanted. This is what his family wanted. I hope that someone other than a financial institution ends up in control. Bremer is off to a bad start.

Bremer Trust has to follow probate law. And they have to make every attempt to locate a Will. When I was employed as a freelance probate paralegal, if the deceased had a safety deposit box or a safe, then 99% of the time that was where their Will was located. Bremer Trust has to make every attempt to locate a Will, and prove to the Court that they have done so. The next step is the Inventory. Bremer Trust has to "inventory" everything in Prince's Estate. That means they need to list (detailed list) each and every item that Prince owned. And they also need to get a value for each item. The Inventory step could take quite some time. It will depend on how detailed Prince was. Who did Prince's tax returns? Did Prince have a CPA? A bookkeeper? An attorney? Who did Prince's tax returns? The more organized the Estate is, the faster this step will go. If Prince was not organized, it could take some time.

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[Edited 5/8/16 15:56pm]

RIP Prince. We will NEVER forget you. Thank you so much.

"Dearly Beloved:
We are gathered here today 2 get through this thing called: 'Life'."
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Reply #22 posted 05/08/16 4:15pm

wouldntulove2l
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mtlfan said:

Dude, Prince had a giant estate, with tons of assets to sort through. So what's the first thing Bremer Trust does? They drill open a climate-controlled vault filled with precious artifacts prone to deterioration. Couldn't they wait, say, a little more than a week after he died, and hire a safecracker moonlighting from the FBI? They acted like they just discovered Tut's tomb, they couldn't wait to get in there. If Paisley Park gets the Graceland treatment, they just destroyed one of the main attractions.

I imagine they were looking for a will.

If a man is considered guilty
For what goes on in his mind
Then give me the electric chair
For all my future crimes"
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Reply #23 posted 05/08/16 4:22pm

wouldntulove2l
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donnyenglish said:

Cancelling the Mixed Blood fundraiser clearly goes against his wishes and the wishes of his family. I understand that Bremer Trust has a duty to secure his assets especially in light of some of the uncertainty regarding his estate, but what happens with his assets has to be more than just a financial calculation. This is what he wanted. This is what his family wanted. I hope that someone other than a financial institution ends up in control. Bremer is off to a bad start.

If Prince had any concern with reagrd to how his affairs / estate was to be handled after his death, then he should have left a will. He didn't to any one's knowledge. That being said, nobody has a right to complain about how is legacy is not being respected. Managing an estate in the aftermath of one's death can be a complicated affair even when there is a will. Imagine the scenario with no will and estate valued at 1,000 times that of your average person.

If a man is considered guilty
For what goes on in his mind
Then give me the electric chair
For all my future crimes"
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Reply #24 posted 05/08/16 4:37pm

PurpleMusic07

mailaccount63 said:



PurpleMusic07 said:


If Prince cared about his own legacy and how his estate would have been handled after his death then he would have left instructions so maybe he didnt care. And if this was just shortsighted negligence then however unfortunate whatever happens moving forward is his own damn fault.


It is my impression that Prince was in too much pain to even consider estate planning.




Prince had all of the 80s (lets start counting post Purple Rain). Prince had all of the 90s. He had a good portion of the 2gs. I love him and his work, but Im not making any excuses for that kind of oversight. You dont wait until shit hits the fan to work on a will, not when youre that well off. Not when you have so much at stake in valuable assets. he fucked up big time. Someone who fought so much for control in all areas professionally, yet doesnt have a will. Maybe the future of his estate was not important to him. Alright I can accept that. it doesnt completely make sense, but I can accept it.
"Where you are now is in a place that does not require time." - Rest In Power, PRINCE
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Reply #25 posted 05/08/16 4:43pm

GirlBrother

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Well, it seems that Tyka is carrying-on the family tradition. lol

https://www.instagram.com...KjJVHsm6n/

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Reply #26 posted 05/08/16 4:54pm

wouldntulove2l
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PurpleMusic07 said:

mailaccount63 said:

It is my impression that Prince was in too much pain to even consider estate planning.

Prince had all of the 80s (lets start counting post Purple Rain). Prince had all of the 90s. He had a good portion of the 2gs. I love him and his work, but Im not making any excuses for that kind of oversight. You dont wait until shit hits the fan to work on a will, not when youre that well off. Not when you have so much at stake in valuable assets. he fucked up big time. Someone who fought so much for control in all areas professionally, yet doesnt have a will. Maybe the future of his estate was not important to him. Alright I can accept that. it doesnt completely make sense, but I can accept it.

Precisely. I love Prince as well but he had a good 30 years to work this out. I'm 37 and I took care of this before I even graduated from college in my early 20s when I could ill afford to. Even if he didn't personally care about his estate or his music / legacy, if he had any concern for his family and those who end up managing the details he would have left a will. Simply put, it's the caring thing to do.

If a man is considered guilty
For what goes on in his mind
Then give me the electric chair
For all my future crimes"
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Reply #27 posted 05/08/16 4:57pm

nursev

GirlBrother said:

Well, it seems that Tyka is carrying-on the family tradition. lol https://www.instagram.com...KjJVHsm6n/ [img:$uid]http://i.imgur.com/7r6pOli.jpeg[/img:$uid]

Well...glad she is focused enough to do it wink

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Reply #28 posted 05/08/16 5:06pm

GirlBrother

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nursev said:


Well...glad she is focused enough to do it wink



lol

I guess some people deal with their grief by issuing takedown notices to 15 second Instagram clips, organising memorials without inviting the deceased's whole family, and eating Flamin' Hot Cheetos.
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Reply #29 posted 05/08/16 5:10pm

mtlfan

My bad. I know Prince was a busy guy, but it amazes me, after all his legal wrangles, that nobody on his team said, you know, Prince, you're megarich and you're in your fifties now, a will should be among your top business priorities. Or maybe they did and Prince left it in code, like, "scramble up all the second lines of my song choruses and it's obvious, the little red corvette goes to Anna Stesia, the doves go to Dorothy Parker..."

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