robinhood said:

Vendetta1 said:

So you want to accuse people of something yet you dig to the bottom of the barrel to insult them?

You're almost as humorous as the so-called Christian that I have been responding to.

were you insulted?

Actually no mainly because you are wrong. Nice try though.

Vendetta1 said:

robinhood said:

were you insulted?

Actually no mainly because you are wrong.

then what are you talking about?

robinhood said:

Vendetta1 said:

Actually no mainly because you are wrong.

then what are you talking about?

You attempted to insult someone. That is what I am talking about.

Vendetta1 said:

robinhood said:

then what are you talking about?

You attempted to insult someone. That is what I am talking about.

news to me. but if you have an aversion to that kind of thing, you know how the saying goes..

if you cant take it, dont dish it out.

robinhood said:

Vendetta1 said:

You attempted to insult someone. That is what I am talking about.

news to me. but if you have an aversion to that kind of thing, you know how the saying goes..

if you cant take it, dont dish it out.

Wow, you're sad.

Unfortunately for you, I don't particularly care for Org Circle Jerks so I'm gonna go so you can go back to agreeing with the person who has been nasty to orger after orger and truly is insulting. you two have fun.

Vendetta1 said:

robinhood said:

news to me. but if you have an aversion to that kind of thing, you know how the saying goes..

if you cant take it, dont dish it out.

Wow, you're sad.

Unfortunately for you, I don't particularly care for Org Circle Jerks so I'm gonna go so you can go back to agreeing with the person who has been nasty to orger after orger and truly is insulting. you two have fun.

thanks. bye.

7

I really like Prince's music, but being an atheist i giggle a little bit when it comes 2 his beliefs.

Cthulhu,

Why you want to be a atheist, When you can be in a "World of Never Ending Happines"!

Vendetta1 said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Ever heard of "punctuated equilibrium." You know what that theory is all about? It's basically a "newer" theory that was designed to prove why the "original" theory had no evidence!! Check it out, it's interesting reading..

So you have no source? I thought so.

There is no point in sending you to a certain source, since you will find fault in this. I simply directed you to an area, since you wanted to know what debunked the theory. If you refuse to acknowledge it, then that's you.

[Edited 10/13/10 10:39am]

Spinlight said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Ever heard of "punctuated equilibrium." You know what that theory is all about? It's basically a "newer" theory that was designed to prove why the "original" theory had no evidence!! Check it out, it's interesting reading..

You're debunking a theory with a theory?

Do you even live in the real world or are you floating around in some dream.

I'm not debunking anything, the theory itself debunked the original theory. I have no dogs in this race...I know it's all bs. These scientists are scrambling to cover their own tracks with all their new theories that completely make no sense and make their original theories seem like bs (which they are). So, what are you missing here?

And I just walk around in a dream all day. Since you and I both know that's possible

If u are a Christain, Would u Witness to Prince?

Yes...

DaphneLovesPR1NCE,

Do you like "The Cross"?

I will absolutely not turn into someone else or some other kind of religion for anyone

Pfffff,

Prince is music, Prince is the one who creates and plays a kind of music that touches me, that I really Love.

Am stuck to it and it makes part of me, since a long time..I don't need any other reason to follow him, as an artist...

Of course I'd appreciate to know him as a person, as a friend, to whom I might talk to or with whom I might have conversations, including a topic as religion..

JesusFreak said:

Astasheiks said:

7. That Hell is simply the grave.

Then why would Prince write:

"I know there is a heaven, I know there is a hell
Listen 2 me people, I got a story 2 tell
I know there was confusion, lightnin' all around me
That's when I called His name
Don't U know He found me?"

Nonetheless, I would deffinantly make it a point to discuss religious views to see if he does the Bible buffet style or not and tell him truth.

When Prince wrote that line from Lovesexy he wasn't a JW. He probably believed the concept of an eternal hell...he was raised seventh day adventist, yet i don't know their stance on hell, I do know they are similar in their beliefs as JWs

I would encourage Prince to have a deep and intimate relationship with God above all else and above ALL religious dogma and doctrine and to take scripture into historical and cultural context with discernment from the Holy Spirit.

As a Christian I believe salvation is dependent upon your relationship with the Creator this trumps being part of the "right religion." We should worship God and not worship itself. Worship the Creator rather than the creature.

As long as he has a deep and intimate relationship with God it doesn't matter what religion he practises. Jesus said the basis of the law is love.

UM Um UM UM

why is this here?

shouldn't this be in politics and religion

this seems to be some religious (no offense believers and xians) none sense dressed up in Prince Bait.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Spinlight said:

You're debunking a theory with a theory?

Do you even live in the real world or are you floating around in some dream.

I'm not debunking anything, the theory itself debunked the original theory. I have no dogs in this race...I know it's all bs. These scientists are scrambling to cover their own tracks with all their new theories that completely make no sense and make their original theories seem like bs (which they are). So, what are you missing here?

And I just walk around in a dream all day. Since you and I both know that's possible

the point she is making is that there would be no theory of PE if the more popular TOE didn't have serious drawbacks. As years passed following Darwin the fossil record didn't support his theory in any satsfying way and as science peered deeper into the stuff of life they realized how unlikely a slow, gradual accumlation of beneficial mutations could account for all creatures...hence PE became another crack at answering the fatal blows to Darwin's TOE

Astasheiks said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE,

Do you like "The Cross"?

why yes.....love prince's song and what Jesus did at the cross

HomeSquid said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

I'm not debunking anything, the theory itself debunked the original theory. I have no dogs in this race...I know it's all bs. These scientists are scrambling to cover their own tracks with all their new theories that completely make no sense and make their original theories seem like bs (which they are). So, what are you missing here?

And I just walk around in a dream all day. Since you and I both know that's possible

the point she is making is that there would be no theory of PE if the more popular TOE didn't have serious drawbacks. As years passed following Darwin the fossil record didn't support his theory in any satsfying way and as science peered deeper into the stuff of life they realized how unlikely a slow, gradual accumlation of beneficial mutations could account for all creatures...hence PE became another crack at answering the fatal blows to Darwin's TOE

Ah, so science stops researching and investigating things when they find their then-evident answers, I guess.

Makes sense. Guess that's why we have Christianity (the bible told me so) and cancer (we found out what it is, there's no serious drawbacks to our conclusions, so let's run with it).

PimpandCircumstance said:

I would encourage Prince to have a deep and intimate relationship with God above all else and above ALL religious dogma and doctrine and to take scripture into historical and cultural context with discernment from the Holy Spirit.

As a Christian I believe salvation is dependent upon your relationship with the Creator this trumps being part of the "right religion." We should worship God and not worship itself. Worship the Creator rather than the creature.

As long as he has a deep and intimate relationship with God it doesn't matter what religion he practises. Jesus said the basis of the law is love.

I would just add that Jesus alsos said that he was the "only way to the Father" so we must put faith in Jesus Christ

Spinlight said:

HomeSquid said:

the point she is making is that there would be no theory of PE if the more popular TOE didn't have serious drawbacks. As years passed following Darwin the fossil record didn't support his theory in any satsfying way and as science peered deeper into the stuff of life they realized how unlikely a slow, gradual accumlation of beneficial mutations could account for all creatures...hence PE became another crack at answering the fatal blows to Darwin's TOE

Ah, so science stops researching and investigating things when they find their then-evident answers, I guess.

Makes sense. Guess that's why we have Christianity (the bible told me so) and cancer (we found out what it is, there's no serious drawbacks to our conclusions, so let's run with it).

huh? no. Science should always keep testing and re-testing. The point is that Science hasn't solved all the riddles yet...the point is that PE was a way of trying to better answer the fossil record and life as we know without the Bible, God, etc....the very fact it was necessary admitted Evolution- the microbe to man variety- had not been proven

Astasheiks said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE,

Do you like "The Cross"?

I sure do!

HomeSquid said:

PimpandCircumstance said:

I would encourage Prince to have a deep and intimate relationship with God above all else and above ALL religious dogma and doctrine and to take scripture into historical and cultural context with discernment from the Holy Spirit.

As a Christian I believe salvation is dependent upon your relationship with the Creator this trumps being part of the "right religion." We should worship God and not worship itself. Worship the Creator rather than the creature.

As long as he has a deep and intimate relationship with God it doesn't matter what religion he practises. Jesus said the basis of the law is love.

I would just add that Jesus alsos said that he was the "only way to the Father" so we must put faith in Jesus Christ

robinhood said:

HomeSquid said:

Interesting. I haven't rejected the idea that perhaps God used early primates- moreso hominids as a template to create the first human.

mm i find it interesting too, although some days i wonder if man really did evolve from apes.

the resemblance is uncanny in some people and i'm not talking about physical appearance either.

anyway, there's all different kinds of people in the world, i'm sure they're not ALL chest-beaters who thug about on message boards putting other people down.

maybe the ones with the least damaged gene pool have the best chance of developing their cosmic intelligence and the others will have to wait til their next life.

time to crack open another pepsi, watch nascar, scratch my ass and wait for someone else to do all the work while the planet goes to hell.

Yes the similarity between apes and man is undeniable and I have my moments where it seems so obvious we evolved from them but there's just so many problems with materialism and convincing support for Intelligent Design that I've come to accept the truth may be somewhere inbetween....possibly. Or not. Why couldn't the Creator have simple used similar patterns and parts for his different creations the way creators normally do? We are said to be "created in the image of God" so perhaps our creativity says somethng about God.

LOL..Pepsi, huh? Damn now I have a Cola craving and it's too late to drink some...well maybe caffeine free,,,, And it's also good you aren't waiting for someone else to scratch your ass while the planet goes to hell

HomeSquid said:

Spinlight said:

Ah, so science stops researching and investigating things when they find their then-evident answers, I guess.

Makes sense. Guess that's why we have Christianity (the bible told me so) and cancer (we found out what it is, there's no serious drawbacks to our conclusions, so let's run with it).

huh? no. Science should always keep testing and re-testing. The point is that Science hasn't solved all the riddles yet...the point is that PE was a way of trying to better answer the fossil record and life as we know without the Bible, God, etc....the very fact it was necessary admitted Evolution- the microbe to man variety- had not been proven

I don't think it's a right or wrong of which argument is being made but that each side is complicit with the understanding the answers.

That is to say, it is impossible to defend the topic of science to a religious person because their concepts are entirely different. They are alien to logic.

TrevorAyer said:

Spinlight said:

What the fuck are you even TALKING ABOUT?

Do you read what you write? God is the feeling when someone lies to you? The fact you can't define God proves his existence????? What??!?! You have been brainwashed to the Nth degree. What kind of idiocy forces you to agree with this sort of indoctrination? Turning away science doesn't make science not exist anymore.

i read it a couple times now and minus a few dot dot dots that could use clarifying ... it makes perfect sense ...

i did not say god is the feeling when someone lies to you .. i said god is the feeling you get when some one lies to you .. telling you not to trust them

as in the voice of god is much like your intuition even tho someone tells you one thing that u may want to believe .. ulitmately inside you something warns you .. speaks to you .. its a feeling you get .. and when u can quiet the lies around you, you can hear the voice of god.

this was in response to some one elses comment about the voice of god and the bible etc ...

if you cannot define god .. as in explain EVERYTHING in terms not related to whatever your definition of god is .. than god exists ... simple enough .. i believe god is everything and therefore if u are to convince me otherwise than prove to me what everything is other than GOD .. because my definition works and yours does not.

as for my "idiocy" .. could you please take that cigarette out of your avatars mouth when insulting my intelligence .. it really doesnt help your case

as for science .. science is fine .. a controlled experiment in an attempt to understand god that time and time again trips over itself and makes a huge mess .. science is catching up to what we already know .. its just going really slow ... unfortunately its science for profit and that is very limiting to what we as the human race could accomplish in a very short time if actions were taken for progress and not profit ... ho hum

methinks Spinlight don't get you Trevor because you speak spiritually- and spiritual things are "foolishness" to those who are perishing as Paul said.

Chiquetet said:

I've never understood why science and faith are so often viewed as mutually exclusive.

Science has the potential to explain everything within the constructs of our reality (ie. humans, animals, plants, rocks, our planet, other planets, stars, etc...)

It can define how it is we breathe, yet can't explain how we came to breathe in the first place.

It can intricately explain how a seed germinates and becomes a plant, yet can't explain where the first seed came from.

If you're looking to prove something, you need science, as proof is directly related to the human mind, which relies on science and facts.

If one could genuinely prove the existence of God, these discussions would be moot, as everyone would believe in God, just as they believe in photosynthesis and the phenomenon of sneezing.

Anything outside of what can be tested or proven is a matter of faith.

What caused the big bang, how life begins, how we sometimes just know when someone is lying to us or a family member is in trouble, etc... are unsolved - and almost certainly unsolvable - human mysteries.

People put these forward as proof of God, but what they really are is proof of matters currently beyond explanation, because proof belongs to the human mind, which is something incapable of understanding God.

My personal view is that God is in all things. I also believe that through meditation and communion with God we can tap into the Divine Mind, that connects us all, which requires no proof of anything because it knows only Truth.

I will never try to convince anyone of that belief however because it is an obvious paradox (ie. it would require somehow trying to prove what I believe, which, by definition, can't be proven).

For those determined to prove their case (for science or faith), particularly by slamming others' beliefs or demanding proof to the contrary, it's worth asking yourself why it's so important to you that either others believe what you do, or that they at least don't try and poke holes in your beliefs.

[Edited 10/6/10 14:48pm]

Very good contribution. For many though the probabilities are good enough to have that faith. When you combine it with the vast improbabilites of pure, brute chance it seems more reasonable to believe in "God" even if we can't hope to fully comprehend such a thing.

Spinlight said:

HomeSquid said:

huh? no. Science should always keep testing and re-testing. The point is that Science hasn't solved all the riddles yet...the point is that PE was a way of trying to better answer the fossil record and life as we know without the Bible, God, etc....the very fact it was necessary admitted Evolution- the microbe to man variety- had not been proven

I don't think it's a right or wrong of which argument is being made but that each side is complicit with the understanding the answers.

That is to say, it is impossible to defend the topic of science to a religious person because their concepts are entirely different. They are alien to logic.

dude, some of the smartest people alive are Christians, or atleast Theists or Deists. Science and theology can go hand in hand. If I believed you'd be interested I could suggest some books by scientists who who show their religious beliefs are rational and reasonable. I agree those who say "I believe cuz the Bible says so" are not going to help win any converts...but even if they don't feel the need to have some scientific proof to believe doesn't mean that's true with all religious people....as far as logic...wouldn't u agree that if something appears to be designed and there's no other explanation it would be logical to believe someone rather than accident designed it? It takes a designer to design something (not counting things that may only appear to be designed)

HomeSquid said:

Very good contribution. For many though the probabilities are good enough to have that faith. When you combine it with the vast improbabilites of pure, brute chance it seems more reasonable to believe in "God" even if we can't hope to fully comprehend such a thing.

Thanks, and I know what you mean, although I'd suggest that faith has nothing to do with probabilities, just as there is nothing reasonable about believing in God.

Thus, when you're called to do something your mind tells you is completely unreasonable and you have faith enough to hold firm to that calling, then you're really getting somewhere.

The Bible, amongst countless other texts, is overflowing with examples of this.