Dreamer2 said:

Prince's newspaper release

Prince has decided to release his latest album 20ten through the Belgium newspaper Het Nieuwsblad on July 10th and the August edition of Germany’s Rolling Stone.

This will not be the first time that Prince has launched a free CD included in a newspaper. In 2007, he infuriated the music industry by releasing Planet Earth through the Daily Mail in the UK.

In a 2007 music conference, ERA co-chairman Paul Quirk said of the release, “It would be an insult to all those record stores who have supported Prince throughout his career. It would be yet another example of the damaging covermount culture which is destroying any perception of value around recorded music. The Artist Formerly Known as Prince should know that with behaviour like this he will soon be the Artist Formerly Available in Record Stores.”

Undaunted by the music industry’s outrage, Prince went ahead with plans and released the album to worldwide success. It didn’t seem to be a detriment to his career, as Prince won BET’s Lifetime Achievement Award in Los Angeles this Sunday.

20ten will not have a regular release in those countries where there is a newspaper publication, but Warner Bros. will distribute the 10-track album everywhere else. Other European newspaper releases may follow, and Prince has reportedly discussed alternative releases with Warner Bros.

20ten tracklist:
Compassion
Beginning Endlessly
Future Soul Song
Sticky Like Glue
Lavaux
Act of God
Walk in Sand
Sea of Everything
Everybody Loves Me
Bonus Track

http://www.fasterlouder.c...elease.htm

what is prince trying to accomplish with this ?

theres gotta be a reason he did this ?

I wonder if those newspapers will include the CD when sold in other countries..

I know that the Daily Mirror is the only newspaper/magazine of the ones with the freebie CD that is sold in my country, only problem is that I called the bookstore chain that sells the Daily Mirror in Iceland and they don't actually receive "hard copies" by airmail, they only print out the newspaper on-demand.

Dreamer2 said:

funkyhead said:

Bart so cracks me up!. I think we're all very much agreed that P makes a tonne of cash from this deal and fair play to him on achieveing it. The quality of what is actually released though is always a matter of opinion- mine is alas that of a typical 80's fan i.e. it's not as good as it used to be! [but then again name me a major star whose music is?]. Bart made the point that P can't compete in the market place because his music sucks! [which is not far off the truth] BUT if a new P track was played in heavy rotation then perhaps he would score a hit. Someone else alas made the point about P still selling tix but worryingly this [as far as I know so far] ain't happening on this tour - has P's poor quality of music and piss poor attention to a project finally milked the live cash cow dry?.

As always I will wish P well in this venture and hope that the CD will be good , however I ahve learned to lower my expectations over the years!

Ok, All 80's Prince fans, have a look at the chart hit's since 1994/1995 - 2010 and tell me that they are better quality than Prince's stuff since that date...

And yet Prince still can't get a hit.

Bart wake up man, MJ (r.i.p) never had a hit since, god knows when? he died last year and he's still today outselling every artist alive, concert, dvd, and music wise!

Yes, it's called hype. Oh, and MJ wasn't doing so well before.

Nothing you said is anywhere relevant to the points I made. Which informs me that I'm right, and you're trying to create a strawman to avoid admitting I'm right.

Mayte319 said:

http://www.brandrepublic....promotion/

http://www.marketingweek....77.article

I guess the Wtachtower people are now doing his artwork.

Someone mentioned that giving the cd away to a "cash register magazine stand" is trashy. Actually, I think it is a brilliant move. A gossip magazine like the National Enquirer sells A LOT! And, perhaps as far as his wanting to make a lot of cash... who here doesn't want more money right now? Especially with this economy that has no signs of getting better? He may be using the extra money to give to charities. I'm starting one myself... the Purpracer Failed Back Surgery at the Laser Spine Institute in Tampa, FL Charity.

I'm just happy there's a new cd coming.

When aggression comes to steal your heart,

True love will rise and tear it all apart...

p4life said:

what about us over here in the us ? how will we get a copy?

When the people in England, Belgium and Germany post the torrent files. Also is it illegal since technically the CD is free? Hm... makes you think don't it?

NouveauDance said:

It's interesting he isn't doing this in the USA. I'm guessing the deal with WB is to distribute 20TEN there?

Is this because the logistics of distributing to the whole country through one newspaper wouldn't be possible, or profitable?

The only method I can see him using in the USA is the USA Today paper OR some magazine like Rolling Stone???

lm glad hes doing this move..... he knows he makes more money this way like he did before with the planet earth................

lm happy to see he made the right decisions now......

l cant wait to get hold of the new CD and the MIRROR....

amen to this...

squirrelgrease said:

I heard Prince loves the Mirror.

ich mitiere zu DINOSAURIA

mir wächst einen SCHNABEL ,

um besser zu pecken.

was wird wohl der Spiegel sagen.

Mayte319 said:

http://www.brandrepublic....promotion/

http://www.marketingweek....77.article

I know I am going to catch flak for this but the disc looks kind of like someone ate a box of crayons and then realized it was a bad idea... but then again what do I know about 'modern' art?

alexnvrmind said:

p4life said:

what about us over here in the us ? how will we get a copy?

When the people in England, Belgium and Germany post the torrent files. Also is it illegal since technically the CD is free? Hm... makes you think don't it?

yeah i was thinking that too if the music is initially $ free.99

can he get mad at me for downloading it for $ free.99?

The funny thing is Prince knows that he will make more money through these newspaper distribution deals than through record sales because the music industry is dying as quickly as his ability to make a great record. I will give him that much respect, for an older artist to be able to continue to make money in these times is a miracle. Too bad it's being made through nostalgia's glasses and not through quality products.

alexnvrmind said:

Mayte319 said:

http://www.brandrepublic....promotion/

http://www.marketingweek....77.article

I know I am going to catch flak for this but the disc looks kind of like someone ate a box of crayons and then realized it was a bad idea... but then again what do I know about 'modern' art?

WetDream said:

alexnvrmind said:

I know I am going to catch flak for this but the disc looks kind of like someone ate a box of crayons and then realized it was a bad idea... but then again what do I know about 'modern' art?

And ATWIAD artwork is completely different and genius? I like em, he's still that guy.

The disc artwork kinda reminds me of Of Montreal's Skeletal Lamping artwork.

WetDream said:

alexnvrmind said:

I know I am going to catch flak for this but the disc looks kind of like someone ate a box of crayons and then realized it was a bad idea... but then again what do I know about 'modern' art?

And ATWIAD artwork is completely different and genius? I like em, he's still that guy.

i like the art work

it gets my attention because it so bright and colorful

squirrelgrease said:

p4life said:

what about us over here in the us ? how will we get a copy?

The wrecka stowe.

i know i want a copy also, and i am from us.

NouveauDance said:

It's interesting he isn't doing this in the USA. I'm guessing the deal with WB is to distribute 20TEN there?

Is this because the logistics of distributing to the whole country through one newspaper wouldn't be possible, or profitable?

Newspaper-mounted discs are nearly unheard of in the States, but he could have approached a national daily newspaper, such as USA Today, with an idea, then asked for large amounts of money upfront and the publisher balked!

[Edited 6/29/10 8:01am]

NouveauDance said:

MikeyB71 said:

But they will complain, and complain, and complain.

And when they hear the album, they will complain about that too.

If Prince were to turn up on their doorsteps with instruments and recording equipment, and write and record an album to their exact specifications........they would find still find something to complain about.

Oh, stop complaining.

LOL......

Number23 said:

It'll be free with the papers on July 10. http://www.guardian.co.uk...ror-prince

Someone in the UK please help a sista out!

BartVanHemelen said:

Dreamer2 said:

And yet Prince still can't get a hit.

Bart wake up man, MJ (r.i.p) never had a hit since, god knows when? he died last year and he's still today outselling every artist alive, concert, dvd, and music wise!

Yes, it's called hype. Oh, and MJ wasn't doing so well before.

Nothing you said is anywhere relevant to the points I made. Which informs me that I'm right, and you're trying to create a strawman to avoid admitting I'm right.

Bart face up to it, you've lost the plot, your comments just don't have any weight anymore, you played yourself out of the game.... you can't even back up your points anymore.

Give up, you've lost it, your point of view on Prince is just too limited and dated .... You should start all your threads off with the following statement back in the 80's when i was young and had hair!

LMAO, this thread is cracking me up. Although Bart can make a good point from time to time, I take issue with most of his positions. To wit:

I know some of you have written songs before. You know it's not easy, and it's certainly impossible to decide, "Today, I shall write the next Purple Rain". It just doesn't work like that. If it did, every album would be the next Purple Rain.

You write what you come up with. And history is replete with the next point I will make - as artists grow older and wealthier, they start writing from another place. It is impossible to stop this transition. Try as one might, one cannot keep the anger and hunger from their disadvantaged youth evident in songs that are written 20 years after they've attained success.

I suppose it's possible that if one was strung out on drugs or booze, a middle-aged rocker might be able to tap back into the places of their youth. But look at the cost! And Prince does not do drugs or booze, so this is not going to happen.

We can harp on Prince's distribution methods all we want, but these methods accomplish what Prince wants them to. That's why he continues to use them. Whether it's because they are the most profitable, or they reach the most people, or they allow Prince to have more control, it doesn't matter. Prince uses them because they are successful as he defines it.

Same thing with "hits". Prince's new stuff isn't played on the radio, that's a fact. It's pretty obvious Prince doesn't care, either. He does not appear to need radio play to: (1) satisfy his ego; or (2) drive sales of his music. By the way, his music is nevertheless generally nominated for (and sometimes wins) Grammies and other awards.

Now, Prince doesn't care if his music is played on the radio - and frankly, neither do I. I don't listen to the radio much, and I doubt you do, either. If I want to hear Prince in my car, BOOM! goes the iPod. Prince has one or two songs from each of his last few CDs that I think WOULD be hits, but thanks to technology, I can hear them any time I want, anywhere I want. So why would I care if HIT 104FM doesn't play "Guitar"? I don't need HIT 104FM to hear it.

The points I do find common ground with Bart on revolve around touring and his unreleased stuff. I sure do with he'd tour more. And by "tour more", I mean play in Houston, Texas. He hasn't been here since he backed up Tamar in 2006, and he hasn't headlined here since 2004. Unless you live in Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Paris or London, you probably feel the same way.

And even this non-touring would be less of an issue if Prince would make available his performances, in either DVD or download format. For all his originality in releasing CDs, it's really quite surprising that he hasn't applied the same ingenuity in releasing videos of his live performances.

That brings us to the vault. Yeah, we all want it. Yeah, most of us have it anyway. Why he doesn't release stuff from the vault on a regular basis is a mystery to me. My best guess is that Prince just absolutely refuses to ever look backwards, so releasing stuff that he created years or decades ago just doesn't strike him as worthwhile.

Finally, we have his website or lack thereof. For all the criticism Lotu$flower.com rightfully took, at least I got to see his performance of "Guitar" on Leno. Best performance of a song I've ever seen anyone do. I guess that's worth $77, although I had to figure out myself how to grab the video (which Prince said, buried in the fineprint, was OK to do). Lotu$flower.com was a bad deal otherwise, and did not live up to the sales job.

But I have to honestly say that after following Prince since the release of "Soft and Wet" that Lotu$flower.com is the only time he's disappointed me. And even then, I got something from the website that to me, is priceless.

Purpracer2 said:

Someone mentioned that giving the cd away to a "cash register magazine stand" is trashy. Actually, I think it is a brilliant move. A gossip magazine like the National Enquirer sells A LOT! And, perhaps as far as his wanting to make a lot of cash... who here doesn't want more money right now? Especially with this economy that has no signs of getting better? He may be using the extra money to give to charities. I'm starting one myself... the Purpracer Failed Back Surgery at the Laser Spine Institute in Tampa, FL Charity.

I'm just happy there's a new cd coming.

When aggression comes to steal your heart,

True love will rise and tear it all apart...

I thought Prince was an "artist" and that money is "just ink and chlorophyll"?

It's odd to me that there are so many people out there who will apologize for Prince's hypocrisies in the name of being all-out "positive." If an artist like Prince makes it known that he is about real music for real music lovers, then all this talk about cash is irrelevant.

Giving his album away with a newspaper is trashy. It's not just haters on the Org who feel this way, but also the general public music buyer. Covermounts are for trial software, not for "quintessential masterpieces" from a respected artist. And, lest you or anyone else think that Prince doesn't have to enter into a contract to do these sort of deals, you are sorely mistaken. It is well known that when he signs on the dotted line, he gets a huge chunk of cash outright (akin to the amount of money he'd get should 2.5 million copies legitimately sell on their own) and has completed a transaction with these papers. This goes directly against things Prince crusades for right now, not just a year ago, 5 years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago.

People have a hard time figuring out why Prince finds it okay to indict others for doing things he is absolutely guilty of. Why is it not okay for prefab, manufactured artists to push a product, but its okay for Prince to put 10 songs on a disc in a cardboard sleeve and attach it to whatever shameless rag he wants? I mean, it's great that he has the ability to do that, I suppose, but it does't speak to his genuine artistry nor his supposed disdain for monetizing said art hand over fist.

I wish people would stop dreaming up scenarios which paint critics of Prince's hypocrisy as ungrateful ogres, clacking away behind their computer screens and just look at everything that has happened. You don't need to be a negative person to question Prince's motives and to notice just how uninterested he is in his fans (it even pours out in his interviews). Kind of reminds me of when Hot Summer, Purple and Gold, and Cause and Effect were released and you had people praising these tracks because "at least they are better than what's on the radio." No, they aren't and you don't need to try to hard just to be a good fan to an artist. Real music lovers love real musicians who love them back because those real musicians realize that it doesn't matter what they would be without the record label or the newspaper - they wouldn't be anywhere without the real music lovers supporting them.

PicklesMcMillan said:

WetDream said:

And ATWIAD artwork is completely different and genius? I like em, he's still that guy.

i like the art work

it gets my attention because it so bright and colorful

Dreamer2 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Bart face up to it, you've lost the plot, your comments just don't have any weight anymore, you played yourself out of the game.... you can't even back up your points anymore.

Give up, you've lost it, your point of view on Prince is just too limited and dated .... You should start all your threads off with the following statement back in the 80's when i was young and had hair!

Bart, he joined in May!! (Nuff Said)

sylvianice said:

squirrelgrease said:

The wrecka stowe.

i know i want a copy also, and i am from us.

It's almost a foregone conclusion that Prince has already inked a one-album deal with a major label (Universal or Warner) to distribute the album to North American retailers.

Spinlight said:

Purpracer2 said:

Someone mentioned that giving the cd away to a "cash register magazine stand" is trashy. Actually, I think it is a brilliant move. A gossip magazine like the National Enquirer sells A LOT! And, perhaps as far as his wanting to make a lot of cash... who here doesn't want more money right now? Especially with this economy that has no signs of getting better? He may be using the extra money to give to charities. I'm starting one myself... the Purpracer Failed Back Surgery at the Laser Spine Institute in Tampa, FL Charity.

I'm just happy there's a new cd coming.

I thought Prince was an "artist" and that money is "just ink and chlorophyll"?

It's odd to me that there are so many people out there who will apologize for Prince's hypocrisies in the name of being all-out "positive." If an artist like Prince makes it known that he is about real music for real music lovers, then all this talk about cash is irrelevant.

Giving his album away with a newspaper is trashy. It's not just haters on the Org who feel this way, but also the general public music buyer. Covermounts are for trial software, not for "quintessential masterpieces" from a respected artist. And, lest you or anyone else think that Prince doesn't have to enter into a contract to do these sort of deals, you are sorely mistaken. It is well known that when he signs on the dotted line, he gets a huge chunk of cash outright (akin to the amount of money he'd get should 2.5 million copies legitimately sell on their own) and has completed a transaction with these papers. This goes directly against things Prince crusades for right now, not just a year ago, 5 years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago.

People have a hard time figuring out why Prince finds it okay to indict others for doing things he is absolutely guilty of. Why is it not okay for prefab, manufactured artists to push a product, but its okay for Prince to put 10 songs on a disc in a cardboard sleeve and attach it to whatever shameless rag he wants? I mean, it's great that he has the ability to do that, I suppose, but it does't speak to his genuine artistry nor his supposed disdain for monetizing said art hand over fist.

I wish people would stop dreaming up scenarios which paint critics of Prince's hypocrisy as ungrateful ogres, clacking away behind their computer screens and just look at everything that has happened. You don't need to be a negative person to question Prince's motives and to notice just how uninterested he is in his fans (it even pours out in his interviews). Kind of reminds me of when Hot Summer, Purple and Gold, and Cause and Effect were released and you had people praising these tracks because "at least they are better than what's on the radio." No, they aren't and you don't need to try to hard just to be a good fan to an artist. Real music lovers love real musicians who love them back because those real musicians realize that it doesn't matter what they would be without the record label or the newspaper - they wouldn't be anywhere without the real music lovers supporting them.

What a load of bull****, so going down to Tesco's/Wal-Mart and buying it with Milk and Eggs is class....

Hypocrisy ... the man plays music in a band and sings on stage, if you don't like it don't buy it simple ....Hypocrisy is expecting the man to do what you want just because you bought some records back in the 80's ... How silly is that?

Some people on this forum are really up their own ass!

[Edited 6/29/10 8:23am]

Klyph said:

Dreamer2 said:

Bart face up to it, you've lost the plot, your comments just don't have any weight anymore, you played yourself out of the game.... you can't even back up your points anymore.

Give up, you've lost it, your point of view on Prince is just too limited and dated .... You should start all your threads off with the following statement back in the 80's when i was young and had hair!

Bart, he joined in May!! (Nuff Said)

Yeah and nobody was into Prince until this website came along....

Nuff Said...

paisleypark4 said:

robinhood said:

i suspect he will soon be giving his music away for free on the internet to show artists exactly how much freedom they really have, if indeed that is his primary concern ?

>

he already gave albums away online for free Remeber the 1999-2002 era?

No he did not. We got several tracks for free over the years, but to get all the stuff he released over the years on the net you had to be a paying member of his online club. He never released a whole album for free on the net during that time period.

Dreamer2 said:

Spinlight said:

I thought Prince was an "artist" and that money is "just ink and chlorophyll"?

It's odd to me that there are so many people out there who will apologize for Prince's hypocrisies in the name of being all-out "positive." If an artist like Prince makes it known that he is about real music for real music lovers, then all this talk about cash is irrelevant.

Giving his album away with a newspaper is trashy. It's not just haters on the Org who feel this way, but also the general public music buyer. Covermounts are for trial software, not for "quintessential masterpieces" from a respected artist. And, lest you or anyone else think that Prince doesn't have to enter into a contract to do these sort of deals, you are sorely mistaken. It is well known that when he signs on the dotted line, he gets a huge chunk of cash outright (akin to the amount of money he'd get should 2.5 million copies legitimately sell on their own) and has completed a transaction with these papers. This goes directly against things Prince crusades for right now, not just a year ago, 5 years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago.

People have a hard time figuring out why Prince finds it okay to indict others for doing things he is absolutely guilty of. Why is it not okay for prefab, manufactured artists to push a product, but its okay for Prince to put 10 songs on a disc in a cardboard sleeve and attach it to whatever shameless rag he wants? I mean, it's great that he has the ability to do that, I suppose, but it does't speak to his genuine artistry nor his supposed disdain for monetizing said art hand over fist.

I wish people would stop dreaming up scenarios which paint critics of Prince's hypocrisy as ungrateful ogres, clacking away behind their computer screens and just look at everything that has happened. You don't need to be a negative person to question Prince's motives and to notice just how uninterested he is in his fans (it even pours out in his interviews). Kind of reminds me of when Hot Summer, Purple and Gold, and Cause and Effect were released and you had people praising these tracks because "at least they are better than what's on the radio." No, they aren't and you don't need to try to hard just to be a good fan to an artist. Real music lovers love real musicians who love them back because those real musicians realize that it doesn't matter what they would be without the record label or the newspaper - they wouldn't be anywhere without the real music lovers supporting them.

What a load of bull****, so going down to Tesco's/Wal-Mart and buying it with Milk and Eggs is class....

Hypocrisy ... the man plays music in a band and sings on stage, if you don't like it don't buy it simple ....Hypocrisy is expecting the man to do what you want just because you bought some records back in the 80's ... How silly is that?

Some people on this forum are really up the their own ass!

You wearin' loafers? Cuz you seem confused.

http://www.merriam-webste.../hypocrisy

1 : a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion
2 : an act or instance of hypocrisy

This has nothing to do with the 80s insofar as he held himself, in the 80s, to being an "artist."

You seem to think that because Walmart now sells groceries that it is to be used as the prime example of music merchandising. Why would you suggest that? Please back up your theory as I am genuinely interested.

We should wait and hear what the music's like. You can give garbage away for free, but it's still garbage.