BombFunk said:

This latest news is unbearable ... all I see now is Prince lying dead for 6 hours in that elevator at Paisley Park, his home, all alone ... no CPR in the world could have brought him back to life that morning when he was (finally) found, oh man this is all making me sad and angry at the same time ...

All of Prince's inner circle should have noticed the dangers when someone overdoses. YOU.DONT.LEAVE.HIM/HER.ALONE. Yet they did, they had fair warning. It isnt the fault of the doctor, the warnings were prominent.

They let him go to Paisley Park alone without any supervision. Next time a music genius overdoses on a plane, you have him stay in the hospital and you cancel the tour. You tell the doctor this is a life or death emergency and your artist is in bad shape to make any rational decision, Pay the consequences, try to save the person.

Trickology said:

BombFunk said:

This latest news is unbearable ... all I see now is Prince lying dead for 6 hours in that elevator at Paisley Park, his home, all alone ... no CPR in the world could have brought him back to life that morning when he was (finally) found, oh man this is all making me sad and angry at the same time ...

All of Prince's inner circle should have noticed the dangers when someone overdoses. YOU.DONT.LEAVE.HIM/HER.ALONE. Yet they did, they had fair warning. It isnt the fault of the doctor, the warnings were prominent.

They let him go to Paisley Park alone without any supervision. Next time a music genius overdoses on a plane, you have him stay in the hospital and you cancel the tour. You tell the doctor this is a life or death emergency and your artist is in bad shape to make any rational decision, Pay the consequences, try to save the person.

As mentioned, his inner circle at the end were not people who could/would stand up to him. It seems this was his choice. Not saying they are blameless or shouldn't have done more, but more and more it appears he chose and designed his own isolation for a reason.

RachB65 said:

Does anyone find it strange that the doctor who was supposed to adminster the Suboxone has not been named or identified as of yet?

The implication so far has been that this doctor is someone who had never met or treated Prince before. No reason to put the name into the public meat grinder.

avajane said:

How about the low red blood cells?

That makes the most sense with two other bits of info: The hospital IV treatment - blood transfusion - and the doctor coming by with test results - updated blood counts.

Eileen said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

BanishedBrian said:

ok now i am just livid. a man whose plan practically dove down a few days earlier, who is agitated (when has anyone seen prince agitated? the man exuded tranquility and explosive energy at once but not agitation), and had AN IV TREATMENT THAT DAY is left alone? and please, no more "he was prince, stubborn, blah blah" this is fricking INSANE, peeps. and what the eff was in that iv and who gets iv medicine and just goes home like nothing happened? alone? damn. i am NOT liking the way this is shaping up. and why the f$ck call ny at 6am on the 20th? these people never heard of 911? [Edited 5/21/16 5:05am]

I've seen Prince agitated. I've also had family members become agitated to the point that they reached psychosis. I wouldn't be so quick to judge everyone involved. People in an agitated state can be very strong willed, so it would not surprise me if Kirk's offer to stay over was rebuffed and he felt powerless to do anything about it, or had no reason to think an OD was imminent.

As to the IV treatments: they are common if you go to a hospital and appear dehydrated. It is SOP. I had one a few months ago after getting food poisoning, and there were no instructions that I needed somebody to stay with me after I was released.

[/quote Didn't Kirk say Prince actually sent him home to TX (?) Because he wanted time alone. He said Prince did that whenever he needed to be alone.

I'm with you Mkilpatrick. I go through exreme pain and extrmem anger at why the hell his best friend would have allowed him to be alone. PERIOD. i would loose my job if it pissed off Prince. I'd sit by his damn door, or have someone else do it because until he received PROFESSIONAL HELP THAT WAS WORKING he SHOULD NOT have been left alone , no matter how stubborn, no matter if one were to loose his job. THIS IS A PERSON'S LIFE HERE!

Trickology said:

BombFunk said:

This latest news is unbearable ... all I see now is Prince lying dead for 6 hours in that elevator at Paisley Park, his home, all alone ... no CPR in the world could have brought him back to life that morning when he was (finally) found, oh man this is all making me sad and angry at the same time ...

All of Prince's inner circle should have noticed the dangers when someone overdoses. YOU.DONT.LEAVE.HIM/HER.ALONE. Yet they did, they had fair warning. It isnt the fault of the doctor, the warnings were prominent.

They let him go to Paisley Park alone without any supervision. Next time a music genius overdoses on a plane, you have him stay in the hospital and you cancel the tour. You tell the doctor this is a life or death emergency and your artist is in bad shape to make any rational decision, Pay the consequences, try to save the person.

WORD.

Hey Purple People... I just want you all to be aware that this waiting period is like the calm before the storm. Once the investigation is underway, concluded, and especially if there are any trials, things will come out into the open. Specifics, evidence, photos, testimonies, etc. After that is over, others will start talking... like does anyone wonder what Prince and Will Smith talked about? I'm just sayin'... it's going to get a lot crazier than it is now.

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Peace.

~G

...and I still believe there is (or was) a will. That will would dictate Paisley Park as a recording school for young audio engineers and musicians. Most money would go to charities... not the JWs, but likely social causes. The vault? Not sure... he'd either say release it or destroy it. Stevie's will says destroy it (if that's still true).

Giovanni777 said:

kimberleymichelle said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

BanishedBrian said:

I've seen Prince agitated. I've also had family members become agitated to the point that they reached psychosis. I wouldn't be so quick to judge everyone involved. People in an agitated state can be very strong willed, so it would not surprise me if Kirk's offer to stay over was rebuffed and he felt powerless to do anything about it, or had no reason to think an OD was imminent.

As to the IV treatments: they are common if you go to a hospital and appear dehydrated. It is SOP. I had one a few months ago after getting food poisoning, and there were no instructions that I needed somebody to stay with me after I was released.

[/quote Didn't Kirk say Prince actually sent him home to TX (?) Because he wanted time alone. He said Prince did that whenever he needed to be alone.

I'm with you Mkilpatrick. I go through exreme pain and extrmem anger at why the hell his best friend would have allowed him to be alone. PERIOD. i would loose my job if it pissed off Prince. I'd sit by his damn door, or have someone else do it because until he received PROFESSIONAL HELP THAT WAS WORKING he SHOULD NOT have been left alone , no matter how stubborn, no matter if one were to loose his job. THIS IS A PERSON'S LIFE HERE!

PP is a huge facility. Prince could've died in his bedroom, bathroom, or office and no one inside would have known. We still don't know if he died instantly or over the course of time. It's just horrible timing that it happened in the middle of the night rather than the daytime when he would've been surrounded by his staff.

A lot of things are still not adding up to me. This article doesn't help matters, either. If anything, it makes everything sound like chaos and confusion. I think even those closest to him do not know the full extent of what was going on. Prince may not have even fully known or wanted to acknowledge it. This is still all speculation, a lot of it...

We have Dr. Kornfeld sending his non-physician son with medications without any apparent consultation with the patient, without any background knowledge, without any records on the patient, without any history, etc. This is simply pathetic and illegal. On top of that, this article claims that another doctor was treating him in Minnesota already for supposed addiction. If that is the case, why was Kornfeld now becoming involved? There is absolutely no reason for him to have been brought into this picture and for his son to have had Suboxone on him, either. There is also no reason for people to be calling others all over this country trying to get him help when if he needed it wouldn't you want help from people right there that are minutes away? This makes me very angry. If someone is supposedly having a "medical crisis" you do NOT place calls to people all over the country thousands of miles away. You call 911--the end.

Another thing that does not make sense is everyone around him seems to have been shocked at what happened. If those around him suspected a serious issue here, and if the plane incident was a foreshadowing of what happened, why are some, including those now being named, so shocked? I hate to compare Prince to MJ, but when MJ died, though some said they saw no issues, those closest to him did come out and say they saw some issues and some warning signs years prior. It seems odd that rather suddenly, over just a few months, he had become dependent on painkillers or that he was now abusing them. In reality, we have no clue what they were actually being used for as we do not know his real medical history. Everyone keeps assuming hip issues but his health issues seem to have only been happening over the past few months or maybe even weeks.

Then, we have Dr. Schulenberg in the picture who is NOT an addiction doctor nor should he be treating any addiction issues and it appears he was not. He could not write for Suboxone, either.

If Prince really had a low red blood cell count, then Kornfeld or any other doctor needed to do a full work up to know that this was an issue and that taking any opioid with a low red blood cell count is a no no as these medications cause respiratory depression and a low red blood cell count can cause serious breathing issues on its own. Combine the two and you have lethal consequences, even if taking this medication as directed, and especially if you do not have much tolerance. If he was just on Perocet his tolerance was likely not that high.

As for him being alone, maybe Kirky J. offered to stay and Prince said no. Yes, naturally none of us would have wanted him to be alone but at the same time, he if asked to be alone then no one could force themselves to stay with him. I do not think Prince planned on dying or think such was going to happen to him that night. What I am angry about is that it seems no one really knew what was going on and kept reaching out further and further from him when there could have been help right there in Chanhassen for whatever ailment he was suffering from at that time.

gatorgirl said:

A lot of things are still not adding up to me. This article doesn't help matters, either. If anything, it makes everything sound like chaos and confusion. I think even those closest to him do not know the full extent of what was going on. Prince may not have even fully known or wanted to acknowledge it. This is still all speculation, a lot of it...

We have Dr. Kornfeld sending his non-physician son with medications without any apparent consultation with the patient, without any background knowledge, without any records on the patient, without any history, etc. This is simply pathetic and illegal. On top of that, this article claims that another doctor was treating him in Minnesota already for supposed addiction. If that is the case, why was Kornfeld now becoming involved? There is absolutely no reason for him to have been brought into this picture and for his son to have had Suboxone on him, either. There is also no reason for people to be calling others all over this country trying to get him help when if he needed it wouldn't you want help from people right there that are minutes away? This makes me very angry. If someone is supposedly having a "medical crisis" you do NOT place calls to people all over the country thousands of miles away. You call 911--the end.

Another thing that does not make sense is everyone around him seems to have been shocked at what happened. If those around him suspected a serious issue here, and if the plane incident was a foreshadowing of what happened, why are some, including those now being named, so shocked? I hate to compare Prince to MJ, but when MJ died, though some said they saw no issues, those closest to him did come out and say they saw some issues and some warning signs years prior. It seems odd that rather suddenly, over just a few months, he had become dependent on painkillers or that he was now abusing them. In reality, we have no clue what they were actually being used for as we do not know his real medical history. Everyone keeps assuming hip issues but his health issues seem to have only been happening over the past few months or maybe even weeks.

Then, we have Dr. Schulenberg in the picture who is NOT an addiction doctor nor should he be treating any addiction issues and it appears he was not. He could not write for Suboxone, either.

If Prince really had a low red blood cell count, then Kornfeld or any other doctor needed to do a full work up to know that this was an issue and that taking any opioid with a low red blood cell count is a no no as these medications cause respiratory depression and a low red blood cell count can cause serious breathing issues on its own. Combine the two and you have lethal consequences, even if taking this medication as directed, and especially if you do not have much tolerance. If he was just on Perocet his tolerance was likely not that high.

As for him being alone, maybe Kirky J. offered to stay and Prince said no. Yes, naturally none of us would have wanted him to be alone but at the same time, he if asked to be alone then no one could force themselves to stay with him. I do not think Prince planned on dying or think such was going to happen to him that night. What I am angry about is that it seems no one really knew what was going on and kept reaching out further and further from him when there could have been help right there in Chanhassen for whatever ailment he was suffering from at that time.

I get the impression that the Kornfeld was brought by Prince's staff without his approval. They probably were going to do a drastic intervention and try to convince him to get help. Maybe his staff was unaware that he was getting treated by another doctor or they felt he wasn't getting the help he really needed.

[Edited 5/21/16 13:51pm]

gatorgirl said:

lrn36 said:

limoncello said:

So if this is all true (and I trust the Star Trib), it sounds like he was trying to get off the stuff and may have dosed up in order to feel well enough to perform in Atlanta, leading to a first overdose. My understanding is that with opiods, you are most vulnerable to overdose when in withdrawal because you tend to take the old, high dose that your body is no longer used to. Then he was thrown into sudden withdrawal again with a save shot and left alone. It's all so sad, especially the alone part. But then, I suspect there is a reason Prince surrounded himself with 20-somethings in recent years. People his own age who had known him for years would have insisted on proper treatment and a halt to performing until this was all sorted out.

*Kirk excepted, obviously.

[Edited 5/21/16 9:44am]

Shameless Maya, the photographer who worked with Prince, said Paisley Park had a high turnover rate because Prince was very demanding and at times very difficult to work for. He could be fun and inspiring. But when he got mad, he could make employees feel like nothing. Even one of his chefs quit because she expected to be on call 24/7 and ultimately had no life.

Thats what its like working for Madonna too. Celebrity service is not a picnic folks. It's ALL ABOUT THEM. ENTIRELY.

sonshine said:

moussemaker said:

donnyenglish said:

Eileen said:

terrig said:

lrn36 said:

Shameless Maya, the photographer who worked with Prince, said Paisley Park had a high turnover rate because Prince was very demanding and at times very difficult to work for. He could be fun and inspiring. But when he got mad, he could make employees feel like nothing. Even one of his chefs quit because she expected to be on call 24/7 and ultimately had no life.

Thats what its like working for Madonna too. Celebrity service is not a picnic folks. It's ALL ABOUT THEM. ENTIRELY.

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Yes and it is a job that they are paid for and it is not slavery. It is undoubtedly hard work, but some people can handle it and some cannot. I certainly couldn't, because I need my sleep...same with being in his band. I don't know how they did it.

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But everyone who has worked for him got a paycheck and it was great for their careers as well. And they could quit at any time if it wasn't working for them...if they weren't getting back as much as they were giving.

lrn36 said:

FunkiestOne said:

terrig said:

Thats what its like working for Madonna too. Celebrity service is not a picnic folks. It's ALL ABOUT THEM. ENTIRELY.

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Yes and it is a job that they are paid for and it is not slavery. It is undoubtedly hard work, but some people can handle it and some cannot. I certainly couldn't, because I need my sleep...same with being in his band. I don't know how they did it.

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But everyone who has worked for him got a paycheck and it was great for their careers as well. And they could quit at any time if it wasn't working for them...if they weren't getting back as much as they were giving.

yes, without a doubt....

Mkilpatrick74 said:

sonshine said:

There's no smoking gun, there's no one responsible or to blame. In the end a lot of people were desperately trying to save his life - and respect his privacy and dignity at the same time which was very important. If we are going to start throwing inappropriate fault around then his fans, the media and the public could be named as well since it was probably preferable he not go to a local hospital or other facilities. This was a global celebrity who craved his space and privacy and that's not out of line. I wish he were still here too and he should be. That's he not is not for lack of trying. None of these people are criminals no matter how much you want them to be.

I have to agree. As much as it hurts and as much as we want to find someone and anyone to blame, I am seeing that the people around him truly were trying to get him help. And it seems as though our beloved Prince knew how serious all of it was and had reached out for help the only way he knew how while maintaining his privacy and sense of dignity. I know this HAD to be eating him up emotionally inside but I truly believe he tried to find a healthy way to get off the meds but fight the pain and withdrawals together. Unfortunately, sometimes our bodies just are not string enough and sometimes it's just our time to go home to our Lord the ONLY thing that comforts me in all this is knowing the joy and peace and happiness he will have in Heaven and that he is no longer in one single oz of pain. Hang in there guys, it's likely to hurt a little more before it gets better but let's pull together and get thru this while celebrating his brilliance not embarrass ourselves. Hugggssss to u all!! 💜💞💜💞💜💞💜

I am not trying to "blame" anyone and hope no one took it as such but my point again is why were people looking thousands of miles away for help? That is worrisome to me, assuming anything in this article is even accurate. I guess my biggest issue is the Kornfeld involvment. If the doctor was too busy he should have said no, I cannot help right now, please seek local help immediately, not send his son with a stash of drugs. There is something very wrong with that.

cardinal said:

Eileen said:

That makes the most sense with two other bits of info: The hospital IV treatment - blood transfusion - and the doctor coming by with test results - updated blood counts.

that makes complete sense unless he was still hardcore jw...he would not accept a transfusion. there is synthetic "blood" that might hsve been used, and yes, i agree that bloodwork is likely part of the test results being delivered.

You're right, I completely forgot about that.

sonshine said:

There's no smoking gun, there's no one responsible or to blame. In the end a lot of people were desperately trying to save his life - and respect his privacy and dignity at the same time which was very important. If we are going to start throwing inappropriate fault around then his fans, the media and the public could be named as well since it was probably preferable he not go to a local hospital or other facilities. This was a global celebrity who craved his space and privacy and that's not out of line. I wish he were still here too and he should be. That's he not is not for lack of trying. None of these people are criminals no matter how much you want them to be.

I strongly agree with what you said - and don't think it can be repeated enough here - with one exception.

Prince has been getting medical care here his entire life, and I daresay 99% of us have heard squat or less about it. I think people are giving far too much credence to the notion that Minnesota was not a place where Prince could received private and confidential care. Frankly there are people more well known worldwide than even Prince who have received private medical and addiction care in Minnesota. Generally their names are uncovered only if they choose to talk about it later.

There's this show that I watch called Autopsy, in fact I'm watching it now. it's about the death of celebrities, and it's a reinactment of their death, in which a specialist explains the cause of death and autopsy results revealing exactly how and why the celebrity dies. In fact, it's on now, and I'm watching about the death of Elvis Presley. I've seen many shows about other celebs such as Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Jimi Hendrix, Heath Ledger, etc. They do pretty good reinactments of the celebs, and tell their story with viewpoints from those that knew them, etc. I was just thinking that one day, they will probably do Prince's death also. Has anyone seen this show? I would like to know others opinion of it if they watch.

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Eileen said: