wasitgood4u said:

robinhood said:

um no, its not possible for 'artists' to release this way, its only possible for Prince, because he's Prince, or for Elton John, because he's Elton John, or for ALREADY WELL-KNOWN ARTISTS across the board, but new artists? no.

this may be an exercise in innovation, but its not relevant to 'artists' unless they are well-known.

imo, newspaper give-aways cheapen Prince and his music. dont know bout you all, but newspaper is what some folk use to clean up vomit, then chuck it in the trash.

the whole concept is inconsistent with anything even remotely musical and even though it's innovative, its not necessarily smart.

sorry people's i just get irked by 'representatives' who talk in a manner which shows they have no real connection to the true value of Prince's work, but hey, if they wanna throw it out there with raped rainforests and call it a brilliant idea they can be my guest lol

I agree and thought the same thing, but.. hypothatically, what if this started to take off and papers periodically included record giveaways to boost their readership? I could see themquickly exploring alternatives to the big names (cheaper too...) such as compilations of "the hottest new acts" or themed compilations etc. This could potentially become a new avenue of getting music out there (it's not really that new, though, is it? Music mags and other rags have been doing it for years - I have on my ipod a great compilation disk given away with a local paper about 12 years ago...)

yeah, and no it isnt new, all i can think right now is 'who's pimpin who'. its more about the association with the absolute bottom of the barrel distribution methods ever. black on white sensationalist headlines, papers mostly filled with outright lies about everything under the sun, newspapers which have ruined people's lives, printed horror stories day in day out, tabloid paparazzi pictures invading privacy, and somewhere in there they get around to reporting what they call 'news'.

it's just so damn matrix. i thought he was cool when he freed himself from all that rubbish. thats what makes it look cheap. not whether or not its free. its the association that cheapens the whole thing.

wooooohooooooo

I wonder if Prince really has a clue about the papers that he chooses to distribute his albums through.

I couldn't imagine any self-respecting British musician choosing The Mirror to give away their album. That's the equivalent of giving it away with The National Enquirer in the States.

Or perhaps he is aware of this, but they simply offered him the biggest sum of money and he took it?

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MattyJam said:

I wonder if Prince really has a clue about the papers that he chooses to distribute his albums through.

I couldn't imagine any self-respecting British musician choosing The Mirror to give away their album. That's the equivalent of giving it away with The National Enquirer in the States.

Or perhaps he is aware of this, but they simply offered him the biggest sum of money and he took it?

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I think orgers really just don't understand the nature of corporate business, the fact that these businesses WB or The Mirror Group of newspapers only work with an artist like Prince for money and have no interest in the music or artist!

What Prince is doing is opening up a channel to market , like the internet , MTV it's just a channel to market.

WB don't produce anything it's the Artist that makes the music, same with Target, MTV, Internet, The Mirror Newspaper it's just a channel!

What would MTV be without MJ ?

What would WB without Prince, Madonna etc... ?

What's a newspapers with out content to read or something to sell ..?

What good is the internet without content ...?

Prince.org is only here because of Prince the artist ..

How many Albums has Prince created and you still don't get the message, everything goes back down to the creator! He's been sing about this for years ... Let's go crazy etc...etc..

People say Prince sings about sex ... without sex nobody on this forum would be here!

New Prince album to be given away by Daily Mirror and Daily Record

International music star Prince is to distribute his new album, ‘20TEN', free and exclusively with the Daily Mirror and Daily Record.

Over 2.5 million copies of the free CD will be given away to fans in the UK and Ireland with the papers on Saturday, July 10, 2010.

The album giveaway is part of a multimedia collaboration with the artist which will see the Daily Mirror and it’s Scottish sister title Daily Record run a series of Prince-themed features devoted to one of pop music’s most iconic personalities.

Fans can look forward to his first British newspaper interview in more than 10 years as well as ticket giveaways to his European concerts.

“The Most Beautiful Girl In The World in 1995 was Prince’s first number one selling single as a completely free artist,” said Kiran Sharma of KIKIT, Prince’s representative and producer of his live shows, said

“Fifteen years on, Prince is demonstrating that in 2010 it is still possible for artists to work in an independent and innovative capacity, highlighted here in a world first of delivering the new album across multiple territories, through complementary distribution channels.”

“The new album, 20TEN, is a celebratory, quintessential Prince masterpiece and marks the start of the international tour.”

Richard Wallace, editor of the Daily Mirror, added, “As well as the release of the album itself, we have a packed programme of Prince-related activity to keep his fans happy – including his first UK newspaper interview for over a decade – all exclusively with the Mirror and Record.”

The release of the album follows the success of Prince's last newspaper album giveaway, ‘Planet Earth’ with the Mail on Sunday, in July 2007.

http://www.utalkmarketing...ily_Record

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ummm, wonder if Prince will play Scotland ???

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Dreamer2 said:

MattyJam said:

I wonder if Prince really has a clue about the papers that he chooses to distribute his albums through.

I couldn't imagine any self-respecting British musician choosing The Mirror to give away their album. That's the equivalent of giving it away with The National Enquirer in the States.

Or perhaps he is aware of this, but they simply offered him the biggest sum of money and he took it?

[Edited 6/29/10 4:39am]

I think orgers really just don't understand the nature of corporate business, the fact that these businesses WB or The Mirror Group of newspapers only work with an artist like Prince for money and have no interest in the music or artist!

Except that years ago even major labels were about music. That only changed in the 1990s.

What Prince is doing is opening up a channel to market , like the internet , MTV it's just a channel to market.

Nonsense. MTV = promotion. YouTube = the new MTV.

WB don't produce anything it's the Artist that makes the music, same with Target, MTV, Internet, The Mirror Newspaper it's just a channel!

That's funny, I heard plenty of bitching from Prince about WB and Arista etc in the past.

What would WB without Prince, Madonna etc... ?

What would Prince be without WB? Or without a competent management team?

How many Albums has Prince created and you still don't get the message, everything goes back down to the creator!

Except when it doesn't. But then hypocrisy is a feature, not a bug.

It's very simple: because Prince's music can't compete in the marketplace (because it sucks, and Prince knows it sucks, because he patently doesn't promote it), he instead focuses on deals that secure a big pay-out for him, regardless of quality. WB et al expect him to a) deliver a quality record and b) actively promote it.

But these "free with newspaper"-deals don't expect that, and we're all winners. Well, except the fans who have to pay money towards crappy newspapers, collectors who might need to buy dozens of versions because each release is slightly different, and all fans because this album will be another pile of mediocre mush.

Remember when Prince released worthwhile records? When he toured those? When he released singles from them? When his management and record company "forced" him to deliver quality product and follow up on it? Man, those were bad times, right?

You'd think that someone who pretentiously called himself "The Artist" would have some professional pride. But instead, all he cares about is what's in his bank account at the end of the day. Artistic legacy? Pfffrt, who needs that when you can collect a couple of million by handing sub-par crap to a dying industry desperately searching for "innovative" ways of making people buy their obsolete product.

BartVanHemelen said:

You'd think that someone who pretentiously called himself "The Artist" would have some professional pride. But instead, all he cares about is what's in his bank account at the end of the day. Artistic legacy? Pfffrt, who needs that when you can collect a couple of million by handing sub-par crap to a dying industry desperately searching for "innovative" ways of making people buy their obsolete product.

Dreamer2 said:

Over 2.5 million copies of the free CD will be given away to fans in the UK and Ireland with the papers on Saturday, July 10, 2010.

Hundreds of thousands will be dumped in landfills in the following weeks.

Fans can look forward to his first British newspaper interview in more than 10 years as well as ticket giveaways to his European concerts.

Oh look, free tickets to concerts that are selling badly. Who'd thunk it?

“The Most Beautiful Girl In The World in 1995 was Prince’s first number one selling single as a completely free artist,” said Kiran Sharma of KIKIT, Prince’s representative and producer of his live shows, said

Hey Prince, your rep is a clueless fuckwit who doesn't know TMBGITW was released in 1994.

“Fifteen years on, Prince is demonstrating that in 2010 it is still possible for artists to work in an independent and innovative capacity, highlighted here in a world first of delivering the new album across multiple territories, through complementary distribution channels.”

How can something be innovative when it's also being done by other washed-up acts?

“The new album, 20TEN, is a celebratory, quintessential Prince masterpiece

Translation: it wil suck.

BartVanHemelen said:

Dreamer2 said:

Over 2.5 million copies of the free CD will be given away to fans in the UK and Ireland with the papers on Saturday, July 10, 2010.

Hundreds of thousands will be dumped in landfills in the following weeks.

How can something be innovative when it's also being done by other washed-up acts?

“The new album, 20TEN, is a celebratory, quintessential Prince masterpiece

Translation: it wil suck.

Girl,

please!

Simply. don't. buy. it.

BartVanHemelen said:

Hey Prince, your rep is a clueless fuckwit who doesn't know TMBGITW was released in 1994.

I think its a cool idea to release it through the paper for a few reasons. A lot of people aren't as familiar with his current output & this would certainly reach a wider audience rather than hope someone picks up a copy. How can anyone complain that its free? That is beyond me folks... just b/c its free doesn't mean it doesn't have any value, that's silly to me... you have to purchase the paper. The only thing I don't like about it is that its only a short term release, meaning how are fans suppose to purchase this album 3 years from now? I'm sure a US deal will be released soon, but I wonder how he's going to do it? I kinda think it would be cool if he did it through the paper in the states (really b/c I'm biased b/c I read the paper everyday ) but I doubt he do it that way.

It's interesting he isn't doing this in the USA. I'm guessing the deal with WB is to distribute 20TEN there?

Is this because the logistics of distributing to the whole country through one newspaper wouldn't be possible, or profitable?

BartVanHemelen said:

Dreamer2 said:

What would Prince be without WB? Or without a competent management team?

How many Albums has Prince created and you still don't get the message, everything goes back down to the creator!

Except when it doesn't. But then hypocrisy is a feature, not a bug.

It's very simple: because Prince's music can't compete in the marketplace (because it sucks, and Prince knows it sucks, because he patently doesn't promote it), he instead focuses on deals that secure a big pay-out for him, regardless of quality. WB et al expect him to a) deliver a quality record and b) actively promote it.

But these "free with newspaper"-deals don't expect that, and we're all winners. Well, except the fans who have to pay money towards crappy newspapers, collectors who might need to buy dozens of versions because each release is slightly different, and all fans because this album will be another pile of mediocre mush.

Remember when Prince released worthwhile records? When he toured those? When he released singles from them? When his management and record company "forced" him to deliver quality product and follow up on it? Man, those were bad times, right?

You'd think that someone who pretentiously called himself "The Artist" would have some professional pride. But instead, all he cares about is what's in his bank account at the end of the day. Artistic legacy? Pfffrt, who needs that when you can collect a couple of million by handing sub-par crap to a dying industry desperately searching for "innovative" ways of making people buy their obsolete product.

The problem with you ramberlings is that they just blow up in your face everytime, Prince is still selling music, selling out tours, and releasing new music.

His record company did not want him to release KISS, etc... i'm not gonna go into how many records they did not think was "hit" or "worthwhile" .... you know your Prince history?

Look face it Bart you know as much about quality music as Simon Cowell, you have no idea how to produce, write, perform at Prince's level ... you know nothing about marketing music ...it just alot of hot air with nothing behind it, your points are becoming really thin.

Take a break from it, Prince just can't produce 80's records again for your benefit.

http://www.brandrepublic....promotion/

http://www.marketingweek....77.article

NouveauDance said:

It's interesting he isn't doing this in the USA. I'm guessing the deal with WB is to distribute 20TEN there?

Is this because the logistics of distributing to the whole country through one newspaper wouldn't be possible, or profitable?

The USA is too big for this type of uniformed deal, sorry..

I'm sure WB is doing something with Prince

Bart so cracks me up!. I think we're all very much agreed that P makes a tonne of cash from this deal and fair play to him on achieveing it. The quality of what is actually released though is always a matter of opinion- mine is alas that of a typical 80's fan i.e. it's not as good as it used to be! [but then again name me a major star whose music is?]. Bart made the point that P can't compete in the market place because his music sucks! [which is not far off the truth] BUT if a new P track was played in heavy rotation then perhaps he would score a hit. Someone else alas made the point about P still selling tix but worryingly this [as far as I know so far] ain't happening on this tour - has P's poor quality of music and piss poor attention to a project finally milked the live cash cow dry?.

As always I will wish P well in this venture and hope that the CD will be good , however I ahve learned to lower my expectations over the years!

U.K.'s Daily Mirror To Issue Prince Album
June 29, 2010 - Global

By Andre Paine, London

Following details of the Prince album release free with Rolling Stone Germany next month, the U.K. release of the "20Ten" album has now been confirmed.

Prince has signed up with tabloid newspaper the Daily Mirror and its associated Scottish title the Daily Record for a CD giveaway. More than 2.5 million copies will be distributed on July 10 with the newspapers.

The deal will also include Prince's first British newspaper interview in more than a decade and competitions for European concert tickets.

Prince’s 2007 album “Planet Earth” was given away with the Mail on Sunday newspaper – a deal that prompted his international label Columbia to halt any release in the U.K.

http://www.billboard.biz/...01076330d4

Prince making trouble...

funkyhead said:

Bart so cracks me up!. I think we're all very much agreed that P makes a tonne of cash from this deal and fair play to him on achieveing it. The quality of what is actually released though is always a matter of opinion- mine is alas that of a typical 80's fan i.e. it's not as good as it used to be! [but then again name me a major star whose music is?]. Bart made the point that P can't compete in the market place because his music sucks! [which is not far off the truth] BUT if a new P track was played in heavy rotation then perhaps he would score a hit. Someone else alas made the point about P still selling tix but worryingly this [as far as I know so far] ain't happening on this tour - has P's poor quality of music and piss poor attention to a project finally milked the live cash cow dry?.

As always I will wish P well in this venture and hope that the CD will be good , however I ahve learned to lower my expectations over the years!

Ok, All 80's Prince fans, have a look at the chart hit's since 1994/1995 - 2010 and tell me that they are better quality than Prince's stuff since that date...

Hit Me Baby One More Time.......

Bart wake up man, MJ (r.i.p) never had a hit since, god knows when? he died last year and he's still today outselling every artist alive, concert, dvd, and music wise!

Give it up, your points are wack!

Prince making headlines.....

http://www.metro.co.uk/mu...n-for-free

http://www.musicweek.com/...75&c=1

http://www.editorandpubli...1838-.aspx

http://consequenceofsound...per-again/

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Prince Releasing New Album Via German Edition Of Rolling Stone

It’s a busy news day for Prince, what with this cover of “Let’s Go Crazy” by Janelle Monae surfacing, and information about his new album becoming clear. Prince’s battles with the music industry are well known, but he has come up with a way of releasing 20Ten that is bizarre even by his standards.

The July 22 edition of the German incarnation of Rolling Stone will be packaged with copies of 20Ten, and as far as anyone is aware, that’s the only news about how it’s going to be released. No download or retail copy is planned just yet, although surely conventional formats will follow at some point.

Naturally, intrepid German readers of the magazine are likely to leak 20Ten online within a millisecond of Rolling Stone going on sale—and this isn’t the first time Prince has acted this way. His album Planet Earth was issued for free with a British tabloid newspaper in 2007, and remain unavailable in the U.K. on any other format.

Rolling Stone will contain an interview with Prince, and hopefully someone thought to ask him exactly why he’s releasing his music this way, because this all seems pointless in an era where barriers between countries and restrictions placed on physical formats don’t mean anything any more.

http://www.prefixmag.com/...f-r/41829/

Mayte319 said:

http://www.brandrepublic....promotion/

http://www.marketingweek....77.article

so full of sour p*ss

just enjoy his music output for what it was back then and what it is today - if you don't like some or all, then fair enough, such is life but why bother telling us

go somewhere else, where you do like the music of the artist and stop boring us rigid with your bile

BartVanHemelen said:

Dreamer2 said:

What would Prince be without WB? Or without a competent management team?

How many Albums has Prince created and you still don't get the message, everything goes back down to the creator!

Except when it doesn't. But then hypocrisy is a feature, not a bug.

It's very simple: because Prince's music can't compete in the marketplace (because it sucks, and Prince knows it sucks, because he patently doesn't promote it), he instead focuses on deals that secure a big pay-out for him, regardless of quality. WB et al expect him to a) deliver a quality record and b) actively promote it.

But these "free with newspaper"-deals don't expect that, and we're all winners. Well, except the fans who have to pay money towards crappy newspapers, collectors who might need to buy dozens of versions because each release is slightly different, and all fans because this album will be another pile of mediocre mush.

Remember when Prince released worthwhile records? When he toured those? When he released singles from them? When his management and record company "forced" him to deliver quality product and follow up on it? Man, those were bad times, right?

You'd think that someone who pretentiously called himself "The Artist" would have some professional pride. But instead, all he cares about is what's in his bank account at the end of the day. Artistic legacy? Pfffrt, who needs that when you can collect a couple of million by handing sub-par crap to a dying industry desperately searching for "innovative" ways of making people buy their obsolete product.

Dreamer2 said:

Prince making headlines.....

http://www.metro.co.uk/mu...n-for-free

http://www.musicweek.com/...75&c=1

http://www.editorandpubli...1838-.aspx

http://consequenceofsound...per-again/

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[Edited 6/29/10 6:52am]

[Edited 6/29/10 6:56am]

I see this last link namechecked Dr. Funkenberry's site.

http://consequenceofsound...per-again/

On July 10th, Prince will once again make news — yes, he’s done this thing once before — by releasing his upcoming album 20ten through the Belgium newspaper Het Nieuwsblad. According to Dr.Funkenberry.com other international newspaper distribution deals may follow. Billboard reports the August edition of Germany’s Rolling Stone, available June 22nd, will include the release as well. But, according to the reports, the 10-track album will not have a regular release at retail or via download in these countries. Prince’s record label, Warner Bros., will distribute the CD in all locations where a newspaper release is not expected, like the US. Prince and Warner Bros. also reportedly discussed alternative releases. Maybe a live Prince DVD release lies in the future?

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robinhood said:

Dreamer2 said:

Kiran Sharma, Prince's representative and producer of his live shows, said: "The Most Beautiful Girl In The World in 1995 was Prince's first number one selling single as a completely free artist.

"Fifteen years on, Prince is demonstrating that in 2010 it is still
possible for artists to work in an independent and innovative capacity,
highlighted here in a world first of delivering the new album across
multiple territories, through complementary distribution channels.

um no, its not possible for 'artists' to release this way, its only possible for Prince, because he's Prince, or for Elton John, because he's Elton John, or for ALREADY WELL-KNOWN ARTISTS across the board, but new artists? no.

this may be an exercise in innovation, but its not relevant to 'artists' unless they are well-known.

imo, newspaper give-aways cheapen Prince and his music. dont know bout you all, but newspaper is what some folk use to clean up vomit, then chuck it in the trash.

the whole concept is inconsistent with anything even remotely musical and even though it's innovative, its not necessarily smart.

sorry people's i just get irked by 'representatives' who talk in a manner which shows they have no real connection to the true value of Prince's work, but hey, if they wanna throw it out there with raped rainforests and call it a brilliant idea they can be my guest lol

robinhood said:

Dreamer2 said:

it's the same thing as going into wal-mart/asda and buying a CD in the store, or selling the CD's out the back of your car.

Prince is just showing artist that you don't have to be chained like a slave to a record company, you can live and do what you want outside of the industry, he's breaking down doors and changing the game

Record companies are slowy changing because of his actions artist are getting more rights, more freedom.

i suspect he will soon be giving his music away for free on the internet to show artists exactly how much freedom they really have, if indeed that is his primary concern ?

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Dreamer2 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

The problem with you ramberlings is that they just blow up in your face everytime, Prince is still selling music, selling out tours, and releasing new music.

The euro-gigs are selling far from OK.

His record company did not want him to release KISS, etc... i'm not gonna go into how many records they did not think was "hit" or "worthwhile" .... you know your Prince history?

So? Plenty of times they were smarter than him.

A bit more info on Kiran Sharma of KIKIT, Prince’s representative. http://www.kikitentertainment.com/

Kiran Sharma also worked as part of MPL for ARK / Prince & Valentino / Annie Lennox. http://www.moneypennyliai...ntact.html

They have a hell of a lot of their "friends & contacts"listed who are prince related.

She was also nominated for Lloyds Tsb Jewel Awards http://www.prlog.org/1040...wards.html

She kind of reminds me of Mani