I wonder how long it will take to get to us in the states

ludwig said:

paisleypark4 said:

he already gave albums away online for free Remeber the 1999-2002 era?

No he did not. We got several tracks for free over the years, but to get all the stuff he released over the years on the net you had to be a paying member of his online club. He never released a whole album for free on the net during that time period.

Spinlight said:

Dreamer2 said:

What a load of bull****, so going down to Tesco's/Wal-Mart and buying it with Milk and Eggs is class....

Hypocrisy ... the man plays music in a band and sings on stage, if you don't like it don't buy it simple ....Hypocrisy is expecting the man to do what you want just because you bought some records back in the 80's ... How silly is that?

Some people on this forum are really up the their own ass!

You wearin' loafers? Cuz you seem confused.

http://www.merriam-webste.../hypocrisy

Main Entry: hy·poc·ri·sy

Pronunciation: \hi-ˈpä-krə-sē also hī-\

Function: noun

Inflected Form(s): plural hy·poc·ri·sies

Etymology: Middle English ypocrisie, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrisis, from Greek hypokrisis act of playing a part on the stage, hypocrisy, fromhypokrinesthai to answer, act on the stage, from hypo- + krinein to decide — more at certain

Date: 13th century

1 : a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion
2 : an act or instance of hypocrisy

This has nothing to do with the 80s insofar as he held himself, in the 80s, to being an "artist."

You seem to think that because Walmart now sells groceries that it is to be used as the prime example of music merchandising. Why would you suggest that? Please back up your theory as I am genuinely interested.

Yeah, you still playing LoveSexy on full blast ? ...WTF ?

paisleypark4 said:

ludwig said:

No he did not. We got several tracks for free over the years, but to get all the stuff he released over the years on the net you had to be a paying member of his online club. He never released a whole album for free on the net during that time period.

Enough tracks worthy of 2 albums in a short time period.

Those were not given away for free.

Dreamer2 said:

Spinlight said:

You wearin' loafers? Cuz you seem confused.

http://www.merriam-webste.../hypocrisy

Main Entry: hy·poc·ri·sy

Pronunciation: \hi-ˈpä-krə-sē also hī-\

Function: noun

Inflected Form(s): plural hy·poc·ri·sies

Etymology: Middle English ypocrisie, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrisis, from Greek hypokrisis act of playing a part on the stage, hypocrisy, fromhypokrinesthai to answer, act on the stage, from hypo- + krinein to decide — more at certain

Date: 13th century

1 : a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion
2 : an act or instance of hypocrisy

This has nothing to do with the 80s insofar as he held himself, in the 80s, to being an "artist."

You seem to think that because Walmart now sells groceries that it is to be used as the prime example of music merchandising. Why would you suggest that? Please back up your theory as I am genuinely interested.

Yeah, you still playing LoveSexy on full blast ? ...WTF ?

I don't understand what your obsession with the 80s is. What does LoveSexy have to do with 20TEN or Planet Earth aside from the brain it came from? Nothing.

TheRIP said:

We should wait and hear what the music's like. You can give garbage away for free, but it's still garbage.

You can pay hundreds of dollars/pounds/euro's for caviar ....it's stilly bloody fish eggs...so what's your point ?

TheRIP said:

We should wait and hear what the music's like. You can give garbage away for free, but it's still garbage.

You can pay hundreds of dollars/pounds/euro's for caviar ....it's stilly bloody fish eggs...so what's your point ?

Seriously are people really bitching about free music?? Really?

cool

Well, no one actually BUYS his new music (beyond his hardcore fans), so you gotta do something to get it out there.....

TheRIP said:

We should wait and hear what the music's like. You can give garbage away for free, but it's still garbage.

Frederick96 said:

I wonder how long it will take to get to us in the states

Be patient; I'm certain an announcement will be forthcoming. I made the mistake of ordering a Planet Earth covermount in 2006--and boy, what a waste of funds that was.

kaine said:

Seriously are people really bitching about free music?? Really?

Not only that, but people are bitching about free music they haven't even heard yet!

BTW, I notice that "Cause and Effect" and "Hot Summer" are not on the tracklist.

I still maintain that if you grabbed "Hot Summer", you did not engage in the sordid business of bootlegging.

Dreamer2 said:

TheRIP said:

We should wait and hear what the music's like. You can give garbage away for free, but it's still garbage.

You can pay hundreds of dollars/pounds/euro's for caviar ....it's stilly bloody fish eggs...so what's your point ?

My point is that we can all get excited over this now, but if the music is shitty and we never listen to it again, then it's really no big deal if we're getting it for free.

Spinlight said:

Purpracer2 said:

Someone mentioned that giving the cd away to a "cash register magazine stand" is trashy. Actually, I think it is a brilliant move. A gossip magazine like the National Enquirer sells A LOT! And, perhaps as far as his wanting to make a lot of cash... who here doesn't want more money right now? Especially with this economy that has no signs of getting better? He may be using the extra money to give to charities. I'm starting one myself... the Purpracer Failed Back Surgery at the Laser Spine Institute in Tampa, FL Charity.

I'm just happy there's a new cd coming.

I thought Prince was an "artist" and that money is "just ink and chlorophyll"?

It's odd to me that there are so many people out there who will apologize for Prince's hypocrisies in the name of being all-out "positive." If an artist like Prince makes it known that he is about real music for real music lovers, then all this talk about cash is irrelevant.

Giving his album away with a newspaper is trashy. It's not just haters on the Org who feel this way, but also the general public music buyer. Covermounts are for trial software, not for "quintessential masterpieces" from a respected artist. And, lest you or anyone else think that Prince doesn't have to enter into a contract to do these sort of deals, you are sorely mistaken. It is well known that when he signs on the dotted line, he gets a huge chunk of cash outright (akin to the amount of money he'd get should 2.5 million copies legitimately sell on their own) and has completed a transaction with these papers. This goes directly against things Prince crusades for right now, not just a year ago, 5 years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago.

People have a hard time figuring out why Prince finds it okay to indict others for doing things he is absolutely guilty of. Why is it not okay for prefab, manufactured artists to push a product, but its okay for Prince to put 10 songs on a disc in a cardboard sleeve and attach it to whatever shameless rag he wants? I mean, it's great that he has the ability to do that, I suppose, but it does't speak to his genuine artistry nor his supposed disdain for monetizing said art hand over fist.

I wish people would stop dreaming up scenarios which paint critics of Prince's hypocrisy as ungrateful ogres, clacking away behind their computer screens and just look at everything that has happened. You don't need to be a negative person to question Prince's motives and to notice just how uninterested he is in his fans (it even pours out in his interviews). Kind of reminds me of when Hot Summer, Purple and Gold, and Cause and Effect were released and you had people praising these tracks because "at least they are better than what's on the radio." No, they aren't and you don't need to try to hard just to be a good fan to an artist. Real music lovers love real musicians who love them back because those real musicians realize that it doesn't matter what they would be without the record label or the newspaper - they wouldn't be anywhere without the real music lovers supporting them.

Wow... someone had too much coffee this morning. It was just a suggestion. Why do people here jump on others so quickly? I play music myself and have a right to an opinion on Prince's new music. I feel sorry for individuals who can't get it in their skulls that people like what they like. Xanax, anyone?

RodeoSchro said:

kaine said:

Seriously are people really bitching about free music?? Really?

Not only that, but people are bitching about free music they haven't even heard yet!

It's funny to compartmentalize and trivialize a legitimate discussion by claiming it doesn't have anything to do with the topic at hand, huh.

RodeoSchro said:

chookalana said:

Well, no one actually BUYS his new music (beyond his hardcore fans), so you gotta do something to get it out there.....

It's a fact of music people buy what they like and hear !

Hence - the free give away always increase the sale of Prince's back catalogue of music from 1970's - 2010's ...

The same thing for concerts !

Purpracer2 said:

Wow... someone had too much coffee this morning. It was just a suggestion. Why do people here jump on others so quickly? I play music myself and have a right to an opinion on Prince's new music. I feel sorry for individuals who can't get it in their skulls that people like what they like. Xanax, anyone?

Ummm, but no one has heard the album so the discussion cannot possibly revolve around the content of the record.

camrod66 said:

If this paper is .99 I just don't see how prince will make good money? I mean the paper has to get paid also right? What could princes cut of that be?

Prince will (probably) have been paid a fee up front that he thinks is a fair price for his music, these newspaper groups make lots of money based on increased circulation etc, so they profit from the deal too, we as fans get a "free" CD - everyone's a winner!

[Edited 6/29/10 8:55am]

camrod66 said:

RodeoSchro said:

Not only that, but people are bitching about free music they haven't even heard yet!

If this paper is .99 I just don't see how prince will make good money? I mean the paper has to get paid also right? What could princes cut of that be?

i don't kno if he would have gone for a '1 pence per copy' royalties type deal. (£250,000) the mail on sunday just paid him $1million for the uk distrubution rights outright, and they paid for promotion, pressing etc. they sold an extra 600,000 copies on the day @ £1.40 per copy, plus they would have had a BIG surge in advertising revenue from advertisers wanting to be in that issue, but i guess second time around it may b a bigger risk, but more 4 the papers than 4 P !

Prince To Release '20Ten' For Free In Europe

Prince will release his new album, "20Ten," as a free giveaway with various European newspapers and magazines.

In the U.K., Prince has signed up with tabloid newspaper the Daily Mirror and its associated Scottish title the Daily Record for the CD giveaway. More than 2.5 million copies will be distributed on July 10 with the newspapers.

The deal will also include Prince's first British newspaper interview in more than a decade and competitions for European concert tickets.

The German edition of Rolling Stone has announced that its August issue, to be published July 22, will include a new Prince album, "20Ten."

As well as including the "20Ten" CD, the magazine will also carry an interview with Prince, who plays a July 5 concert at Berlin Waldbuhne. It has already published a track-by-track of the album online here in German.

The 10-track album will not have a regular release at retail or via download, according to a statement from German Rolling Stone, although it seems likely that this only applies to the German market.

Prince's July 2007 album "Planet Earth" was released as a free cover-mount CD with the Mail on Sunday newspaper in the U.K., to coincide with his London O2 Arena shows. U.K. retailers reacted with fury at the newspaper exclusive, following decades of support for the artist by British record stores.

As a result of the Mail on Sunday deal, Columbia declined to distribute the album in the U.K. when it released the album internationally a week or so after the newspaper appeared. Three years on, it is still not being distributed in the U.K. on download stores such as iTunes or with physical retailers.

Prince has already agreed another deal for Belgium, where the "20Ten" album will be issued with the Het Nieuwblad newspaper on July 10, the day he performs at the country's Werchter festival. The newspaper already ran an extensive interview with Prince on June 24.

It remains to be seen whether Prince strikes other European deals with magazines and newspapers, and how he intends to release the album in North America.

Anywhere in the states that imports these pubs?

NouveauDance said:

It's interesting he isn't doing this in the USA. I'm guessing the deal with WB is to distribute 20TEN there?

Is this because the logistics of distributing to the whole country through one newspaper wouldn't be possible, or profitable?

As someone else pointed out-the only way would be USA today or a national magazine aka Rollingstone. Now a free give away would have been cool with a Rollingstone cover issue. But we will have to pay 10 bucks and get it in the stores.

Prince Preps Funky New Disc '20Ten' Artist will release new record with German issue of 'Rolling Stone' and British newspapers

After unveiling the titl... June 27th, Prince has announced that he will release his new record, titled 20Ten, on July 22. The album — his follow-up to 2009's triple disc Lotusflow3er — will be included as an add-on to a German issue of Rolling Stone, which will also feature an interview with Prince. (Check out the album artwork at left.) While no plans for a U.S. release have been announced yet, Prince has also joined forces with three other European newspapers (England's Daily Mirror, Scotland's Daily Record and Belgium's Het Nieuwsblad) to release the album on July 10. This marks the second time Prince has put out new music as a newspaper add-on: in July 2007, the artist released the album Planet Earth with Britain's Mail on Sunday.

20Ten will boast guest appearances by saxophonist Maceo Parker and singers Shelby J, Liv Warfield and Elisa Dease. Prince wrote, produced and recorded the album, which is described as having "strong funk and new wave elements," at his own Paisley Park studios in Minnesota. Prince will follow the release of 20Ten with a European tour.

While Prince hasn't announced how 20Ten will be released in America, the fansite Dr. Funkenberry reports that Prince recently held meetings with Warner Bros. to plot out how his new album will be distributed in the States. As Rolling Stone previously reported, Prince last teamed with the retailer Target for the exclusive release of the triple-disc Lotusflow3r package, which also included his funk-heavy album MPLSound. A tracklisting for 20Ten is below:

1. "Compassion"
2. "Endlessly Beginning"
3. "Future Soul Song"
4. "Sticky Like Glue"
5. "Lavaux"
6. "Act Of God"
7. "Walk In Sand"
8. "Sea Of Everything"
9. "Everybody Loves Me"
10. "Untitled Bonus Track"

http://www.rollingstone.c...386/122641

This is tragic. The pop album, what once used to be a high art form, has devolved into a tchatche, a throwaway gimmick to help sell 50 cent tabloid newspapers.

Mr. Nelson, is this really worth a few pennies in your pockets?

camrod66 said:

RodeoSchro said:

Not only that, but people are bitching about free music they haven't even heard yet!

If this paper is .99 I just don't see how prince will make good money? I mean the paper has to get paid also right? What could princes cut of that be?

Newspapers don't make money on the sales price of the paper, they make it on the advertising sales.

What a newspaper will do in this case is tell advertisers that they're going to print many more copies than normal, and that many more people than normal will pick up the newspaper so they can get the CD.

Therefore, the newspaper company will either plan on selling more ads than normal for that issue, or charge a little more for ads in that issue, or probably both.

That's how they make their money on a deal like this.

p4life said:

what about us over here in the us ? how will we get a copy?

I am sure we'll get a copy somehow.