RobotDevil said:

djThunderfunk said:

Yeah, well, the only way I can stream is in my house. I don't carry a "text machine" nor have streaming in my car. I do have an iPod classic to load rips of my CDs onto. It is not dependant on a connection and I can listen to it through my home system, my car system or on the go. For me it maybe older but is the EASIER way to listen to my music when/where I want. If I have a physical copy I am not a slave to a device, a connection, a subscription service, or future changes in what is available on a subscription service... I don't understand why people hold on SOOOO hard to newer, more dependant ways to listen to music.

And yes, they still sell discmans, they even sell cassette walkmans (thanks Guardians Of The Galaxy!!) Plus, guess what, CDs also play in every DVD, Bluray, Game System and computers with disc drives. Find me a format more versatile AND less dependant than a CD and I'll just remind you that a CD is easily ripped to that format at no additional cost.

Great post!

V10LETBLUES said:

RobotDevil said:

Great post!

Sounds like someone doesn't know that computers been getting rid of their disk drives gorgeous years, and Blu-ray is on the verge of obsolescence. Things change.

Bother somebody else, I have no time for your trolling...

djThunderfunk said:

V10LETBLUES said:

djThunderfunk said:

Bother somebody else, I have no time for your trolling...

It's called an education.

Bullshit. They're still selling PC's with disc drives, and that won't change for a while.

[Flame snip - luv4u]

V10LETBLUES said:

BobGeorge909 said:

V10LETBLUES said:

Sounds like someone doesn't know that computers been getting rid of their disk drives gorgeous years, and Blu-ray is on the verge of obsolescence. Things change.

I think I've explained this but it gets ignored. There's this feature called offline functionality. While u have a connection...u go ahead and download the song. After its downloaded...u can listen to it 'offline' so that a connection isn't always needed....just needed once. And this thing....this CD u speak of....it only does one thing? Hold music data? See...this internet connection thing...it delivers music data...AND A HOLE HOST OF OTHER THINGS. Pictures of food...idiotic Facebook posts...jiggly titties...videos of kittens being cute...anything u can imagine. It don't take up space...it don't get scratched...it doesn't warp when my car gets hot...it don't get stuck in the CD player... The thing is....once downloading started and streaming started....I didn't reject CD's. I incorporated these new things into my listening avenues. I didn't trench in and toss out other avenues. Sometimes I stream....sometimes I listen to my downloads...sometimes I even use CD's in my car...i even cue up a record on occasion. I saw these new avenues to listen to music and took advantage of them instead of saying I only want this and only this and anything different is a waste of my time....even thought I haven't attempted to incorporate it into my life in any way.

Cool! I get it, Bob, really I do. Surely you get that for those that like to collect CDs they can still use any of these new devices as CDs easily rip to every new format that comes along. Plus, the CD is still on the shelf to be used to rip to the next big thing.

Add that streaming is dependant on a connection to services that are ever increasing in price and capping bandwidth and suddenly just buying the CD once to do anything you want with indefinitely is not such a crazy preference. No?

Just sayin'...

Why can't weeee be friends? why can't weee be friends?

KingSausage said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Eye am OVER THE MOON in Xcitement!!! Also looking 4ward to PHASE 2...

Buddy, you passed the moon ages ago, and crash landed right in Uranus.

What's wrong? D'angelo haven't released a new album yet? Do we have to wait another 15 years?

While has already released 38 with another on the way next month.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

djThunderfunk said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

If U were a real fan like most here aren't, U would support 's endeavors. It's not many ways that a artist as successful as is can release muziq without it being leaked.

This is the only way it can't be....

BullSHIT! This will be available illegally on September 7 or SOONER. This is no safer yet far less accessible than selling the album as lossless downloads from his own site like he did with the tracks on 3rdeyegirl.com.

Eye agree with on September 7V3N but NOT sooner......

Ridiculous, black messiah is not a masterpiece This place is so funny.

Guitarhero said:

Doozer said:

Noodled24 said:

Two free songs? Stare is streaming on Spotify and can be heard for free. Hardrocklover is for sale on iTunes. .

Hardrocklover is also on soundcloud and can be heard for free.

Prince: "Here are two free songs, and the new album is practically free"

Not sure how you calculate that. To listen legally you pay a minimum of $10 per month. I've never paid $120 per year to own any piece of music, let alone to know when I stop paying, the music vanishes. . Yes, I understand that a Tidal subscription gets you access to hundreds of other artists and thousands of other songs. Not interested. My music budget is allocated elsewhere. . Hard to blame anyone for finding other means to get this one.

I calculate it as using the free trial on Tidal to get early access to the new album. By the end of that free month there will either be a physical release or there won't be.

I understand what you're saying - each month that one album costs £10 more than it did the previous month. But that simply comes down to content. If he's suddenly offering live streams and concert footage that represents similar value to the NPGMC - things become more interesting.

If it's a one time deal and ONLY on Tidal then like everyone else, I'll Cancel, Uninstall and look elsewhere.

BobGeorge909 said:

Prince aint had a masterpiece since Sign o the Times , , black messiah is still not masterpiece , vanguard can jam , pity D cant sing.

You mean I have to sign up to Tidal in order to hear this? Can you downlaod the album at all or is it just streaming once released?

[Edited 8/8/15 12:42pm]

Did Prince not get teh memo that Tidal hasn't been paying the rights fees? It's unlike him to do anything that includes a chance he doesn't actually get paid.

BartVanHemelen said:

Aerogram said:

Remember in Baltimore when he said something along the lines of wanting to come back and stay in an hotel that's black-owned? Prince is supporting a venture started by Jay Z that echoes his own philosophy about artists getting a fairer deal in an industry that screws them every day?

I may not be pleased that I'd have to join Tidal to hear his album, but in terms of being true to his beliefs, this deal shows he means business. This is most likely happening with WB's full blessings with Prince emphasizing his commitment to a solution that incudes supporing black-owned businesses.

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Let's see: "Tidal was launched in 2014 by Norwegian/Swedish public company Aspiro."

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Norway and Sweden? Doesn't quite sound black to me. Let's look at Aspiro:

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And also:

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Jay Z's courting of Aspiro's all-star team began just ahead of the Grammys in a top-secret meeting in Pasadena which brought West, Daft Punk, Minaj, Coldplay's Chris Martin, Jack White and Madonna together. Billboard has learned that each artist was offered a 3 percent stake in the company in order to secure exclusives

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Didn''t know they were black.

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Prince is with Tidal because he thought it would generate press and because they offered him a lot of money. That's all there is. Note that he gave a song to Spotify mere days ago, because he's obviously that much into "supporting black-owned businesses".

I understand Bart that Jay-Z's company bought them then invited other artists to join in as investors so that at this point he is no longer the majority owner, so you're right it is not completely "black-owned"but Jay-Z invested in it a lot, he is the face of the service as well as the force behind TIDAL's present incarnation. Prince was attracted to the service's philosophy as well as by Jay-Z strong involvement.

"Tidal was launched in 2014 by Norwegian/Swedish public company Aspiro. It has distribution agreements with all of the three major labels, in addition to many indies.^[3] In the first quarter of 2015, the parent company Aspiro was acquired by Project Panther Ltd., which is owned by Shawn "Jay Z" Carter.^[4]"

Guitarhero said:

Lovesexy is 100 times better than black messiah, end off.

[Edited 8/8/15 13:14pm]

I'm just happy to hear new Prince music.

You can get Tidal for 90 days for free with this link (usually only 30 days).

http://go.tidal.com/us/reg/US2000/usTIDAL6VBk4gGTICJIMMY/PREMIUM

V10LETBLUES said:

BobGeorge909 said:

I think I've explained this but it gets ignored. There's this feature called offline functionality. While u have a connection...u go ahead and download the song. After its downloaded...u can listen to it 'offline' so that a connection isn't always needed....just needed once. And this thing....this CD u speak of....it only does one thing? Hold music data? See...this internet connection thing...it delivers music data...AND A HOLE HOST OF OTHER THINGS. Pictures of food...idiotic Facebook posts...jiggly titties...videos of kittens being cute...anything u can imagine. It don't take up space...it don't get scratched...it doesn't warp when my car gets hot...it don't get stuck in the CD player... The thing is....once downloading started and streaming started....I didn't reject CD's. I incorporated these new things into my listening avenues. I didn't trench in and toss out other avenues. Sometimes I stream....sometimes I listen to my downloads...sometimes I even use CD's in my car...i even cue up a record on occasion. I saw these new avenues to listen to music and took advantage of them instead of saying I only want this and only this and anything different is a waste of my time....even thought I haven't attempted to incorporate it into my life in any way.

Like deja vu. About 10 years ago I had still stacks of re-writeable cds on hand for work that we threw out. Office Depot now sells them for pennies. I get that not everyone has the same needs today and it takes time for people to move on especially when you get used to something it's hard to try new things. I over on because of convenience as I run a business. I realize not everyone has my needs. I have friends who still use flip phones and text with them. They don't believe me how much easier a smartphone is. They don't and probably never will. I get that too. Pictures of cats and birthday parties and titties? Google and MS and Apple hold them and organize them for you for free without you even doing anything. I understand offline. But a lot of us have a WiFi connection at home and McDonald's and everywhere I go has a connection. For me it's never an issue. Yes there will be a zombie apocalypse soon and I take that very seriously. I have canned food, bottled water, candles and an old ipod somewhere. But honestly, when that time comes, being eaten by zombies will be a greater concern that cat pictures. My ring tones on my phone will keep me company until the battery dies.

I still use a flip phone and don't text with it. I have, I believe, sent one text in my life, just to see if I could.

I don't see what any of that has to do with the idea of a streaming service that could go belly up at any point. I'm not wild about all the books my wife has on the Nook servers that could go also shut down with little warning, taking our money with them. Sorry, I understand that streaming gives you access to tons of music lots of the time. But we're talking about one album, not the entirety of streaming. Contracts between copyright owners and streaming companies change all the time, at which point, material can disappear.

There's a good chance that all of this is pointless discussion anyway. The Tidal deal might just be a streaming deal, completely separate from any purchase option, either trhough download or physical (either of which would be fine, in my opinion).

But as someone who bought stuff from the old NPGMC (that I then had to re-acquire through dodgy channels), I'm not exactly reassured by any of what anyone's said about download options and the like. Changes at Tidal could kill anything I put on offline, too--I certainly see nothing to prevent it.

Noodled24 said:

Doozer said:

Noodled24 said:

I calculate it as using the free trial on Tidal to get early access to the new album. By the end of that free month there will either be a physical release or there won't be.

I understand what you're saying - each month that one album costs £10 more than it did the previous month. But that simply comes down to content. If he's suddenly offering live streams and concert footage that represents similar value to the NPGMC - things become more interesting.

If it's a one time deal and ONLY on Tidal then like everyone else, I'll Cancel, Uninstall and look elsewhere.

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If Prince puts a slew of exclusive content on Tidal then yes, that's a deal-changer. History makes it pretty clear that this will be a one-and-done album exclusive, at least for a period of time, and Prince will move on to seek out the next suitor. Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora...surely there are a few labels he hasn't aligned with still...

nonamesleft said:

The Org: "Come on Prince, brother, seriously, put your music on the internet and we'll all be down to pay for it, no problems at all"

Prince: [Puts his music on the Internet]

The Org: "No, we don't mean put it there, there's no way I can pay for it now".

[Edited 8/8/15 4:53am]

Okay, see, you're confused. He put his music on the internet with the ThirdEyeTunes thing--and I (and a lot of other people) gladly payed for it.

This is not a matter of paying for his music. It's paying for a streaming service that has some of his music on it, so we're paying for the "ability to stream" the music, but that's different. I pay for several streaming services currently (all video), but I have to believe that anyone who claims not to understand the difference between the two things has to be being intentionally obtuse.

Noodled24 said:

luvsexy4all said:

wow...definately most negative thread all year....

Yup.

Prince: "Here are two free songs, and the new album is practically free"

Fans: "What a fucking rip off, Prince... you've gone too far this time!! Why should we go to that website to get your music, can't you put it on a different website and just eat the hoasting and PR costs yourself?"

It'll certainly be fun seeing who eats their words and signs up to Tidal next month.

How is paying for it over and over again every month in perpetuity (or until Tidal dies, or Prince and Tidal's contract runs out) FREE? Or even "practically free"?

You have a strange concept of the language.

V10LETBLUES said:

ThomasBjj said:

Anyone who has ever "lost" digital content should understand the desire for physical cds. Unless someone kicks down my front door and wrestles my cd out of my hand, I know that I will always have it.

Where are my NPMC downloads? Expired DRM!

Believe me. I know about losing critical files. Anyone in business knows. From media storage devices becoming obsolete, computer crashes, corrupt files, on and on. Having them in your own place is false security. I know this too well. I have learned over many years. Right now in this fast evolving media age, I have preached cloud storage to friends for many many years. Yes I know many people are weary and scared, but I have lost far more files with me managing and securing them, and less hassle accessing them with them being in the cloud. [Edited 8/8/15 9:27am]

But you're talking about something going wrong with files you actually own. Here, we're paying for access to files we don't own, and that we could lose access to because of someone else's business decisions. We have no way to back them up--they're not ours.

herb4 said:

luv4u said:

Everybody talks about this. I never lost ANY of my NPG Music Club songs. I bought them, burned them to CD and still have all of them.

I burned mine too--only a few got lost in the shuffle. BUT again, that's not something we're supposed to be doing, apparently, at least in P's mind, or Tidal's. We're not supposed to have our own copies. So why not let me pay him to legally have one--just like he did with 3rdEyeTunes?