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It sounds like they are being super thorough, AND the cause of death isn't just jumping out at them. So if it was simply a drug over dose, it looks like that would have stuck out like a sore thumb. We are all so full of  here | |
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I would like to think it is all in order to further respect his privacy. As much as I would like to know what happened, I mean, this was a seamingly health oriented human being that has had an enormous impact on my life for over 30 years, I'm getting at that stage where I think perhaps its best not to know... | |
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It sounds like they are being super thorough, AND the cause of death isn't just jumping out at them. So if it was simply a drug over dose, it looks like that would have stuck out like a sore thumb. quite likely. i also think that that sheriff wants to make sure all t's crossed and i's are dotted. he seems to really want to get this right. so even if they have an inkling of what it was, i don't see them releasing it piecemeal. i don't know how others feel, but for me i would like to know because i worry about what transpired in that elevator, and whether anyone else had a hand in his death. "If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince..... | |
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I would like to think it is all in order to further respect his privacy. As much as I would like to know what happened, I mean, this was a seamingly health oriented human being that has had an enormous impact on my life for over 30 years, I'm getting at that stage where I think perhaps its best not to know... also, i don't see them doing a drip drip. they will share when all the facts are at their disposal. and even if they do not share any health problems he had, the manner of death will be a strong indicator. if its natural causes, then that points to an underlying illness. if its accidental or homicide, then that would point more towards an accidental od, possibly with others procuring meds for him. i think some will want to know, some won't. i want to know that he went quickly and wihout pain or distress in that elevator. its the best we can hope for at this point  "If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince..... | |
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again...i never referenced you at all, ( i even included myself as a so-called Charlie Brown character), i didnt intend for you to personalize it... |
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I think a lot is being taken into account. Doctors who have been part of auttopsies have all said that you pretty much know the cause right away when doing them. In this case, it could be a timing of release here, protection, or possibly they are looking to do a criminal investigation, and possibly questioning and arrests. They can't release partial things because if there is a crime obviously it will allow those to hide and protect and change stories etc... I mean its strange but part of me almost does not want to know, and actually would not mind if its not released. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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I agree with someone else here: I think the autopsy results could be in, but they won't reveal anything until the investigation has come to a certain point. "No one plays the clarinet the way U play my heart" | |
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That thought is terrible. I keep putting it off my mind, cause it just feels so unfair. A person who has changed the life of so many, that gave so much, and there was nothing we could do for him in return. He did die alone. | |
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MMJas said:
That thought is terrible. I keep putting it off my mind, cause it just feels so unfair. A person who has changed the life of so many, that gave so much, and there was nothing we could do for him in return. He did die alone. omg i rememeber him saying that....and i remember thinking what does he mean by that? that he is everywhere and yet to most who see him, an entertainer, and at thhe end of the day he goes home alone...totally me projecting i know! but it did bother me hearing it. there was something he seemed to be trying to say. as to the elevator, it makes me sick to think, much less talk, about it, but it is the one thing i am holding on to. he clearly had physical pain, never found his soulmate, and never had kids, the least the frickin universe could frickin do is let him have a peaceful exit. if that did not happen, many of us will be grief stricken and angry all over again i fear. as if we are done grieving anyway.....yeah sure.... "If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince..... | |
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It's like the real issue is that when someone we know dies, we know how they died and why they died. We know it pretty much immediately. Even if its not a long term illness, the cause of death is known immediately. - So its really hard when someone we know dies(even though its through the music) and no one tells you anything. Just speculation. Its an unusual set of circumstances. We're just not used to it. t's foreign to us not to know what happened. - All we know is that he's not here anymore in the flesh. And we don't know why. - That is heartbreaking on its own. - But not knowing why is close to unbearable.
- It's too much.
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2 years older than Prince. Not married and no kids - not for lack of trying. Make my own scrambled eggs. May die alone but only after having lived a very full and interesting life enriched by the likes of Prince. We may never know exactly what happened. We all know the end of the book, just not how many pages are left. Brand new boogie without the hero. | |
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-Selfishly, I would just like them to say what the cause of death was. Then they could say' we are still investigating the circumstances around the death.' They must know what caused his death by now.
- It's haulting the grieving process not knowing. So in my opinion, they are not helping family, friends or fans by not releasing the cause of death. - But then again, I just want to know. I'm human. - Or, maybe they have already informed family of the cause of death. I would hope so. Genius is born, not made. Prince is a Genius. No question. RIP Legend. | |
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Eileen said:
you could be completely right i am sure some of it is projecting. but i do remember the rs interview he said he was open to meeting the "right person" and some of his later lyrics were suggestive of loneliness. he could have still wanted a companion and kids and yet still been happy with his life as it was. and he did have his music. i do hope he was happy. peace, "If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince..... | |
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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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so where are they with the investigation now?? | |
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The autopsy report is "one to two weeks away" per the Carver County Sheriff ( http://www.usatoday.com/s.../84581426/ )
Both MJ and Whitney Houston's autopsy's weren't made public until roughly 2 months after their deaths, so this may not be so unusual. But it's frustrating. [Edited 5/19/16 21:36pm] | |
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http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRINCE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
The Associated Press is reporting that Kirk Johnson issued a statement via his attorney that he is heartbroken and desires privacy. | |
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bilbolives said: http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRINCE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
The Associated Press is reporting that Kirk Johnson issued a statement via his attorney that he is heartbroken and desires privacy. I bet his lawyer also told him to shut his trap after he opened up to the press after the JW memorial. All positive but still I could see them telling him stop talking. D. | |
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Guaging by the time frame that it took for Michael Jackson's autopsy results come out, it will probably be sometime around mid June before we get any official word. The difference with MJ is that there were a lot of leaks, so we all had an idea on what the deal was before the results came in. | |
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tmo1965 said:
Guaging by the time frame that it took for Michael Jackson's autopsy results come out, it will probably be sometime around mid June before we get any official word. The difference with MJ is that there were a lot of leaks, so we all had an idea on what the deal was before the results came in. i was just on a website for a consulting firm that works with people whose family member had an unexplained death, and they said 6 to 8 weeks is typical for autopsy testing. and those are not extremely famous people with the world watching. so we wait... "If u love somebody, your life won't be in vain
And there's always a rainbow, at the end of every rain."--peace and love, dear prince..... | |
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Cause was probably cardiac arrest, a blood clot or something similar. But what casued that? That's what they'll need to determine and for that they need the tox results. Then they can say cause is x, brought on by y. Just knowing heart attack without knowing what caused it doesn't tell us much. RIP | |
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A little light reading while you wait. It's probably been posted a couple of times but here it is again just in case. How are forensic toxicology tests done? continued...
''We collect urine if there is any [in the body] and also use tissues [to test],” Magnani says. Specimens taken for forensic toxicology testing routinely include, in addition to blood and urine, tissue samples from the liver, brain, kidney, and vitreous humor (the clear ''jelly" found in the eyeball chamber), according to information from the College of American Pathologists. Samples of the stomach contents and bile, a digestive juice secreted by the liver, are also collected routinely. The tissue and fluid collection is typically done by a pathologist or morgue assistant, Robin says, and the process usually takes just 15 or 20 minutes. Next, the specimens are turned over to a toxicology expert for testing. Testing is typically done by medical technologists or chemists, such as forensic chemists with doctoral training who are certified by The American Board of Clinical Chemistry or the American Board of Forensic Toxicology, according to the College of American Pathologists. Medical examiner office personnel can also conduct toxicology drug testing related to an autopsy. Toxicology drug testing laboratories where the analyses are carried out are accredited by such organizations as the College of American Pathologists or state health departments or other organizations, to ensure uniform quality standards. ''The tissue is placed in special containers that prevent contamination of the tissue,'' Robin says. Preservatives can help prevent or delay breakdown of the drugs in the samples, Magnani says. A ''paper trail'' records exactly who has handled the specimens to reduce the chance of contamination or mix-ups. Just as important as the collection and tracking of fluid, blood, and tissue samples is the field investigation, Robin says. That involves officials looking into the medicine cabinet and around the home of the deceased person for drugs he or she may have been taking, including prescription drugs, over-the-counter medicines, and illicit drugs. That search could also turn up evidence that a person was getting prescriptions from several doctors. If something shows up, a more sophisticated test is done, using techniques such as mass spectrometry, which can identify chemicals in substances by their mass and charge. "These confirmatory methods are actually more sensitive," Robin says. "You can find lower quantities [of the substance]." The more sophisticated tests can tell experts the exact concentration of the drug or other substance, says Hall, who is also clinical assistant professor of public health at Weatherford College in Weatherford, Texas. Experts also can determine if two drugs found together may have had a synergistic effect -- which happens when two drugs similar in their actions produce an exaggerated effect when taken together. It's akin to ''one plus one equals five," Robins says. Experts have to determine if the drug or other substances found in the specimens are a therapeutic dose, a toxic dose, or a lethal dose -- whether they contributed to the death or caused the death.
Why do the forensic toxicology tests take so long?Getting a complete and accurate forensic toxicology test result can be a lengthy process for a variety of reasons, according to the College of American Pathologists and experts interviewed by WebMD. There may be a lot of specimens that need to be tested, which means more testing time. And as an investigation proceeds, information about the possibility of another drug being involved may surface, so even more testing may be needed. When the first round of positive tests have to be confirmed by the more sophisticated method, this may require sending out the specimens to more specialized laboratories. And that adds to the delay. "Four to six weeks is pretty standard," Magnani says of the time line for forensic toxicology testing. Besides the time needed for painstaking analysis and confirmation, she says, there could be a backlog of tests that need to be done at a particular laboratory. "Each one should be handled thoroughly, whether they are a celebrity or not," she says.
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Star Tribune is reporting that he was most likely passed for @ least 6 hours before he was found: http://m.startribune.com/...380338131/ "Almost all art is trying to become an anaesthetic and at the same time a healing session drawing up the magical electrics.” | |
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New Star-Tribune article: http://www.startribune.co...380338131/
- Prince was likely dead for 6 hours when he was found - He had grown "increasingly agitated" in his last days - He had been given an "intravenous treatment" at a local hospital on April 20 - Staffers had called associates in NYC and SF for help/advice in the last day or so
The piece of info in this story are incredibly sad and incredibly infuriating. | |
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disch said: New Star-Tribune article: http://www.startribune.co...380338131/
- Prince was likely dead for 6 hours when he was found - He had grown "increasingly agitated" in his last days - He had been given an "intravenous treatment" at a local hospital on April 20 - Staffers had called associates in NYC and SF for help/advice in the last day or so
The piece of info in this story are incredibly sad and incredibly infuriating. Just so sad...six hours? 😢 And how can they report what was in his system if the medical examiner hasn't released info? Crap. Sorry, guys. I'm just all upset and crying again. "I gave my love, I gave my life, I gave my body and mind..." - P
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Just so sad...I believe he died after they dropped him off....this makes me cry again. Not the way his life was supposed to end. I will never get over the fact tha he died alone. Just heartbreaking still. | |
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Two disclaimers: I'm not an MD, and this might make some of you queasy. If you choose to hear me out, please understand I'm just trying to make sense of this for myself.
The article says that a paramedic report indicated six hours had probably elapsed when Prince was found. The call transcript and previous reports (for reasons I'll explain below) basically play out as follows:
1. Some time during the night, Prince enters the elevator, collapses, dies.
2. Andrew Kornfeld arrives at Paisley Park around 9:30am, and along with Kirk Johnson and/or Meron Bukere, start looking for Prince.
3. Around 9:40am, Meron and Kirk find Prince in the elevator, and become distraught. Kornfeld calls 911. He has no medical training, so did not know how to assess or render first aid -- but he acknowledges to the dispatcher that Prince has probably died.
4. Firefighters arrive first and start CPR. Paramedics arrived shortly thereafter, and -- seeing that rigor mortis (which starts between 2 and 6 hours after death) has set in -- stop CPR and notify dispatch of a DOA.
The Star Tribune is citing their own report regarding what was in his system. If I'm not mistaken, the ME rebutted that report, saying they have not disclosed to anyone the results of the toxicology reports.
They probably have a law enforcement source speaking off record to confirm that Percocet was found on Prince, perhaps he had a bottle with him and dropped it.
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